Are these legal for the Chili bowl this year?

[smitty]

Are these legal for the Chili bowl this year 2010?

King Headz has just release our Adjustable Caster Blocks for the LOSI L8ight.


These Front Caster Blocks are CNC machined from 7075 aircraft grade aluminum and Anodized. These blocks will allow you to adjust caster on each wheel independent from the other wheel. They are adjusted by simply loosing two bolts, rotate the block and retighten the bolts. There are indexing holes and a provided gage to let you adjust the block from 5 degree of additional positive caster from the stock LOSI block all the way to 5 degree of negative caster in 2 1/2 degree increments. These are also designed to increase rigidity, add strength and improve durability.

*** The production units will be Black Anodized ***

INCLUDES:
(2) 5-40 X 3/4 BHCS - Alloy
(4) 8-32 X 5/8 BHCS - Alloy
(4) 8-32 X 3/8 BHCS - Alloy - Nylon Patch
(4) M3 X 10M Dowel Pin
(2) Outer Block RF
(2) Outer Block LF
(2) Caster Cage
(2) Caster Back Plate
(1) Gage Pin


SPECS.
Material: 7075 Aircraft Billet Aluminum
Weight: 22.53 grams each


These chassis are on our website and ready to ship.
http://www.kingheads.com/product_inf...roducts_id=894 (http://www.kingheads.com/product_info.php?products_id=894)


Price: $72.99

[RamRacing]

Are these legal for the Chili bowl this year 2010?

King Headz has just release our Adjustable Caster Blocks for the LOSI L8ight.


These Front Caster Blocks are CNC machined from 7075 aircraft grade aluminum and Anodized. These blocks will allow you to adjust caster on each wheel independent from the other wheel. They are adjusted by simply loosing two bolts, rotate the block and retighten the bolts. There are indexing holes and a provided gage to let you adjust the block from 5 degree of additional positive caster from the stock LOSI block all the way to 5 degree of negative caster in 2 1/2 degree increments. These are also designed to increase rigidity, add strength and improve durability.

*** The production units will be Black Anodized ***

INCLUDES:
(2) 5-40 X 3/4 BHCS - Alloy
(4) 8-32 X 5/8 BHCS - Alloy
(4) 8-32 X 3/8 BHCS - Alloy - Nylon Patch
(4) M3 X 10M Dowel Pin
(2) Outer Block RF
(2) Outer Block LF
(2) Caster Cage
(2) Caster Back Plate
(1) Gage Pin


SPECS.
Material: 7075 Aircraft Billet Aluminum
Weight: 22.53 grams each


These chassis are on our website and ready to ship.
http://www.kingheads.com/product_inf...roducts_id=894 (http://www.kingheads.com/product_info.php?products_id=894)


Price: $72.99


NO THEY WILL NOT BE LEGAL. As stated by the rules pasted below copied from the orignal RULES post. So nothing is being changed or added.

The only components that can be changed are the shock towers, shocks and springs. You must use 1/8th scale shocks.

You must use the stock control arms.

The only changes to these cars that will be allowed will be springs, shocks, pivot ball suspension and products that will improve the DURABILITY of the car.

Components to change the front kick up or anti-dive and the rear toe and anti-squat are allowed.

[IDRC]

I don't get it, They improve the durablity of the car, yet there not legal.

Just about anything is allowed for the ofna cars, you can change arms,(so if the car came without rear pillow balls, you can add them) adjust inboard and out board toe on the rear, change the caster on the front, run an offset chassis.
But the Losi has to be out of the box.

Its not a very level playing field.

Sorry, I just don't get it.

[air8]

I can't see these blocks improving the durability. There are too many pieces to wear out. The stock blocks work too well to change 'em. The moneypit racing idea must be flying right over my head. I don't understand why people want to invest so much moolah in their car. The Chilli Bowl Jr. isn't like full size racing where the deepest pocket books wins. It's supposed to be about the driver and him setting his car up well--without the need to waste money on products he thinks makes him faster. I for one am happy with the intentions of the Chilli Bowl and the rules for the area. Mostly cause I wouldn't have deep enough pockets to compete if we had Limitless Latemodels. So I'm all about the Chilli Bowl rules and most people from this area seem to agree from their support and attendance at races.

thanx
chris

[Hconcepts]

Ya'll are taking ALL the fun out of racing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to many hop-up's!!!!

[RamRacing]

I don't get it, They improve the durablity of the car, yet there not legal.

Just about anything is allowed for the ofna cars, you can change arms,(so if the car came without rear pillow balls, you can add them) adjust inboard and out board toe on the rear, change the caster on the front, run an offset chassis.
But the Losi has to be out of the box.

Its not a very level playing field.

Sorry, I just don't get it.

Yes they would would improve Durability. I agree with that. But they are made for adjusting setup. And the rules clearly state that it can only approve durability. This part does more.

If you feel that the Ofna has that big of an advantage, then bring one.

The part will NOT be legal. With this short of time of its release.

[Allan Webster]

So are the king headz losi adjustable rear arms legal?

If the ofna can be "hopped up" to include rear pivot ball suspension, which gives infinite rear toe adjustability, then losi drivers should have a similar option available to them within the rules.

Pivot ball suspension offers adjustability(meaning they are designed for adjusting setup), not durability, and therefore should not be allowed unless it was stock on that exact chassis. It allows you to move each wheel in or out also, yet another tuning adjustment.

That said, for fairness and parody in the class, the losi adjustable arms should be legal.

[IDRC]

I can't see these blocks improving the durability. There are too many pieces to wear out. The stock blocks work too well to change 'em. The moneypit racing idea must be flying right over my head. I don't understand why people want to invest so much moolah in their car. The Chilli Bowl Jr. isn't like full size racing where the deepest pocket books wins. It's supposed to be about the driver and him setting his car up well--without the need to waste money on products he thinks makes him faster. I for one am happy with the intentions of the Chilli Bowl and the rules for the area. Mostly cause I wouldn't have deep enough pockets to compete if we had Limitless Latemodels. So I'm all about the Chilli Bowl rules and most people from this area seem to agree from their support and attendance at races.

thanx
chris

The stock ones are plastic, therefor they can break, these can't and they don't have any moving parts.
There not legal, so I won't run them.

You cannot run the King Headz adjustable arms, already asked.

I run a Losi, not an ofna. I have no intention of buying one. I never said the ofna car had an advantage, I just stated that the rules are wide open, for just the ofna car.

Enough said, I'll shut up.

[hljudd]

Just to clear a few things up on why more allowances were made for Ofna car vs. the Losi car. The DO Pro comes with the pivot ball components on the car. If you have one of the older Ofna cars, it probably didn't come with this set up on it. We made the allowance for the people that have the older cars so they would have the option of updating their old cars to the latest suspenion rather than buying a new car. At the time when the rules were being considered for this class, Losi already had it's own upgrade components available that would give their cars this same sort of adjustability.

I would also like to point one other thing out. When you look at the 1/8th scale rules, there are two seperate sections of the rules. The first section is mainly talking about all makes and models of buggies. I underline the word buggies because the Ofna cars GTP, GTPII and DO Pro were not derived from buggy plateforms. The Ofna GTP was derived from a flat chassis on-road car. The second section of the rules talks about what can be done to the Ofna cars and it is in that section where the comment is made about products that improve the durability of the cars. That comment was put in there because there are some aftermarket parts available that greatly improve the durability of the Ofna line of cars and we all know there are some areas of the Ofna cars that need it. So to simply say there is a new product out there that does x,y & z to the car and it also improves durability, does not automatically make it legal in our series.

On a final note just remember, when you're talking about our form of racing, that our class of latemodels is a limited class and that there will always be limits on what we can do to our cars. I can understand the Chili Bowl staff not wanting to allow these new caster blocks with the release date being so close to the race date. Personally, I wouldn't be against them being used during our Ultimate Racing League 2010 points season.

[air8]

I'd like to see proof of a broken Losi plastic caster block. And not one that someone intentionally broke. I'd give money for it just so I can show everyone I know in rc that it can happen. That's why I say I don't see the durability improving. It would have to be a 40 gallons test on off-road tracks. The current Losi latemodel I'm running has over 35 gallons of fuel over the last 3 years and most of the plastic is stock, except for the rear arms. I replaced them around 20 gallons cause they were starting to bow. I converted this car to oval last winter just cause the 2.0 8ight was due to come out.

[dabull]

I def feel that these adjustable blocks would be a huge tuning advantage and I myself would like to have a pair on my losi...But with the release being so close to the race date and the "anticipated" availibility of these parts being the 7th its a no brainer I would think.... Good call :thumbsup:

As soon as my credit card bill comes back down out of orbit I will def own a pair tho :)

[tmr22]

Hey Chris,

How many of the broken caster blocks would you like to have sent to ya. I have broken 4 in 2009 and they were not intentionally broken. They were broken in racing conditions. I have also cracked a couple but not fully broken them in the same conditions.

As far as the statement it is too close to the race for availablility, That is no different than the only tire issue. I have tried to get them here locally and my local HobbyTown, which buys from Horizon, doesn't have them in stock nor can they get them here for some reason until the end of January.

[Doug Gaut]

I have had the same caster blocks on my car for 2 years now. Its just the difference between loose dirt and high bite racing. Loose dirt has give when the cars wreck, high bite wrecks transmit that energy into the parts and is not lost when the cars slide because they dont slide.

Tire availability depended on when your hobby shop placed the order. I know of two local shops that already got their orders in, sold out and placed more on order. You can go order them from Horizon right now and get them by mid week next week.

The only option the Chili Bowl guys had was to spec the Ofna tire or go with the new Losi tire. You cannot allow the GRP tire that is not available anymore unless you order them from overseas. The new Losi tire has shown in testing to be easier on the track surfaces leaving more loose dirt on the top in comparison to the street treaded styles.

As for all the rules questions. Think of it this way, the URL is buggy based cars with bodies on them which is why you have guys running the Xray 808, Hot Bodies D8, Associated RC8, etc at the URL events. I guess if it makes us less racers then so be it but thats why our racing is so close. Many times the guys that make the A main are all on the same lap and less than 3 seconds apart. This summer we had some racers come to Joplin from Minnesota and make the A main with their late models. Where they decked out, no, they were just good racers and had them setup correct. I hope that the rules makers keep them restricted enough that guys with buggies can convert them and be competitve in this area. Cost controlled racing that comes down to setup and driving, not money.

[air8]

tmr22---All I can say is wow. You da' man. I guess I'll stand by my word. I'll send ya five bucks so you can mail one to me. Dang it. LOL. But really I'd just like to know where they broke? Oh and would you be able to give us a quick story of how one of them broke? Traction roll, T-boned by a car behind you, or you T-boning the car in front of you? LOL.



I gotta say +1 with Doug. I have a buddy with a Hyper 8.5 going to the chilli bowl this year. This buddy will be in one of the top three mains. This Hyper 8.5 is an off-road car from just a couple years ago. He built some mounts and fashioned the bumpers to the chassis. He's kicking some a** with it. If we did NOT have competitive cost controlled racing people like this buddy would not even care to attempt racing oval. The attendance in our area seems to gather momentum each season of winter, spring, Summer, fall.

I'll be an athletic supporter, :confused:, of this type of racing for a long time. LOL.

[Lars Johnson]

As far as the statement it is too close to the race for availablility, That is no different than the only tire issue. I have tried to get them here locally and my local HobbyTown, which buys from Horizon, doesn't have them in stock nor can they get them here for some reason until the end of January.

If your HobbyTown has them on backorder, have them redirect the backorder to the California warehouse. The DLM2 tire (LOSA17757 (http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=LOSA17757)) has been in stock in CA since Tuesday.

[Team GFRP]

Silly 8th scale racers...

[tmr22]

Silly 8th scale racers...


Exactly. That's why i
I am going to be running more 10 scale stuff this year.

[Doug Gaut]

Me too. :D

[Team GFRP]

Exactly. That's why i
I am going to be running more 10 scale stuff this year.


It's kinda like watching the guys that want to run offroad cars on oval vs. the guys who want to run oval cars... I see both sides but the two never seem to mix well.

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

It's kinda like watching the guys that want to run offroad cars on oval vs. the guys who want to run oval cars... I see both sides but the two never seem to mix well.

I remember a time when there were no oval cars. Just off-road cars converted to run oval. ;)

[Dano628]

I remember a time when there were no oval cars. Just off-road cars converted to run oval. ;)
The 1/10 offroad cars that we used to run evolved into today's oval specific cars . I think the same thing will happen in 1/8 scale eventually .

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

The 1/10 offroad cars that we used to run evolved into today's oval specific cars . I think the same thing will happen in 1/8 scale eventually .

I hope not but I think you're right. There's always that group with deep pockets and the drive to go faster that push things in that direction. It's happened in every form of R/C racing and 1/8th is the next scale and platform to do so. I think the challenge is not to repeat history.... LOL. Good luck with that. :thumbsup:

[air8]

I remember a time when there were no oval cars. Just off-road cars converted to run oval. ;)

LOL. We still have that in the northern part of Kansas. AND soon to be here in my home town as well. Some of the racers are leaning towards getting their 1/10 2wd buggies on the oval with late model bodies. A couple hours north of us they run these or with an EDM body and they have a good following of racers.

[Stetler17]

They co-exist in 1/10 all over the country and they will eventually co-exist in 1/8.

Do you want to run B4 based LM's or Terminator/CW based LM's. It is exactly the same as the 1/8 discussions, but without any drama. Tracks/regions just do what is best for their profitablity and move on.

I will say that the "National" 1/10 rules do not include the buggy based cars...:D Let the debate rule on.

[Jeff Harper]

The idea of this rules base for 1/8 LM has always been to allow anyone to get into this class of racing quickly, easily and be competitive. Like it has been said, you can convert a buggy or buy a Ofna or Losi and if you can set it up and drive, your instantly competitive (fairly inexpensively). Alot of guys run two or more classes so it really helps when you can have a race car that stays "current" so to speak in that there is no chasing of the "next trick part".

Dont get me wrong, I like trick parts and innovation and I am glad there are rules bases out there that support all the innovative and trick parts that can be developed for these cars and these cars being so big, powerful and 4wd means that there is a TON of opportunities for developement and innovation for these cars....it will not end anytime soon.

However, I am also glad that there is at least one rules base out there for 1/8 LM keeping things simple and less expensive to participate.

See you guys in just over a week!!!

[Rob Cutman]

They co-exist in 1/10 all over the country and they will eventually co-exist in 1/8.

Do you want to run B4 based LM's or Terminator/CW based LM's. It is exactly the same as the 1/8 discussions, but without any drama. Tracks/regions just do what is best for their profitablity and move on.

I will say that the "National" 1/10 rules do not include the buggy based cars...:D Let the debate rule on.

Mark,
Not sure if I misunderstood you here or not but there is nothing in the DODC National Rules for 1/10th scale that prohibits running a buggy based car. In fact the chassis restrictions are very general and really only limit the cars to 2wd rear wheel drive only and no solid axles. A buggy based car is perfectly legal as long as it meets the dimensional specs. Not trying to change the subject but just wanted to clarify that.

Rob