Nitro EDM Chssis rules?

[Matt Murphy]

What exactly are the rules? There are tire rules and body rules but no chassis rules posted? Are there any rules besides 2wd rear drive only and the minimum and max width and wheelbase rules?

Thanks,

Matt

[racerjmh]

Pretty wide open isn't it. Seen everything from purpose built trucks to rtr w body.

Jim

[plipitkc]

It must have truck tires and rims also.

[catman]

What exactly are the rules? There are tire rules and body rules but no chassis rules posted? Are there any rules besides 2wd rear drive only and the minimum and max width and wheelbase rules?

Thanks,

Matt
go to home page and click on links.it will take you to all rules for all classes.

[RamRacing]

go to home page and click on links.it will take you to all rules for all classes.

Catman
The rules that we are following are not like the DODC EDM rules. As long as you are within the rules that I will be pasting below. You will be legal. This class is open compared to most other classes,


Nitro
SMALL BLOCK EDM/TRUCK
EDM Body styles only
All bodies may have a 2” rear spoiler measured from the deck lid. The spoiler can be no wider than the bodies rear deck area.
There is not be any side dams, but may run a sail panel that follows the roof line and must not be any taller than the roof. May not attach a sail panel to the body, it must be built in to it’s design.
Any small block engine up to .20 and all engines greater than .15 cu. In. must be of the RTR variety
All vehicles must run rubber truck tires and truck weels front and rear. 2.2 inch max rim size.
WHEEL BASE 10.75 - 12.5
MAX WIDTH -13.0
MIN WIDTH -11.0
2WD ONLY AND NO 2 SPEEDS AND REAR WHEEL DRIVE ONLY

[Matt Murphy]

OK

Just wanted to make sure...

[hljudd]

The main thing is our edm's are truck based. Truck size chassis, truck arms and truck wheels and tires.

[Matt Murphy]

So which one of you has the right answer? According to one of you, its an open class and it needs to meet cartain criteria. Then the other guy says it has to meet other rules not posted anywhere.

What is the official ruling?

From this entire chili bowl thread, it seems as if ramracing is the one actually involved with the race, and is giving all the racers answers to rules questions....

But we do not run this class in our area, and I wanna build an EDM, but how can I if I get contradictory statements.

I do not know who is actually making the calls, but I know you are both from the region the race is being run in, and I dont want to discount anyones info. I just want the correct rules package to base my EDM off of.

Matt

[RamRacing]

So which one of you has the right answer? According to one of you, its an open class and it needs to meet cartain criteria. Then the other guy says it has to meet other rules not posted anywhere.

What is the official ruling?

From this entire chili bowl thread, it seems as if ramracing is the one actually involved with the race, and is giving all the racers answers to rules questions....

But we do not run this class in our area, and I wanna build an EDM, but how can I if I get contradictory statements.

I do not know who is actually making the calls, but I know you are both from the region the race is being run in, and I dont want to discount anyones info. I just want the correct rules package to base my EDM off of.

Matt

Matt
The statement that I made is true along with what Howard stated. I am one of the CBJ Promoters, And Howard is the one that has the URL. He is helping us maintain the rules for this event. If you look at what I copyed from the rules. No were did I state it was open. I stated " This class is open compared to most other classes" It says

Nitro
SMALL BLOCK EDM/TRUCK
EDM Body styles only

So by me stating that it was open compared to most other classes. With the title being truck that is what I was referring to.
Sorry if this has cause any issue's
Rodger

[Matt Murphy]

So as long as a Nitro EDM utilizes an EDM body, runs a small block engine, runs rubber truck tires mounted on 2.2 maximum rim size truck wheels, has a wheelbase between 10.75 and 12.5 inches, is between 11 and 13 inches wide, is 2wd/rwd only, and has a single speed transmission..... It IS LEGAL?!?

Thats what I am looking for. It was stated this way earlier, but then now it seems like that isnt the case, although these were the posted rules?

I know last year there were carbon fiber chassis with offset weight, and cars using transmisiions and suspension componenets off of different cars..... Which is fine by me based on the rules specified earlier, but now I just dont know where to look for rules.

I hope you can understand my point.

The race is getting very close, and I need to know how to build my nitro edm, but if the rules cant be cleared up, then I wont waste my time.

[hljudd]

Our EDM class is a truck based class. In an earlier post, someone directed you to the DODC rules and that is incorrect. The DODC EDM's are buggy based, meaning they use buggy suspension components and are set up to run on hard packed clay and foam tires. Our class is truck based, meaning you have to use truck suspension components. Truck arms, truck shocks, truck wheels and tires....etc. It is open to any chassis as long as the finished product fits the wheel base and track width requirements. I'll give you an example of what our cars are. Let's say you have and GT2 as a donor car. You make your own carbon fiber chassis plate for it and then you use all the stuff from the GT2 and put it on your chassis plate and you would have an exact copy of what I run. If you were to use one of the Custom Works cars as a donor car, you would have to change the arms because they are buggy arms and buggy components are not allowed in our EDM class. Other than that, you can do whatever you want. You can make your own shock towers, you can make it where you have lay down shocks....what ever you want as long as they are truck suspension components. It's not a full open class. It's a truck based class that is open to purpose built cars that use truck suspension components. I hope this clears it up for you.

[troy a]

hello, im new to this class also does this mean i can run a 21 or larger motor in this class :thumbsup::checkeredflag:

[racerjmh]

Any small block engine up to .20 and all engines greater than .15 cu. In. must be of the RTR variety



This is a direct quote from the rules posted for this race. What this means is if your engine is larger than a .15 it has to have come on the chassis you are running as a rtr vehicle. So to get up to the .20 limit you have to run either a Traxxas Jato with 2.2 tires and wheels or a LOSI Speed NT with 2.2 tires and wheels. Hope that helps.

Jim

[troy a]

hey jim thanks for the reply.Iwas just trying to yank howards chain alittle, we will see you all in tulsa

[hljudd]

So as long as a Nitro EDM utilizes an EDM body, runs a small block engine, runs rubber truck tires mounted on 2.2 maximum rim size truck wheels, has a wheelbase between 10.75 and 12.5 inches, is between 11 and 13 inches wide, is 2wd/rwd only, and has a single speed transmission..... It IS LEGAL?!?


I got to reading your post a little closer here and I want to point a few things out. You make this statement here and at the end you ask if it's legal. The answer is NO to the way your statement is worded. If you had said "and built using truck suspension components, 2.2 truck wheels and any small block engine up to a .20 and anything larger than a .15 has to be a rtr" I would say yes, it would be legal. Rodger posted the rules and the rules are for Nitro EDM/TRUCK. Our rules say any small block up to a .20 with engines being larger than .15 being of the RTR type engine. In your statement you said run rubber truck tires mounted on 2.2 maximum rim size truck wheels. That is not correct. It's not up to 2.2 max....you are required to run 2.2 truck wheels...that's it. Also, in regards to the engines you are allowed to run. The only way you can run anything larger than a .15 is if you buy a ready to run truck that comes with that engine installled in it and you do nothing more to the truck other than put a EDM body on it. If you build your own purpose built car, the largest engine you can run is a .15.

[Matt Murphy]

Well Im sorry guys but the Official posted rules did not say anything about "using truck suspension components". Dont worry I will not be building a Nitro EDM to race in a class that has phantom rules. The posted rules said truck tires and wheels. Thats the ONLY mention of Truck components.

Here is a question for you, If I built a truck with Losi GTX Gas truck suspension components...would it be legal? Reason I ask, is the Losi GTX A-Arms are shorter than the Custom Works Outlaw long arms? Does this also mean that any arm manufactured by dynotech or any other dirt oval manufacturer is also illegal? They are not available on a production offroad truck.....

I dont understand how you can post rules that are "open compared to most other classes", with just a few minor specs listed in the rules, and then start adding rules as the race gets near.

I am trying to show you guys why racers from around the country choose NOT to attend the Chili Bowl or your other regional races. I know you guys will probably hate me, but Im trying to look out for the integrity of the race, your series, and racers everywhere. Post Specific, clearly written, easily defined rules, and once you announce rules for a race, stick with em.

Matt Murphy

[hljudd]

Nobody is adding rules to this class as the race gets nearer. The name of this class has always been Nitro EDM/TRUCK. This class started out as a nitro truck class and transformed into the EDM class as time went by. A couple of years ago, we changed it to where truck bodies were no longer allowed and made EDM bodies mandatory for the class. I know it isn't fair to assume that you know all of this since you're not from our area, but we've tried to answer all your questions. Another thing is since this has always sort of been an entry level class for our series and everyone around here knows what we run, we never have re-written the rules with a national following in mind. We'll try to do better next time.

[plipitkc]

Matt,

I hate to point out something but the rules for the NITRO EDM / TRUCK class are the same as last year with one exception and that was made during last years NSCS competition year, I believe. That small change was to require this class to have ONLY EDM style bodies but the truck type components have always been in there. Granted they are not spelled out for national guidelines or specifications but they worked in the NSCS and should work this year also.

They were also stated in the first posting of the Rule in the 2010 Chilli Bowl Rules by Roger. i went out to another site and gathered my max dimensions.

Later

Phil

[air8]

Does the material used for the body need to be discussed as well?

[TomC]

Yeah, really.:rolleyes:

[Matt Murphy]

Well guys, Im sorry for not knowing your local rules. That said:

-I really believe all the talk about "last years rules" and "NSCS rules" are moot points.

This race is the 2010 CBJ, not the 2009, so that argument about last years rules being almost the same, has no bearing on this years race.

I also think that saying we are using NSCS rules is not a valid point either. The NSCS no longer exists.....

I am not asking for National Guidelines, just guidelines for this race. And the answer I first got would allow the car I discusses in an earlier post to be ran, because it met all the rules posted for the race.

The Chili Bowl Jr. race is one of the Larger races of the year, and to post such vague rules and then expect the rest of the country to interpret them the way "all your locals" know it to be is very impractical. As a racer that travels all over the country to race as many big races as I can squeeze in, I take each race, and examine their rules and build the car I believe has the best chance of winning within the rules. That what makes me a racer.

Please understand I am now only trying to help you guys in the future. Racers need rules, and without readily available, easy to interpret, well written rules, it is nearly impossible for someone not from your local racer base to come out and race. You have to think of the CBJ as a national level race, otherwise it cannot grow.

This will be my second Chili Bowl, and after last year, I have looked forward to it all year long.

Matt Murphy

[Dano628]

Does the material used for the body need to be discussed as well?

Yeah, really.:rolleyes:
The man is trying to build a car that wont be DQed for a race that doesnt have a complete , clear set of written rules for people to follow .

[RamRacing]

Well guys, Im sorry for not knowing your local rules. That said:

-I really believe all the talk about "last years rules" and "NSCS rules" are moot points.

This race is the 2010 CBJ, not the 2009, so that argument about last years rules being almost the same, has no bearing on this years race.

I also think that saying we are using NSCS rules is not a valid point either. The NSCS no longer exists.....

I am not asking for National Guidelines, just guidelines for this race. And the answer I first got would allow the car I discusses in an earlier post to be ran, because it met all the rules posted for the race.

The Chili Bowl Jr. race is one of the Larger races of the year, and to post such vague rules and then expect the rest of the country to interpret them the way "all your locals" know it to be is very impractical. As a racer that travels all over the country to race as many big races as I can squeeze in, I take each race, and examine their rules and build the car I believe has the best chance of winning within the rules. That what makes me a racer.

Please understand I am now only trying to help you guys in the future. Racers need rules, and without readily available, easy to interpret, well written rules, it is nearly impossible for someone not from your local racer base to come out and race. You have to think of the CBJ as a national level race, otherwise it cannot grow.

This will be my second Chili Bowl, and after last year, I have looked forward to it all year long.

Matt Murphy

Matt you have a PM


OK Guys. Lets not get a whos right or whos wrong match going. We the Promotors are addressing this issue, and will be informing you on the out come.

[Matt Murphy]

Ram,
You have PM.

Matt