Attention all 13.5 Late Model racers

[SCOTTY 21B]

I've had some phone calls & PMs from people expressing concern over the Custom Works street track tires. I have some questions about them myself.
I'm planning on having the Chili Bowl Jr track be a looser dirt track than it has been for the last two years. However, I'm having a hard time getting these tires to hook up on a loose dirt track. Is anyone else having this problem? Has anyone else tried these tires on a loose dirt track? Your feedback would be most appreciated.
Thanks, Scotty

[slufoot78]

Sure it aint just the driver :thumbsup: ?? :D Just kidding Scott. If you determine not to run the CW tires and go to buggy tires will there be a set tire we will be running or any buggy tire? My opinion being a spec class is that the same tire is ran rather it be CW street tread or a spec buggy pin tire. Have a good one... Patrick

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[BrianD]

I know they run the class with that tire on it at Allen's without any issues. Allen’s has a similar track surface.

[RichardsonRacng]

Stupid question: is this class allowed a side dam?

[Gary]

I know they run the class with that tire on it at Allen's without any issues. Allen’s has a similar track surface.

Last year at Allens King of the Wings, Nick Rank Ran a 40 lap A-Main with 13.5 with the custom works tire. One lap slower than the Sprints. It can be done once you get the car set-up.

[RamRacing]

Stupid question: is this class allowed a side dam?

I can answer that question. NO SIDE DAMNS

Just messing with you Ronnie. LOL

But truely we are going to run the 13.5 LM without side damns.

[SHACK]

Everyone would love for this race to be "loose Dirt" but with the car count and time constraints that this race has on it allready maintenance on the track will be next to impossible. Possibley 150 to 200 cars tearing the track apart with out constant maintenance on the track would be a Nightemare! I can see it now ruts in the turns waves coming out of 2 and 4 and no consistent racing line. When the track gets like that you can't race other cars, you end up fighting the track.
The fist year of the Chili Bolw was the best surface you could possibly hope for with the car count and time constraints that this race has. Yes the track was very hard on tires but there were multiple racing grooves and you saw alot of heads up, side by side, wheel to wheel RACING! Last year the track prep left alot to be desired, they tried to keep it watered about every other race so you never new if you were going to run on slime, from the warer not soaking in or if you were going to run on powder dry because the water that they put down the race before cooked off and left the track green with no grove. The track didn't get racey untill the A-main drivers started raising Hell and they stoped watering and let the track groove up.This is a BIG RACE and everyone that plans on attending should come prepared for it to be hard on tires even if you try and keep the track loose. The final call on track prep will be in the hands of the race pormoters. We will just have to wait and see what kind of track they give us to race on. Just my 2cents

[RamRacing]

Everyone would love for this race to be "loose Dirt" but with the car count and time constraints that this race has on it allready maintenance on the track will be next to impossible. Possibley 150 to 200 cars tearing the track apart with out constant maintenance on the track would be a Nightemare! I can see it now ruts in the turns waves coming out of 2 and 4 and no consistent racing line. When the track gets like that you can't race other cars, you end up fighting the track.
The fist year of the Chili Bolw was the best surface you could possibly hope for with the car count and time constraints that this race has. Yes the track was very hard on tires but there were multiple racing grooves and you saw alot of heads up, side by side, wheel to wheel RACING! Last year the track prep left alot to be desired, they tried to keep it watered about every other race so you never new if you were going to run on slime, from the warer not soaking in or if you were going to run on powder dry because the water that they put down the race before cooked off and left the track green with no grove. The track didn't get racey untill the A-main drivers started raising Hell and they stoped watering and let the track groove up.This is a BIG RACE and everyone that plans on attending should come prepared for it to be hard on tires even if you try and keep the track loose. The final call on track prep will be in the hands of the race pormoters. We will just have to wait and see what kind of track they give us to race on. Just my 2cents

Shack what you stated is very true. But the car count is not the issue. Scott and Myself were the guys taking care of the track for the last 2 yrs. Are hands were tied on what kind of dirt we got for this race. But now that Scott is the decission maker of the event. There is differrent dirt being brought in for the 2010 race. And we have cut back on the number of heats being ran to give us the time we need to have a better surface to race on. We have also come up with a schedule on the way that the class will be ran so that one class of cars dont hurt the track for any of the other classes. We are hoping that this new tire for the 1/8 scales doesn't polish and harden the track like the tires of the past. We as racer know what it is like to have to spend money for tires. So we are going to do every possible thing to keep the track from burning up tires. The trip and hotel expence is high enough. We dont want to add tires to that.

[Hconcepts]

just a Ideer, make it holeshot Front and Rear? Use 4wd Holeshots tires on the front??
and make that the "spec" tire everyone has to run!! Or any small pin tire...

But i'm not running in that class, Sooo.... I have no say so....

[RNC Paint]

I vote for a mini pin, if the track is going to be "loose".

Whatever the tire is going to be can we please get it nailed down?

I'm sure most of the drivers would like to know what we are racing on so that those tires can be purchased and practiced and setup for.

My two cents about the track and tire wear- Racing is hard on cars, parts, and the tires they run on. Buying tires is a huge part of racing in any form whether its full size or 1/10 scale. I for one would rather burn off a set of tires per run if it means faster closer racing.


Ryan

[Bmainer#3]

I agree let get a set of tire decided on so we can get them puchased and not wait until the last moment. Time is counting down quickly.


Bmainer#3

[BrianD]

Why not just run the Custom Works Street track. They work ( they have been proven at other tracks,) they are available, a lot of people have at least one set already. It would be a safe bet that a lot of the cars in this class will be the CW rocket which comes with street tracks. Custom works is single handily the largest supporter of our segment of the hobby.

[Offutt Racing]

Concerns? Yes i have concerns as well. Custom Works street treads and Oklahoma dirt, do they go together? I've only have tried street treads for a short time, and I haven't had any luck with the treads on the dirt here in Kansas City. I guess i also have concerns with the 13.5. If anyone has any suggestions on gearing for a 190 run-line then please feel free to enlighten me. I'm paid and ready to go. Whatever we do it should be a fun class. Can't wait. I just want to keep the racing close and the cost down.

Thanks,
:checkeredflag: Gary :checkeredflag:

[suprcop67]

Concerns? Yes i have concerns as well. Custom Works street treads and Oklahoma dirt, do they go together? I've only have tried street treads for a short time, and I haven't had any luck with the treads on the dirt here in Kansas City. I guess i also have concerns with the 13.5. If anyone has any suggestions on gearing for a 190 run-line then please feel free to enlighten me. I'm paid and ready to go. Whatever we do it should be a fun class. Can't wait. I just want to keep the racing close and the cost down.

Thanks,
:checkeredflag: Gary :checkeredflag:


we have been running the custom works street tracs here in our illinois series for 2 years. granted they are not a perfect tire but they do work well on a loose dirt track. as for gearing i run on about a 190' track every week and me and my son run a 35 pinion and a 70 spur. in 48p gears. just keep the street tracs really clean between races and soak them with simple green to keep them nice and soft and they will work fine

[Doug Gaut]

You IL guys have high bite somewhat "loose" dirt tracks! To us Big Bills and Allens are like racing on carpet with foams. ;)

[clintscreations]

Why not a pin for the rear.....make it a holeshot or jcon double dee and leave the front tire open

Just don't allow traction compound for any class

Just thought id throw my opinion in the middle

[Mr.Wolfman]

You IL guys have high bite somewhat "loose" dirt tracks! To us Big Bills and Allens are like racing on carpet with foams. ;)

and we like our dirt!

[RNC Paint]

Should we poll the drivers and see what comes of it?

I really would like to know what tire we are using.:confused:

Ryan

[dozer9]

Should we poll the drivers and see what comes of it?

I really would like to know what tire we are using.:confused:

Ryan


NO polls are not accurate. You will have people voting that are not even racing the class or even racing the chili bowl jr. Patience my friend. Be assured that the issue is being discussed and when they figure it out they will let you know.

[deandog112003]

scott:

if the dirt being brought in for the race is like the dirt at tulsa or wild bills, and you are 100% sure that you will keep it broken up with wetter loose dirt on the run line, then street tracks will not be the answer. The reason street tracks work at allens is there is not loose dirt on the runline and is super tacky. The reason they would have worked at the chili bowl the last 2 years is because the surface got hard and rubber got put down on the runline.

So in closing if you think that there is a small chance that you wont be able to keep up with the track and it will rubber up then street tracks is the ticket, but if you absolutely think you can keep up with the track then a hole shot tire is what is needed.

my .02 cents
nathan

[SHACK]

Haven't the rules allready been posted?!!! If I am not mistaken the 13.5 Latemodel class rules state that the Customworks Street Track tire will be the tire used. A race of this size must have absloute integrity with the rules or you won't have the trust of the participants. How can you even start talking about changing the rules after they have been posted? Seems like the promerters of this race have been down this road before. Isn't that why it took so long to get the rules posted in the first place, to make sure that they got the rules right the first time? The Customworks tire probably wont be the optimum tire but at least everyone will be on the same tire and the race promoters professionalism will not come in question. A poll of paid enterants is the only way to justify a rule change!!!

[Doug Gaut]

and we like our dirt!

Me too!:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Well put Nathan.

[RNC Paint]

NO polls are not accurate. You will have people voting that are not even racing the class or even racing the chili bowl jr. Patience my friend. Be assured that the issue is being discussed and when they figure it out they will let you know.

I agree with you that the poll wont be accurate. However, my patience goes out the window when changes are being made this late in the game.

About three weeks ago I asked the question in the "rules" thread. And Street Trac was the answer I got. Now we are being told that this tire may or may not be the spec tire.

The amount of time it takes to make a decision around here isnt exactly speedy and I understand why. Many factors must be taken into consideration. But everyday we wait is one more day without testing and time to make sure I can even get the tire they choose to run.

We have about six weeks left until the race. We lose one week to Christmas and New years. And lose more weeks to rain and cold.

With all that, I can't wait to race at the Chili Bowl In 2010.:checkeredflag:

Ryan

[FULLT1LT]

be patient guys,they are looking at it from all aspects to insure a great race:thumbsup:

[SCOTTY 21B]

I've had some phone calls & PMs from people expressing concern over the Custom Works street track tires. I have some questions about them myself.
I'm planning on having the Chili Bowl Jr track be a looser dirt track than it has been for the last two years. However, I'm having a hard time getting these tires to hook up on a loose dirt track. Is anyone else having this problem? Has anyone else tried these tires on a loose dirt track? Your feedback would be most appreciated.
Thanks, Scotty






Haven't the rules allready been posted?!!! If I am not mistaken the 13.5 Latemodel class rules state that the Customworks Street Track tire will be the tire used. A race of this size must have absloute integrity with the rules or you won't have the trust of the participants. How can you even start talking about changing the rules after they have been posted? Seems like the promerters of this race have been down this road before. Isn't that why it took so long to get the rules posted in the first place, to make sure that they got the rules right the first time? The Customworks tire probably wont be the optimum tire but at least everyone will be on the same tire and the race promoters professionalism will not come in question. A poll of paid enterants is the only way to justify a rule change!!!



Okay, guys, would someone please tell me where in my original post I said ANYTHING about changing the tire rule? I was only asking if anyone else had experience with these tires on a loose dirt track, and if anyone had a set up that would work better with these tires. What I wanted was for people to post set up advice to help other racers figure out how to hook these tires up since this 13.5 class is new for this area. So, please, does anyone have any set ups that will work? Thanks, Scotty

[SHACK]

I misunderstood the intent of your post. I think it was the part where you said "I've had some phone calls & PMs from people expressing concern over the Custom Works street track tires. I have some questions about them myself." that threw me off, and the part where you didn't mention anything about SET UP advice for the Street Track tire on loose dirt. I dont think I was the only one who missunderstood what you were trying to say. When the thread turned into a discussion of what would be the best tire to change to it rubed me the wrong way. Scott, thanks for clearing this up! :greenflag:

[RNC Paint]

Its Shack's fault.

The title of the thread and the tone of the first few posts really had me thinking that the rules were in question and we might have a new tire.

Glad to hear thats not the case.

Ryan

[JW8]

It is in the Dirt Oval creed that one over reacts first and then thinks second....lol Read any of the threads on this site and you will see that trend.

Run the tires. Adjust to the track. Next year adjust to make 2011 better.

Jeff

[Hconcepts]

Set-ups, Set-ups, Set-ups is what Scott wants, not talking about changing tires or who was wrong or not.... SET-UP'S!!!!!!!!! for these tires to work on our Loose track's.... :D :redyellow:

[plipitkc]

Please reread the first posting. Scott asked if anyone is having trouble getting these to hook up and the feedback would be appreciated. The second posting was where a change in tire was mentioned.

We all skim the threads and jump into something it's not. Good luck and have fun at the CBJ.

Phil

[tp75]

as my hero once said '' christopher big black boykin'' and i quote DO WORK!!!!!!

[slufoot78]

Please reread the first posting. Scott asked if anyone is having trouble getting these to hook up and the feedback would be appreciated. The second posting was where a change in tire was mentioned.

We all skim the threads and jump into something it's not. Good luck and have fun at the CBJ.

Phil

Phil, the second posting was mine, I dont skim threw posts and read something into them that is not there. I know exactly what it said, no need to read it again. My comment was based on a discussion the Saturday before at the our local track where it was mentioned that a tire change rule might be considered because of getting the tires to work on OKLAHOMA loose dirt. Guess I should have PMed Scott instead of posting in thread, my bad. At the time of my post I thought it was still up in the air on what tire was gonna be run per the conversation, again My Bad... Several guys were in on the conversation but guess I was the only one that took it that there may be a change. Guess I will just be the bad guy in this post, sorry if I got a few feathers ruffled :D:thumbsup:

I raced this weekend in the 13.5 latemodel division and I was the ONLY one that ran the CW tires all night. Everyone else switched to buggy tires after 1st heat. There was about a 3 lap difference between the CW tires and Buggy tires. On the loose track surface we ran on if you want one right on the edge all the time then the CW tires are the ticket. The CW tires was one of the main reasons I built a latemodel to run. Everyone have a wonderful week and look forward to seein everyone at the Chili Bowl... Patrick

[JW8]

3 laps difference which way (buggy over Cw or CW over Buggy)?

Thanks

[Hconcepts]

Buggy tires over CW tires

[plipitkc]

My apologies, I didn't know what all discussions had taken place other than on here. Guess that's what happens when you don't go racing.

Again my apologies.

[slufoot78]

no apologies needed Phil, I was not very clear on my post. Should have added a few more details. Have a good one. Patrick

sent u a PM.

[JW8]

What do the LM look like on Buggy tires? They have to have some big openings for the tires..... One of the draws to the LM class is the scale look to them and the CW tires look good on the cars.

[04Xterra]

Yes unfortunately you do have to remove alot of material around the rear wheels to allow for balooning.

[Hconcepts]

JW8 here is the 13.5 LM @ The Barn Speedway the past staurday..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTlhdJxQ9J4

[RichardsonRacng]

I was there and saw the first round of the 13.5 class. In my opinion the 13.5 class is a bit slower then the others and the cw tires would make it more interesting and more of a driver and set-up challenge. A good driver running pin tires and ribbed fronts was on a sunday cruise. Didn't look like much of a challenge. Throw in some ponies and add pin tires and you have fun. For a "spec" type class the cw tires should be fun even with the 13.5 limited "stock" motor. It would be a cheap class with low maintenace and a super low tire bill. May be a great entry level class too. Just my opinion!!

[daveb]

what type of chassis are you guys using for the 13.5 lm?? converted buggies or kits like the cw or havoc?

[RichardsonRacng]

I know a couple were cw rocket's, a couple were backyard chassis, and not sure on the others. The guy (Pat) running the street tracs was running a custom built backyard chassis.

[tp75]

i am using a b3 but i put gt arms on it so it would be 10'' with street tracs on it works just fine

[daveb]

i've got and old rc10 hugger i was thinking about bringing, it's old school and i'm not sure it can compete with the new stuff..

[Offutt Racing]

I'll be driven a B4 and powered by Speed Passion.

Good luck to all.

Gary

[Hconcepts]

Anyone have a SET-UP for these tires??

[RamRacing]

Anyone have a SET-UP for these tires??

Yeppers:D Sqeeze tricker and turn the wheel left:thumbsup: J/K LOL;):ha::ha: I

I dont think anyone will really know what kind of setup to do. Ther track will be unknown for every class. It will be a guessing game from the get go. Heck, I will be one of the one's building the track and I have no clue what we will end up with. I know what we are trying for. But we havent yet hit what we have tried for in the past. I guess that is the fun of building a track the day before the event.

[racer5c]

Anyone know any website that I can get the tires already mounted?
Idk If I'm going now, my motor and esc fried and I bought it used so no money back or anything.

[legend15x3]

Which tire do you want the HB compound or the Regular? Front? Rear?