13.5 EDM Roll Call 1/23

[irocz69]

Looking to see who is interested in running 13.5 EDM's this Saturday. Last week there were 9 of us & it was a good day of racing :thumbsup: Lets see if we can keep this going till the Freeze !

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S.

[k-clark]

If I'm not working,I'm in! Love the EDM class...

[shmeedel]

Looking to see who is interested in running 13.5 EDM's this Saturday. Last week there were 9 of us & it was a good day of racing :thumbsup: Lets see if we can keep this going till the Freeze !

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S.

As always I'm in!!

[irocz69]

Just spoke w/ Gil & he's in also :thumbsup: Come on guys, could use a few more ! I know there out there :D We had a blast last week:revs:

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S.

[siggy99x]

Sorry Motorsports show this weekend and Lauryn's car is in it with the RAACE foundation see you next week!!

[k-clark]

Just spoke w/ Gil & he's in also :thumbsup: Come on guys, could use a few more ! I know there out there :D We had a blast last week:revs:

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S.


It's great racin' !!!

[irocz69]

Sorry Motorsports show this weekend and Lauryn's car is in it with the RAACE foundation see you next week!!

Next week is cool. Have fun @ motorsports show.

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S.

[WADE ROWLEY]

Looking to see who is interested in running 13.5 EDM's this Saturday. Last week there were 9 of us & it was a good day of racing :thumbsup: Lets see if we can keep this going till the Freeze !

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S.


i will be there....:thumbsup:


:checkeredflag:

[Richie95]

Question......Is the electric EDM class dying down there?

[screamingeagle]

Question......Is the electric EDM class dying down there?
it is really making a comeback here the past coup;e of weeks because the racing is much cleaner than late model. personally I would rather drive late model but in the words of the famous iroc69 "it is what it is"

[paul dietrich]

I would but I'm inKuwait doing Army things.

[irocz69]

I would but I'm inKuwait doing Army things.

Hey, stay safe over there & know we appreciate everything you guys do for us :thumbsup:
The racing will still be here when you get back :revs:

Take Care,

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S.

[DaBearsNo13]

Question......Is the electric EDM class dying down there?


It has not been "alive" down for quite a few years now. The PANT got interest generated a few years ago with a class on the tour, but it had been slowly dissapating since then. With B&J there seems to be a revitalization occuring, & this is a great thing! I am hoping that the growth continues & generates a mod EDM class, as that is what I would like to run. My car is not ready yet, or I would be out supporting the 13.5 class to help numbers grow, because electric EDM's are fun.

Take care,
Russ

[signman501]

The Late Models really took a lot away from the EDM's. I do like the EDM cars and really like running them. I know that the PANT really can't run anymore classes and I don't think there are enough electric cars for an electric tour so we do what we have to. It's not like NY where the EDM is the top of the line. This is bigger Sprint & Late Model country at the 1:1 tracks. There are Modifieds but not as big as therre used to be.

[rj14]

Question......Is the electric EDM class dying down there?

It has not been "alive" down for quite a few years now. The PANT got interest generated a few years ago with a class on the tour, but it had been slowly dissapating since then. With B&J there seems to be a revitalization occuring, & this is a great thing! I am hoping that the growth continues & generates a mod EDM class, as that is what I would like to run. My car is not ready yet, or I would be out supporting the 13.5 class to help numbers grow, because electric EDM's are fun.

Take care,
Russ


Russ,

If you remember, the winter before the Tour ran the EDM's, there was 20+ stock EDM's running @ Bumps. The field was starting to get mixed w/ 13.5's and there was a strong following. But when the season started none of them came out to race. Slowly a few more showed up but then by the end of the season the #'s started to dwindle. Then over the winter the LM #'s exploded. I think what we had was a group of NY racers coming down during the winter helping our #'s but when the spring came around they weren't traveling with the series. Seems to me the NY support is now splintered between 2 series and doesn't get the same warm weather support it does during the winter.

I would love to see the EDM's come back.....but I think the esc wars will even hurt the LM's. I know I won't be running anymore electric until I can afford a new esc because my current one isn't competetive in 13.5 trim. Plus there may be some uncertainty soon because the time table will expire on our current DODC equipment. So without knowing what will happen at the end of this year I have a hard time commiting to fresh equipment not knowing if it will change next year.

I am in a tough situation now because of this....do I commit to further development and test work on current equipment or do I sit on what I already know until I know what next year will bring. My long awaited Mojo Juice (TM) is almost ready, so only time will tell what happens.

[DaBearsNo13]

That is why I want to run mod...Open Mod! Then your speedo will not matter so much.
It will be like running nitro, just less mess & you can run anywhere indoor w/o the fumes. :thumbsup:

The 13.5's can stay in LM, this will keep it a "starter" class IMO. Less breakage & the body rules are very simple.

[rj14]

I say let us run for points w/ the nitro cars.....:D:D

[DaBearsNo13]

I say let us run for points w/ the nitro cars.....:D:D


Noooo....because those are the two clases I like to run, I can't run them both at the same time!! ;)

[rj14]

Noooo....because those are the two clases I like to run, I can't run them both at the same time!! ;)

looks like you need to practice more!! lol!!

[bumps and jumps rc]

That is why I want to run mod...Open Mod! Then your speedo will not matter so much.
It will be like running nitro, just less mess & you can run anywhere indoor w/o the fumes. :thumbsup:

The 13.5's can stay in LM, this will keep it a "starter" class IMO. Less breakage & the body rules are very simple.

I agree with russ
I think the 13.5's are so fast with the new esc's that mod is only a couple laps faster.
Ok truth is I am just trying to sell it cause it's a heck of a lot easier to tech :D

[signman501]

Mod is OK with me. I'm not into 3.5 or 4.5 but I don't mind running with a 6.5 if they don't mind running around me. I'll just buy a Ballistic and change it as I think I can keep up. Like you said, it is easier to tech and you don't have to worry about trick ecs'.

[rj14]

A 13.5 w/ a good set-up has been proven to be just as fast as a mod at Bumps...seeing as I watched one bump-up.

At LA Speedway and Bumps a 13.5 will be very competetive w/ any mod on the track. The other tracks you might need a good 10.5 to not get run over though.

[signman501]

But SPEED is where it's at. I just can't buy all the parts I need when I go too fast.

[irocz69]

Here we go w/the tech & mod thing again. I think for now 13.5 EDM is what we need to build the class back up. Now thats not to say I wouldn't mind running something like a 10.5 EDM class, but we need to get people interested again first, & I think w/all the DODC equipment out there, 13.5 is the best way to do that.

I know people don't like to hear this, but the LM class has been getting really rough ! I do however, feel it is better for a racer to get involved w/a full bodied car, then an open wheel car.

Who knows Glenn, the way things are looking w/the HUGE comeback of electric, there just might be enough to start an electric tour. It has worked in the past & I really don't think it is that far down the road.

Brock & Jeff run a pretty efficent show, but if the electric keeps growing the way it is, then the shows will get later to finish & I think there long enough as it is. Id love to see a series like Lee Toyer & the boys had start again :thumbsup:

Just some food for thought :confused:

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S.

[bumps and jumps rc]

Two tours - sounds like one to many roosters in the hen house.
With the amount of work it requires and the lack of income on there part - I just don't see anyone dedicated enough to do it, at least with the amount of effort that is required to do it successfully.
The electric is growing but nitro is also slowing declining.
Look at the signups for both the openeheel and the freeze - they are both at or above 50/50 electric to nitro - last year was about 70% nitro and two years ago about 85% nitro
The car counts are close to the same, just to prove my point.
If there were two separate tours it would certainly hurt both electric and nitro, due to the fact that half of the electric drivers also run nitro.
Just my .02

[signman501]

I understand what you say Chris. I don't think there is enough cars & people to run two tours. And there are to many classes with mod & 13.5, as well as open & limited nitro. You'd be running an OW type race with that many classes, way to much. I think we should just run what we have now because it has worked the last couple years and I don't see it dropping off much this year.

[siggy99x]

The IRS which was the original touring series in PA worked for many years and it was an electric only tour and it would work again.
17.5 LM
13.5 EDM
10.5 or open Sprint Cars

[Teamt2c]

hmm..... what about us that want to run both classes, Nitro and Electric. It would make us(me) pick which series i wanted to dedicate the most time too as far as scheduling goes.

As for EDM cars just Go MOD, Spec should be left to the 4 classes that have it now.

we have
sprint, late model in both electric and nitro.

AND EDM's handle a lot better anyways and could use the power.

As for the Late Model Class being rough, I do not see it, from where am i at. I do not see it being any rougher then any other classes. I think the big difference is there are more new comers. But examples show some of the new comers going really fast! and some alot faster then the people that have been doing it for awhile. which could be moving people into lower mains that they were not used to before. Electric is growing so that could be the case.

The only thing I think I would like to see is a slower class for the real beginner. If you check the PA nitro 2009 season there was no real time difference in any of the classes. now with the new Speedo Technology advancing so quickly, 13.5 " Spec" Late model could see an additional 1-3 laps added to it. Perfect example was a " New comer" at the open wheel running almost 62 laps. And I think was on a 64 lap pace in the dash for cash.

That doesn't seem like a "Rough" & " Beginners" Class to me.

Ok so Back to the basics:

The Bigger the series= brings more racers! So i think it shouldn't be split into Electric and nitro. Maybe reduce the current classes that are being run to speed up the show and make for large classes ( I am going to get shot for that one)

Or if it was a option; what about Saturday nitro and Sunday electric ( some places may have noise ordnance on Sundays)

most of all if you want REAL NEWCOMERS then there is a Need a Real Beginners Class ( Maybe a 13.5 Late model 1 cell) that way they only have to purchase a battery to move up to 13.5 spec LM)


Again This is just ideas, and it Doesn't mean Anything, nor am i pushing for anything, and do not take it that way! I think dirt oval is great I have done my best to encourage more racers to try it. and maybe the " if it ain't broke don't fix it" should apply.

[TBRC1]

I agree with with T2c on the rough factor in late model .............and other classes. It was just this past summer at Staubs I watched a EDM clas go from a full starting grid to 2 or 3 finishers. WHY rough driving wrecks and ALOT of broken cars. I mean by the end of the main the infield looked like a small version of the Staub's salvage yard. I have seen the same thing in nitro trucks and sprints so any class can be rough.

As for the beginner class either the one cell idea OR a set gearing range. Something like 2 different spur sizes and 3 different pinions. Just another idea for the newbies.

[Teamt2c]

I agree with with T2c on the rough factor in late model .............and other classes. It was just this past summer at Staubs I watched a EDM clas go from a full starting grid to 2 or 3 finishers. WHY rough driving wrecks and ALOT of broken cars. I mean by the end of the main the infield looked like a small version of the Staub's salvage yard. I have seen the same thing in nitro trucks and sprints so any class can be rough.

As for the beginner class either the one cell idea OR a set gearing range. Something like 2 different spur sizes and 3 different pinions. Just another idea for the newbies.

No i would say no to the gear rule, then it becomes a tire war.

[siggy99x]

1 cell is not the way to go then you need rec. packs, boosters, regulators etc. and it just opens a whole new can of worms a 21.5 or 17.5 would be the best only thing to change then is a motor

[Teamt2c]

40.00 1 cell pack verses a 90.00 motor is what i was thinking and receiver packs are only 20.00


so it is still 30.00 less

[siggy99x]

But then you need to buy a 90 battery to move up and what will you do with the one cell and rec pack? Also the car will handle the same with running the 2s lipos so everything you learn about set ups will still be useful with the bigger motor.

[Teamt2c]

But then you need to buy a 90 battery to move up and what will you do with the one cell and rec pack? Also the car will handle the same with running the 2s lipos so everything you learn about set ups will still be useful with the bigger motor.


you can get used ones and used 13.5's The 21.5 are useless and unsellable in any other form of racing. So i wouldn't go that way. I have 4 21.5's new in the box. and cant give them away.

[siggy99x]

You can get used 17.5's too guess will see what happens

[Teamt2c]

again, i wasnt saying it should be, I just saying a maybe.

[siggy99x]

Same here buddy a lot of good ideas

[irocz69]

Well, I see this post has lost it's purpose, so here goes !

First of all, I NEVER said we PRESENTLY need an electric tour. I said the way electric was growing that "down the road" it could be an option again !

Second, Mod is not always the answer ! The previous EDM class was a stock class & there is no reason why 13.5 shouldn't be run. Yes, they are easier to drive than a LM, but look @ the Mod Sprints on the tour. It's "rough" also & i've heard "many" drivers complain about it ALL SUMMER !

NOW, for my final thought ! This "OLD FART" must need glasses, because if y'all don't think the 13.5 LM class is "rough" then im watching the wrong races, but im not the only one that has made that observation ! As for being in the lower mains, yes I was in 13.5 LM, but I made the 13.5 Sprint main & would have made the 13.5 EDM main if I wouldn't of been taken out by a runaway car in a qualifyer. So, the theory of being bumped to the lower mains, because of faster newcomers isnt a fair assumption. Yes, my LM was a " bag" but that doesn't make me a hasbeen !

Reason for this thread was to get more racers to run EDM's again. PERIOD ! THANKS FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT !

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S.

[terry14]

there are many ways to start a beginers class, all of which have good and bad points. something to consider is what brings a newcomer to the track in the first place. it is easy to assume that they will be able to afford to buy a new car to race dirt oval, even a used one is expensive. what about the young kids that face the challenge of convincing mom and dad to invest all this money? the first time i took my son to watch me race he asked to take his duratrax buggy along to run in the parking lot so he didn't get bored. when the track owner noticed him with it he asked me if he was racing it? i said no just playing around with it. he went over to my son, talked with him and the next thing i knew i was putting foam tires on it so he could race that night. he raced in the novice class. no rules other than lap times and track owner descrecion. he took second in the main and was instantly "hooked". if it weren't for george (l.a. speedway) doing what he did my son may not be racing today. i tried to get him to race before, but he was intimidated by the speed and the "experienced" drivers. he is continuing to get better, and is now running 13.5 late model, and nitro truck. those two classes seem to be the best for beginers. my point is that most people are interested in rc cars BEFORE they are interested in dirt oval. why not let them run what they brung untill they turn the lap times to move up. the hobby gained a racer, the hobby shops have made money :D, and my son is happy. just something to think about.

[Teamt2c]

hmm ok, NP I am not the expert.

[staatsbmxkid]

for beginner class if needed make it a 13.5 "sportsman" and not allow them to run motor timing. trust me did that for one round of qualifying with my 17.5 and i could almost run the track faster here (small track 70') but def like seeing the large comeback of the edms. look at the list for the freeze 13.5 edm is largest class. or was last i looked.

as far as on the tour. i plan to run nitro edm and limited sprint on the pa.n.t. and if 13.5edm did make it onto the list it would just mean im grabbing that car off shelf aswell as i walked out the door. mod edm is still a small class with to many options for people to want to afford at this point. im running it at freeze for track time and to get used to my car more. but im running my 13.5 car.... or duplicate of it with larger battery (havent decided yet).

anyway excited for the freeze lets see the edms prosper:thumbsup::beer:

[Todd Putnam]

Not sure if it was on this thread or another, discussing how to make the EDM classes more popular for the PA races.

I thought the current Freeze entries were interesting:

-Largest class totals (most popular classes) are the (3) 13.5 DODC classes.
-Most entries in 13.5 DODC classes = 13.5 EDM.
-Most entries in any class (elec or nitro) = 13.5 EDM
-Nitro EDM has only 1 less entry than Nitro LM and Nitro Sprint (which is actually equal once Dan Gill's entry is reflected)

Good info to look at - :thumbsup: (entry total are listed at the bottom of the page)

http://www.bumpsandjumpsrc.com/freeze2010/online%20posted%20entry.htm

[irocz69]

Not sure if it was on this thread or another, discussing how to make the EDM classes more popular for the PA races.

I thought the current Freeze entries were interesting:

-Largest class totals (most popular classes) are the (3) 13.5 DODC classes.
-Most entries in 13.5 DODC classes = 13.5 EDM.
-Most entries in any class (elec or nitro) = 13.5 EDM
-Nitro EDM has only 1 less entry than Nitro LM and Nitro Sprint (which is actually equal once Dan Gill's entry is reflected)

Good info to look at - :thumbsup: (entry total are listed at the bottom of the page)

http://www.bumpsandjumpsrc.com/freeze2010/online%20posted%20entry.htm

Absolutly correct ! I also noticed this, but the problem is getting enough of them to run our weekly shows. I definatly have been the advocate, @ least @ Bumps , to revive them. So far the turnouts have been enough to run a heat or 2, which is a good start.

I have gotten positive feedback from the racers trying EDM for the first time & I believe that, in turn, will help the class grow again. I know some people think 13.5 is a stock class, but let me tell ya, with the technology, it's nothing like 27 turn was. At Bumps a few weeks ago, I ran w/the Nitro EDM's on a track that DIDN'T get black that day & won w/57laps.

Guess my point is, i've enjoyed running the so called "Stock" classes because I feel its the closest & most competitive class in DODC. The EDM's are on a comeback in DO & it does my heart good :thumbsup:


GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S.

[TBRC1]

T2c did not even think about the tire thing.........I should have remembered that from the ledgends days.

Siggy has a point about the battery ( 1 cell versus 2 cell) so maybe for a beginners class we use the 21.5 and the rest based on the DODC rules.

It seems to me that with a beginners class we could get more racers into the hobby/sport. It's a win win situation for all. Shops and tracks get new customers and racers. We (the reacers) get to see our hobby/sport grow and survive.

One other thing is we as racers need to help the new guy out as much as possible. I know there are those out there that do this YET there are those who want to keep everything to themselves. A positive example is a newbie on here Delljr is looking into DO. Myself and Mike Rienhardt offered him the chance to run one of mike's late models. Thus he get's to try some practice laps OR a whole night or racing for next to nothing in cash out of pocket.
Now on the negative side 4 yrs ago when I tried to get into dirt oval I heard more yelling and screaming about my car on the track. Keep in ind NO ONE offered any help. So what happened I parked the car and almost sold it. Now this time around help and pointers were offered and (yes even asked for) and I feel I am doing alot better.

[Todd Putnam]

Here's a few ideas for the PA guys, based on what we have found to be successfull up here in NY.

-13.5 DODC is our "Big Block" class - for advanced drivers.

-We also offer 17.5 DODC " Small Block" class. This is for our less skilled drivers. Same premise as DODC 13.5: DODC badged Novak 17.5 SS. I have always stated that 13.5 is too fast for the slowest class regardless of track size, and now with the new speed control software, it is even faster. 17.5 = 27 turns, 13.5's = 19 turns (before new software). Both the WDRA and our local tracks run the 17.5 Small Block classes, and they are the largest classes for both local tracks and the WDRA.

-We utilize the DODC 3200/28C Battery for both. Less for the shops/racers to buy, the battery can "graduate" up the ranks with the driver as skill level increases, (no need to buy another pack to move up) and lots of the same used equipment available for everyone regardless of class.

-We are considering limiting speed control software for the 17.5 Small Block Classes, ie: no CHEAT function for Mamba's and no 203 software for Tekins. Limiting software also keeps LRP and Novak speed controls competitive with the Tekins and Mambas.

Good discussion so far, lots of good ideas. :thumbsup:

[WADE ROWLEY]

I have 4 21.5's new in the box. and cant give them away.

if you are giving them away, i will take them. :thumbsup::ha:

look what you started keith! had a great time yesterday!

for the off topic portion:
my 2 cents, too many rules and too many classes turn racers off and dilute the entries. put together a program and stick to it. the best racing i have participated in during the past year (up until the new "cheat" esc thing) is DODC, where anyone could race with the "big" boys if they had a good setup and were patient. it is unfortunate that we can not be satisfied with just good ole down and dirty racing, may the best man (or woman) win on a given night. i guess there is always going to be those that can not race unless they have or find the "cheat of the week" which, in my opinion, is the real problem with our hobby.


:checkeredflag:

[staatsbmxkid]

i agree. if we spec the speedo and spec the tire all thats left is the chassis. and when everyone realizes the putnam car is running away by laps then that to will be spec'd. so i say enjoy the motor and batt savings. spend the extra 10bucks on the tekin over the lrp or on the mamba over the novak and enjoy free updates and all the speed of the rest of it. or enjoy the 150dollar savings over the ae black diamond lol. but anyway i think its made racing affordable and tollerable to when u can afford to have a tire stash and buy a speedo a year if its needed (im on original tekin and dodc batt i got last winter) and hopefully i can see you guys down there to race real soon on a local race night to just enjoy it with ya

[irocz69]

Well, T.P., Wade, & Darrin, ALL have some very good ideas. I really like the idea of limiting the ESC , but I think it could be utilized w/using the 13.5 motor in a small block or beginner class also. Then, when a racer is ready to move up to the Big Block or Expert class there is NO added expense to do so.

I know the reasoning behind the DODC rules, especially for 13.5 classes, was to keep cost down & I think that has been achived, but my hats off to Tekin & Castle also, for the software updates, so we don't have to buy a new ESC every other month.

Now, w/all this being said, another obstacle is, presently there is no SB or Beginner class. Also, unlike N.Y. EDM racing, we unfortunatly don't have the car count to justify 2 electric EDM classes. Maybe somewhere down the road this will be attainable. This is one of the reasons I am trying to revive the class.

As far as the "cheat of the week" ? Well, Wade, it's like this. The technology in this hobby & world are never going to stop, so this is something we have no control over, but to get back to basics, we can limit what a driver can do in certain classes, so they can learn & don't feel bullied by the "BIG DOGS'! I, like you, took my beatings running w/the best in this hobby & am proud of that !

T.P. is right, there are many good ideas on this thread & im glad to see its getting back to what this thread was intented for. MORE EDM RACERS ! 13.5 classes have been the #1 reason for the resurgence of the electric classes & I believe, if the EDM class continues to grow here in Pa. we can have a Small Block & Big Block class to accomodate the different levels of racers,

I also, want to take this oppurtunity to thank the N.Y. racers that came down to race w/us @ Bumps this weekend. I had a blast. See y'all @ the Freeze :thumbsup:

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S

[wildchild20]

Well, T.P., Wade, & Darrin, ALL have some very good ideas. I really like the idea of limiting the ESC , but I think it could be utilized w/using the 13.5 motor in a small block or beginner class also. Then, when a racer is ready to move up to the Big Block or Expert class there is NO added expense to do so.

I know the reasoning behind the DODC rules, especially for 13.5 classes, was to keep cost down & I think that has been achived, but my hats off to Tekin & Castle also, for the software updates, so we don't have to buy a new ESC every other month.

Now, w/all this being said, another obstacle is, presently there is no SB or Beginner class. Also, unlike N.Y. EDM racing, we unfortunatly don't have the car count to justify 2 electric EDM classes. Maybe somewhere down the road this will be attainable. This is one of the reasons I am trying to revive the class.

As far as the "cheat of the week" ? Well, Wade, it's like this. The technology in this hobby & world are never going to stop, so this is something we have no control over, but to get back to basics, we can limit what a driver can do in certain classes, so they can learn & don't feel bullied by the "BIG DOGS'! I, like you, took my beatings running w/the best in this hobby & am proud of that !

T.P. is right, there are many good ideas on this thread & im glad to see its getting back to what this thread was intented for. MORE EDM RACERS ! 13.5 classes have been the #1 reason for the resurgence of the electric classes & I believe, if the EDM class continues to grow here in Pa. we can have a Small Block & Big Block class to accomodate the different levels of racers,

I also, want to take this oppurtunity to thank the N.Y. racers that came down to race w/us @ Bumps this weekend. I had a blast. See y'all @ the Freeze :thumbsup:

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S

I agree with both you guys. Yes I am a fairly experienced drive but I am just getting back into it after 8 yrs of not racing and to have a so called small block class would b awesome just for me to get back into the swing of things especially set up. I'm getting there but not quick enough to keep up really right now. And my funds are slightly limited but I enjoy the hobby that's why I'm back. Its a great wold of people and its just plain old fun. Have a good one guys and I will be out to run at bumps this summer lookin forward to meetin everyone.

[rj14]

Keith is on the right track....

Right now we need to just get ONE EDM class strong. Obviously the current DODC rules are the easiest because it is an easy cross over from the LM's.

However I am torn....I do not like the idea of having to plug my car into a computer before racing to verify a spec set-up. It goes aginst the idea of buying a fully tuneable ESC. Plus makes pre-race tech a PIA!!!

[irocz69]

Keith is on the right track....

Right now we need to just get ONE EDM class strong. Obviously the current DODC rules are the easiest because it is an easy cross over from the LM's.

However I am torn....I do not like the idea of having to plug my car into a computer before racing to verify a spec set-up. It goes aginst the idea of buying a fully tuneable ESC. Plus makes pre-race tech a PIA!!!

I thought the same thing about teching the Small Block class & if we ever get to that point, I am willing to bring my laptop to the track & tech those speedo's. I have both the Tekin & Castle software downloaded. This isn't as big a deal as it would seem. If racers would cooperate, it could be done in about 10-15min before we start racing.

That is the only class that we would need to do this to. The BB or Experts can run whatever version they like ! So, RJ, this shouldn't effect you, unless you think you should be in the SB class :ha: J/K buddy .

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S.

[rj14]

that is the only class that we would need to do this to. The bb or experts can run whatever version they like ! So, rj, this shouldn't effect you, unless you think you should be in the sb class :ha: J/k buddy .

Go fast turn left ! Keith s.

hahaha!!!!

[screamingeagle]

I think we meed to get away from calling the sb class a beginner class. there are several experienced racers that sre just not comfortable running the insane speeds we are starting to reach and just want to race and there is nothing wrong with that. I think there needs to be a c hoice for racers and who knows, it may bring some racers back into the sport.

[irocz69]

I think we meed to get away from calling the sb class a beginner class. there are several experienced racers that sre just not comfortable running the insane speeds we are starting to reach and just want to race and there is nothing wrong with that. I think there needs to be a c hoice for racers and who knows, it may bring some racers back into the sport.

Gil, I agree, but we still need tracks to start the class & I think once there is enough EDM's showing up, then they will start.

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S.

[siggy99x]

still say lm 17.5 edm 13.5 sprint 10.5 or mod three classes is plenty

[TonyProCar]

still say lm 17.5 edm 13.5 sprint 10.5 or mod three classes is plenty
I agree with Luadan. My :twocents: I think 17.5 lm will slow the cars down just a tick 50 to 52 laps.

[wildchild20]

I thought the same thing about teching the Small Block class & if we ever get to that point, I am willing to bring my laptop to the track & tech those speedo's. I have both the Tekin & Castle software downloaded. This isn't as big a deal as it would seem. If racers would cooperate, it could be done in about 10-15min before we start racing.

That is the only class that we would need to do this to. The BB or Experts can run whatever version they like ! So, RJ, this shouldn't effect you, unless you think you should be in the SB class :ha: J/K buddy .

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S.

Hey guys if all goes well and my chassis gets here this week I'll be out to join ya's on sat. I am just gettin back into it and I was extremely surprised no one really runs them.. When I ran at kranzels when it was still dirt that's all you would see there.. But any way let's get it done I'm all about the EDMs coming back I also have a nitro I'm building into an EDM so hopefully I can get atleast one of them together in time for the freeze also.. Have a good one guys I'll be meetin ya's soon.. Race on....

[irocz69]

I agree with Luadan. My :twocents: I think 17.5 lm will slow the cars down just a tick 50 to 52 laps.

I agree w/you that a 17.5 will slow people down a few laps, but why, when were trying to bring EDM's back ,& wanting to save money @ the same time would we run 17.5 LM.

Like I said in a previous post. The EDM's are a little easier to drive, & if you limit the program thats allowed to run in the ESC's then the newcomers won't have to buy new equipment when there ready to move up.

We have enough LM's running as it is, so I don't think we need another LM class. I know the both of you are advocates for the LM's, but this is a thread to try & see if we can peak the intrest back into the EDM's & help people get started or back into the hobby.

Last, but not least, we still need our local tracks to start a class for the racers who would like to get involved in this hobby. That's what keeps us growing & helps the shops & tracks pay the bills.

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S.

[irocz69]

Hey guys if all goes well and my chassis gets here this week I'll be out to join ya's on sat. I am just gettin back into it and I was extremely surprised no one really runs them.. When I ran at kranzels when it was still dirt that's all you would see there.. But any way let's get it done I'm all about the EDMs coming back I also have a nitro I'm building into an EDM so hopefully I can get atleast one of them together in time for the freeze also.. Have a good one guys I'll be meetin ya's soon.. Race on....

Jason, glad to here your making a comeback. Im sure if you need any help, Anyone of the members, well most of them, on this thread, are more than willing to help !

GOOD LUCK :thumbsup: See Ya @ the track !

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S.

[siggy99x]

You missed the whole idea no reason for two classes of the same style car If you run lm its a 17.5 ,EDM 13.5 sprint 10.5 or mod thats it three classes no reason for anything else

[signman501]

I do like what Lauden is saying. Run LM-17.5 to slow them down some and get some control. EDM-13.5 it is a comfortable class and they need some more speed. Sprint-10.5 or mod. LM is a comfortable class to get started with and if you start with them with a slower motor it may help more beginners to start there. You have to change motors or batteries and if you stay with DODC parts it's $90 for motors or batteries. The esc situation will settle soon and if you buy a good one you shouldn't have much problem. Racing costs money and if you want to save money you need to do something else. Any type of racing is not for folks that don't want to spend money.
I know that we are way off where this thread started. Electric is really picking up but we don't need 6 classes weekly. With todays brushless motors there is no stock & mod like the old days, they all run different speeds.

[irocz69]

You missed the whole idea no reason for two classes of the same style car If you run lm its a 17.5 ,EDM 13.5 sprint 10.5 or mod thats it three classes no reason for anything else

NO ! I didn't miss anything my friend ! What would be missing, is a 13.5 LM class, which is one of the biggest classes in the country. Doesn't make sense to do away w/the class that brought electric back.

Going to 17.5 or ESC restrictions, in my opinion, is the best way to let the newcomers & even some of the current racers that aren't up to speed, get there track time to become better racers. To me a 17.5 just adds $$$$ to the already high cost of racing !

Yes, this hobby, no matter if you have been in it for years, or a newbee, is 'VERY EXPENSIVE' & there is no way around that, but we can curtail the cost, by not having to buy another, $90.00 motor to move up to the next level, when you can limit ESC programs to accomplish the same thing.

LOOK ! I know this is not going to be taken care of overnight, but w/out a place for people to start, we will not be seeing too many new racers. I know just in the last 2years that I have been back full time, I have heard & seen racers complain or quit because they couldn't keep up or getting yelled @ by a seasoned driver, who wish they had there own class to learn.

I started this thread to get EDM's back & don't mind some of the suggestions that people have come up w/but another class will not hurt anything. Especially if it brings new people or even people that have left, back into the hobby. Example: Bumps had approx 80-100 racers this past weekend & we ran 2heats & a main & got done @ 5:30. Now you tell me ,if we ran another 12 minutes w/in that day, what difference would it make.

Keep the input coming :thumbsup:, but remember to race your EDM'S :D

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S.

[JAC9]

Just something I've thought of, What about a break out class?
run anything you want from a slash,offroad buggy, dirtoval specific car nitro or electric, This would give someone a place to start and figure out there car as well as let people try it without purchasing new equipment. Maybe if they like it enough they will go buy a dirtoval specific car to get into the class they want to be in.

[siggy99x]

The break out racing may work Iseen that at a local carpet track a few weeks ago and it seemed pretty cool

[irocz69]

Just something I've thought of, What about a break out class?
run anything you want from a slash,offroad buggy, dirtoval specific car nitro or electric, This would give someone a place to start and figure out there car as well as let people try it without purchasing new equipment. Maybe if they like it enough they will go buy a dirtoval specific car to get into the class they want to be in.


Jeff, that is somewhat along the lines of a class we used to have in the Reading area years ago, but I think it was more feasable then because we were converting buggies into EDM's. Now you have such a big difference between ,like say the Slash, or buggy & DO specific cars, that im not sure that would help someone if they wanted to move up.

Plus, again, we have another expense of buying a $200-$300.00 buggy or whatever, to turn around & spend more money on a DO car. Im not saying your idea of a breakout class wouldn't work, but I think to better acclimate someone to run what they see & are excited to get into, it should be closer to what class they wanted to run in the first place.

To me, just looking on dirt oval, or even in the pits on race day, you can find a $200-$300.00 DO car, usually minus, radio, motor, esc, & battery. Now, if you add say $100 for a non-digital Spectrum radio, $180 for motor & battery & $130 for esc, you have approx. $720.00 wrapped up into a DO car that you can go race a breakout class w/and not have to worry about buying anything else or trying to sell your Slash or buggy for less then you paid for it.

Like I said earlier, I do agree we need some type of class to get people started, just what that should be is undetermined @ this point. Maybe w/all this discussion, something can be figured out. I just know if it were my money, I would rather buy something I can use when I want to move to a bigger or faster class.

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S.

[siggy99x]

With the new esc technology the lm with a 13.5 is no longer a good place for new people to start thats why i said 17.5 this gives the new person a driveable car with fenders so there not ripping the front end off every week. Sometimes the rules need t obe tweeked what looked good or even started out good sometimes is not best for the long haul. Some people will gripe but your going to have that no matter what in the big picture I think this is the best way to structure the electric racing. We don't want to end up like the real dirt cars at one time we had modifieds, sprint cars, latemodels, street stock.
Today we have BB Mods, 358 mods, sportsman mods and now crate mods and none of them at most tracks get full fields same with sprint you have 410,358/360,305 and lm is super lm,limited 358 lm, crate lm so at one time you had just three classes that is now 10 and the big tracks wonder why they cant get a full field of cars its crazy. And until the short track industry gets there divisions straightened out which will probably never happen you will continue to see 15 to 20 cars i nthe pits at your local track some of us especially here in our area are blessed with rather good car counts in most classes. But back to the rc thing if we keep have two or three classes of the same type of car we will never get full fields in any of them.

[JAC9]

Jeff, that is somewhat along the lines of a class we used to have in the Reading area years ago, but I think it was more feasable then because we were converting buggies into EDM's. Now you have such a big difference between ,like say the Slash, or buggy & DO specific cars, that im not sure that would help someone if they wanted to move up.

Plus, again, we have another expense of buying a $200-$300.00 buggy or whatever, to turn around & spend more money on a DO car. Im not saying your idea of a breakout class wouldn't work, but I think to better acclimate someone to run what they see & are excited to get into, it should be closer to what class they wanted to run in the first place.

To me, just looking on dirt oval, or even in the pits on race day, you can find a $200-$300.00 DO car, usually minus, radio, motor, esc, & battery. Now, if you add say $100 for a non-digital Spectrum radio, $180 for motor & battery & $130 for esc, you have approx. $720.00 wrapped up into a DO car that you can go race a breakout class w/and not have to worry about buying anything else or trying to sell your Slash or buggy for less then you paid for it.

Like I said earlier, I do agree we need some type of class to get people started, just what that should be is undetermined @ this point. Maybe w/all this discussion, something can be figured out. I just know if it were my money, I would rather buy something I can use when I want to move to a bigger or faster class.

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S.


I agree with you on that I'm not saying for people to buy a slash or buggy based car to get started but if they happen to pick one up cheap they still have a place to start before dropping the 700 or so to get into dirtoval. It also lets people try it that may be running something elsewhere wether it's a offroad buggy or 10th slider without having to purchase a new car. I was thinking mainly for people who want to try it out first then see if they like it. It also gives someone who bought a dirtoval car a place to start before jumping into the actual class that they fit into.

[irocz69]

I agree with you on that I'm not saying for people to buy a slash or buggy based car to get started but if they happen to pick one up cheap they still have a place to start before dropping the 700 or so to get into dirtoval. It also lets people try it that may be running something elsewhere wether it's a offroad buggy or 10th slider without having to purchase a new car. I was thinking mainly for people who want to try it out first then see if they like it. It also gives someone who bought a dirtoval car a place to start before jumping into the actual class that they fit into.

I understand what your saying now, but didn't Chris kinda try that w/making the Slash avail. for oval racing, & the 1/10th sliders would of been a perfect fit for someone looking to get started. Neither one of those ideas got off the ground ! Not that it's not a good idea, I just think people watching want to get into what they see racing on the track.

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S.