1/8 Late model Rules

[vwbob16]

On the Late Model Rule about using stk suspension from same make and model car Can a Ofna Car using Revo Shocks and Rc4less Springs Be run? Also Can you use a King Headz Chassis And can the Losi cars use any of the King headz Suspension and chassis components Ie Rear Hubs Frt Caster hubs Ect

[BJake]

Bob,

That's a good question. I have a TMR Backlash coming and wondered if that will qualify to be raced in the LateModel division?

Thanks Brian

[vwbob16]

Brian

The Backlash that you are getting will work at Brc As long as there is lots of Bite But at the rest of the tracks you might want to look at stk chassis it will more balanced in loose conditions

[tmr22]

Don't worry Brian. You will be just fine.

[vwbob16]

Tim 3 of the 5 Tracks in the race series are loose dirt tracks that even run pin tires And here is what Mike Said about Loose Tracks and Offset cars Which is the experience that I had trying to run my offset car at BRC last week when the track went Dry Slick. The straidht up cars Killed us.

Let me explain why we off set an r/c dirt racecar. You have two basic track surfaces for the most part. They are high bite clay and loose dirt. When you run on a high bite track with foam tires weight transfer from the left side to the right (especially the right front) is very fast and extreme due to the high grip. High bite foam tire surface challenges are loose in and tight off. The more left side weight the harder it is for the car to transfer weight to the right side. That makes the car tighter getting in. The more left side weight you have will also free the car up off. With that being said left side weight can be very extreme. With the proper setup and tire you could run as much left side percentage as you could get.
When you run on loose tracks with rubber tires it’s just the opposite. The car will push in and be loose off. Due to the lack of grip on a loose surface. Left side weight will hurt you in these conditions. When you are on a loose surface with rubber tires you need the car to transfer weight to the right front getting in and transfer weight to the rear coming off for forward drive. In these conditions 50/50 would be very neutral. Again it depends on grip. You could be at a higher right percentage. That is what makes racing so challenging. It can be end less what you can do with all the adjustments you have. I could have 75% left side and one setup tire combo and be fast. The next guy is at 60% with a different setup tire combo and is fast also. What I’m saying is depending on the track banking, bite, car setup and tire compounds available it can be endless.
In summery high bite more left side weight percentage, low bite less left side percentages.
In the mid-west on loose tracks with rubber tires a guy would be wasting his money on offsetting his car.

[tmr22]

Don't know why you would even consider running an oval with pin tires but ok.

[vwbob16]

I agree Tim But Thats the way that they do it

[Matt Murphy]

The series WILL NOT be using pin tires on 8th scales. We will use the DLM2 tire.

Aftermarket parts are allowed, as long as they are made for the particular car you run.
This rule is so guys do not build a car with an OFNA rear end with a losi front end and run X-RAY suspension.

So yes all the things you listed will be allowed.

REVO Shocks are allowed. There are no shock limitations. you can run 8 shocks if you want.

I have taken the DODC Rules, and the DLMRA Rules, and made them even more basic. The important things are taken care of, but I want everyone to be able to come out and race with us. With all the guys who lik/accept the DLMRA rules, I dont think ANYONE can complain about my rules package...... but people will....LOL.

Just trying to give all the California racers a series to come together and play with your toy cars with other guys who like playing with their toy cars!:)

So lets get the cars ready, first race is less than a month.:revs:

Matt

[BJake]

Thanks for the follow up. I assume based on this:

Don't worry Brian. You will be just fine.

I'll be good to go.

Brian

[Matt Murphy]

Brian,
Your Backlash will do just fine.

Matt

[tmr22]

Congrats Matt on the work you are doing to get the 8 scales going out there. As soon as our awesome government can quit making so much money off of us working folks and let us put some back in our pocket I would love to come there and race with you guys sometime.

[Matt Murphy]

Tim,
Thanks! I just want to make California a Dirt Oval state again!

We would love to have an 8th scale LM celebrity like yourself racing with us out in Sunny CA! Even though you won't be making it out, you will be here in spirit. And your spirit is to "kick @$$ and take names." There are quite a few Backlash cars out here, and they always run well. They will represent for you I am sure.

Matt

[cdrracing]

Matt, on the King Headz rear arms I've also got one on my Hot Bodies D8. Is that OK?

None of the tracks require ROAR membership, correct?

[Matt Murphy]

None of the tracks require ROAR membership as far as I know. I will look into that further, but If I do not post otherwise, know that you will not.

As far as the arm goes, the rules make that illegal. Bring both the stock arm and the King Headz arm to the first race, and I will look at them closely. If they are visually similar, and do not make the car wider or narrower, or change the wheelbase, I may allow you to use it. If it tweaks the car from "Stock" by any other way than toe-in, It will not be allowed. Suspension must be straight up, no offset arms on wheelbases.

Matt

[cdrracing]

The D8 comes fixed with 3 degrees of toe, and they don't make different pieces like everybody else. As slow as I am, it isn't worth it if I have to run the same toe on both sides versus the Ofna and Losi. So I'll just aim for sprint car and give Jason practice dodging traffic. :o>

On second thought, if I call Jim and he's willing to add to the KH website that the arms also fit the D8, that would make it legal, right?

For Madera, are you doing a day or night race? If it's at night, do they have room for motorhomes like Rescue does?

Hey, Matt thanks for the time and effort.

[Bullhead57]

Hey Old Rookie,
Don't change your screen name to try and hide from me. Yorr KH arm will not be a problem, It's your left for finger that we should worry about.:):D:ha::ha::ha:

[Matt Murphy]

CDRRacing- As I said before, as long as it it close to the stock arm, I will not have any problem with you running it. I would rather you come out and race with us, and unless that arm on your D8 gives you an unfair advantage, I will let you race it.

Madera will be a day race, however it is most likely going to have the Mains run under the lights. I am looking at a 1pm start time most likely, but do not hold me to that! I want guys to be able to practice Saturday Morning as well as Friday Night.

I am unsure about RV parking, but I will get Brandon or Ruben to answer that for you. The are the Club Representatives.

Matt

[cdrracing]

Hey Pete, not hiding, just can't remember what my stupid oldrookie password was here before the hard drive crash. And I fixed the trigger finger problem, I just taped the throttle wide open on the M8. No more worrying about when to back off going into turn 1.

Matt, as anyone up here can tell you, you could give me a 10 lap head start in late model and I still couldn't make the A main. But I can only drive 2 wheel or 4 wheel drive on race days, so I'll pick one before Madera. If you went back to the original DLMRA rules, my D8 is legal.

And am I going to have to figure out how to put fake headers on my one piece sprint car hood/side panels? My car is actually modeled after an old 4 cylinder Offy with rear exhaust instead of a 410 V8. :rolleyes:

[Matt Murphy]

You will be fine with your 8th scale.

Sprint car headers help make the cars look realistic...... but if you are running the invisible headers, I am not gonna throw the rule book at you. I use losi's pretty chrome ones. But I have used the invisible ones before...;)

Matt

[speed4less]

repost on rules thread.
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