Kotw

[new2rc]

I don't know if this was asked yet or not but what classes will there be for the KOTW. Was wondering if there is going to be a Limited Sprint or Late Model (electric) and if there is what would the rules be? Plan on coming down and want to race as much as possible. Thanks in advance.

[Sonny B]

I don't know if this was asked yet or not but what classes will there be for the KOTW. Was wondering if there is going to be a Limited Sprint or Late Model (electric) and if there is what would the rules be? Plan on coming down and want to race as much as possible. Thanks in advance.


We plan to offer 3 classes this year.

Mod Electric Sprint (DODC Rules)
Nitro Sprint (DODC Rules)
13,5 Late Model (WCIS Rules)


Should have full details posted in a couple of weeks.

[Fineousfingers]

Will the new CW LM bodies be included in the WCIS rules? I'm jonesin' for a Springfield or Paducah body!

[low81ryder]

Yes Jim the new CW bodies and the new Stalker Sniper bodies are ok

[Fineousfingers]

How about the mini machine gun on turrets - can we add those too... I have the extra servo mount that can aim AND fire with a flick of my thumb and it will take out any competition that gets in my way, or tag a marshall that is too slow. I won't actually use real bullets, just the plastic ones, but hey they sting dammit! LOL

[Fineousfingers]

just in case anyway is taking notes:

Team McGuire
13.5 LM
Elec Mod Sprint

:D

[new2rc]

Where can I find the WCIS Rules?

[AJS]

Here's a link: http://www.allensrccars.com/wcis/wcis_rules.htm

[Hitman-98]

Can we run a SPX in the LLM?

[Gary]

Can we run a SPX in the LLM?

Happens from time to time


Novak GTB (#1710, #1711), Havoc (#1732, #1735), XBR (#1720), Super Sport/Plus (#3205, #1705) or LRP Sphere Competition (#80500, #80700) speed controls only.

[overlandovalracer]

Can we run a SPX in the LLM?

The spx was an oversight in the rules that has since been amended. No speedos that feature agressive timing advance curves allowed.

[Hitman-98]

Well that sucks, there was going to be 3 or 4 of us coming down from Wisconsin.

[FULLT1LT]

Will we be able to run a tekin in spec profile???

[Sonny B]

Will we be able to run a tekin in spec profile???

I don't see it on the approved list. So that would be a NO.

[FULLT1LT]

I don't see it on the approved list. So that would be a NO.


Dear God,


could we please have a unified set of rules at a dodc national points race???? I mean really????Isn't that why DODC was created????

[overlandovalracer]

The great speed control debate is really getting dumb . The rules are at least being made known prior to the event. The rules in this region are not hidden, they are what is required to compete at the track in question. DODC rules state that the track owner/promoter reserves the right to alter the rules to suit their needs. This is no different than full size racing. IMCA modifieds, UMP modifieds, & USMTS modifieds are all the same car with essentially minor diffferences, such as engine claim rule , or trade, Hoosier tires or McCreary tires, rear spoilers or not, etc...Find out what the rules are for the track you want to race at & do what's need to race there, or race somwhere else where you car IS completely legal.

[tsix]

The great speed control debate is really getting dumb . The rules are at least being made known prior to the event. The rules in this region are not hidden, they are what is required to compete at the track in question. DODC rules state that the track owner/promoter reserves the right to alter the rules to suit their needs. This is no different than full size racing. IMCA modifieds, UMP modifieds, & USMTS modifieds are all the same car with essentially minor diffferences, such as engine claim rule , or trade, Hoosier tires or McCreary tires, rear spoilers or not, etc...Find out what the rules are for the track you want to race at & do what's need to race there, or race somwhere else where you car IS completely legal.


Very well said sir. :thumbsup:

Oh by the way, glad to hear you got the promotion Sonny. A nice step up from your last gig as RULER of the KNOWN UNIVERSE :rolleyes:

[FULLT1LT]

The great speed control debate is really getting dumb . The rules are at least being made known prior to the event. The rules in this region are not hidden, they are what is required to compete at the track in question. DODC rules state that the track owner/promoter reserves the right to alter the rules to suit their needs. This is no different than full size racing. IMCA modifieds, UMP modifieds, & USMTS modifieds are all the same car with essentially minor diffferences, such as engine claim rule , or trade, Hoosier tires or McCreary tires, rear spoilers or not, etc...Find out what the rules are for the track you want to race at & do what's need to race there, or race somwhere else where you car IS completely legal.


sounds good to me:thumbsup: but you know what is really dumb??? having a national set of rules and not using them:thumbsdown: especially when it leaves racers out:thumbsdown: thats 3 entrys for each track they just lost for me alone. I think with the state of racing you would want as many people as you could get.people wont travel to race 1 class,especially if they have to purchase an outdated esc,there goes the gas money.I am lucky enough to be able to purchase anything I need to go race,I just refuse to.Whats good enough for DODC should be LEGAL at a DODC track at a DODC NATIONAL POINTS RACE:checkeredflag: I'm done with this conversation because you guys dont realize it but you are going down the same stinking road that caused the demize of d.o. racing.Its the whole my car is legal at this track but not at that 1 all over.Oh and by the way, this isnt usmts,ump,imca.It is supposed to be DODC-----1 sanctioning body,1 set of rules NUFF SAID

[overlandovalracer]

sounds good to me:thumbsup: but you know what is really dumb??? having a national set of rules and not using them:thumbsdown: especially when it leaves racers out:thumbsdown: thats 3 entrys for each track they just lost for me alone. I think with the state of racing you would want as many people as you could get.people wont travel to race 1 class,especially if they have to purchase an outdated esc,there goes the gas money.I am lucky enough to be able to purchase anything I need to go race,I just refuse to.Whats good enough for DODC should be LEGAL at a DODC track at a DODC NATIONAL POINTS RACE:checkeredflag: I'm done with this conversation because you guys dont realize it but you are going down the same stinking road that caused the demize of d.o. racing.Its the whole my car is legal at this track but not at that 1 all over.Oh and by the way, this isnt usmts,ump,imca.It is supposed to be DODC-----1 sanctioning body,1 set of rules NUFF SAID

For what it's worth, I agree that the other speedos should be legal, & I did oppose the ruling locally about the speed control rule. On the other hand, we DO allow the Novak 13.5,( same motor), & the SMC 3200mah 28 c pack,( same battery), which makes sense for us & has worked well. My point is this, some rules in our series are good, others suck, but I have 5+ great tracks to race at with in a 125 mile radius, my cars fit the rules @ all of those tracks, & I love to race, some I deal with the rules that suck. Good luck to you whereever you decide to race :thumbsup:

[ed gaines]

sounds good to me:thumbsup: but you know what is really dumb??? having a national set of rules and not using them:thumbsdown: especially when it leaves racers out:thumbsdown: thats 3 entrys for each track they just lost for me alone. I think with the state of racing you would want as many people as you could get.people wont travel to race 1 class,especially if they have to purchase an outdated esc,there goes the gas money.I am lucky enough to be able to purchase anything I need to go race,I just refuse to.Whats good enough for DODC should be LEGAL at a DODC track at a DODC NATIONAL POINTS RACE:checkeredflag: I'm done with this conversation because you guys dont realize it but you are going down the same stinking road that caused the demize of d.o. racing.Its the whole my car is legal at this track but not at that 1 all over.Oh and by the way, this isnt usmts,ump,imca.It is supposed to be DODC-----1 sanctioning body,1 set of rules NUFF SAID


+1

[CShearburn]

I'm going to have to agree that for this particular race I think the speed control list should be opened up while still keeping with the zero timing objective. Since the Mamba and Tekin are already probably the most popular ESC's for oval racing I think they can be easily added to the list with retrictions on the timing adjustments which wouldn't render the 35 cars that have already run in the local series this year uncompetitive. If there is new software for both ESC's that make it easier to tech then thats even better.

Then again there have been 35 13.5 LM's so far in this area in this area running under the WCIS rules without any problems, so there should still be a good turnout.

[new2rc]

Would it be possible to add an "Open" Limited Late Model if there was enough interest? Just wondering because I planned on coming down to race Mod Sprint and Limited Late Model but don't own any of the equipment allowed for LLM. I would love to come down and race but can't justify buying the legal equipment just to use it once.

[FULLT1LT]

I'm going to have to agree that for this particular race I think the speed control list should be opened up while still keeping with the zero timing objective. Since the Mamba and Tekin are already probably the most popular ESC's for oval racing I think they can be easily added to the list with retrictions on the timing adjustments which wouldn't render the 35 cars that have already run in the local series this year uncompetitive. If there is new software for both ESC's that make it easier to tech then thats even better.

Then again there have been 35 13.5 LM's so far in this area in this area running under the WCIS rules without any problems, so there should still be a good turnout.



http://www.dirtoval.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53020

[Hitman-98]

Would it be possible to add an "Open" Limited Late Model if there was enough interest? Just wondering because I planned on coming down to race Mod Sprint and Limited Late Model but don't own any of the equipment allowed for LLM. I would love to come down and race but can't justify buying the legal equipment just to use it once.


Looks like we're staying home Joe. I can't afford to build a open sprinter and I'm not going to buy a motor & esc from three years ago, to use once.

[MK Race]

+1


-1

[MK Race]

Why not add a DODC Latemodel class too and the guys from up north can race and the 3 cars that race at Bill's can race too.

We could run our cars in both classes.

[overlandovalracer]

Why not add a DODC Latemodel class too and the guys from up north can race and the 3 cars that race at Bill's can race too.

We could run our cars in both classes.

Hell Yes!!! +1!:thumbsup::greenflag:

[Blues Hockey]

Running 2 late model classes that night would be cool. DODC late models would get to run, and our series late models would have our regular group. 30 to 35 in the series class. It is up to Sonny and Allen, but it would be nice to see the difference in qualifying between the 2 classes. All the guys that are saying they won't come would hopefully make the trip. I hear our series class keeps getting bigger, and bigger. I know of 3 more guys that have purchased late models for the series in the last week or so.

Jason

[FULLT1LT]

Does it really make sense to split them up? Are you guys afraid that a tekin on spec profile will be faster than a gtb on dirt with street trac tires?honestly?You already have the home track advantage for any out of towners.I will be the first 1 to sign up for both races and will be there if you allow the tekin on spec profile so we can all race together.I would rather race against 50 people than 10.

[Matt Murphy]

I sold all of my GTB's and sent my Spheres in for service and got back SXX speed controls... I guess the California entries will be leaving our 13.5 late models at home too.

I will not be buying old outdated equipment to race for one race weekend, when i could simply program my tekin to run equally to these other ESC's.

I understand that these rules work locally, but when you have a race weekend with racers coming from around the country, you gotta think about the big picture, or get local racers only.

Just my opinion, but I sure would have loved to run this class.

[Matt Murphy]

Does it really make sense to split them up? Are you guys afraid that a tekin on spec profile will be faster than a gtb on dirt with street trac tires?honestly?You already have the home track advantage for any out of towners.I will be the first 1 to sign up for both races and will be there if you allow the tekin on spec profile so we can all race together.I would rather race against 50 people than 10.


Not often have I said this to Brad over the years....lol.... but.....

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[FULLT1LT]

Not often have I said this to Brad over the years....lol.... but.....

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Matt, if you think back to when you were JUST a racer and not a promoter you wanted things YOUR way.Since your duties as BOW series director you have had to think about how what you do will affect the racers.It is the same as track ownership.BIG PICTURE:thumbsup::ha:

[Blues Hockey]

Does it really make sense to split them up? Are you guys afraid that a tekin on spec profile will be faster than a gtb on dirt with street trac tires?honestly?You already have the home track advantage for any out of towners.I will be the first 1 to sign up for both races and will be there if you allow the tekin on spec profile so we can all race together.I would rather race against 50 people than 10.

Brad, it makes more sense to split them up if it means all the guys that want the DODC rules would show if they offer that class also. If it is just series rules, it sounds like none of you will bring your late models.

I don't know what a tekin on the spec profile would be like? I know with the series rules the class has very close racing. The series rules make it a level playing field. I have no idea what the other esc's would do. I haven't run them, and I haven't seen anyone around here running them. It is nice to know you aren't getting beat by the latest greatest esc, or motor. It seems like our races have been coming down to setting up the car, and not making a little mistake driving.

Hope you guys make the trip.

[tsix]

Is the King of the Wings race a DODC national event? I don,t think it was the last 2 years. I could be wrong. If so a Tekin in the "new" software spec mode should be legal. Any esc with a fixed " aggressive" timing advance should not be legal.

Has everybody lost track of the concept that the 13.5 LM class was conceived as a limited class that puts everyone on the same footing making it a class that lets new racers, sportsman,pros everybody compete together with "equal" horsepower and traction placing the driving and set-up first . Yeah,yeah I know things are never "equal" in any kind of racing, [or life for that matter] the cream will rise to the top, the best drivers will be in the A Main that is what racing is about. The "new guy" will fight it out for 5th place in the E Main but he will at least know he was out driven by the "pro" not just passed down the back straight by a 13.5 that runs like a 6.5 when the timing kicks in. No matter what any of us think, that "new guy" is the most important racer at the track. With out him or her this little hobby of ours has no future. The learning curve for this sport is very steep the racers that have been around a while who see 13.5 LM as a "drivers" class don't need an "unfair" advantage. The DODC rules were set up before the esc timing advance was a well known issue. Timing advance should be addressed and I think will be by the DODC rules for what was intended to be a limited and controlled class. I don't see how anyone could seriously argue that timing advance is not an attempt to get around the spirit and intent of the rules. that I believe was the reason for the WCIS limiting esc options.
:thumbsup: to Tekin for a program that is easy to tech.
:thumbsup:to DODC for national guidelines and rules
:thumbsup:to WCIS for rules that adapt to keep a limited class as fair and equal as they can
:thumbsup: to KOTW for one of the first big dirt oval events bringing back this type of r/c racing back in the midwest
:thumbsdown: to racers who can't get it done without a "boost"
OK I lit the fuse, let the games begin.

:beer: Tom S

[Matt Murphy]

Not to bash the rules, but allowing the LRP is like cheating! They have timing advance profiles on the original sphere ESC's.... to say no tekin on 208 zero timing profile is not legal, but a sphere on profile 7 is legal.... is... well ignorant. As a guy who owns a motor company, its my job to know what ESC's and profiles make power.... and with your rules, I would only run an LRP Sphere...should be worth at least a lap or two over the non-timing ESC's...LOL.

:D:D:D

[FULLT1LT]

A tekin on spec profile is just like a gtb---- no timing no boost.The only minute difference between the 2 may be the internal resistance, hundreths of a volt. Jason, as good as your car has been why wouldnt you want to be able to say hey "I won the kow and did it with a gtb against the best around with tekins" vs "I won the kow against the same guys I've been beating all year"

[Blues Hockey]

A tekin on spec profile is just like a gtb---- no timing no boost.The only minute difference between the 2 may be the internal resistance, hundreths of a volt. Jason, as good as your car has been why wouldnt you want to be able to say hey "I won the kow and did it with a gtb against the best around with tekins" vs "I won the kow against the same guys I've been beating all year"

Brad, thanks for clearing up the difference. I haven't seen anyone test those esc's around here so I didn't know.

Our series races have been really close. I like the series rules because they create the level playing field. There have been a bunch of races where one little mistake would have caused me to drop from 1st to 4th or 5th. I also like the fact that you don't have to go buy a new high dollar esc to compete in the 13.5 late model class.

I have never shopped around for the Tekin, or any of the LRP esc's. I think Tom is correct. Why not keep the 13.5 late model class a little slower and easier to drive. These late models are still difficult to get them to handle. I just don't want to see them much faster or we won't have the close racing. It will be like sprints, where you have a few really fast guys, and the rest will be a lap or more off pace. We have more than doubled the size of our late model class since last year. I believe the rules package we run is what caused the class to grow. Our late model qualifying has been very close.


I am not against the other esc's if people would test them around here and prove that they are very similar to the GTB, or the LRP Sphere. I just didn't want to see guys have to buy the new (latest greatest) in order to compete.

I'm sure Sonny and Allen will make the correct decision on the rules for the KOTW race.

[Sonny B]

Guys please take the debate to the other 200 threads on this topic.

It’s a done deal there will not be any change.

DODC for Sprints and Nitro Sprints.
WCIS rules for the Late Models.

The 4 track owners (Allen, Bear, Big Bill, and Mouse) agreed to these rules at the start of the year. So far it’s worked and the class count has grown at every event. The two tracks involved this race wish to keep it the same.

If you can make it great, I know we will have a fun couple nights of racing. If not I understand, no hard feelings see you at the next big one.

[new2rc]

I wouldn't have a problem running my Tekin on spec mode, that's not the issue. Our rules allow us to run any battery and any brand 13.5 also. That's why I was wondering if an "Open " Limited Late Model class would be considered. I'm not knocking anybodies rules here, just wanted to race without buying equipment I'm only going to use once.

[Sonny B]

I wouldn't have a problem running my Tekin on spec mode, that's not the issue. Our rules allow us to run any battery and any brand 13.5 also. That's why I was wondering if an "Open " Limited Late Model class would be considered. I'm not knocking anybodies rules here, just wanted to race without buying equipment I'm only going to use once.

I understand, the other class with only a few cars would probably not work out. If you like I can check around and see if we can come up with some loaner equipment for you for the weekend.

[new2rc]

If you could do that it would be greatly appreciated. Are you coming up to CRC on August 14th? See ya sooner or later.

[Sonny B]

If you could do that it would be greatly appreciated. Are you coming up to CRC on August 14th? See ya sooner or later.

Ok I'll work on it and let you know.

Not sure about CRC on the 14th but I do want to make it up there sometime this summer.

[DonLookis]

I have a 13.5 Novak motor that came with the speed control, like a kit. I also have 1 3200 LiPo Dynamite battery that I would be more than willing to lend to someone for the King of the Wings race. When I had it in my sprint car for the beginning of the year the fastest lap I turned was a low 6.6. Now this is my first year so I know you guys could beat that if you put it in your Late Model. Just let me know, no big deal to me. I would like to see as many people come to this race as possible.

Don Lookis

[jake86]

I have a GTB that I would let someone use.

Jason Jackson

[rccars4scott]

Kudos to Jason and Don for offering up their equipment to help more guys race. They did more in two simple posts to promote this event and rc racing in general than the few who feel the need to continuously bellow about how unfair the rules are and how the rules are killing attendance.

[FULLT1LT]

ITS OK YOU GUYS GO PLAY WITH YOURSELVES IN YOUR OWN SANDBOX:D can someone please tell me where the forum is to discuss the rules for THIS DODC NATIONAL POINTS RACE ? Can someone please tell me wtf the 4 track series rules have to do with a DODC NATIONAL POINTS RACE?????????:confused::confused::confused::confus ed::confused::confused::confused::confused::confus ed::confused::confused: I mean I can see the argument that I was told that the 4 track series rules had nothing to do with the dodc rules but now your contradicting that. So which is it??? You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

[MiniT21]

Race directors will have ultimate authority over rules enforcement. The primary basis for any rules decision must be based on what will be best for the majority of racers. If an item is not addressed in the rules listed here than you should assume it is not legal.



copied directly from the rules link up above... Technically we still run a DODC based class, that would get DODC points... just because we added rules to suit our needs does not make any less of a DODC class. Racing the kart is more and more fun than racing these toy cars every day... No bitching about rules, i go to the track unload race my night... go home. There are rules set forth before the big races, and thats what you abide by if you want to race... plain and simple. Don't wanna abide? don't race.

[Sonny B]

Kudos to Jason and Don for offering up their equipment to help more guys race. They did more in two simple posts to promote this event and rc racing in general than the few who feel the need to continuously bellow about how unfair the rules are and how the rules are killing attendance.

Whats up golf pro.

+2

Thanks Don and Jason.

[rccars4scott]

Not much Sonny. How have you been?

[tsix]

Wow, some of you guys need to check your blood pressure. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: :mad::mad:
Personally I have found playing with myself in my own sandbox to be a great stress reliever ,however I have found that to be almost as abrasive as some of the posts on this thread. :ha:

The "newbie' steps up to offer use of his equipment so a "veteran" racer can compete on an "even" basis, guess this backs up what I said earlier about the new guys being the most important racers out there. Still the "gasket blowing" continues.

Looks like the decision has been made to run the event under the rules as they were posted some time ago without any changes. So here is a plan, chill out, prep your cars to the rules as originally posted and have fun.[You all do remember the fun part, that's the only part of the hobby that is free]
I along with other local racers will have a spare GTB with me race day to loan out in case somebody wants to compete without a crutch. I still feel that a Tekin in the new "spec" mode should meet the intent of the rules where the sphere although approved, does not, kudos to KOTW for sticking to the rules as set.

[Hitman-98]

I did happen to dig up a old 4 cell GTB, hopefully it won't burst into flames like my last two did. As far as motors go, it just has to be a silver can 13.5, right? I think I have one of those that is in pieces, due to needing a new end bell. If I throw that back together, I can run it?

[overlandovalracer]

I did happen to dig up a old 4 cell GTB, hopefully it won't burst into flames like my last two did. As far as motors go, it just has to be a silver can 13.5, right? I think I have one of those that is in pieces, due to needing a new end bell. If I throw that back together, I can run it?

As long as it has the orange timing ring.

[suprcop67]

i dont know if i will be able to race that weekend due to being recently unemployed, i will have several 13.5 motor setups that will most likely be available to use.

[Team GFRP]

WOW, I'm bumbed..... I missed another speed control debate.:(

[overlandovalracer]

WOW, I'm bumbed..... I missed another speed control debate.:(

WOW! That's the hilarious "high road" I should have taken on the issue too! Dustin, your my new hero! :D

[Gary]

I did happen to dig up a old 4 cell GTB, hopefully it won't burst into flames like my last two did. As far as motors go, it just has to be a silver can 13.5, right? I think I have one of those that is in pieces, due to needing a new end bell. If I throw that back together, I can run it?

Put it together and if it doesnt pass look me up at the track. I have a 13.5 you can use for this race.

Matt used it last when he had issues with his, ran good,

[tsix]

WOW, I'm bumbed..... I missed another speed control debate.:(



Dustin, you should have been there. We had cake and ice cream and....fireworks!!!!
It was cool ! LOL

[Hitman-98]

Put it together and if it doesnt pass look me up at the track. I have a 13.5 you can use for this race.

Matt used it last when he had issues with his, ran good,


Thanks for the offer, I will take you up on that. My old silver can has not seen a track in three years and it got a lot of abuse on the rug. We're all running open speedo and open 13.5 up here. But it sounds like you guys have a heck of a following for these rules, so we'll give it a shot.

[panelbeater]

As long as it has the orange timing ring.
What is the batt and mtr rule thought it was smc 3200 28c and Novak 13.5 . I got two Novak 13.5s that I ran in the BRL when it started but they don't have no orange timing ring.

[overlandovalracer]

What is the batt and mtr rule thought it was smc 3200 28c and Novak 13.5 . I got two Novak 13.5s that I ran in the BRL when it started but they don't have no orange timing ring.

Rules can be found at http://www.allensrccars.com/wcis/index.php , as well as current pionts standings. My short answer for your question is, I don't know?!

[Sonny B]

I got two Novak 13.5s that I ran in the BRL when it started but they don't have no orange timing ring.



If it's and older 13.5 with a black timing ring that will be fine. We still have the equipment to tech them. Come on out and have some fun with us.

[panelbeater]

If it's and older 13.5 with a black timing ring that will be fine. We still have the equipment to tech them. Come on out and have some fun with us.
cool I'll see if I can make it down there, I hear that Kelm guy runs down in that area.

[Sonny B]

I hear that Kelm guy runs down in that area.

Never heard of him...

[low81ryder]

Kelm ? Hmm seems ive heard that name before. Kinda a tall lanky guy, bald head, right. Yep know him well :D

[Fineousfingers]

Kelm ? Hmm seems ive heard that name before. Kinda a tall lanky guy, bald head, right. Yep know him well :D


Runs mid to back of the pack? yea, I've seen him around a couple of times... nice guy, but watch it when you pass him - gets kinda squirrely... :D

[MK Race]

Never heard of him...
You could only wish that.

Kelm ? Hmm seems ive heard that name before. Kinda a tall lanky guy, bald head, right. Yep know him well :D
You sure you're not talking about Johnny Reb that has that grey hair piece?
Or you could of said the old chubby guy with the bad knees and all that hair, non frosted or they could confuse the 2 of us.
Runs mid to back of the pack? yea, I've seen him around a couple of times... nice guy, but watch it when you pass him - gets kinda squirrely... :D
Sure Jim, just that you're always looking at the back of my car. Hey Jim, just wait till your daughter starts driving you to the races. Then you won't be able to pass anybody that day.

:D:D:D Love you all.

[panelbeater]

How big is Allen's track? are there any pics up somewhere to get an idea? Would like to try and make this race.

[DonLookis]

How big is Allen's track? are there any pics up somewhere to get an idea? Would like to try and make this race.

I dont have any pics of the track but here is a video from about a month ago I took of the A Main during the WCIS. Its a great track and alot of fun to race at.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbUQM3TYSRg

[Mr.Wolfman]

How big is Allen's track? are there any pics up somewhere to get an idea? Would like to try and make this race.


http://www.allensrccars.com/ try this link to the tracks homepage....We would be glad to have you come down, bring some friends.
Wolfman

[Sonny B]

How big is Allen's track? are there any pics up somewhere to get an idea? Would like to try and make this race.


About 200ft in the race line. 240' if you follow the green car. :p

[MK Race]

Come on down for the race Steve, awesome place, plenty of area to pit (not near Sonny).

Green #33?????????

[panelbeater]

You guys luv eachother don;t you

[panelbeater]

Thanks for the video and info everyone, I'll try and see if I can make it down looks like a fun track.

[Hitman35]

What's going to be the entry fee for the KOW classes?

[Sonny B]

What's going to be the entry fee for the KOW classes?

We are going to drop the cash payout this year and lower the entry fee for everyone to just $15. We will still have awards for the top 3 in each class and also have a lot of race prizes to give away.

[Fineousfingers]

We are going to drop the cash payout this year and lower the entry fee for everyone to just $15. We will still have awards for the top 3 in each class and also have a lot of race prizes to give away.


Whoo Hoo! Thanks for lowering the fee! :thumbsup:

[suprcop67]

We are going to drop the cash payout this year and lower the entry fee for everyone to just $15. We will still have awards for the top 3 in each class and also have a lot of race prizes to give away.

thanks!! i hope my new schedule will work out so i can make it

[smitty]

What about a KOTW 4WD exhibition class, open motor open battery, body?

[4wd#9Nick]

What about a KOTW 4WD exhibition class, open motor open battery, body?


Wow! Maybe for that steak you probably owe me from the OW Mod Sprint Challenge?

[smitty]

You tell me the rules and Ill tell you how I want MY steak!

[Sonny B]

Sounds like the grudge match is on. You two work it out and we will fit it into the schedule.

[Team GFRP]

What about a KOTW 4WD exhibition class, open motor open battery, body?


HMMM I'm gonna have to bring something for that one!:D

Body is up to you. If you want bullet wedges with dams i'm cool with that or we could just use dodc body rules.

[QBR Racing]

What are the dates? Is what Allen's Rc has on his website current, as the dodc race on the 4th and the kotw on the 5th? Just trying to figure out hotel and travel dates.
Thanks,
Brian

[Sonny B]

What are the dates? Is what Allen's Rc has on his website current, as the dodc race on the 4th and the kotw on the 5th? Just trying to figure out hotel and travel dates.
Thanks,
Brian

Yah we cut it back a day. I'll try to get Chris to update the site.



Friday Sept 3rd - Maryville for the Sprint Shootout

Saturday Sept 4th - Allen's for the King of the Wings

Sunday Sept 5th - Rain Date for Allen's if needed.

[Hays 4]

Yah we cut it back a day. I'll try to get Chris to update the site.


Sunday Sept 5th - Rain Date for Allen's if needed.


Nonsense! It would never rain at an outdoor dirt oval race in IL!:o

[AJS]

And all this time I thought it was me causing the rain. LOL.

[Brian Jucha]

Sprint car tire of choice @ Allen's? Thanks

[Matt Murphy]

M3 Inside Jobs work everywhere...especially Allen's

[AJS]

Rooms reserved, can't wait for both nights.:D:checkeredflag::greenflag:

[Brian Jucha]

M3 Inside Jobs work everywhere...especially Allen's

Thanks!

[Matt Murphy]

13.5 LM's on Saturday still?

[DonLookis]

13.5 LM's on Saturday still?

13.5 Late Models at Maryville and Allens will be racing next weekend. :thumbsup:

[Brian Jucha]

What time do the track's open on the 2 race day's?

[Sonny B]

What time do the track's open on the 2 race day's?

You can set up around noon. Tracks will be prepped about 3pm each day.

[Blues Hockey]

Just looked at the weather for this weekend. Accuweather is calling for 78 and sunny for Saturday. It should be a great day for racing.


Jason

[low81ryder]

And all this time I thought it was me causing the rain. LOL.


Say that word again AJ and its gonna be a tattoo on your azz LOL :D Cya budd.....Mouse

[AJS]

No more R word for me. I have learned my lesson. LOL

[jake86]

No more R word for me. I have learned my lesson. LOL Yeah Jerry you don't Mouse getting anyware close to your Azz

[Team GFRP]

Say that word again AJ and I'm gonna be up your azz LOL :D Cya budd.....Mouse


Wayyyy tooooo eager to do that....:confused:

[Mr.Wolfman]

Wayyyy tooooo eager to do that....:confused:

he would never know he was there according to Clif.

[Brian Jucha]

Looking for a Custom works Lrg. front wing. If anybody has a new one they could sell me when I get down to Allens I would greatly appreciate it!

[low81ryder]

he would never know he was there according to Clif.


Cliffy never knows Wolfie you know that LOL.

[Hitman35]

Mouse, U better have your wood screws in because i am going to blow your 13.5 lm doors off:p:ha:

[js1]

If there is an exhibition race for the 4wd, what tires, bodies and body aero packages will be allowed to run. Might be useful info to have.

[low81ryder]

Mouse, U better have your wood screws in because i am going to blow your 13.5 lm doors off:p:ha:


LOL i got um welded shut Brian. Hey any of the other gang coming down to the KOTW? Rich, Tim who ever else. Cya....Mouse

[soccerstud5]

cant wait for the race its gunna b fun.

[Sonny B]

If there is an exhibition race for the 4wd, what tires, bodies and body aero packages will be allowed to run. Might be useful info to have.

Not really our deal. I told them I would find a few minutes in the schedule to run them. They had to work out the rules.

I would suggest you PM Chad Smith, Nick Rank, or Dustin Malicoat about it.

[Doug Gaut]

All packed up. Heading out in the morning. See ya'all on Friday.

[smitty]

Called Nick in the middle of the week, no 4wd's for us......I think he was scared:D

[smac]

Good luck guys...wish that I could make it!

[Fineousfingers]

Lets Go Racin' Boyz!!

[suprcop67]

all loaded up almost ready to hit the road :thumbsup:

[soccerstud5]

Headin out here in a few min. Lets go racin