Poll

[Denez]

I would like to see how many racers would like to see straight DODC rules at the Il tracks that are on this forum ? This will uniform all tracks and I think better for all. Then when there is a question about a rule you can go to DODC rules and there it is . Put it up for a vote :confused:

[ed gaines]

I sure would:thumbsup:

[BigT]

I'LL SECOND THAT!!!!:thumbsup:

[smr153]

i would:thumbsup:

[MK Race]

Why not have a rules meeting where things can be talked about? Oh wait, there has been 1 meeting already. How many of you guys were there?

Is this is about the 13.5 latemodel class? How many of you guys ran the class last year?

How would people like it if they ran a class basicly with the same guys for a year or 2 and had a good time racing with those rules, then have guys who haven't run the class, who want to decide the rules?

If this is about the speedo ruling I think the guys did the right thing about it. If they allowed the new speedos with what they can do, then the guys that ran the class last year will have to buy new speedos just to race and not be lap traffic. I have seen the new ones run on carpet and the old ones don't come close to what the new ones can do.

Quit the bitchin, run the rules, and have fun.

[Denez]

Mike this isn't a bitch session, there are guys that want to run this class and go by dodc rules this is a dodc forum I think, then you can go to all tracks and not have any issues . Like body, batteries, motor ,ect ,dont run people off encourage people to run. By the way Mike I was one that could not make the meeting because of my job so put it out here for a vote looks like right now 4 yes 1 ? have a nice day see ya at the track.

[soccerstud5]

I vote DODC. Might get more people to come from other places and wont have to change their cars around a ton JMO.

[ed gaines]

Why not have a rules meeting where things can be talked about? Oh wait, there has been 1 meeting already. How many of you guys were there?

Is this is about the 13.5 latemodel class? How many of you guys ran the class last year?

How would people like it if they ran a class basicly with the same guys for a year or 2 and had a good time racing with those rules, then have guys who haven't run the class, who want to decide the rules?

If this is about the speedo ruling I think the guys did the right thing about it. If they allowed the new speedos with what they can do, then the guys that ran the class last year will have to buy new speedos just to race and not be lap traffic. I have seen the new ones run on carpet and the old ones don't come close to what the new ones can do.

Quit the bitchin, run the rules, and have fun.


Stay in your cave:D

[BigT]

I could still run with what I already have at Bills on a club race, but can't race it some where else that in my book is STUPID. MK said the meeting already happened, I was in Minnesota when I found out. So the Lm will stay an edm and if I need the esc I'll have an extra for the on road car I just bought.

Denez the thought was there but sound like the ink has dried.. see everyone at Bill's.

[MiniT21]

I see the argument from both ways... Here's the deal, the WCIS 13.5 late model class is just that, the WCIS 13.5 late model class. Not the DODC 13.5 class with exceptions. Here's the way i see it... if all of us want to run a dodc strict rules 13.5 late model class, 3 or more make a class. We can run those on a weekly basis. BUT, at thepoints series ya gotta run the points series rules. I was pretty pissed off at first, but realized what the intent was and they were looking out for everybody not just themselves. They want to add to the existing class and not replace the existing class with anther group of guys. My late model will probably be run as a mod car just as much as a 13.5 car.


Now a worthwhile discussion that needs to be had is about the mod class. Whats the thoughts? I don't like the looks of the wedge bodies, but a side dam doesn't bother me. I would vote run the dodc rules (approved body list), buggy tires, side dams, open batteries/motors/esc's.

[BigT]

Matt, Dodc all the way, body list, limit side dam size,and 5000mah battery so if you wanted to run 6 min mains you could.

[rcdrtrcr]

I was as minit21 stated upset. But now am ok and my late model is set up as a legal 13.5. I have sold both tekin rs pro and mamba max pro. I will race it here and there and concentrate on mod sprint class. It will be a time killer class at the big 4 track races. I now see what the track owners were seeing.

[MK Race]

Just like MiniT21 said, 3 cars make a class. I'm not thrilled with the rules they are talking about for Mod Latemodel. I don't want to start a class to run every week, just something to get guys together once or twice a month. I just want to bring out an old car and run the stuff that I want(open class), with the body, side dam, and tires that I want. I plan on running it in the Open Class at Maryville.

soccerstud5, you want the rules so people that have DODC cars that might show won't have to change things. What about the guys that already ran the class with the rules that would fit their cars from last year? You want them to buy speedos to run the class that they ran last year?

I think they are still talking about having another rules meeting soon.

Back to the Cave.

[low81ryder]

Ok guys we should have the WCIDOS rules posted this week. We are building a WCIDOS web site and it should be done this week. All the rules that will posted were agreed on by all track owners and promoters.Were gonna have another meeting for Maryville track. If not this week next week. Thanks guys........Mouse

[Eugene Ryder]

What about the guys that already ran the class with the rules that would fit their cars from last year? You want them to buy speedos to run the class that they ran last year?


Did anyone run a Tekin RS last year in the 13.5 class? wondering?

[MiniT21]

I know i ran one in Dustin's car that last race... but that was only one race. It also wasn't my car....

[ed gaines]

It looks like Big Bills is using the four track series for all the classes,so do we have any dodc tracks anymore?

[ToKeN]

i ran a tekin last year in my 13.5 latemodel.why is everyone concerned about what speed controller to use cause in that class most the time u have to back down just to keep from spinning out i dont see any advantage on speedos with street trac tires.

[jenzorace]

I didnt see a esc rule for 13.5 latemodel. WooHoo!!! The 13.5 sprint has esc limits, and a tire rule????? I dont see these tires working well on a duffy track. Looks like i wont be running 13.5 sprint, thats the class i wanted to run.:confused:

[low81ryder]

Must of been an error. the ESC's are gonna be the same for 13.5 LM and 13.5 Sprints. Least that we all agreed on at the meeting we had. Cyas......Mouse

[ed gaines]

I didnt see a esc rule for 13.5 latemodel. WooHoo!!! The 13.5 sprint has esc limits, and a tire rule????? I dont see these tires working well on a duffy track. Looks like i wont be running 13.5 sprint, thats the class i wanted to run.:confused:

Jenzo look here for the rules.

http://www.bigbillsrcraceway.com/race_info.html

[jenzorace]

Must of been an error. the ESC's are gonna be the same for 13.5 LM and 13.5 Sprints. Least that we all agreed on at the meeting we had. Cyas......Mouse
Damn!!!:mad: Maybe you wont cme.

[BigT]

........

[ToKeN]

gay speed controller rule:thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdow n::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown: :thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::t humbsdown::thumbsdown:

[MiniT21]

I didnt see a esc rule for 13.5 latemodel. WooHoo!!! The 13.5 sprint has esc limits, and a tire rule????? I dont see these tires working well on a duffy track. Looks like i wont be running 13.5 sprint, thats the class i wanted to run.:confused:

Last year the double dee's were my fluffy track tire. They worked great at maryville when the track had all the fluff, and i'd say it tends to have the most out of the 4 tracks. But if your gonna allow the best tires (inside jobs) why not allow them all?



To the track owners, you might want to rethink the ni-mh rule in the 13.5 classes, there are some pretty stout ni-mh's that will blow away the 3200 28c smc pack.... JMO.


Also i see you have the same wing rules posted as last year? does that mean we are not running the dodc rules like was said or can we run the CW wing?

Man i keep finding more things, GEARBOX tranny in mod late model? why? if you feel your outmotored by a DD car, put more motor in it....

[jenzorace]

Dont have or run double dees. Dont matter anyhow.

[RimRida35]

boy i dont know much about R/C cars but this is like NASCAR.....

Matt if i decide to buy one of these late models ill just have you make it go fast. Sound good?

[MiniT21]

Got ya covered tyler... :thumbsup:

[low81ryder]

The WCIS rules you see on Big Bills page has errors. Some are not correct. I talked to Bill, he will be correcting them when he gets back in town. I will be posting the WCIS rules tonight or tomorrow. Have to spell check them if i dont Jimbo be all over it. Cyas.....Mouse

[BigT]

[quote=RimRida35;382580]boy i dont know much about R/C cars but this is like NASCAR.....

Yes it is, so much for a hobby?

[overlandovalracer]

The WCIS rules you see on Big Bills page has errors. Some are not correct. I talked to Bill, he will be correcting them when he gets back in town. I will be posting the WCIS rules tonight or tomorrow. Have to spell check them if i dont Jimbo be all over it. Cyas.....Mouse

I'm eagerly awaiting the "official posting" of all the rules. Mouse, I'll gladly ignore the gramatical errors/misspelling to help expidite the posting of said rules. I had a similar opinion as many others, why not just run DODC rules & leave well enough alone? Then again, WCIPS allows SMC 3200 28c packs & Novak 13.5 motors instead of making racers buy the DODC "tagged" items that are the same thing. Point being is the 2 sanctioning bodies ARE NOT the same, there will be plenty of stupid rules,(more of those than ones that make sense), but that's the nature of the beast. Make the damn rules, try to put some thought into the rules package before you post them, & lets get the cars togather so we can race already :checkeredflag:

[rccars4scott]

Why not have a rules meeting where things can be talked about? Oh wait, there has been 1 meeting already. How many of you guys were there?

Is this is about the 13.5 latemodel class? How many of you guys ran the class last year?

How would people like it if they ran a class basicly with the same guys for a year or 2 and had a good time racing with those rules, then have guys who haven't run the class, who want to decide the rules?

If this is about the speedo ruling I think the guys did the right thing about it. If they allowed the new speedos with what they can do, then the guys that ran the class last year will have to buy new speedos just to race and not be lap traffic. I have seen the new ones run on carpet and the old ones don't come close to what the new ones can do.

Quit the bitchin, run the rules, and have fun.

+1 Mr Kelm you are wise beyond your years (which is saying something). Perhaps it would make sense to listen to someone who has seen this hobby go full circle once already.

Smilin' Jim, give me a quick grammer check here.

[js1]

I think it would be a good idea to run the DODC rules package for the 13.5 classes. This is a growing class that is competetive. If its run with a nation wide rules package, people from other cities and or states may and or will come to race. Thats why the dodc rules were wrote. So yes, run dodc rules for all classes this year and see what happens. See if the classes grow in this area. Get people from Rochester Mn., from Wisconsin, Indiana, etc... Having a track spec tire is ok. Its stated in the dodc rules.

[Denez]

:thumbsup:

[AJS]

I can see this from both sides, but I'm not sure if most of the racers understand how much advantage there is from the Mamba and the Tekin V203, it almost like stepping up one whole motor, I would guess that a 13.5 with either of these would be more like running a 10.5.

In some cases it probably is not quite as noticeable on dirt, but if you hit the setup WOW.

This class is suppose to offer slower speeds with an open speed control, they won't be slow at all.

I also understand the guys with tekins being unhappy, they were legal last year and with the old software they are comparable to what is being allowed by the owner, but it then becomes a tech issue, do you want to have to tech every tekin after each race to make sure they are not using V203?

If it is a matter of not having a GTB I have 2 for sale $75.00 each.

[AJS]

I will add one more thing, I do think that using dodc rules makes life simpler for everyone. I wish that the dodc would have taken a stand on the speed control issue, then this argument wouldn't exist.

In my opinion all the new super speed controls do is make more money for the manufactures and doesn't help the racers, I know you can't stop technology, but powers to be should have tried to protect the slower classes. The only reason the AE Black diamond was not allowed is because of the cost and lack of availability.

[ed gaines]

dodc does have a rule on esc,and tekin is legal.

[MK Race]

So how many guys have the DODC Spec Legal batteries and motors already?

[dirt25]

i have got the battery gtb and motor from putnam

[suprcop67]

So how many guys have the DODC Spec Legal batteries and motors already?


i dont have them and i wont as long as we can run the class without stickered batteries and motors.

[suprcop67]

i have got the battery gtb and motor from putnam

unless it is a novak motor it isnt legal

[MK Race]

To be DODC Legal, doesn't it have to have the DODC sticker?

[suprcop67]

To be DODC Legal, doesn't it have to have the DODC sticker?

since the illinois series isnt technically a dodc class since the class really started before the dodc rules. we never had to get the stickered motors and batteries. we still run the same novak motors and smc batteries as the stickered stuff without having to go buy new ones.

[MK Race]

Hey Matt, remember when you used to run a 4300 motor in your sprint car? You ran pretty good with it. Now just imagine that you can run that 4300 and set your Tekin to have the timing pickup as you go down the straight. You'll have that 4300 power right off the turn and have 8.5 power come in as you go down the straight. All you need is a $160 speedo, $40 hotwire to link the speedo up to your $400 laptop. Let's say 3 of the DODC approved batteries, and a DODC approved motor. Makes those $75 GTBs look pretty cheap.

[MK Race]

since the illinois series isnt technically a dodc class since the class really started before the dodc rules. we never had to get the stickered motors and batteries. we still run the same novak motors and smc batteries as the stickered stuff without having to go buy new ones.


Looks like some of the guys want to run the DODC rules though.

[soccerstud5]

I have the dodc motor and batteries but I just did that to b safe since i had to buy it any ways i figured i might as well get it like that.

[MK Race]

Well, back into the cave, see you all this spring.

[suprcop67]

the series rule have been posted

http://www.allensrccars.com/wcis/wcis_rules.htm (http://www.allensrccars.com/wcis/wcis_rules.htm)

[soccerstud5]

I was just saying what i had. I just want to race and have a good time i mean i could have the tekin speedo and everyone else have the gtb and i would still get smoked. Like i said lets go racing and have a good time.

i dont want to come off sounding like an a$$ to anyone in this thread but my racing budget is very limited. i have myself and 2 sons that race. i dont want to have to go buy stickered batteries and motors when what i already have is the same exact thing. i guess the rules will be whatever they decide on and if i want to race i will abide by them. there are people posting here that have not been in the series let alone raced in the latemodel class. don't get me wrong i welcome anyone that wants to join in the fun. i just dont want people that have not been in the class or the series whining until the rules get changed to suit them when the drivers that have competed in the class for 2 years dont have a choice but to go spend money to be legal and competitive. maybe i will start another thread about wing questions to distract everyone from the speed control deal.

[DQbeck63]

I was just saying what i had. I just want to race and have a good time i mean i could have the tekin speedo and everyone else have the gtb and i would still get smoked. Like i said lets go racing and have a good time.

Im with you tim..im ready to go racing. I have the dodc stickered batteries, but just because i got a great deal on them...my motor isnt stickered. I really wouldnt care which way the rules were...i would race the class either way but i agree with the guys that have been running the class for 2 years that it isnt fair for the guys who are new to the class to come in and say how the rules r...I figured if i was gonna race the class I was gonna abide by the rules they had in place...not come in and gripe and complain for them to change there rules to suit me.. But i can see where both sides are coming from...JMO

[MiniT21]

Mike.... 10.5's and 8.5's were sooo 2 years ago.... Its 4.5 this year! :D

[Denez]

Im with you tim..im ready to go racing. I have the dodc stickered batteries, but just because i got a great deal on them...my motor isnt stickered. I really wouldnt care which way the rules were...i would race the class either way but i agree with the guys that have been running the class for 2 years that it isnt fair for the guys who are new to the class to come in and say how the rules r...I figured if i was gonna race the class I was gonna abide by the rules they had in place...not come in and gripe and complain for them to change there rules to suit me.. But i can see where both sides are coming from...JMO
The problem is without dodc uniformed rules people from other states will stay away as stated. I am one that run tekin now to run the lm class I have to buy a new speedo now I'm undcided on running this class . so now we are saying were gripeing and complain is not fair just have a dodc specless 3 cars is a class . as far as the wcis you only have 1 race at your track (thats 1 day per year) good luck on expanding the hobby :thumbsup:

[ed gaines]

I keep hearing about (us guys) changing the rules for the 2 guys that raced lm last year. I see the result have no LM,Plus they don't even offer the class under there 2009 rules/regs.:confused:

[jenzorace]

This kicked me in the azz to. I need new speedos. But im not buying outdated equipment. In a couple of weeks i will have dodc batterys and motors for sale. Its only 4 races.

[BigT]

That's right its only 4 races. I'll be at Jtec for those.

[rcdrtrcr]

WOW, I know I had the same problem , I got a new latemodel, servo, battery, motor, and esc to run 13.5 late model because it looked fun. I found out my NEW tekin rs pro was illegal. I was mad at first but realized they were the rules and if I wanted to race I had to abide, so I sold my tekin and bought a used lrp to be legal and can say I am ready to race 13.5 late model and mod sprint and can not wait for spring to get here..

Jeremy

[CShearburn]

Mike.... 10.5's and 8.5's were sooo 2 years ago.... Its 4.5 this year! :D


Matt, 4.5's were soooooo one year ago. Its 3.5 hooked to an ESC with 4th gear and a flux capacitor this year! :thumbsup: :revs:

[MiniT21]

Matt, 4.5's were soooooo one year ago. Its 3.5 hooked to an ESC with 4th gear and a flux capacitor this year! :thumbsup: :revs:


Man... can i get a pm telling me how to continue driving the car when it goes back to the future or past... or wherever it ends up. Then i'll try that setup....

[jenzorace]

As of yesterday 13.5 latemodel is the faster than mod sprint at B&J Feb freeze.

[suprcop67]

Matt, 4.5's were soooooo one year ago. Its 3.5 hooked to an ESC with 4th gear and a flux capacitor this year! :thumbsup: :revs:


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