hood question

[dylan]

where on the deck can it be mounted off to the side, middle, leading edge?

[RCRACR20]

I am actually curious about hood height. Is it .75" at highest point, or entire length of hood? I ask this as I have an older cut down hood from previous Open wheel races that is .75" at its highest point, but the front of it (which attaches to the front lip of the deck, well below the height of the front shock tower) is less than 1/4" tall.

Thanks for any clarification.

[TQ Cells]

Just my 2 cents ...

From the rules ... "Inner panel must have hood that extends from front of inner panel to at least the leading edge of the roof." ... "Minimum hood height: .750"

My interpretation is a minimum of .75" height at any point ...if it's not the case, it'd be too easy to have a hood that is .020" high!?! then have it go back up to the minimum requested .75" ... I saw many hoods with the front of hood flared to nothing, I personally don't think it goes along with the rules.

As far as side to side IMHO it should be centered in the inner panel (though it does not specify such in the rules) as again, if we can offset it why not put it completely on one side!?!

Steve.

[rj14]

Our "typical Term" bodies prevent us from off-setting the hoods because of the part that extends to the back of the shock tower, but this is easy to fix w/ a pair of scissors. I tried to mount mine even w/ the edge of the body w/o the extension considered and was told to move it forward.As far as the height, well last year I ran a sprint car hood cut down to nothing and it then rose toward the back to .75" minimum. IMO since this has been allowed for this long it should be continued as such until the next approval date/revision.

[RCRACR20]

Here is a couple examples of what Im talking about:

http://www.kippshobbies.com/Kipps/images/K1007.jpg

http://www.kippshobbies.com/Kipps/images/K1008.jpg

http://www.dougsdirtdiary.com/gallery/show/medium/85789/Mojo%20Photos%20best%20of%202009%20(40).jpg

http://www.dougsdirtdiary.com/gallery/show/medium/85775/Mojo%20Photos%20best%20of%202009%20(10).jpg




Using a picture of one of Kipps bodies as an example, the very front of the hood has virtually no height to it, but it does raise up an inch or two back to meet the rule specifications. I posted a couple pictures of real cars to kind of illustrate that also.

Basically, as I posted, my main question is whether or not the hood I used at last years Open wheel race and last years February Freeze, which is cut down just like the one on in the pictures from Kipps site, would still be deemed Legal or if I new Hood would need to be fabricated.

[rj14]

Matt,

My hoods are just like those of the one you posted of Kippy's. I feel if they were legal last year they should be fine this year.

I argue the fact that the hood has to be mounted based on the furthest point forward on the deck. They aren't that way on the full size cars. On our bodies, the piece that extends to the back of the shock tower isn't functional per say. Rather just a cover to the steering assy. Therefore the leading edge of the hood should line up w/ the largest forward perpendicular plane to the side panels.

[Team GFRP]

I hate to say it but I'm gonna have to agree with RJ.

[rj14]

I hate to say it but I'm gonna have to agree with RJ.

I have lucid moments of reason...sometimes. ;)

[solly]

who cares

[rj14]

who cares

interesting

[irocz69]

I have lucid moments of reason...sometimes. ;)

Weather you have moments of lucidity or not is still your opion & no one elses, lets just clear that up now ! LOL ! I do, however, agree w/you about the hood rule. Last year @ the OW I also ran a cut down CW Eagle Sprint Car hood, which I did show to Rob before I even ran it & there didn't seem to be any problems w/doing so, but I also had another hood ready just in case. Last year there were many Sprinter hoods used on alot of cars, so I don't believe this will be an issue, nor, like you , do I believe it should be, but god help us who agree w/RJ. AMEN !

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S.

[rj14]

For an example of those who don't know what we are talking about....




http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c343/DPEEK27/rc011.jpg


This bodies hood placement by the wording of the rules and what was enforced at last years OW on my cars. This body would not pass tech w/o moving the hood ALL the way forward to the leading edge of the deck and meeting the leading edge plane of the roof.

[siggy99x]

EDM= PAIN IN THE ASS this is why the LM class is so popular !!

[dylan]

i was looking for a dodc rule maker for the ruling not the village idiot

[SHANZILLA]

EDM= PAIN IN THE ASS this is why the LM class is so popular !!
Latemodels are GAY.

[siggy99x]

Whatever!!!! facts are facts sometimes the truth hurts LOL!!

[Team GFRP]

Latemodels are GAY.

Whatever!!!! facts are facts sometimes the truth hurts LOL!!


Shannon I think he just agreed with you...:D

[siggy99x]

Not even close!! I like both classes but all the body rules and nonsense with the edm class is killing it! And in real racing Latemodels are by far the best thing on a dirt track, thats why the big name mod guys are now running Latemodels better racing and better money!!!

[teopro27]

For an example of those who don't know what we are talking about....




http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c343/DPEEK27/rc011.jpg


This bodies hood placement by the wording of the rules and what was enforced at last years OW on my cars. This body would not pass tech w/o moving the hood ALL the way forward to the leading edge of the deck and meeting the leading edge plane of the roof.

If we mount the hoods all the way to the front they might not be long enough to meet the roof....No big deal, it's only sticky tape! This body passed tech at two WDRA races this summer?? Go figure!

[ericsalvas]

If we mount the hoods all the way to the front they might not be long enough to meet the roof....No big deal, it's only sticky tape! This body passed tech at two WDRA races this summer?? Go figure!


WDRA race!...heck i've seen so many cars with the RR completely inside the body(where rule says you must have 1/3 viewed from TOP FRONT and REAR...)...that wdra tech is not a standard...

rules are there...thet're printed...the main problem is there is no REAL tech goin on...

Eric

[Zepp70]

Not even close!! I like both classes but all the body rules and nonsense with the edm class is killing it! And in real racing Latemodels are by far the best thing on a dirt track, thats why the big name mod guys are now running Latemodels better racing and better money!!! TMAC.....Fuller


People that live in the northeast would probable like the big blocks over latemodels, but, no where else really runs them, its either Latemodel, Sprint, and USAC. I would also agree with siggy that the best racing you will see right now is in latemodels, Sprints are best on a small track because the 410 HP takes over on the big 1/2 mile traks like ELDORA....Love it to death, but, the racing is usually spread out. As for RC racing I think most people are running latemodels because there is less chance hitting the wall and chunking tires.....I still find a way..... and bodies are a hell of alot cheaper. :beer:

[team rc]

I agree the full blown latemodels are the best show to watch right now ,but those guys have respect for each other and their equipment. Unlike some of the racing i've seen in the 13.5 l.m. alot of times their like bumper cars at the fair.No disrespect to anyone but guys running edm's seem to have a little more respect for each other and thats worth having to deal with some of the body rules. my 2 cents

[staatsbmxkid]

bottom line with edm is it isnt a molded body. so you have to have rules since alot of people make their own. it basicly just gives them guidelines to stay within to make them and because of that allows us to save few bucks instead of buying a precut/made edm body if we choose to

[SHANZILLA]

Not even close!! I like both classes but all the body rules and nonsense with the edm class is killing it! And in real racing Latemodels are by far the best thing on a dirt track, thats why the big name mod guys are now running Latemodels better racing and better money!!!Doesnt really matter to me, I was just bustin anyway. I dont care what anyone runs alot of good classes to satisfy everyone. Opinions on real racing are often regional, in upstate ny Modifieds are king in pa its sprints and lates.

[SHANZILLA]

WDRA race!...heck i've seen so many cars with the RR completely inside the body(where rule says you must have 1/3 viewed from TOP FRONT and REAR...)...that wdra tech is not a standard...

rules are there...thet're printed...the main problem is there is no REAL tech goin on...

EricSounds like a DIRT sanctioned race track. lol

[siggy99x]

Doesnt really matter to me, I was just bustin anyway. I dont care what anyone runs alot of good classes to satisfy everyone. Opinions on real racing are often regional, in upstate ny Modifieds are king in pa its sprints and lates.

I agree see you in a few weks

[siggy99x]

Sounds like a DIRT sanctioned race track. lol


Dam you hit the nail on the head with DIRT LOL!!

[irocz69]

I must agree the rules for EDM can be a pain, but I still believe if you would make a basic template that looks like the "REAL CARS" w/no fenders or sail panels, then there wouldn't be any problems.

As far as the Latemodel classes, I must agree w/Ed. There is no respect for each other. There like watching the bumper cars @ the fair, but I still enjoy racing in all the classes, weather it be EDM, LM, or Sprint.

Now for my other 2cents, I think one of the powers to be, should soon address this thread before RJ & others take it places it should never go !!!:D

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S.

[kipp]

racing is much more respectfull in the open wheel classes. i like latemodels but dont like watching people drive through each other. ever notice during a latemodel race you hear loud bangs every 10 seconds?

[Dirtmod2]

racing is much more respectfull in the open wheel classes. i like latemodels but dont like watching people drive through each other. ever notice during a latemodel race you hear loud bangs every 10 seconds?


Now you gonna hear a bang every 5 seconds. I just put one together for the Open Wheel...lol

[KUSTOM-1]

Now you gonna hear a bang every 5 seconds. I just put one together for the Open Wheel...lol
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Team GFRP]

Now you gonna hear a bang every 5 seconds. I just put one together for the Open Wheel...lol

5??? More like 2...

[Dirtmod2]

5??? More like 2...

Oh you got one too....lol

[Team GFRP]

Oh you got one too....lol


Nope I've just seen you drive:eek:

[Rob Cutman]

where on the deck can it be mounted off to the side, middle, leading edge?

These two Sentences from the rules page should be considered when answering this question:

All EDM bodies, sprint car bodies and cages must resemble contemporary full scale cars racing in “World of Outlaws” and “DIRT” sanctioned events.

And

Inner panel must have hood that extends from front of inner panel to at least the leading edge of the roof.

Hope that helps.

Rob

[teopro27]

Not to sound stupid or keep this thread going....But what part of the inner wing or deck do you call the leading edge? Is it directly behind the shock tower or a few inches back were the front of the inner wing starts? I try to mount a hood so it looks realistic, the "X" car will be changed, its a rental...lol Thanks for the help!

[TQ Cells]

These two Sentences from the rules page should be considered when answering this question:

All EDM bodies, sprint car bodies and cages must resemble contemporary full scale cars racing in “World of Outlaws” and “DIRT” sanctioned events.

And

Inner panel must have hood that extends from front of inner panel to at least the leading edge of the roof.

Hope that helps.

Rob

Rob, I understand the rule is Black on White and that it means the hood must extends from front of inner panel to at least the leading edge of the roof AND that it must resembles contemporary full scale cars racing in “DIRT” sanctioned events. BUT many had hoods not centered in the inner panel last year and they got away with it (with the same set of rules).

IMHO it'd seal the case if you'd confirm here they need to be centered in the inner panel and extends from front of inner panel to at least the leading edge of the roof.

Steve.

[latemodel13]

I saw a toothpaste package made into a hood last year at the open wheel! It wasn't fast enough to be Illegal though.

[teopro27]

Crest or Colgate?

[johnellinger]

Crest or Colgate?
Like u use toothpaste or somthn !

[teopro27]

Like u use toothpaste or somthn !


your mom makes me!:ha:

[johnellinger]

your mom makes me!:ha:
Lmao ! that was foul !

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Why can't the EDM bodies look more like real EDM's? Like TeoPro27's Avitar??? Sorry I just get a chuckle about this body/hood thing that always comes up.... Make 'em run a MOLDED center section and they'll LOOK the part and you won't have to worrk about hood placement. just a thought. :thumbsup:;) Cheers:beer:

[solly]

Why can't the EDM bodies look more like real EDM's? Like TeoPro27's Avitar??? Sorry I just get a chuckle about this body/hood thing that always comes up.... Make 'em run a MOLDED center section and they'll LOOK the part and you won't have to worrk about hood placement. just a thought. :thumbsup:;) Cheers:beer:


go away

just a thought

[rj14]

Why can't the EDM bodies look more like real EDM's? Like TeoPro27's Avitar??? Sorry I just get a chuckle about this body/hood thing that always comes up.... Make 'em run a MOLDED center section and they'll LOOK the part and you won't have to worrk about hood placement. just a thought. :thumbsup:;) Cheers:beer:

They don't have to be molded to look realistic.......

[irocz69]

They don't have to be molded to look realistic.......

I agree, they don't have to be molded, but I think the original question was , do the hoods have to be 3/4in from front to back . Now reading Robs post ,they must look realistic. Which should be no problem for most, but there are always a few that have to bitch, moan, groan, & complain.

With that being said, I believe if you have a molded hood ( like the CW sprint hoods) or something that is w/in the dimentions of the rules, then you shouldn't have a problem. Im sure if you have a tapper @ the front of your hood it not going to be an issue, as long as somewhere immediatly after that you abide by the 3/4 rule.

Hope this helps & is correct ! If not this message will self destruct in 10 seconds ! :D

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S.

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

They don't have to be molded to look realistic.......

very true. Kippy has a good lookin' EDM center section that starts life as flat stock lexan. Don't worry Solly just givin' my humble .02 cents here. ;)

[ctsieber]

go away

just a thought


:thumbsup:

[TQ Cells]

I agree, they don't have to be molded, but I think the original question was , do the hoods have to be 3/4in from front to back . Now reading Robs post ,they must look realistic. Which should be no problem for most, but there are always a few that have to bitch, moan, groan, & complain.

With that being said, I believe if you have a molded hood ( like the CW sprint hoods) or something that is w/in the dimentions of the rules, then you shouldn't have a problem. Im sure if you have a tapper @ the front of your hood it not going to be an issue, as long as somewhere immediatly after that you abide by the 3/4 rule.

Hope this helps & is correct ! If not this message will self destruct in 10 seconds ! :D

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Steve.

[teopro27]

This hood design should keep the motor and esc cool....:thumbsup:


http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c343/DPEEK27/07SDW_58_Merv_10204.jpg

[rj14]

Now for my other 2cents, I think one of the powers to be, should soon address this thread before RJ & others take it places it should never go !!!:D

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S.


I missed this line......

I believe I have been more than civil and thoughtfull on this thread. There have been others that have turned this into a bash session. I for one do not ever wish to see the EDM class go away. So it is for this reason that I try my best not to twist the rules dicussions concerning EDM's.

I will publicly announce for the first time, regardless of what anyone elses opinions are, that I personally feel we should have an approved body list. PERIOD! It would eliminate a bunch of this BS!!

I would have no issue and would gladly submit the 3 basic designs of EDM bodies I build for an approval process. Then, just like the latemodels, if I change something or wish to add a new body I would be bound to the approval deadline dates much like the latemodels. This would end this back and forth and lock in designs so people don't feel alienated and fall into the latest greatest deal. If you run an approved body on the list, we as fabricators give you stickers to run so the tech people know what the model is and this discussion each year is a moot point!

I find it humorous that a thread like this gets started when WE all know the rules haven't changed and everyone, for the most part, commenting in here had bodies that passed tech last year.

The rules didn't change people!!!!!

All these questions do is alienate us w/ the sanctioning groups, race organizers and tech people. If we ask the same questions over and over they will get tired of it all and say screw it, we don't need the hassle!!!

FFnF
DW
SPD
NDRB
Kipp's
Bo-Flecks
Salvas


Half of the above list will be against an approved list, the other half will be all for it.

We need to settle this once and for all! We need to get a 3rd party or Rob to accept responsibility and take this project on! Heck even someone on the list can do it if we all agree to the person. We know the rules and aren't afraid to call BS on someone.

From that list it would give a racer probably close to 20+ bodies to choose from.

We might even see the class come back to areas that it had previously gone away from.


Rant over!!

[solly]

you make bodies?

[rj14]

you make bodies?

Yes......you have run one of them

[teopro27]

The current body rules are just fine, it seems like the hood area is the issue. The rule makers want the cars to look realistic, when was the last time a real dirt mod had the doors hang over the front tires? or a roof 6 feet off the deck?. The current edm bodies are not realistic looking unless you grew near East windsor speedway during the 80's /90's and smoked crack....lol

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c343/DPEEK27/03_10_03_303_DMU_EWS_2000_1.jpg

[RCRACR20]

All that was asked was a little bit of clarification. Apparently, rather than give a straight forward answer, they wanted to copy and paste the rules and let us determine it on our own.

Not a problem at all :thumbsup:

[rj14]

The current body rules are just fine, it seems like the hood area is the issue. The rule makers want the cars to look realistic, when was the last time a real dirt mod had the doors hang over the front tires? or a roof 6 feet off the deck?. The current edm bodies are not realistic looking unless you grew near East windsor speedway during the 80's /90's and smoked crack....lol

i'm not saying we change them......they are actually VERY clear. at least to me. But I am just saying there is a way to remove ALL doubt.

unless someone knows something I don't, the hood will end up being somewhat down the center of the body. it may not be dead on center but it should be somewhat down the middle between the posts.

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Now isn't this a good lookin' Rendition???
http://www.mcallisterracing.com/racing/263-2%20Ransomville%20Big%20Block%20EDM.JPG

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

...

[ctsieber]

go away

just a thought


:thumbsup:

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

...

[rj14]

OTR this is not the time or place for your useless junk.


I seriously think you need a Ridley mark sometimes

[teopro27]

this was my question......

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c343/DPEEK27/CCF12012009_00000.jpg

[rj14]

Dave-


35726

[rj14]

Dave-


35726


this is not a joke or mis direct link-

here is a pdf as well

35727

[teopro27]

Perfect, thanks RJ.

[rj14]

Perfect, thanks RJ.

Now you can see my frustration.....based on that info I provided, realistically you can't offset the hood but by so much. So based on the reply by Rob quoting the rules they as matter of fact pretty cut and dry. Now if you eliminate that center extension of the deck.....it is a different ballgame alltogether!!!

Which we all know will be done by someone if not multiple people. Which in turn makes the body even less "resembeling" a full scale car.

[kipp]

lol..this thread is only shedding a negative light on the edm class. the rules are fine. we dont need a approved body list. lots of racers enjoy building thier own bodys. in my opinion the leading edge of the deck is directly behind the shock tower. i feel the hoods dont have to be centered because the bodys for the most part are offset to the left. my hoods are centered behind the shock tower because i like the way it looks there.

[rj14]

in my opinion the leading edge of the deck is directly behind the shock tower. i feel the hoods dont have to be centered because the bodys for the most part are offset to the left. my hoods are centered behind the shock tower because i like the way it looks there.

that is what i pointed out on Dave's sketch.. you can't but offset it so much! Thus rendering this whole thread a waste....

except it is helping my post count

[teopro27]

lol..this thread is only shedding a negative light on the edm class. the rules are fine. we dont need a approved body list. lots of racers enjoy building thier own bodys. in my opinion the leading edge of the deck is directly behind the shock tower. i feel the hoods dont have to be centered because the bodys for the most part are offset to the left. my hoods are centered behind the shock tower because i like the way it looks there.


:thumbsup::thumbsup::beer:

[curtisp]

lol..this thread is only shedding a negative light on the edm class. the rules are fine. we dont need a approved body list. lots of racers enjoy building thier own bodys. in my opinion the leading edge of the deck is directly behind the shock tower. i feel the hoods dont have to be centered because the bodys for the most part are offset to the left. my hoods are centered behind the shock tower because i like the way it looks there.


agreed! :thumbsup::thumbsup::beer:

And...I agree with RJ's addition to the sketch...although I was a little leary to click on the link. :eek:

[rj14]

agreed! :thumbsup::thumbsup::beer:

And...I agree with RJ's addition to the sketch...although I was a little leary to click on the link. :eek:

I have no idea why??:rolleyes::D:D

[teopro27]

ya...I wasn't sure, but I said to myself "got hates a coward"....it worked out! Thanks again RJ...:thumbsup:

[johnellinger]

This hood design should keep the motor and esc cool....:thumbsup:


http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c343/DPEEK27/07SDW_58_Merv_10204.jpg
Peek, Do u knw who this is ! Mighty Merv Trichler ! nice pic , thnks !

[teopro27]

Ya Nellinger, I've been to a race or two before!

[rj14]

i think i'm just going to make a body out of paper mache....and when you hit it on the track, candy will fall out of it!

[ericsalvas]

great posts guys(kipp, rj14, teopro27)...

BASICLY..

if your hood(over its whole surface) is...
- having a minimum height of 3/4''...
- having a minimum width of 2''...
- its positionned from the begining of inner panel(like posted by rj14(from the real leading edge behind shock tower)) to the front portion of top(ROOF) ...
- its centered(or close to be) in THE INNER PANEL...not over the chassis..

YOU'LL THEN WON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM


IF NOT...YOU MIGHT HAVE TO ARGUE YOUR POINT OF VIEW...AND LOSE VALUABLE TIME!

Eric

[dylan]

Peek, Do u knw who this is ! Mighty Merv Trichler ! nice pic , thnks !
that is what we shoulg be racing

[signman501]

Someday I will go to a race to see real NY Modifieds race. Never seen them before and I must do this someday.

[johnellinger]

Ya Nellinger, I've been to a race or two before!
u wldnt knw it the way u drive ! and quit clln me nellinger , u prk! :)

[teopro27]

ok johne llinger

[johnny cat]

Just my 2 cents ...

From the rules ... "Inner panel must have hood that extends from front of inner panel to at least the leading edge of the roof." ... "Minimum hood height: .750"

My interpretation is a minimum of .75" height at any point ...if it's not the case, it'd be too easy to have a hood that is .020" high!?! then have it go back up to the minimum requested .75" ... I saw many hoods with the front of hood flared to nothing, I personally don't think it goes along with the rules.

As far as side to side IMHO it should be centered in the inner panel (though it does not specify such in the rules) as again, if we can offset it why not put it completely on one side!?!

Steve. It does specify in rules.General rules 2WD, All EDM bodies, sprint car bodies and cages must resemble contemporary full scale cars racing in “World of Outlaws” and “DIRT” sanctioned events.Have you seen a DIRT mod racing at Drummond,Granby or any other DIRT track with the hood offset completely to one side ?

[TQ Cells]

It does specify in rules.General rules 2WD, All EDM bodies, sprint car bodies and cages must resemble contemporary full scale cars racing in “World of Outlaws” and “DIRT” sanctioned events.Have you seen a DIRT mod racing at Drummond,Granby or any other DIRT track with the hood offset completely to one side ?

I agree.

One day I'll show up with 1:10 scale DIRT Modified body that looks real and races good too ... then we can start building on a strong set of body rules. Anyway, we shall wait a bit as DIRT is currently talking/looking at changing the look of the Big Block Mods to differentiate them from 358, Sportsman, etc.

Steve.

[staatsbmxkid]

i have seen few hoods offset to the left by a half inch or so to clear the antenna. other than that i dont see advantage to it.

i think the mods are getting taller longer doors with thinner sheetmetal for them to flop in the corners lol and sail panals :p

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Here's a pic from Selinsgrove, PA in '08. Now without a tape the hoods look pretty darn centerline....
http://www.rocdirt.com/3-15-08SgroveRoCMods078.jpg
As for Sidedams on R/C's be goofy I think it's proportion control. The R/C sidedams have just gotten too tall and long. (Plus the real 1:1 cars don't extend the sides over ANY of the front tire. The sidedams are simply too big)
http://www.rocdirt.com/3-15-08SgroveRoCMods007.jpg

[SHANZILLA]

Dirt bodies are centered on the frame.

[ericsalvas]

YEAH!....BUT....the chassis' are offset to the axle(wheels)...

c'mon guys...stop that full scale / 10th scale war...

we race RC cars...we are dirt oval fans....and our cars(the majority) are looking freakin good...

lets simply go by the rules...and not try to go by those...

all these debates...only affect the popularity of the class...

our EDM's have sail panels...have huge inner panels...and are..


FUN to drine...lets keep the fun side of it

Eric

[johnellinger]

some body lock this frkkn tread already !

[teopro27]

your right nellinger....LOCK IT!

[Rob Cutman]

where on the deck can it be mounted off to the side, middle, leading edge?


Ok i guess some people think I wasnt clear enough in my response so how does this sound:

Middle.... Just like every full scale DIRT modified I have seen racing lately in contemporary DIRT sanctioned Events.

Is that better?

Rob

[teopro27]

Middle of the deck/wing or shock towers?.....lol Just kidding you Rob!....I dont care were my freakin hood has to be, I cant wait to race....:greenflag: Thanks for putting up with us so far!

[Rob Cutman]

Using a picture of one of Kipps bodies as an example, the very front of the hood has virtually no height to it, but it does raise up an inch or two back to meet the rule specifications. I posted a couple pictures of real cars to kind of illustrate that also.

Basically, as I posted, my main question is whether or not the hood I used at last years Open wheel race and last years February Freeze, which is cut down just like the one on in the pictures from Kipps site, would still be deemed Legal or if I new Hood would need to be fabricated.

Matt,
Can I ask why if you ran the exact same hood last year you would ask if it would be legal this year even though the rules have not changed?

All that was asked was a little bit of clarification. Apparently, rather than give a straight forward answer, they wanted to copy and paste the rules and let us determine it on our own.

Not a problem at all :thumbsup:

Sorry I guess leaving this up to you was probably not the smartest thing I could have done. I posted the two rules that pertained to the Hood and its placement on the inner panel, pretty straight forward I thought. Since the two pics you posted of a full scale Contemporary EDM have a hood like you are describing and you ran the same exact hood last year with no issues I would have thought that you could conclude on your own that it would be OK this year as well. Sorry for overestimating your potential, I really thought you had a shot at this one. My Bad!

Rob

[Rob Cutman]

I cant believe I missed the Victoria's Secret Fashion show to deal with this crap.

[rj14]

I cant believe I missed the Victoria's Secret Fashion show to deal with this crap.

Multi tasking is your friend....

I can post a link to a website that has it up right now for your viewing pleasure.

[Rob Cutman]

Matt,

My hoods are just like those of the one you posted of Kippy's. I feel if they were legal last year they should be fine this year.

I argue the fact that the hood has to be mounted based on the furthest point forward on the deck. They aren't that way on the full size cars. On our bodies, the piece that extends to the back of the shock tower isn't functional per say. Rather just a cover to the steering assy. Therefore the leading edge of the hood should line up w/ the largest forward perpendicular plane to the side panels.

RJ,
I think you will find that if you look at most of the full scale EDM's the front of the Hood extends beyond the leading edge of the Deck/innerpanel on the sides. All the ones I recall seeing have been like this but then again its not like I see them every week down here so I could be wrong. To clarify the intention of the rule the Hood needs to be centered and extend all the way to the furthest point forward of the inner panel. Most hoods taper down in height and in some cases width from the leading edge of the side pods forward and a hood like this will be perfectly legal. The piece you are refering to that covers the steering linkage is in most examples I have seen also a Hood.

Rob

[Rob Cutman]

Multi tasking is your friend....

I can post a link to a website that has it up right now for your viewing pleasure.

Thanks anyway but I use both hands to type. I DVR'd it so I will watch it later when I can concentrate.

[rj14]

RJ,
I think you will find that if you look at most of the full scale EDM's the front of the Hood extends beyond the leading edge of the Deck/innerpanel on the sides. All the ones I recall seeing have been like this but then again its not like I see them every week down here so I could be wrong. To clarify the intention of the rule the Hood needs to be centered and extend all the way to the furthest point forward of the inner panel. Most hoods taper down in height and in some cases width from the leading edge of the side pods forward and a hood like this will be perfectly legal. The piece you are refering to that covers the steering linkage is in most examples I have seen also a Hood.

Rob


The more I look at them I see what you are saying..It's cool, I get the intent and wasn't planning on mounting mine any different than last years anyways.

Thanks

[SHANZILLA]

YEAH!....BUT....the chassis' are offset to the axle(wheels)...

c'mon guys...stop that full scale / 10th scale war...

we race RC cars...we are dirt oval fans....and our cars(the majority) are looking freakin good...

lets simply go by the rules...and not try to go by those...

all these debates...only affect the popularity of the class...

our EDM's have sail panels...have huge inner panels...and are..


FUN to drine...lets keep the fun side of it

EricWELL kind of, rear is centered on frame just uses shorter left side tube appearing like the chassis is offset but rear is still centered. lol:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[rj14]

Thanks anyway but I use both hands to type. I DVR'd it so I will watch it later when I can concentrate.


WOW, that is a visualization I didn't really need.......

[Rob Cutman]

You know the EDM's have gotten much easier to tech the last year or two. For a while I thought it was because the rules were now consistent, after reading this thread I came to the further realization that the tech lines for the EDM's are just getting much shorter.

Go Figure!

[rj14]

you know the edm's have gotten much easier to tech the last year or two. For a while i thought it was because the rules were now consistent, after reading this thread i came to the further realization that the tech lines for the edm's are just getting much shorter.

Go figure!


lmao!!!!

[signman501]

Most everybody in PA runs Late Model. No body problem there. (I still like the edm's though)

[ctsieber]

you know the edm's have gotten much easier to tech the last year or two. For a while i thought it was because the rules were now consistent, after reading this thread i came to the further realization that the tech lines for the edm's are just getting much shorter.

Go figure!

lol

[mo29ktm380]

WELL kind of, rear is centered on frame just uses shorter left side tube appearing like the chassis is offset but rear is still centered. lol:thumbsup::thumbsup:

AH....only from the torque arms to the frame on both sides.....now frame to spindle is indeed "offset"....and in some case the front axle is shoved to one side or the other!!!

[RCRACR20]

Matt,
Can I ask why if you ran the exact same hood last year you would ask if it would be legal this year even though the rules have not changed?

Just wanted to double check. You mentioned a couple possible rules changes may take place sometime after the Freeze, wasnt sure if anything did in fact change.

To clarify the intention of the rule the Hood needs to be centered and extend all the way to the furthest point forward of the inner panel. Most hoods taper down in height and in some cases width from the leading edge of the side pods forward and a hood like this will be perfectly legal.


Thanks Rob!

[sawoff]

I cant believe I missed the Victoria's Secret Fashion show to deal with this crap.

here you go Rob just a little clip for ya
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/victoria-s-secret-fashion-show-2009-enchanted-forest/17uv30mn9