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Mrs. Teddy
August 26th, 2010, 8:59 PM
RADIO HILL RACEWAY
1219 SHANNON CORNERS RD.
DUNDEE, NY 14837
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=...C%20NY%2014837 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=...C%20NY%2014837)


The Fall series at Radio Hill will begin Saturday September 11th, 2010
Doors usually open at appx 4:00 P.M. with racing starting at 6:00 P.M.

Hope to see a good crowd there to open up the season.

Racing will be every Saturday night from that week on until sometime in May 2011.

pancartom
August 26th, 2010, 9:49 PM
can't wait to get back to the hill... :thumbsup:

rspilman
August 26th, 2010, 10:00 PM
:thumbsup: Like :D

scott victory
August 27th, 2010, 10:27 AM
awsome, can't wait. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

teddy
August 31st, 2010, 8:47 PM
awsome, can't wait. :thumbsup::thumbsup:


See you there

fstrnu
September 1st, 2010, 8:47 PM
I can't wait :thumbsup:
who is moving to BB this year?

mike1976
September 1st, 2010, 9:16 PM
I can't wait :thumbsup:
who is moving to BB this year?I won't, lol somebody has to give Umm Umm Paul a run for his money! :D

markny
September 1st, 2010, 9:31 PM
dont laugh to hard or someone have a heart-a- tack. but are there rules at rhr ? if so can you post . thanks

Wing01
September 1st, 2010, 9:50 PM
Classes are usually mini LM, 17.5 sportsman, smallblock, and bigblock edm, 17.5 and 13.5 latemodel, 13.5 sprints, and trucks. You have to run foam tires. You shouldn't have any problem finding a class Mark. Hope to see you up there.

Mitch

rspilman
September 2nd, 2010, 12:31 AM
I can't wait :thumbsup:
who is moving to BB this year?

You! :ha:

rawlmaddog
September 2nd, 2010, 1:15 AM
Hey,Ross
Do you have you Keystone done?

fstrnu
September 2nd, 2010, 9:00 PM
You! :ha:
now that would be funny, a rolling speedbump

rawlmaddog
September 3rd, 2010, 10:55 AM
I can't wait :thumbsup:
who is moving to BB this year? What should it be based on?Straight away speed,Age,how many cars&trucks you have,how much you over charge your batteries,how you stand at the drivers stand or who you have beaten on the track.:beer::revs::tire::trophy:;)

DeadLast
September 3rd, 2010, 1:03 PM
What should it be based on?Straight away speed,Age,how many cars&trucks you have,how much you over charge your batteries,how you stand at the drivers stand or who you have beaten on the track.:beer::revs::tire::trophy:;)
NO, if you use those criteria, then I would have to run BB, I am not up to that challenge.

shoemaker
September 3rd, 2010, 1:47 PM
rawlmaddog is qualified for B.B. but run S.B. because he can win. I guess thats OK. Any one can sign up for any class. But rules do change. I dont think they can force anyone up in class. But rules do change. OLD age keeps some of us down. We cant keep up with the technology. But we all love the hobby. So lets Race.

pancartom
September 3rd, 2010, 7:04 PM
the fact of the matter is that there haven't been enough cars to fill a BB heat on a weekly basis...

rspilman
September 3rd, 2010, 7:20 PM
Hey,Ross
Do you have you Keystone done?


I do, hope to see you guys there!

Hotrodracer
September 6th, 2010, 8:52 PM
ill be there with my 17.5 sportsman and my truck, yes im trucking it

Richie95
September 6th, 2010, 9:13 PM
rawlmaddog is qualified for B.B. but run S.B. because he can win. I guess thats OK. Any one can sign up for any class. But rules do change. I dont think they can force anyone up in class. But rules do change. OLD age keeps some of us down. We cant keep up with the technology. But we all love the hobby. So lets Race.


Bruce bounces back and forth in classes. I've seen Bruce run SB, win, tear up his equipment bc it was just "one of those nights" in the SB class. I've also seen Bruce run BB, finish last and have a good time on the track and have fun running with everyone. Its all personal preferance. I've run with Bruce at Redneck in the SB class, we've gone wheel to wheel for many laps and walked away smiling and laughing, not caring who beat who.

Mr. T-4T
September 6th, 2010, 9:30 PM
How about an exclusively 17.5 smallblock no cheat or timing advance on controller class with teching for voltage? open to anyone who can do a minimum # of laps to keep it small block or better as far as ability is concerned, if you want to race in the class you have to meet the motor, timming and ability requierments, this would allow for racing in 2 classes with the same car just by changing to the cheat mode for a regular cheat small block or big block class.

Richie95
September 6th, 2010, 9:42 PM
How about an exclusively 17.5 smallblock no cheat or timing advance on controller class with teching for voltage? open to anyone who can do a minimum # of laps to keep it small block or better as far as ability is concerned, if you want to race in the class you have to meet the motor, timming and ability requierments, this would allow for racing in 2 classes with the same car just by changing to the cheat mode for a regular cheat small block or big block class.


Mr Todd.
That would be a good idea for the Sportsman class! Except if you run SB you cant run Sportman.

I think that if you dont "like" the speeds of today and you plan on running The Hill, run SB. That class used to be a good class, it needs some more cars.

rspilman
September 6th, 2010, 10:03 PM
I like Mr. Todd's idea. I know this debate is going on and on, but somebody has to grab the Bull by the horns and start enforcing this type of racing. sportsman, for the newbies, a spec class with motor/batt./esc limits, for the regulars, and then Outlaw 17.5's (mod, open, whatever you want to call it), and BB for the "experts" . with a simple push of the "mode" button it can go from mild to wild!! :revs:

ten7
September 6th, 2010, 10:27 PM
:checkeredflag:I am looking forward to coming to the hill also, never ran the track before and I have only heard good things! Probably wont make every weekend but will try as often as I can. :thumbsup::greenflag:

Mr. T-4T
September 6th, 2010, 11:07 PM
Mr Todd.
That would be a good idea for the Sportsman class! Except if you run SB you cant run Sportman.

I think that if you dont "like" the speeds of today and you plan on running The Hill, run SB. That class used to be a good class, it needs some more cars. Richie: what most people don't think about is that when you take a 17.5 and add the timing and boost from the speed controller you now have a 13.5 in the car with a less than smooth power on if the ranges are set wrong, so we now have a small block class running 13.5s on a track that most big block drivers would have a hard time running 13.5s on with any control. Sportsman should not be running any timming or boost advance. It's not a matter of whether we like the speeds of today or yesterday, it's whether we know when we are in over our heads and a lot of us don't seem to know, if you can't run consistant laps, are all over the place, running over people and constantly wrecking it may be a to fast for ability problems, so a slower stock class may help us step back and find a nitch or get us prepared for the next step, which is up I hope, but in the mean time 17.5 cheat is not the same as 27t stock with Nimh, oh no, now the Batteries, any are fine with me.

RCRACR20
September 6th, 2010, 11:10 PM
Any one have a 21.5 to test? Could solve some problems also. With as fast as the Tekin "spec" mode is (supposedly, have not seen it in use yet), running 21.5's would bring things back to the old 17.5 speed. Might be a good balance for the non expert classes.

JimmyD
September 6th, 2010, 11:17 PM
Cody and I will be there when his football schedule allows.... Right now it is tough... I will continue to run BB with you guys... I have an RS now and a hotrod motor ;) and hopefully with the continued help from the Bob and Tom show and whoever else has some quality input, I will improve on my personal best... We cant be there Sat. but hopefully the next week...

TorqueWrench
September 6th, 2010, 11:29 PM
:checkeredflag:I am looking forward to coming to the hill also, never ran the track before and I have only heard good things! Probably wont make every weekend but will try as often as I can. :thumbsup::greenflag:

The track is only 15-20 minutes from the party maybe we can slip out the back door.

inman20k
September 6th, 2010, 11:30 PM
I do not get down to the hill to much but I think voltage tech would be nice.

sportsman 21.5 spec mode
SB 17.5 spec mode
BB 17.5 open ESC
????????????

Geo5994
September 6th, 2010, 11:45 PM
I do not get down to the hill to much but I think voltage tech would be nice.

sportsman 21.5 spec mode
SB 17.5 spec mode
BB 17.5 open ESC
????????????



people only want it like this because they dont want to spend the money on the good stuff when i first started brushless stuff just came out i never ran brushed stuff my first speed controll was a tekin rs that was a little off subject the sportsman class is for learners but let them learn with whats new if they learn with a 21.5 then bump up to the 17.5 they still will be all over the place i like it the way it is show up with a tekin rs or a mamba a lipo and a 17.5 and race what ever class you want remember we racing for fun not $ i ran 57 to 58 laps pretty consistant last year in sportsman when the big block guys were running 60 61 laps but iam still not ready to bump so iam staying in sportsman:D

Mr. T-4T
September 7th, 2010, 12:21 AM
people only want it like this because they dont want to spend the money on the good stuff when i first started brushless stuff just came out i never ran brushed stuff my first speed controll was a tekin rs that was a little off subject the sportsman class is for learners but let them learn with whats new if they learn with a 21.5 then bump up to the 17.5 they still will be all over the place i like it the way it is show up with a tekin rs or a mamba a lipo and a 17.5 and race what ever class you want remember we racing for fun not $ i ran 57 to 58 laps pretty consistant last year in sportsman when the big block guys were running 60 61 laps but iam still not ready to bump so iam staying in sportsman:DWell congradulations Geo5994 for your wonderful performance at RHR but I really don't think you are in tune with what is being said here, money is of no concern but the fun is, you say you are doing almost BB laps, well move up because if you can do BB laps running with Sportsman you have an immense amount of car control and ability, when you move to Big Block you won't need half that ability because of the better class of racers you will be racing with but in the mean time some who have been around, not making them more qualified, feel some sort of class adjustment should be made.

Geo5994
September 7th, 2010, 1:00 AM
Well congradulations Geo5994 for your wonderful performance at RHR but I really don't think you are in tune with what is being said here, money is of no concern but the fun is, you say you are doing almost BB laps, well move up because if you can do BB laps running with Sportsman you have an immense amount of car control and ability, when you move to Big Block you won't need half that ability because of the better class of racers you will be racing with but in the mean time some who have been around, not making them more qualified, feel some sort of class adjustment should be made.



there is no way i will run bb iam not ready yet i still have a lot to learn i was just giveing my thoughts on this subject i dont think they should change anything at the hill anyone that comes should run what ever class they want with no speed controll rules :thumbsup::D

rawlmaddog
September 7th, 2010, 2:14 AM
How about an exclusively 17.5 smallblock no cheat or timing advance on controller class with teching for voltage? open to anyone who can do a minimum # of laps to keep it small block or better as far as ability is concerned, if you want to race in the class you have to meet the motor, timming and ability requierments, this would allow for racing in 2 classes with the same car just by changing to the cheat mode for a regular cheat small block or big block class.
Spec class has my vote :thumbsup:Speed is over rated good competive racing is whats fun.If everyone has a chance at winning thats what brings racers back every week.If one or two guys are the only ones winning because the others cant handle that much speed there not going to want to race.And there for why bother going if you cant compete.Its always more fun to run close with the competition.A track that has different winners every week will always draw a better crowd.And if one guys is aways struggling with his car you better help him because he wont put up with it verry long before he quits.And i know its not much fun racing alone.If all we care about is how fast we run down the straight away maybe we should be Drag raceing not oval racing.

JimmyD
September 7th, 2010, 3:38 AM
Actually, most of the time the BB guys were turning 63-65 laps last year, with the new ESC's. It was me that was only turning 60-61 laps, and that was with an old GTB esc... :o

pancartom
September 7th, 2010, 7:47 AM
seems to me that the easy answer is to run one SB class that has the "spec" software and 17.5 motor, and the outlaw SB that has the open software and 17.5 software. The problem is if there are only 2 or 3 guys that want to run outlaw every week, then I'd expect that everyone would opt for the "spec" software class because there are more cars in it. Would we have the same guys winning in that class? Don't know for sure, but I have an idea that they might. Also, I for one have no interest in running 13.5 BB at the hill. Way too fast for these old eyes...

Oval-Man
September 7th, 2010, 9:12 AM
seems to me that the easy answer is to run one SB class that has the "spec" software and 17.5 motor, and the outlaw SB that has the open software and 17.5 software. The problem is if there are only 2 or 3 guys that want to run outlaw every week, then I'd expect that everyone would opt for the "spec" software class because there are more cars in it. Would we have the same guys winning in that class? Don't know for sure, but I have an idea that they might. Also, I for one have no interest in running 13.5 BB at the hill. Way too fast for these old eyes...Tom we need to talk.LOL

shoemaker
September 7th, 2010, 1:24 PM
Is this class for beginners only? I think most drivers entered in this class are more than beginners. But some of old timers with less that the top equipment would like to run a little slower and with a lot of cars on a slower pace this could be a nice class. I would like to run the 21.5 class with a old GTB ESC. Who can enter this class?

scott victory
September 7th, 2010, 1:41 PM
I am planing on bumping up to BB this season

Why not try
Sportsman....21.5
Small Block...17.5
Big Block.......13.5

and i would like to volinteer to help tech

Mr. T-4T
September 7th, 2010, 3:00 PM
I am planing on bumping up to BB this season

Why not try
Sportsman....21.5
Small Block...17.5
Big Block.......13.5

and i would like to volinteer to help techSportsman 21.5 is another motor to buy, just run no cheat or timining advance in speedcontrollers with a 17.5, lable it small block with a minimum # of laps to be eligible, a Big Block 17.5 with a minimum lap requierment, if you wanted to race no cheat and big block just add or remove cheat.

JimmyD
September 7th, 2010, 3:28 PM
Thing is alot of the BB guys turn as many and sometimes even more laps with a 17.5 than a 13.5 at the Hill...... I think Mr. Todd is onto something...Sportsman & SB = no cheat turned on and BB = turn it on, turn it on... We all still use the 17.5 motors which we all have already.

Mrs. Teddy
September 7th, 2010, 5:42 PM
I hope people go to the Hill to have a good time. It is great that Bill has the track for everybody to race at. So lets go racing.

Track Open Saturday September 11, 2010 racing starts at 6:00 P.M

rspilman
September 7th, 2010, 6:01 PM
we should have a driver's meeting when we all get there, and talk to Bill, and agree upon what should be done. b/c there might be people that don't read this thread that race there.

this weekend I am running DODC 17.5 Latemodel (tech?) :thumbsup:
and when I get another car I will run 17.5 outlaw EDM. which reminds me, anyone have a CW SE they wanna sell??

Ross

:greenflag::whiteflag::checkeredflag:

brb81
September 7th, 2010, 6:08 PM
seems to me that the easy answer is to run one SB class that has the "spec" software and 17.5 motor, and the outlaw SB that has the open software and 17.5 software. The problem is if there are only 2 or 3 guys that want to run outlaw every week, then I'd expect that everyone would opt for the "spec" software class because there are more cars in it. Would we have the same guys winning in that class? Don't know for sure, but I have an idea that they might. Also, I for one have no interest in running 13.5 BB at the hill. Way too fast for these old eyes...

Thing is alot of the BB guys turn as many and sometimes even more laps with a 17.5 than a 13.5 at the Hill...... I think Mr. Todd is onto something...Sportsman & SB = no cheat turned on and BB = turn it on, turn it on... We all still use the 17.5 motors which we all have already.

I hope people go to the Hill to have a good time. It is great that Bill has the track for everybody to race at. So lets go racing.

Track Open Saturday September 11, 2010 racing starts at 6:00 P.M

I have to agree with Tom,Jimmy and Mrs.Teddy. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: to Bill

fstrnu
September 7th, 2010, 6:26 PM
not sure if i am going to make it with the football schedule. I look forward to racing with you all soon

rawlmaddog
September 8th, 2010, 3:20 AM
What motor are you guys running in the OutLaw sprint Class?Or What rules are you running under?:checkeredflag:

pancartom
September 8th, 2010, 6:31 AM
What motor are you guys running in the OutLaw sprint Class?Or What rules are you running under?:checkeredflag:

I'd like to know too...

cnyrcer
September 8th, 2010, 7:53 AM
What motor are you guys running in the OutLaw sprint Class?Or What rules are you running under?:checkeredflag:

we ran DODC rules....(13.5 motors)..but that might change with a couple new cars.. probably be 1-2 now that will want to start a 17.5 spec sportsman sprint class..:rolleyes:..

scott victory
September 8th, 2010, 8:38 AM
Sportsman 21.5 is another motor to buy, just run no cheat or timining advance in speedcontrollers with a 17.5, lable it small block with a minimum # of laps to be eligible, a Big Block 17.5 with a minimum lap requierment, if you wanted to race no cheat and big block just add or remove cheat.


:thumbsup::thumbsup:

pancartom
September 8th, 2010, 9:14 AM
probably be 1-2 now that will want to start a 17.5 spec sportsman sprint class..:rolleyes:..
not me, I want to run with the big dogs...

sarbubzim1127
September 8th, 2010, 9:57 AM
Spec class has my vote :thumbsup:Speed is over rated good competive racing is whats fun.If everyone has a chance at winning thats what brings racers back every week.If one or two guys are the only ones winning because the others cant handle that much speed there not going to want to race.And there for why bother going if you cant compete.Its always more fun to run close with the competition.A track that has different winners every week will always draw a better crowd.And if one guys is aways struggling with his car you better help him because he wont put up with it verry long before he quits.And i know its not much fun racing alone.If all we care about is how fast we run down the straight away maybe we should be Drag raceing not oval racing.


I agree

Wing01
September 8th, 2010, 11:00 AM
What motor are you guys running in the OutLaw sprint Class?Or What rules are you running under?:checkeredflag:

Bruce - all last year they ran 13.5 in the sprints. I hope it stays that way.

We also ran a 13.5 and a 17.5 late model class. There was such a difference in speed with the class we split it up and it made the racing better for everyone. I think the guys just trying out LM for the first time had a better experience not getting lapped 5 or 6 times.

As for the edms I hope the small block and sportsman class can be slowed down some. It was a wreck fest last year once everyone started getting the mambas and tekins. I vote for a no timing advance allowed in those 2 classes and get guys to focus mainly on setup and driving.

Mitch

MDM Graphics
September 8th, 2010, 11:51 AM
we ran DODC rules....(13.5 motors)..but that might change with a couple new cars.. probably be 1-2 now that will want to start a 17.5 spec sportsman sprint class..:rolleyes:..

Who's this guy?????:D

Bruce - all last year they ran 13.5 in the sprints. I hope it stays that way.

We also ran a 13.5 and a 17.5 late model class. There was such a difference in speed with the class we split it up and it made the racing better for everyone. I think the guys just trying out LM for the first time had a better experience not getting lapped 5 or 6 times.

As for the edms I hope the small block and sportsman class can be slowed down some. It was a wreck fest last year once everyone started getting the mambas and tekins. I vote for a no timing advance allowed in those 2 classes and get guys to focus mainly on setup and driving.

Mitch

We did run 13.5 in sprint, but it wasn't straight DODC. I'm pretty sure it was open 13.5 and whatever battery limitations were there for everyone. I agree that EDM should be separated. Sportsman and SB should be no cheat/spec and BB should be either 17.5 open ESCs or even 13.5 and gear to your ability. There has to be a difference between the lower classes and BB. I also think there should be an approved drivers list for BB so we don't have just anybody signing up for the higher speeds.

rawlmaddog
September 8th, 2010, 12:37 PM
Who's this guy?????:D



We did run 13.5 in sprint, but it wasn't straight DODC. I'm pretty sure it was open 13.5 and whatever battery limitations were there for everyone. I agree that EDM should be separated. Sportsman and SB should be no cheat/spec and BB should be either 17.5 open ESCs or even 13.5 and gear to your ability. There has to be a difference between the lower classes and BB. I also think there should be an approved drivers list for BB so we don't have just anybody signing up for the higher speeds.
:thumbsup:List:checkeredflag::trophy:

MDM Graphics
September 8th, 2010, 2:36 PM
Not so much a banned list for the slower classes because I don't think many of the BB drivers want to go slower (other than TA and his old eyes, lol). Don't know how or who would determine it, but I think it's something everyone should think about.

mike1976
September 8th, 2010, 4:47 PM
Ok, so "spec mode" was mentioned on slowing the cars down, wich means you have to use the new 208 software in your'e Tekin. Not a bad idea, however unless iv'e mis-read things, certain sanctioning bodies dont allow 208 currently(obviously for weekly racing this wouldnt be an issue). Also had if heard or read correctly, when you upgrade youre ESC to the 208 you can no longer go back to the older legal 200 or 203(wdra, mr. dirt) wich would render you illlegal. Somebody wanna clear that up? Or am i the only one confused here? :confused:

kartracer2
September 8th, 2010, 5:01 PM
Ok, so "spec mode" was mentioned on slowing the cars down, wich means you have to use the new 208 software in your'e Tekin. Not a bad idea, however unless iv'e mis-read things, certain sanctioning bodies dont allow 208 currently(obviously for weekly racing this wouldnt be an issue). Also had if heard or read correctly, when you upgrade youre ESC to the 208 you can no longer go back to the older legal 200 or 203(wdra, mr. dirt) wich would render you illlegal. Somebody wanna clear that up? Or am i the only one confused here? :confused:

You're the only one confused.. :D

mike1976
September 8th, 2010, 5:25 PM
You're the only one confused.. :DI'm confused? Wonder why after seeing this.... lol

Wing01
September 8th, 2010, 5:28 PM
Ok, so "spec mode" was mentioned on slowing the cars down, wich means you have to use the new 208 software in your'e Tekin. Not a bad idea, however unless iv'e mis-read things, certain sanctioning bodies dont allow 208 currently(obviously for weekly racing this wouldnt be an issue). Also had if heard or read correctly, when you upgrade youre ESC to the 208 you can no longer go back to the older legal 200 or 203(wdra, mr. dirt) wich would render you illlegal. Somebody wanna clear that up? Or am i the only one confused here? :confused:

Mike - couldn't you just put the timing at 0 in the speed control and not switch to 208 for RHR small block or sportsman? Just a thought. I don't run a Tekin, maybe someone that does knows a way to go back to 200 or 203. I seem to remember Baker or Anderson doing that one night, I may be wrong but they might know.

Mitch

kartracer2
September 8th, 2010, 5:33 PM
Mike - couldn't you just put the timing at 0 in the speed control and not switch to 208 for RHR small block or sportsman? Just a thought. I don't run a Tekin, maybe someone that does knows a way to go back to 200 or 203. I seem to remember Baker or Anderson doing that one night, I may be wrong but they might know.

Mitch

Randy Pike explained one way you could do it on hobbytalk.

Here is Randy's post...

Both versions should you want to have them loaded on the same PC can be done. You simply need to install one version, rename the main directory file to say "Tekinhotwire203" then install the 208 software. You will have to icons on your desktop, the one that was renamed MUST have a new shortcut made for it to work.

It's not "hard" by any means but you need to be computer literate to do this.

I will say again though that if you manage to use the wrong hotwire you can render the unit inop.

mike1976
September 8th, 2010, 5:34 PM
Mike - couldn't you just put the timing at 0 in the speed control and not switch to 208 for RHR small block or sportsman? Just a thought. I don't run a Tekin, maybe someone that does knows a way to go back to 200 or 203. I seem to remember Baker or Anderson doing that one night, I may be wrong but they might know.

MitchGood point Mitch, i'll PM them. I just figured with the above posts about running 208 in Spec mode for Smallblock, that taking all timing out wasnt gonna be an option. lol, just another reason i ALLMOST miss the old brushed days.... ways less confusing! :D

fstrnu
September 8th, 2010, 6:50 PM
I would like to race with rules like these. Who is going to tech this EVERY week?
are we going to have a minimum # of wins before you bump up too? If you spin out more than twice in a race do you get training wheels? 13.5 open sprint,13.5 DODC LM, 17.5 esc restricted LM, sportsman 17.5 esc restricted with a gear rule. I'm still not sure about smallblock. I'm willing to try it IF it is teched.

MDM Graphics
September 8th, 2010, 7:04 PM
Mike,

I wouldn't worry about it too much. I don't think the 208 software is going to be illegal at Radio Hill or any other weekly race. I think the WDRA was the only sanctioning body that put a limit on the software. The last WDRA race is Sunday, so you will be okay where ever you go the rest of the year.

If you stick with the 203 I think the 0 timing would work, but we won't know until we test. This just brings the LRPs and GTBs and other ESCs back into play at the sportsman and small block level.

In the end it's up to Bill, which means probably the majority will rule, so I wouldn't go making changes because a few of us are throwing around ideas. We'll all find out Saturday what's going on.

MDM Graphics
September 8th, 2010, 7:09 PM
I would like to race with rules like these. Who is going to tech this EVERY week?
are we going to have a minimum # of wins before you bump up too? If you spin out more than twice in a race do you get training wheels? 13.5 open sprint,13.5 DODC LM, 17.5 esc restricted LM, sportsman 17.5 esc restricted with a gear rule. I'm still not sure about smallblock. I'm willing to try it IF it is teched.


I am willing to tech when I'm there and I know Scott Victory said he would too. If it takes some of the guessing out for some of the less experienced then I'm all for it. Anything to help keep/increase the numbers.

mike1976
September 8th, 2010, 11:11 PM
Mike,

I wouldn't worry about it too much. I don't think the 208 software is going to be illegal at Radio Hill or any other weekly race. I think the WDRA was the only sanctioning body that put a limit on the software. The last WDRA race is Sunday, so you will be okay where ever you go the rest of the year.

If you stick with the 203 I think the 0 timing would work, but we won't know until we test. This just brings the LRPs and GTBs and other ESCs back into play at the sportsman and small block level.

In the end it's up to Bill, which means probably the majority will rule, so I wouldn't go making changes because a few of us are throwing around ideas. We'll all find out Saturday what's going on.

Mitch, if i dont make it please be sure and have somebody post whats ironed out in the drivers meeting. I got called about a job interview Sat, no idea how long that'll take.

As far as doing the 208 or 0 timing with the older software i'm all for it. That'd also save people money in the long run as well. :thumbsup:

JimmyD
September 9th, 2010, 12:29 PM
Yes Mr. Wing please let us know what is discussed and if there is any changes, as I will NOT be in attendance opening night... I am definately running BB with an RS esc... Cody will run SB with a Novak esc...

rawlmaddog
September 9th, 2010, 1:03 PM
Not so much a banned list for the slower classes because I don't think many of the BB drivers want to go slower (other than TA and his old eyes, lol). Don't know how or who would determine it, but I think it's something everyone should think about.
They should meet the performance level or get nocked back.You know like have there car under cotrol at all times.Not driving around on the wall.Not bounceing off every car on the track.Oh yea and beable to turn enough laps to run within 3 laps of the feild.NO BUMPER CAR drivers .Have fun wheeling there car around the track BUT NOT AT THE EXSPENCE OF THE OTHER DRIVERS.Drive like adults not children!!!!!:rolleyes:

scott victory
September 9th, 2010, 1:13 PM
They should meet the performance level or get nocked back.You know like have there car under cotrol at all times.Not driving around on the wall.Not bounceing off every car on the track.Oh yea and beable to turn enough laps to run within 3 laps of the feild.NO BUMPER CAR drivers .Have fun wheeling there car around the track BUT NOT AT THE EXSPENCE OF THE OTHER DRIVERS.Drive like adults not children!!!!!:rolleyes:


:thumbsup:

JimmyD
September 9th, 2010, 1:18 PM
They should meet the performance level or get nocked back.You know like have there car under cotrol at all times.Not driving around on the wall.Not bounceing off every car on the track.Oh yea and beable to turn enough laps to run within 3 laps of the feild.NO BUMPER CAR drivers .Have fun wheeling there car around the track BUT NOT AT THE EXSPENCE OF THE OTHER DRIVERS.Drive like adults not children!!!!!:rolleyes:


Totally agree... :thumbsup:

The sportsman class is there for that reason, to get control of your car... But it seems when the esc's got ridiculously fast alot moved up because they turned alot of laps a couple of times. The big challenge is learning to drive in traffic IMO.

Wing01
September 9th, 2010, 3:14 PM
Totally agree... :thumbsup:

The sportsman class is there for that reason, to get control of your car... But it seems when the esc's got ridiculously fast alot moved up because they turned alot of laps a couple of times. The big challenge is learning to drive in traffic IMO.

Jimmy - I will try to let everyone know what is decided. These rules will have to be teched, but looks like we can get some volunteers. It will also be very obvious if someone is using timing when others aren't in a heat. What happens then will have to be decided by the track owner if that happens I guess. I personally don't have a car in the affected classes, but I will gladly help tech if that is what is needed.

Mitch

hotshoe8t
September 9th, 2010, 10:36 PM
what kinda rules you guys have for the truck classes there?

fstrnu
September 10th, 2010, 12:22 AM
17.5 brushless or 27 turn brushed, truck chassis and arms, foam tires and have alot of fun.

fstrnu
September 10th, 2010, 12:30 AM
alot of people have different mah packs now. what do we all want for a rule this year? 5400 50c , 28c open mah sound ok. I don't have an issue with the bigger mah batteries as long as they aren't over 30c. what do you guys think?

rawlmaddog
September 10th, 2010, 12:53 AM
Ihave'nt herd any mention of the Sliders.They were a big class at Steve's track this summer and a few other tracks i have been to.They should do well at the Hill.And they are good for all skill levels of driving.I dont think they should run with the OutLaw Sprints though.They ran them on foams at Steve's.Most used C.W. wheels on all four corners.I used truck wheels in the rear of my car.Just for a more scale look and no wheel spacers are needed.:checkeredflag::trophy:

matt_s86
September 10th, 2010, 2:11 AM
I dont think they should run with the OutLaw Sprints though.

I tried that once up there...it was brutal. Lol. We weighed the Losi car vs. a CW and it was like a pound over!

beckhim123456
September 10th, 2010, 2:47 AM
So what are the motor sizes for BB SM this year?

pancartom
September 10th, 2010, 6:51 AM
it looks like the preference is 17.5 in both, SB spec timing, and BB open timing.

JimmyD
September 10th, 2010, 8:24 AM
it looks like the preference is 17.5 in both, SB spec timing, and BB open timing.


:thumbsup::beer::thumbsup:

brb81
September 10th, 2010, 1:26 PM
Mike - couldn't you just put the timing at 0 in the speed control and not switch to 208 for RHR small block or sportsman? Just a thought. I don't run a Tekin, maybe someone that does knows a way to go back to 200 or 203. I seem to remember Baker or Anderson doing that one night, I may be wrong but they might know.

Mitch

Randy Pike explained one way you could do it on hobbytalk.

Here is Randy's post...

Both versions should you want to have them loaded on the same PC can be done. You simply need to install one version, rename the main directory file to say "Tekinhotwire203" then install the 208 software. You will have to icons on your desktop, the one that was renamed MUST have a new shortcut made for it to work.

It's not "hard" by any means but you need to be computer literate to do this

I will say again though that if you manage to use the wrong hotwire you can render the unit inop.



I do have both versions on my PC 203,208 works great, at bubs they run spec mode I just loaded 208 in spec and away you go,then go back and load 203 for other tracks.:revs::thumbsup:

rawlmaddog
September 11th, 2010, 9:32 AM
Who's this guy?????:D



We did run 13.5 in sprint, but it wasn't straight DODC. I'm pretty sure it was open 13.5 and whatever battery limitations were there for everyone. I agree that EDM should be separated. Sportsman and SB should be no cheat/spec and BB should be either 17.5 open ESCs or even 13.5 and gear to your ability. There has to be a difference between the lower classes and BB. I also think there should be an approved drivers list for BB so we don't have just anybody signing up for the higher speeds.
OutLaw sprint is what we were running for the WDRA.Which is any 13.5 motor and up to 5000 40C battery.Same as OutLaw EDM SM Block.:checkeredflag:

scott victory
September 11th, 2010, 10:10 AM
oh yeah, oh yeah, it's off to the hill we go :thumbsup:

rspilman
September 11th, 2010, 10:38 AM
WANTED

Capacitor for my Tekin,



Nevermind, Found One!!
Thanks Teddy!

DeadLast
September 11th, 2010, 12:09 PM
enough talking about the ESC garbage, just run the damn cars, I have a 17.5 EDM with a tekin, and I also have a novak, I just want to run and have FUN, just because you have the "cheater" esc, doesnt mean you can drive it, lol sometimes slow is fast.

fstrnu
September 11th, 2010, 1:19 PM
baker I need a set of silvers!
drivers meeting at 5?

Geo5994
September 11th, 2010, 3:33 PM
enough talking about the ESC garbage, just run the damn cars, I have a 17.5 EDM with a tekin, and I also have a novak, I just want to run and have FUN, just because you have the "cheater" esc, doesnt mean you can drive it, lol sometimes slow is fast.




yeehaw thats what iam talking about:thumbsup:

rawlmaddog
September 12th, 2010, 12:19 PM
I think i will run Sportsman next week.Some of them were just as fast as Big Block.

Geo5994
September 12th, 2010, 12:23 PM
I think i will run Sportsman next week.Some of them were just as fast as Big Block.



not even close lol you guys were running about 4 to 5 laps faster:D

DeadLast
September 12th, 2010, 1:16 PM
I think i will run Sportsman next week.Some of them were just as fast as Big Block.
you mean small block?

fstrnu
September 12th, 2010, 8:18 PM
i think i will run sportsman next week.some of them were just as fast as big block.


lol, i think you would bitch if you won the lottery! Hahaha

Geo5994
September 12th, 2010, 8:34 PM
lol, i think you would bitch if you won the lottery! Hahaha



lol lmao:D