INFO on 2011 CBJ

[SCOTTY 21B]

Greetings from Buttsville! ;)

Here's a little information for the 2011 Chili Bowl Junior:

Dates: Wednesday, January 12th through Friday, January 14th


We're happy to announce that we will have 2 tracks for this race:
Track #1 will be aprox. 160 ft of running line and will be FLAT! We will keep this track worked, smooth, and tacky.

Track #2 will be aprox. 230 ft of running line and will also be FLAT. This will be the 1/8 scale & 13.5 Mod Late Model track. It will be allowed to blue groove. As long as it doesn't get rough, we will not touch it and let it build as much rubber as possible, so the track will be consistent.

Classes:
DODC Nitro Sprint
DODC Mod Sprint
Electric Modified (EDM) (truck based)
Nitro Modified (EDM) (truck based)
13.5 Mod Late Model

We're going to have 3 classes of 1/8 scale:

Sportsman 1/8 Scale (URL rules)
Pro 1/8 Scale (URL rules)
Outlaw 1/8 Scale (rules to follow)
& possibly Electric 1/8 Scale, if there is enough interest

Entry fees:
$35 for the 1st class, $25 each additional


We'll start taking entries on November 1st. More info to follow. If you have any questions, contact Scott.

Thanks! Scott & Kristina

[IDRC]

I understand the two track deal, but I don't understand the 3 class 1/8 deal. One of the coolest things about the CB was racing 75+ guys in one class. Now with three classes you might have 40 in one and 15 or less in the others. That won't make very good racing as I see it, guess we will just have to wait and see.:thumbsdown:

Ralph

[Matt Murphy]

Agreed... the draw for me was racing against 75 8th scales, all on a limited chassis rules package... Biggest problem in RC....Splitting classes..... I probably wont bring an 8th scale next year to race against less guys.

[smitty]

I know of a lot of people that were not going to go to the race last year because of the rules package that it had, I think that the additional classes will appeal to more people, good move to try to get even more people at the 2011 CBJ.:thumbsup:

[IDRC]

Agreed... the draw for me was racing against 75 8th scales, all on a limited chassis rules package... Biggest problem in RC....Splitting classes..... I probably wont bring an 8th scale next year to race against less guys.

Same for me Matt, looks like I need to get some 1/10 sprint cars.

I liked the original 1/8 class better.

[Team GFRP]

I know of a lot of people that were not going to go to the race last year because of the rules package that it had, I think that the additional classes will appeal to more people, good move to try to get even more people at the 2011 CBJ.:thumbsup:


I agree here. I would think that having 2 classes like Big Bill's $$ race wouldn't be such a bad thing. I know that there is a few of us that are talking about coming out this year now that some of my buddies cars are going to be legal in one of the 1/8 scale classes.


As for the small track being flat....:thumbsdown::thumbsdown:

[tmr22]

I don't know why you have to have 3 classes of 8 scales. Have 2. URL and DLMRA open. Simple. How hard is that?

[SCOTTY 21B]

Sorry guys let me explain this a little better:

Sportsman will be for rookies and beginners, people who are just starting out in the class.

Pro class will be the same as the last race.

Outlaw class is for the guys who did nothing but complain about the rule package, and who didn't run the event because of it.

This is not to break up the class, it's to draw more people in.

Hope this clears thing up.

Thanks, Scott

[Team GFRP]

Outlaw class is for the guys who did nothing but complain about the rule package, and who didn't run the event because of it.

Thanks, Scott

LOL, Perfect explanation!!!:D:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[tmr22]

Outlaw class is for the guys who did nothing but complain about the rule package, and who didn't run the event because of it.

Scotty you could have explained that a little bit better than insulting people.

[jdbyrider03]

I don't know why you have to have 3 classes of 8 scales. Have 2. URL and DLMRA open. Simple. How hard is that?
im sure im missing it somewhere on here, but where can one find the rules to this open class dlmra?:confused:

[RamRacing]

I don't know why you have to have 3 classes of 8 scales. Have 2. URL and DLMRA open. Simple. How hard is that?

Well thinking back to the great big debates about rules for this class. I seem to remember a statement about why hold back inovation. With there being a open class now. I say lets just see what types of inovations are out there. Open class stands for what is says. OPEN run what you brung class. And we will see who has the big pockets and who can go the fastest. The only rule I think there should be is all cars have to run a street styles rubber tires, no pins.

Lets see what everyone has under there sleeves for trick Idea's. I would like to see the twin engine inovation in action.

Now this is NOT the rules. I am NOT the one who is deciding the rules. That is up to SCOTT. I am just giving my 2 cents on the issue. And what I would like to see.

[Allan Webster]

No, I'm with Malicot on this one, I think Scotty explained it perfectly.

I don't feel insulted.

See you guys next year. Can't wait to run my sprints. We'll see about the 8th scale. I think I'd rather get out of there earlier and be able to see more midget stuff and maybe my wife.

[dozer9]

Just got to remember you cant make everyone happy.....And the ones doing the complaining are usually the ones that dont show up. It has been a good show each year. Dont kill yourself trying to make one person happy.

[speed4less]

The problem I had last year was no one would tell me what the rules were. They where supposed to be the “URL”. The URL rules where supposedly stock 1/8 buggies or the Ofna DO Pro “Stock” and the Losi L8ight “Stock”. You could have a few upgrades that were based on durability. Well that is where the problem was. Example: Lightweight out drives where legal based on durability. I see them as a performance upgrade. Carbon fiber shock towers where legal based on the durability rule. I also see them as a performance upgrade. Aluminum Hingpin holders where legal based on the durability rule. I see those as a performance upgrade. This is where I had no idea what I could do or not do. The URL rules where so vague and contradicting it was hard to tell what you could do.

I personally was not going to come to a race 14hr away and not be legal or not be prepared to the best the rules would allow. Any comments I made where just trying to find out what the rules really were. The guy over the URL pm’d me and told me I was the kind of guy they didn’t want at there races! He said I was just looking for the gray areas and a way to cheat! I’m a racer that tries to be as well prepared as possible with in the rules to be as competitive as possible. Is that not what we do? Is this not what competitive racing is?

Bottom line is the way the rules state you must run a stock car and that is not the case. I have been in racing all my life and if you are going to go by the rules then you need to have a clear set of rules to go by. You can’t write 8 or 10 rules and expect the racers to know the intent of what they suppose to be. That is also what the URL told me “Our racers know the intent of our rules” When you write just a few rules and try to say if it don’t say you can do it then assume you can’t. The URL rules don’t say you can change the stock gear, clutch, springs and on and on. I don’t care what the rules are I’ll race by the rules; just tell me what they are!

I also don’t see why there is so much resistance to a purpose built 1/8 oval car? All the 1/10 classes are purpose built dirt oval cars. This should be a no issue. The cost of racing any class is not cheap! A purpose built 1/8 dirt oval car is no more expensive than a 1/10 purpose built dirt oval car. The great thing about a 1/8 car is it is ten times more durable. So in reality the 1/8 car is much cheaper. The guys that are just getting to dirt oval racing can get more track time and less time broke.

This was my whole purpose of creating the DLMRA!


I plan on making this race this year no matter what the rules are!

http://www.ottsspeedshop.com/dlmra-2010rules.html

Mike Ottinger

Flame away!

[IDRC]

Bad cop/Good cop.

Gotta luv it.

[Kristinasueb]

Gentlemen,

The entire purpose of having 3 classes of 1/8 scales is to give the racers more choices. Those who were unhappy with the 1/8 scale rule package (and let us know about it) can run the outlaw class, and basically run-what-they-brung. We are trying to include as many people as we can, so the race continues to grow every year. This seemed to be a simple solution to the complaints we received last year.

TMR22, we aren't trying to be insulting, we're just stating the truth. You, yourself, said that you wouldn't be attending the 2010 race because of the rule package. You said we were holding back innovation. Well, now there is a class you can innovate all you want. Shouldn't you be happy?

Speed4less, you said we weren't professional in our explanation of the outlaw class. Perhaps we should have said the the outlaw class is for those who weren't happy with the 1/8 scale rule package, and not been so blunt. Also, Scotty is sorry that he wasn't able to contact you last night. We were gone all day on a trip for our anniversary and didn't get back till late. The only reason he was on dirt oval at all was because a friend told him that there was some controversy going on. He plans to contact you tonight. Hope that is acceptable.

Our #1 goal is to put on an enjoyable race for as many people as possible. We don't make a dime from this event, we just hope to pay the bills. Having 3 classes of 1/8 scales is the best way to accomodate as many racers as we can. Rookies can run together and hone their skills, pros can enjoy some great racing, and outlaws can innovate their little hearts out. What is the problem with that?

We realize, though, that Dozer9 is correct, we can't make everyone happy. So with that in mind, we respectfully state that the decision is made. We will have 3 classes of 1/8 scale, and we hope that everyone will be able to choose the class that fits them best. And hopefully, we'll have enough outlaw 1/8 scales to make the class worth having.

Thank you, Kristina

[dozer9]

Geesh.............Here we are again a year later and we got the same couple of people from TN already complaining about what is going on...Do you have a chip on your shoulder about the way things are done here? Heck you guys dont even show up....So why complain....Do you get enjoyment out of it? You so called "innovators" are being included this year and you are still not happy. I think it needs to be said if you dont like it you can stay home just like you have every other year. The other "innovators" can show off their products!

[Matt Murphy]

Before this gets out of control.

Chili bowl is/was one of my favorite races of the year. Not many classes, but lots of racers. You made the rules, and people that wanted to race came and raced. Great Job.

I understand the want to make the race bigger and better, but more classes isnt the answer. That is one of the single most detrimental things in RC Racing. Too many classes. Keep your rules structure. The prestige of the CBJ alone should make people want to come race. I love the race myself.

Finger pointing does not need to happen guys. This isnt a Tennessee vs oklahoma discussion. Lets nip that before we get out of control.

Scotty, make your decision, and stick to your guns, and remember you cant make everyone happy.

Happy keyboard jockeying!

Matt Murphy

[tmr22]

I don't know why everyone is picking on me? I just said that you should have worded it a little more professional. That's fine with me. I wasn't complaining about the race and the rules. Someone asked why so many classes but I understand why you are running the sportsman class. That's fine also. See you guys in January.

[speed4less]

Dozer9,
I'm not complaining. I'm just stating the facts. I don't have a problem with the URL style of cars, I would just like to know the rules. The way they are written there is a lot of gray area. You guys seem to think I have a problem with the URL rules. I don't! If what you guys have on paper is the rules that is fine , I just don't want to be illegal when there is not a rule on paper that can say I am. When it can be someones opinion, I would be very upset to come that far and get kicked out. I have never been DQ'd and for sure don't want to at this race and get killed on here.LOL

Again I'm not here trying to be negative, but I am very competitive and do want to be clear on the rules!

One of the problems with these fourms we don't tend to go into enough depth and there is always the guy/guys who take everything in a negative way. The only way to make anything better is to have an open adult discussion. No one knows everything but they do know something. These boards can be productive if we work together.

To the open rules: Do you think a run what you brung is what we do? This is not going to get more guys to the race.JMO If you look at the past there hasn't been one or two from east of the Mississippi at this race. A run what you brung is not going to get them to go.



Scott,
I too don't make a dime on the DLMRA. All I have done is spend a lot of time and some money to try make a set of rules we all could go by. I have a website that has all the rules and I have worked hard to make them simple and gray free. My thoughts are if it don't say you can't do it then you can! This takes the guessing and opinion out for the tracks and tech. If and when someones beats the DLMRA system of rules we will fix it!

Anyway give me a call I'd like to talk to you about the open class and getting the guys from this side of the river out to this race.

If god willing I will be at this race. What classes I will run is still up in the air. I can say I would run the pro URL class before I'd run a, run what you brung class.

[BEACHNUTTZ]

Sorry guys let me explain this a little better:

Sportsman will be for rookies and beginners, people who are just starting out in the class.

Pro class will be the same as the last race.

Outlaw class is for the guys who did nothing but complain about the rule package, and who didn't run the event because of it.

This is not to break up the class, it's to draw more people in.

Hope this clears thing up.

Thanks, Scott

I have no input on 8th scale racing, never wheeled one, never will, but this class breakdown makes it crystal clear to me.

Beach

[racefan11a]

1/8th SCALE LATEMODELS

Chassis:
All 1/8th Ultimate Racing League Latemodels must be a production offroad buggy that has been converted for oval use by either the manufacturer or the racer. You must use the original chassis plate. No aftermarket chassis plates will be allowed and this includes but is not limited to the Losi Flex Chassis. No alterations to the original chassis plate will be allowed. The only components that can be changed are the shock towers, shocks and springs. You must use 1/8th scale shocks. No 1/10th scale touring car shocks will be allowed. You must use the stock control arms. No alterations of the control arms will be allowed. The wing mount can be removed and body mounts can be added. Components to change the front kick up or anti-dive and the rear toe and anti-squat are allowed. No other alterations to the chassis or component locations will be allowed, this includes shimming under the diff cases and bulk heads. Lipo receiver batteries are the only exception due to size and them not fitting in the OEM battery box. Lipo batteries must be mounted as close as possible to the original battery location and in a safe manner that prevents them from being damaged in a wreck or coming unplugged.
The only cars that are exempt from the buggy rule are the Ofna GTP, GTP II and DO Pro.

All buggy rules listed above apply to these cars with the following restrictions/additions.
The only changes to these cars that will be allowed will be springs, shocks, pivot ball suspension and products that will improve the durability of the car. Replacing the stock ring gears with hardened ring gears will be allowed. No other alterations to the chassis or component locations will be allowed


Here are the url rules, they are pretty clear to me. If you want to make it hard I'm sure you will be able to find a way to make it hard. All of the thigs that were said to be changed as far as shock towers, outdrives and the other things are not altering the car. In the last sentence you get the intemt of the rules, no alteration to the chassis or component location. He even covers shimming the gear boxes and bulk heads. If it is a replacement part like the toe blocks for the losi it is allowed. Replacement offset chassis's move the components so it will not be allowed. In the last paragraph it says that you can change springs, shocks, pivot ball suspentions, and products that will improve durability, it says and, not with products that will improve durability. Come on guys, lets not ruin the race before it even gets started.

[gr8pumpkin]

This all sounds great to me. Ill be there for sure. Just need to make one of them tracks 360 ft of run line and let them 1/4 scale sprints and 1/5th scale buggies rip it up!

[Glen52]

What is going on???????????? We all love the CHILIBOWL and just like last year, a bunch of crybabies trying to change rules to benefit them. If you can't follow rules that are in place, start your own class. It takes awawy from the enjoyment of racing with other people when all you read about are complaints. GROW UP. rUN THE CLASS YOU WANT TO, AND QUIT THE COMPLAINIG. We race to have fun. Last year I burnt my motor up before the mains, but I still had a blast. Let's not take away the enjoyment of racing by complaining and bickering. You all sound like a bunch 5 year olds. Quit complainig and let's have some fun at the 2011 CB. See you all in jan. Look out for I am not going to burn my motor up. " let's go racing boys" Let's get along and have some fun. Rules are for a reason, so noone can have a clear advatage. I also agree with the rules and classes.:(:(:(:):checkeredflag:

[speed4less]

The real crying starts when someone goes to a race and kicks ass! They cry about what the guy was running. They cry that he was doing something illegal. When in fact he was legal by the rules as they where written. I’m just trying to work out the rules before I go so they will not be a lot of crying when it’s over. Wooooo!

What is fun when it comes to competitive racing? Being competitive! If you think other wise you’re lying to yourself! Making friends is the best part of r/c racing but if you’re a competitor and you can’t be competitive you will not race long.

This will be a great race no matter what the rules are and I wouldn’t miss being a part of this year for nothing!:thumbsup:

Let the trash talking begin!

Damn this is going to get good, the race is still 6 months away!:D

[Kristinasueb]

Men are funny. :) See you all in January.

[shannonranger01]

Wow, I have been wanting to make down to the cbj since last year when I follwed it closely via the web. Finnaly got my car together and was makin plans for it at work, but now im unsure if i want to take the time. It seems to me that if your gonna race you should do it by the rules for that event, without all the bickering. I race to have fun with my friends and family, if people are already arguing over petty stuff whats it gonna be like on race day? Sounds like something i dont want anything to do with.

[racerjmh]

A purpose built 1/8 dirt oval car is no more expensive than a 1/10 purpose built dirt oval car.


I guess that depends on your veiwpoint. I cannot build even a URL l8m for what I have in purpose built 1/10 scale cars, any of them. Granted a CW outlaw or rocket is about $300 and a Losi L8m is about $360. But to finish a CW takes about $300 more and to finish a L8m takes about $600 more and that is for URL. And I race everybody elses used up stuff- LOL!

Jim

[racerjmh]

Wow, I have been wanting to make down to the cbj since last year when I follwed it closely via the web. Finnaly got my car together and was makin plans for it at work, but now im unsure if i want to take the time. It seems to me that if your gonna race you should do it by the rules for that event, without all the bickering. I race to have fun with my friends and family, if people are already arguing over petty stuff whats it gonna be like on race day? Sounds like something i dont want anything to do with.

Take it all with a grain of salt. when it comes down to it we'll all be there having fun and trying to beat each other on the track- just like you do at your home track. It's an awesome race. Come on down- you'll like it.

jim

[Hconcepts]

RUN-WHAT-YOU-BRUNG in Outlaw class.. Thats pretty stairt forward!! roll them threw the box and race boys and girls!!

I'm thinking about building me one!! show these east coast boys how it's done!!! "The Pink Turd" is out to get ya!!!! :blackorange2:

[Team GFRP]

You all are amazing... I'm still confused on where in this thread people were complaining about the rules. All I saw was a few that questioned the idea of running 3 1/8 scale classes.


Thanks for the laughs though... Keep up the great work of promoting 1/8 scale racing.:rolleyes:

[Team HHS]

RUN-WHAT-YOU-BRUNG in Outlaw class.. Thats pretty stairt forward!! roll them threw the box and race boys and girls!!

I'm thinking about building me one!! show these east coast boys how it's done!!! "The Pink Turd" is out to get ya!!!! :blackorange2:


What "box" are you referring to? If this is a true rwb event there better not be any box or scales or anything for that matter...


I would think this debate is somewhat pointless and useless about rules if they are going to let the track slick off and blue groove. We need not worry about offset chassis and touring car shocks, we better figure out how to keep the junk tires from burning up and blowing off the rims!!!!

[PainterX]

What "box" are you referring to? If this is a true rwb event there better not be any box or scales or anything for that matter...


I would think this debate is somewhat pointless and useless about rules if they are going to let the track slick off and blue groove. We need not worry about offset chassis and touring car shocks, we better figure out how to keep the junk tires from burning up and blowing off the rims!!!!


second that :thumbsup:

[racerjmh]

Everybody got teched multiple times. Everybody got to "roll thru the box" multiple times. RWYB still will hafta meet width and wheelbase rules I'm sure. Just looking forward to seeing everyone again along with some new racers. I'll just add this- there are more spectators at this rc race than you will probably see at any rc dirt oval race anywhere else.

Jim

[gr8pumpkin]

add quarter scale sprints! :d

[Hconcepts]

add quarter scale sprints! :d


Go to the real CB for that!! ;)

[cbutler]

hey scott here is the best way to settle the problem that you nhave been faced with run the 1/10 scale classses and forget about 1/8 scale completely and run 1/4 scale sprinters i havent seen any issues with classes or rules and we just got done running the nats in muskogee. havent seen latemodels ever run at the real chilibowl aLL SPRINTERS CHAD:checkeredflag:

[Team GFRP]

hey scott here is the best way to settle the problem that you nhave been faced with run the 1/10 scale classses and forget about 1/8 scale completely and run 1/4 scale sprinters i havent seen any issues with classes or rules and we just got done running the nats in muskogee. havent seen latemodels ever run at the real chilibowl aLL SPRINTERS CHAD:checkeredflag:


I hear a storm brewing... and it may contain something bad and stinky:eek:

[outlaw17]

You all are amazing... I'm still confused on where in this thread people were complaining about the rules. All I saw was a few that questioned the idea of running 3 1/8 scale classes.


Thanks for the laughs though... Keep up the great work of promoting 1/8 scale racing.:rolleyes:

I second this.. :thumbsup: no one complained about anything, if anything there has been some constructive criticism floating around, but some ppl cant take criticism.

However, I will do my best to attend this event no matter what the rules are!!

And Hconcepts... Bring it on!!! Maybe ill bring a URL car too to show you boys how its done ;) LOL cant wait for this one!! :checkeredflag:

[gr8pumpkin]

hey scott here is the best way to settle the problem that you nhave been faced with run the 1/10 scale classses and forget about 1/8 scale completely and run 1/4 scale sprinters i havent seen any issues with classes or rules and we just got done running the nats in muskogee. havent seen latemodels ever run at the real chilibowl aLL SPRINTERS CHAD:checkeredflag:

This could possibly be one of the best statements yet. I would like to add a lil something to this aswell if we are gonna keep with the true "chili bowl" idea and run all the classes with out wings. People say it can't be done, I say they are using the wings as a tuning crutch cuz they can't set the cars up. I also think 1/8th scales should be allowed to race but............ bone stock ofna sprint cars only. Ok I'm done.

[RamRacing]

This could possibly be one of the best statements yet. I would like to add a lil something to this aswell if we are gonna keep with the true "chili bowl" idea and run all the classes with out wings. People say it can't be done, I say they are using the wings as a tuning crutch cuz they can't set the cars up. I also think 1/8th scales should be allowed to race but............ bone stock ofna sprint cars only. Ok I'm done.

You might want to think about you type before you type. If I am remember right, How far down the alphabet to you end up last year. Enough Said.
The Ofna 1/8 Sprint would be nothing to run without a wing compaired to the 1/10 scale sprints.
Ofna 1/8 Sprint = 4wheel drive
1/10 Sprint = 2 wheel drive
There is nothing the same. Heck we have trouble keeping closed wheel 1/8 scale LM in the park. Open wheel 1/8 scales would have no chance of staying in the park (on the track)

[Nmreplicas]

Bring whatever cars you have that fit within the rules and be done with it! Now let's go racing. Rumor has it that the Hurricane maybe piloting a nitro sprint this year!

[Hconcepts]

You might want to think about you type before you type. If I am remember right, How far down the alphabet to you end up last year. Enough Said.
The Ofna 1/8 Sprint would be nothing to run without a wing compaired to the 1/10 scale sprints.
Ofna 1/8 Sprint = 4wheel drive
1/10 Sprint = 2 wheel drive
There is nothing the same. Heck we have trouble keeping closed wheel 1/8 scale LM in the park. Open wheel 1/8 scales would have no chance of staying in the park (on the track)


We race the 1/8 Sprints in Arkansas. run 6 together all the time!! never go out the park!

And About Gr8Pumpkin. That was his 1st r/c race in his life!!! soo... I wouldn't count that one!! :blackorange2:

[gr8pumpkin]

You are right, I didn't even finish a race on my wheels at the chili bowl last year but like brian said. It was my first race ever but I can promise you this now that if you got yourself an 1/8th scale that I would be so far up your backside that ever time you smiled you'd see my stalker bodied 00 car! No hard feelings rodger its only racing. :thumbsup: :checkeredflag: :beer:

[Nmreplicas]

Ouch that hurt dust yourself off roger LOL

[Stetler17]

SCOTTY,
Thank You!

See, that wasn't that hard to say.

Not sure if I'll be able to make it, and I'm not sure if the Outlaw class will be a good move for that type of racing surface, but it does not matter. I appreciate you trying to include the other half of the Midwest and the South in the Chili Bowl.

For those that think the URL class will be depleted, I think you're wrong. The same 75 guys that have been running it will continue, minus a handful that would rather run their "normal" equipment in another class. The question will be how many new guys will travel that far with their Open cars to make that class a success?

[smitty]

I'll pick you up on the way mark.

[Stetler17]

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Wait, wasn't there an issue with one of my teammates spontaneously combusting in the Dynotech hauler?

[cbutler]

why cant we all just get along and have fun racen:beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:

[gr8pumpkin]

Cloud 9 here we come again!

[RamRacing]

You are right, I didn't even finish a race on my wheels at the chili bowl last year but like brian said. It was my first race ever but I can promise you this now that if you got yourself an 1/8th scale that I would be so far up your backside that ever time you smiled you'd see my stalker bodied 00 car! No hard feelings rodger its only racing. :thumbsup: :checkeredflag: :beer:

No Hard feelings on my side.
But if you truely want to go there. I can get a 1/8 scale car to run. You just tell me which track you can get your best setup working on and I will meet you there and just show you that it wouldnt be you up my butt. It would be me lapping you. Then lets see you get a sprint and find out just how easy you think they are.

All I was getting at was. Before you start calling out people about not being able to setup a car. You need to find out what it take to run a 1/10 scale sprint. It is not like your 1/4 sprint. And if you want to run heads up with them too. Just say the word. I can have one of those to make the point.

[outlaw17]

why cant we all just get along and have fun racen:beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:

Amen :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :beer: :beer: :beer:

[gr8pumpkin]

I would never call you out on a race like that...... why you ask? You eat sleep breath and have done nothing but race rc cars for a real long time. Hell ya probably " rough up the suspect" to the new r/c action every month. But if we were to race and I bet you or hell even just hung in there with you than that would be real sad cuz I've only wheeled an rc car maybe 20 times. I never said I would drag you around the track either there so youmight want to bust out the bifocals there old timer and read and said id be up your tail. Calling me out to an rc car race is like me calling you out to a drag race. Ill run your world if you run mine. Deal? See ya at the chili bowl.

[RamRacing]

I would never call you out on a race like that...... why you ask? You eat sleep breath and have done nothing but race rc cars for a real long time. Hell ya probably " rough up the suspect" to the new r/c action every month. But if we were to race and I bet you or hell even just hung in there with you than that would be real sad cuz I've only wheeled an rc car maybe 20 times. I never said I would drag you around the track either there so youmight want to bust out the bifocals there old timer and read and said id be up your tail. Calling me out to an rc car race is like me calling you out to a drag race. Ill run your world if you run mine. Deal? See ya at the chili bowl.


The only reason I even made a single comment to you was from one statement you made. Which was copied from your first post:

I would like to add a lil something to this aswell if we are gonna keep with the true "chili bowl" idea and run all the classes with out wings. People say it can't be done,
(I say they are using the wings as a tuning crutch cuz they can't set the cars up.)
_________________________________________


Your the one that threw out the comment about me getting a 1/8 scale. I just stated if you wanted to go there to back up your statements. I would be glad to meet you. It was just like last year you were making the statement you were going to win the Chili Bowl. If you dont want people to confront statements you make. Then dont make them unless your ready to back it up. Yes your right I live and breath r/c racing. But you dont see me getting on here and making statements like you have.

[Team GFRP]

My daddy can beat up your daddy....:kiss:

[gr8pumpkin]

I get on here to make the statements that I want to. Its like everyone on here is afraid to talk smack. I get on here to ruffle feathers and have fun. But ill take ya up on your offer and ill race ya. Oh and I will win the chili bowl in 2011!

[04Xterra]

Zack,

You should hand these out with your online comments from now on.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Salt_-_close-up.jpg/632px-Salt_-_close-up.jpg

Hopefully I'll get a chance to race with you again in the future.

Have fun at the CBjr guys and gals!

[RamRacing]

I get on here to make the statements that I want to. Its like everyone on here is afraid to talk smack. I get on here to ruffle feathers and have fun. But ill take ya up on your offer and ill race ya. Oh and I will win the chili bowl in 2011!

Well it is good to Dream.

Hell if I make the A-main at the 2011 Chilli Bowl I will feel Blessed with the top notch drivers that will be there.

[Hconcepts]

Bahaha!!!!! :D like listen to old women! ;)

The trash talk has begon!! :thumbsup: To bad it's with 2 NO driving fools!! :p

[Matt Murphy]

I always swore, that I would quit racing 8th scales either when hell froze over or we had our 1,000th pointless, never ending, below the belt punching, 1/8th scale rules discussion thread here on DODC.

On that note...

LOSI L8 ...For sale! 3rd place car from Chili Bowl last year! 5th at Big Bills $$$ Race in 09 also.

[gr8pumpkin]

The rules discussion is over. Hell now its down to good ol smack talk. Speaking of that I see you peeking over there Mr Harper LOL. Oh and Brian I believe I've finished ahead of you more times than me.

[RamRacing]

Bahaha!!!!! :D like listen to old women! ;)

The trash talk has begon!! :thumbsup: To bad it's with 2 NO driving fools!! :p

At least we dont have girly pink on our cars. LOL:p:D :whiteflag:

[RamRacing]

I always swore, that I would quit racing 8th scales either when hell froze over or we had our 1,000th pointless, never ending, below the belt punching, 1/8th scale rules discussion thread here on DODC.

On that note...

LOSI L8 ...For sale! 3rd place car from Chili Bowl last year! 5th at Big Bills $$$ Race in 09 also.

Matt
You know you love racing 1/8 scale. And after the run you had last year. You will be back for more.

As you can see the talk has went to Smack talk and not about rules. I think it is set in stone now.
URL= Will be the rules controled class
Outlaw = Open rules other then rubber tires required.
So no need for talk about rules.

[gr8pumpkin]

brian should name his car the tampon express and use a panty liner for a side dam and run the outlaw class!

[Hconcepts]

ONLY real men race Pink cars!!! :thumbsup:

On the outlaw class, Do we have to run that silly clear thing on the left side of the car??

[FULLT1LT]

only real men race pink cars!!! :thumbsup:

On the outlaw class, do we have to run that silly clear thing on the left side of the car??


you will get smoked if ya dont lolol

[outlaw17]

ONLY real men race Pink cars!!! :thumbsup:

On the outlaw class, Do we have to run that silly clear thing on the left side of the car??

you can paint it pink so its not clear.... :D

[RamRacing]

ONLY real men race Pink cars!!! :thumbsup:

On the outlaw class, Do we have to run that silly clear thing on the left side of the car??

You dont have to do anything. Outlaw stands for open. But I can say that I would have to agree with FullTilt. If you dont have one. you will be at a disadvantage.

[Matt Murphy]

Can we run the 10th scale stuff in the morning and 8th scale after... I want to see the big show this year! If we can get the 10th scale stuff done by 1 or 2, we could go get lunch, shower, clean up and head to the arena for the Midgets!

[Doug Gaut]

Can we run the 10th scale stuff in the morning and 8th scale after... I want to see the big show this year! If we can get the 10th scale stuff done by 1 or 2, we could go get lunch, shower, clean up and head to the arena for the Midgets!

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Doug Gaut]

I always swore, that I would quit racing 8th scales either when hell froze over or we had our 1,000th pointless, never ending, below the belt punching, 1/8th scale rules discussion thread here on DODC.

On that note...

LOSI L8 ...For sale! 3rd place car from Chili Bowl last year! 5th at Big Bills $$$ Race in 09 also.

;):thumbsup:

[Hconcepts]

you can paint it pink so its not clear.... :D


but there is a reason why there clear right?

But a Pink one would be pretty kool!! :thumbsup:

[Matt Murphy]

They are clear so that the guys who like to run them can pretend their cars look as cool as the ones who don't!

Kinda like the dude with the ugly girlfriend.... never takes her pout in public..... and if he does, he hopes nobody sees her.

Just like a sidedam!!!

[04Xterra]

they are clear so that the guys who like to run them can pretend their cars look as cool as the ones who don't!

Kinda like the dude with the ugly girlfriend.... Never takes her pout in public..... And if he does, he hopes nobody sees her.

Just like a sidedam!!!

brilliant!!!

[tmr22]

They are clear so that the guys who like to run them can pretend their cars look as cool as the ones who don't!

Kinda like the dude with the ugly girlfriend.... never takes her pout in public..... and if he does, he hopes nobody sees her.

Just like a sidedam!!!


Matt,

You talk like you speak from experience. I tell you what, you don't talk about our sidedams and we won't talk about your sealed up racetracks that are like asphalt.

[Joey Hornick]

I see the 8th scale class still holds the trophy in drama. I remember the days when we all just went out and ran under an agreed set of rules and the competition was not only tough, but each and every driver enjoyed themselves during the 3 day event. I think that is why there has been many that have dropped running the class and run the 1/10th scale classes.

I look forward to seeing the racing get back to those days. My hats off to Scott on taking the lead on this event again and hope it continues to build each year.

[Matt Murphy]

Tim - LOL... Not gonna say I havent had a girlfriend that wasnt the cats meow.... we have all had one. HAHA

Our sealed tracks are a necessity. We do not have the beautiful red clay you have, and with our price of land being near tops in the country, indoor tracks cannot survive out here. So we are stuck with out door tracks on our native soils, and since I have been alive, they say Caliornia has been in a drought. With temperatures ranging from 85 - 115 degrees for the majority of the year, its not possible to run dirt wet, without watering for every heat race. And with the 120 racers we get for a one day show, that is not possible.

Side dams are a preference - Sealed tracks are a necessity.

If the LUCAS OIL Late Model Series ran sidedams, I would be completely ok with running them.

[tmr22]

Tim - LOL... Not gonna say I havent had a girlfriend that wasnt the cats meow.... we have all had one. HAHA

I know the feeling. I have had my fair share.LOL!

By the way the last time I checked this wasn't Lucas Oil sanctioned anyhow.

Why is it that everytime someone from this area asks a question about the rules or states something about rules the guys from OK,MO,TX,AR,and KS screams foul and starts whinning. Yes I said whinning. Questions were asked for a reason. The questions will continue to be asked all the way up till this race. We are just wanting clarifications. Those questions should be answered by someone that is going to be running the event. Not the other racers that will be attending. That way the questions get answered by someone that is affiliated with the rules and tech. Things will get solved quicker and less argumentative. But hey the way I see it if it weren't for us on the east coast asking questions about this event then this thread would be at 4 pages long this quick. It would probably filled with alot of non-sense that doesn't even pertain to the race.

[RamRacing]

I know the feeling. I have had my fair share.LOL!

By the way the last time I checked this wasn't Lucas Oil sanctioned anyhow.

Why is it that everytime someone from this area asks a question about the rules or states something about rules the guys from OK,MO,TX,AR,and KS screams foul and starts whinning. Yes I said whinning. Questions were asked for a reason. The questions will continue to be asked all the way up till this race. We are just wanting clarifications. Those questions should be answered by someone that is going to be running the event. Not the other racers that will be attending. That way the questions get answered by someone that is affiliated with the rules and tech. Things will get solved quicker and less argumentative. But hey the way I see it if it weren't for us on the east coast asking questions about this event then this thread would be at 4 pages long this quick. It would probably filled with alot of non-sense that doesn't even pertain to the race.

FYI Tim
The person that asked the question about sidedamns is from Arkansas. He was trying to be funny. And the ones that answered him was being funny back. Then it was just trash talk said after that in fun.

I have Talked with Scott. And the only rules that have been decided and set in stone for the 1/8 LM is the URL scale that was ran last year. The Outlaw rules have not been decided on. So if there are any questions answered by anyone other then Scott, then it may not be correct.

[Mr.Wolfman]

They are clear so that the guys who like to run them can pretend their cars look as cool as the ones who don't!

Kinda like the dude with the ugly girlfriend.... never takes her pout in public..... and if he does, he hopes nobody sees her.

Just like a sidedam!!!


All smak talk aside that's damn funny. HOOWWWLLL

[racerjmh]

Why is it that everytime someone from this area asks a question about the rules or states something about rules the guys from OK,MO,TX,AR,and KS screams foul and starts whinning. Yes I said whinning.



It's all a matter of perception. Everyone is competitive and wants an edge no one else has. I understand your point. Everyone wants to think they can win but only one does. It's like one of the old go kart outlaw guys I saw in the 80's. His number was 6P and it stood for proper preperation prevents piss poor performance!

Jim

[tmr22]

It's all a matter of perception. Everyone is competitive and wants an edge no one else has. I understand your point. Everyone wants to think they can win but only one does. It's like one of the old go kart outlaw guys I saw in the 80's. His number was 6P and it stood for proper preperation prevents piss poor performance!

Jim


Man try saying that 3 times real fast. Ohhh! I got a headache.

Hey that's cool. No problems.

[racerjmh]

He gave a lot of people headaches on and off the track- LOL. Was definitely an innovator. Only torsion bar suspended go kart I ever saw on dirt that had 2 rr tires, too.

[racefan11a]

The problem I see is that you don't ask for clarification you ask why you can't do something or if it's fair. If I was to go to a steak house and ask why they don't serve pancakes and eggs, they would laugh at me. Plain and simple, its the rules. Follow them and we will all have a good time, If you have a question about a rule, be specific about that rule. don't come on here and say they are all gray because the ones that run those series don't have a problem reading and understanding them.

[Chris K]

Tim - LOL... Not gonna say I havent had a girlfriend that wasnt the cats meow.... we have all had one. HAHA

Our sealed tracks are a necessity. We do not have the beautiful red clay you have, and with our price of land being near tops in the country, indoor tracks cannot survive out here. So we are stuck with out door tracks on our native soils, and since I have been alive, they say Caliornia has been in a drought. With temperatures ranging from 85 - 115 degrees for the majority of the year, its not possible to run dirt wet, without watering for every heat race. And with the 120 racers we get for a one day show, that is not possible.

Side dams are a preference - Sealed tracks are a necessity.

If the LUCAS OIL Late Model Series ran sidedams, I would be completely ok with running them.


Having met Matt, I'd say he generally 'over dates' but usually within his species.... I'm just guessing you understand.... have NO facts to base any of this on.....

the only thing I base this on is that it's fun to bust on Matt!!!!!!! OR as Scotty used to say: Matt 'Guitar' Murphey!!!!!!! Seems he is effected as much by the Blues Brothers as I am!!!!!

[Hconcepts]

FYI Tim
The person that asked the question about sidedamns is from Arkansas. He was trying to be funny. And the ones that answered him was being funny back. Then it was just trash talk said after that in fun.

I have Talked with Scott. And the only rules that have been decided and set in stone for the 1/8 LM is the URL scale that was ran last year. The Outlaw rules have not been decided on. So if there are any questions answered by anyone other then Scott, then it may not be correct.

Rodger,

You nailed it right on the head on that one!! I'm just hacking on you guys!! it's all in fun. :thumbsup:

[gatornation]

Well, if the URL would allow the OFNA DM1spec I'd be there. But since they don't... y'all have fun.

Bad thing is there is really NO logical reason to not allow it.

Thanks...

[RONNIE C]

I can't think of a logical reason not to buy a set of legal tires and come to the race. It's well worth the 40.00 bucks to be a part of this race.

[SCARLISLE]

I can, it's called money and if someone already has 2 or 3 sets of dlm 1 tires then that's money they can save and make the trip to the Chili Bowl. Jmo

[racefan11a]

well, since the cbj isnt for another 4 months, put ten dollars a month in a cookie jar and you will have enough to buy a set, and if ten dollars a month will put you out then you shouldn't be in this hobby any way.

[SCARLISLE]

Well Alex, Sounds like gatornation has more issues than just tires. I don't know what tires they run in MS. Maybe he's afraid to get spanked by us Texas and Oklahoma boys.
Lol. :checkeredflag:

[racerjmh]

Well, if the URL would allow the OFNA DM1spec I'd be there. But since they don't... y'all have fun.

Bad thing is there is really NO logical reason to not allow it.

Thanks...


I have seen DM1 spec cars run at url/nscs events so why do you think they aren't allowed? They are buggy based ofna's and as far as I know that's legal as long as it has a 1 speed instead of a 2 speed. And you'll have to run the dlm2 tires instead of ofna's in the Pro class or sportsman class and so far no one has stated for sure what tires will be ran in unlimited. Talk to Scott Butts about the rules if you need clarification.

Jim

[gatornation]

RONNIEC,

Tires aren't the issue. I don't care what tires we run. I'm talking about a car.


SCARLISLE,

If anyone is scared about getting spanked on a given weekend they don't need to be racing, lol.

Jim,

Thank you for your response. It's just a chassis with Jammin buggy parts on it.


Mike

[RamRacing]

Well, if the URL would allow the OFNA DM1spec I'd be there. But since they don't... y'all have fun.

Bad thing is there is really NO logical reason to not allow it.

Thanks...

If I am seeing the post right. The OFNA DM1spec is a type of chassis? If this is the case. You would be allowed to run it in the Open class of the Chilli Bowl Jr. As far as if it would be legal for the URL ruled class, You would have to get with Scott to verify if it would be legal or not.

Rodger

[RichardsonRacng]

RUN-WHAT-YOU-BRUNG in Outlaw class.. Thats pretty stairt forward!! roll them threw the box and race boys and girls!!

I'm thinking about building me one!! show these east coast boys how it's done!!! "The Pink Turd" is out to get ya!!!! :blackorange2:

2 things, the "pink turd" is in temporary retirement.(be original) :) and 2nd, are these the same post from the previous 2 years with new dates?

Been a while, hope all you guys are doing well...

[Mason]

Getting back to actual event information..

What are the plans for Pit Trailers and RVs? Is there going to be room inside the building to park a trailer? Are RVs allowed somewhere on-site overnight?

[RamRacing]

Getting back to actual event information..

What are the plans for Pit Trailers and RVs? Is there going to be room inside the building to park a trailer? Are RVs allowed somewhere on-site overnight?

Pit trailers will be allowed in side with room permiting. If you plan on bringing a RV and staying in it. I would advise you to call the Tulsa Fairgrounds now to get a RV spot reserved. The Big Chilli Bowl has alot of RV's. So I am not sure what the availiblity will be. I hope this help you. Glad to hear we might have some FL racers coming.

[magic man]

I'm drivn from sacramento ca,so I would like to race againt as many 1/8 as possible that is the draw 4 me.I think maybe 2 classes but would rather have one single class the more the bette. Just my thoughts don't mean **** I know........haha

[Rockstar2010]

What kind of engines are most common in open outlaw 1/8th scale LM racing and whose doing the mods for the Tennessee racers?

Thanks,

[speed4less]

Rockstar,
Here in the south/east most of the guys are finding the OS 28 xz is the best motor. They are bad ass! I personally don't run a mod motor. To much trouble for little to no gain. The (stock) OS 28 xz is all the motor you you will ever need. There are a lot of other choices also. The 454 Losi is the best bang for the buck. JMO They are a little touchy to tune is the only down fall. They are not that hard to tune you just may be doing some small tunning each time you make a run. The LRP 28 is also a good motor for the money. A few of the guys have had some of them with a bad front bearing(sucking air) out of the box is the only thing about them. The OS 25 xz is also a strong motor. The two OS motors are in the $300 range and the other two are in the $150 range. It's just what you want to spend. If you can spend the money the OS's would be my choice.
All of these are what I see most, but they're a lot of other choices.

Good luck and you'll find motors don't really make the difference. A good car is where it's at! JMO:D

[Rockstar2010]

Thank you for the info, that was real easy and simple. Now I just need that side dam? that works!!!

Thanks, Rockstar

[plipitkc]

Yes Dr Phil has poked his head out from under the rock again. By simple words "run what you brung" for an outlaw class should mean exactly what they said. Anything innovative goes and is legal. 2 sp trannies, DM-1 chassis, any whatumacallit, gizzmo, thingamabob is legal. Even those dang ZAPPER cars...


Lets go racing boys. Wish my Baja was legal, I'd win by survival of the stompin contest.


LMAO Go COWBOYS and SOONERS, let the games begin!!!


Dr Phil :p

[shaun]

i have a ? is the losi late model legal too run and thanks for the sportsman class

[loopedout]

Yes, you can run the L8 in the sportsman class, just make sure your spoiler is in check etc with the sportsman rules.


Scott, a big thumbs up from me on your class choices and track decisions. Can't wait for CBJ4!

[shaun]

where do i find the sportsman rules

[racerjmh]

Sportsman rules are the same as pro rules- just intended for guys with less racing experience to run together.

[shaun]

ok thank you

[loopedout]

1/8th SCALE LATEMODELS

Chassis:
All 1/8th Ultimate Racing League Latemodels must be a production offroad buggy that has been converted for oval use by either the manufacturer or the racer. You must use the original chassis plate. No aftermarket chassis plates will be allowed and this includes but is not limited to the Losi Flex Chassis. No alterations to the original chassis plate will be allowed. The only components that can be changed are the shock towers, shocks and springs. You must use 1/8th scale shocks. No 1/10th scale touring car shocks will be allowed. You must use the stock control arms. No alterations of the control arms will be allowed. The wing mount can be removed and body mounts can be added. Components to change the front kick up or anti-dive and the rear toe and anti-squat are allowed. No other alterations to the chassis or component locations will be allowed, this includes shimming under the diff cases and bulk heads. Lipo receiver batteries are the only exception due to size and them not fitting in the OEM battery box. Lipo batteries must be mounted as close as possible to the original battery location and in a safe manner that prevents them from being damaged in a wreck or coming unplugged.
The only cars that are exempt from the buggy rule are the Ofna GTP, GTP II and DO Pro.

All buggy rules listed above apply to these cars with the following restrictions/additions.
The only changes to these cars that will be allowed will be springs, shocks, pivot ball suspension and products that will improve the durability of the car. Replacing the stock ring gears with hardened ring gears will be allowed. No other alterations to the chassis or component locations will be allowed

WEIGHT REQUIREMENT WILL BE 8.25 LBS MINIMUN DRY WEIGHT ( NO FUEL)

Drivetrain:
Diffs must remain OEM 6 gear fluid filled diff, in front and rear end of the car.
No adjustable auto locking/unlocking diffs, oneways or torsen diffs allowed.
The center diff may either be a spool or the OEM diff.
Single speed transmission only
One Way Bearings are not allowed anywhere in the drive drain

Engine:
Any 1/8-scale style Engine, no twin or multi engine cars.
Any 1/8-scale style Pipe
Any 1/8-scale style Header
Carburetors MUST HAVE a return device (spring, rubber band) to close the carburetor in the event the linkage comes off.
No graphite or carbon fiber flywheels.
No machining of aluminum flywheels that changes the thickness from stock.

Tires:
The spec tire for 2010 and beyond will be the Losi DLM2, part number
LOSA17757.
There will not be any grooving or sipping of the rubber tires
Tire softener or traction compound may be used

Bodies: Molded bodies only. 3” max rear spoiler measured from the deck lid.
Added winglets can be up to 2.50" high ” x 4.50” in length, maximum of 3 added winglets will be allowed. One on each side of the body and one on the rear deck. Winglets cannot be rectangular or square in shape. There cannot be any sharp edges.
No restrictions on window openings
Body must fully cover the wheels.
No on-road wedge type bodies, must be dirt oval latemodel design
No "Decking" of the bodies will be allowed.