Rolling starts for the Electric classes...

[TQ Cells]

May I suggest we go with rolling starts for the Electric classes this year ...

They're more fun ... they're challenging ... you can play some strategy and still, they provide the cleanest starts IMHO.

Steve.

[Team GFRP]

They blow for limited classes though. Especially since the mains are lined up by the dash results not the qualifying.

[JAC9]

May I suggest we go with rolling starts for the Electric classes this year ...

They're more fun ... they're challenging ... you can play some strategy and still, they provide the cleanest starts IMHO.

Steve.


I'll second that!

[johnellinger]

i'm in ! :thumbsup:

[Dan D]

May I suggest we go with rolling starts for the Electric classes this year ...

They're more fun ... they're challenging ... you can play some strategy and still, they provide the cleanest starts IMHO.

Steve.


this format has been a successful all year....... i vote for it :thumbsup:

[Teamt2c]

i like it, Im in!

[terry14]

May I suggest we go with rolling starts for the Electric classes this year ...

They're more fun ... they're challenging ... you can play some strategy and still, they provide the cleanest starts IMHO.

Steve.


yes :thumbsup:

[signman501]

Yes, I'm for rolling starts.

[cobra22431]

off the pole rolling start where the first lap dont count works very well at our local club and gives a much cleaner start for all. I hope we will be doing it!!!

[WADE ROWLEY]

i'm in ! :thumbsup:

did you sign up for the OW from Solly's dream world, because i did not see ya on the list...:ha::confused:


rolling starts are fun, RJ has been coaching me, so i should be better at it...:thumbsup:


:checkeredflag:

[Porksalot4l]

May I suggest we go with rolling starts for the Electric classes this year ...

They're more fun ... they're challenging ... you can play some strategy and still, they provide the cleanest starts IMHO.

Steve.


i totally agree the starts are so much more clean then a off the tone start! nothing sucks worse then getting banged up off the start of the main.

[dylan]

i'm in only if they are double file and 20 car fields. rolling starts blow electric guys don't know how to do them right the pace is always full speed and the 6th place car is always a half of lap or more behind

[TQ Cells]

i'm in only if they are double file and 20 car fields. rolling starts blow electric guys don't know how to do them right the pace is always full speed and the 6th place car is always a half of lap or more behind

They always have a pace car (or truck) at the USOW ... so proper pace prior to the start shouldn't be a problem.

It did go A1 this summer in the PA Tour ... Electric guys weren't any worse or better than the Nitro guys ;)

Steve.

[k-clark]

If it's the DODC rule makers intentions to make this hobby as realistic as possible it only makes sense to me...and we use rolling starts at Bumps with great results. :thumbsup:

[JASONHastings]

If it's the DODC rule makers intentions to make this hobby as realistic as possible it only makes sense to me...and we use rolling starts at Bumps with great results. :thumbsup:I agree. I think they should go with 50 lap mains also.:thumbsup:

[boatanchor48]

lets do it

[solly]

only if i get to wheel the pace car

[terry14]

I agree. I think they should go with 50 lap mains also.:thumbsup:


what a concept. a real race as opposed to glorified time trials all day. i like it :thumbsup:

[JASONHastings]

what a concept. a real race as opposed to glorified time trials all day. i like it :thumbsup:I think they should run the four minute heats to set the mains but run 50 lappers for all mains and I am for rolling starts on the Electric classes not to get off the original subject.

[rj14]

did you sign up for the OW from Solly's dream world, because i did not see ya on the list...:ha::confused:


rolling starts are fun, RJ has been coaching me, so i should be better at it...:thumbsup:


:checkeredflag:

Now that's funny!!!

i'm in only if they are double file and 20 car fields. rolling starts blow electric guys don't know how to do them right the pace is always full speed and the 6th place car is always a half of lap or more behind

You mean all the cars behind Bob Mott, right?

only if i get to wheel the pace car

I want to see you wheel the pace car during your race and still race in it...

[Quick Change]

Rolling starts work well.:thumbsup:

[irocz69]

Double file rolling starts would be very interesting, but the rolling starts @ Bumps have been working real well w/the electric cars.

GO FAST TURN LEFT ! Keith S.

[Custom Works RC]

You will probably see rolling starts in electric this year but don't hold your breath for the 50 lap mains.

[JASONHastings]

You will probably see rolling starts in electric this year but don't hold your breath for the 50 lap mains.50 Lapper just an idea didn't think it would make the cut.

[siggy99x]

You will probably see rolling starts in electric this year but don't hold your breath for the 50 lap mains.
:thumbsup:Sounds great:thumbsup:

[cobra22431]

You dont need a pace car for rolling start, anouncer says off the poll and everyone follows the leader around the track staying in their start position no passing at lower speed, race starts as each car goes over the line on first lap and we all on our own clock. Pace car slows the show down!They always have a pace car (or truck) at the USOW ... so proper pace prior to the start shouldn't be a problem.

It did go A1 this summer in the PA Tour ... Electric guys weren't any worse or better than the Nitro guys ;)

Steve.

[solly]

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i also heard that the sky is falling

[Zepp70]

You will probably see rolling starts in electric this year but don't hold your breath for the 50 lap mains.

Sounds great!

[teopro27]

What do rolling starts prevent or help? Just a question, not judging anything...yet!

[johnellinger]

What do rolling starts prevent or help? Just a question, not judging anything...yet!
ur opinion dsnt mattr, u cnt take a hot lap without ur car look'n like ur avaiter ! :thumbsup:

[ctsieber]

ur opinion dsnt mattr, u cnt take a hot lap without ur car look'n like ur avaiter ! :thumbsup:
haha!!!!

[teopro27]

hey nellinger, I hope the have a concourse at this race, it's your only chance at a trophy!......shots fired.....LOL

[billy]

how about ifmar mains too

[Breckenridge]

Rolling starts are probably more fair and cleaner if executed properly. The biggest issue is if the leader decides to steadily pick up speed in the middle of the backstretch in anticipation of the 4th turn start. Then the gaps between the cars get bigger and the 8th place car who should be in the middle of the backstretch on the start is still in turn 2.

As long as the race director can wave off these types of starts it should be okay.

[TQ Cells]

Rolling starts are probably more fair and cleaner if executed properly. The biggest issue is if the leader decides to steadily pick up speed in the middle of the backstretch in anticipation of the 4th turn start. Then the gaps between the cars get bigger and the 8th place car who should be in the middle of the backstretch on the start is still in turn 2.

As long as the race director can wave off these types of starts it should be okay.

With Mr. Ernst in the house you know it won't be an issue:p

Steve.

[johnellinger]

hey nellinger, I hope the have a concourse at this race, it's your only chance at a trophy!......shots fired.....LOL
its nicer thn that special Olympics medal u ware so proud ! lmao ! :p Yaa !

[Mr. T-4T]

how about ifmar mains too No Hondas Allowed.

[teopro27]

its nicer thn that special Olympics medal u ware so proud ! lmao ! :p Yaa !


man, cheap shot...you win a couple of medals at the short bus Olympics and everyone finds out.....Your a big mouth Nellinger! Hey are you ever going to run that procar you won, or is it going to be a shelf queen like your other cars?

[dylan]

how about ifmar mains too


i agree lets take all the racing out of the weekend

[solly]

i agree lets take all the racing out of the weekend

i think you should quit racing altogether, you arent that good anyway

[dylan]

dink

[brhodes]

I am new to the whole dirt oval thing but I cannot see the advantage of rolling starts. I understand the theory of cleaner starts but with rolling starts I see equal potential for wrecks on the start as the drivers starting the back virtually have no chance given the level of competition other than jumping the start. How much extra time is this going to take to do rolling starts? How many re-do's will their be per main? A minute or two extra per main turns into hours with the number of mains. If no re-do's are allowed then how many mains will be started with cars in the back already tangled up? It just sounds like more trouble than it is worth. Other than being the polesitter I would much rather take my chances on a standing start and be within a reasonable distance behind the leaders to start the race. Again I will probably be in an M main being new to this so it won't make much difference but just my thoughts. Leave the rolling starts for club racing IMO. Bob Rhodes

[cobra22431]

it will add about 6 seconds per race. If you have never done a off the pole rolling start then you need to try it. It takes out the pile up crash in the first turn, spaces out cars for less contact and makes it fair no matter where you start on the grid. Your race starts when you go over the finish line for the first time. This is the way real cars do it only differance being is they follow a pace car we will just follow the leader since adding a pace car takes more time.The mains are still on the horn.I am new to the whole dirt oval thing but I cannot see the advantage of rolling starts. I understand the theory of cleaner starts but with rolling starts I see equal potential for wrecks on the start as the drivers starting the back virtually have no chance given the level of competition other than jumping the start. How much extra time is this going to take to do rolling starts? How many re-do's will their be per main? A minute or two extra per main turns into hours with the number of mains. If no re-do's are allowed then how many mains will be started with cars in the back already tangled up? It just sounds like more trouble than it is worth. Other than being the polesitter I would much rather take my chances on a standing start and be within a reasonable distance behind the leaders to start the race. Again I will probably be in an M main being new to this so it won't make much difference but just my thoughts. Leave the rolling starts for club racing IMO. Bob Rhodes

[brhodes]

it will add about 6 seconds per race. If you have never done a off the pole rolling start then you need to try it. It takes out the pile up crash in the first turn, spaces out cars for less contact and makes it fair no matter where you start on the grid. Your race starts when you go over the finish line for the first time. This is the way real cars do it only differance being is they follow a pace car we will just follow the leader since adding a pace car takes more time.The mains are still on the horn.

Oh my bad I thought this discussion was for rolling starts for mains. I think it sounds great for heats.

[bumps and jumps rc]

They are talking about mains.
We start rolling starts in the mains every week - it is much cleaner than standing starts.
Bobby - you are just used to the asphalt where the guy in front of you doesn't get sideways. In dirt it seems it happens every race when the person in front of you squeezes the trigger goes sideways and you punt him and yourself into the board and are now 1 lap down. :thumbsdown:

[brhodes]

They are talking about mains.
We start rolling starts in the mains every week - it is much cleaner than standing starts.
Bobby - you are just used to the asphalt where the guy in front of you doesn't get sideways. In dirt it seems it happens every race when the person in front of you squeezes the trigger goes sideways and you punt him and yourself into the board and are now 1 lap down. :thumbsdown:


Chris,
I understand getting off the line can be dangerous but if you start towards the back of a rolling start your already a half a lap down even if you start clean. I would rather take my chances and not be guranteed to be 1/2 lap down to start. The competition is going to be fierce and the diefference between starting the race 15 ft behind the leader as opposed to 75 ft behind the leader is huge imo. It also seems like it could open up a can of worms with jumped starts and such that isnt needed. Again I am new to the dirt scene so take it for what it's worth.

The race will be awesome regardless and I can't wait. It was just my thoughts. My M main will be fun regardless of how the race is started. See ya tomorrow.

[curtisp]

Chris,
I understand getting off the line can be dangerous but if you start towards the back of a rolling start your already a half a lap down even if you start clean. I would rather take my chances and not be guranteed to be 1/2 lap down to start. The competition is going to be fierce and the diefference between starting the race 15 ft behind the leader as opposed to 75 ft behind the leader is huge imo. It also seems like it could open up a can of worms with jumped starts and such that isnt needed. Again I am new to the dirt scene so take it for what it's worth.

The race will be awesome regardless and I can't wait. It was just my thoughts. My M main will be fun regardless of how the race is started. See ya tomorrow.

Give it a chance before you decide if it's a good thing or not.

You won't be a half a lap down at the start of your race if you start up front. ;)

[rj14]

Chris,
I understand getting off the line can be dangerous but if you start towards the back of a rolling start your already a half a lap down even if you start clean. I would rather take my chances and not be guranteed to be 1/2 lap down to start. The competition is going to be fierce and the diefference between starting the race 15 ft behind the leader as opposed to 75 ft behind the leader is huge imo. It also seems like it could open up a can of worms with jumped starts and such that isnt needed. Again I am new to the dirt scene so take it for what it's worth.

The race will be awesome regardless and I can't wait. It was just my thoughts. My M main will be fun regardless of how the race is started. See ya tomorrow.


Realistically it isn't an issue, if it was you would never see multiple bump ups of one driver. On the PA Tour this past year we used rolling starts. We rarely had a pile up on the first corner...in the lower mains starting donkey has an advantage. I can't tell you how many times by the third lap I was in a transfer spot because of a pile up. The only time starting donkey in a main is a disadvantage is when you are in the C or higher....but even then you really arent at a disadvantage.

[brhodes]

Give it a chance before you decide if it's a good thing or not.

You won't be a half a lap down at the start of your race if you start up front. ;)


Hey I gotta look out for fellow back markers. haha. I would probably only have a 50% chance of a clean start with single car mains.


As I said the race will be awesome regardless. I can't wait.

[staatsbmxkid]

man, cheap shot...you win a couple of medals at the short bus Olympics and everyone finds out.....Your a big mouth Nellinger! Hey are you ever going to run that procar you won, or is it going to be a shelf queen like your other cars?

hey man u know the only thing better than winning the special olympics right?




......... not being retarded :p

[teopro27]

hey man u know the only thing better than winning the special olympics right?




......... not being retarded :p



Darin too bad you cant do either one!

[rj14]

never gonna give, never gonna give

[ericsalvas]

Chris,
I understand getting off the line can be dangerous but if you start towards the back of a rolling start your already a half a lap down even if you start clean. I would rather take my chances and not be guranteed to be 1/2 lap down to start. The competition is going to be fierce and the diefference between starting the race 15 ft behind the leader as opposed to 75 ft behind the leader is huge imo. It also seems like it could open up a can of worms with jumped starts and such that isnt needed. Again I am new to the dirt scene so take it for what it's worth.

The race will be awesome regardless and I can't wait. It was just my thoughts. My M main will be fun regardless of how the race is started. See ya tomorrow.


bob...i truely understand your comments....bieng also a pancar racer...it looks like it could be a disadvantage ....but it really isn't...it truely makes cleaner starts...and RARELY the lineup stays the same troughout the race...cars gets loose...racers made bad setup calls...track changes....all those things a pancar guy rarely works with....AND...also there is bump ups...

all those things makes what dirt oval is all about....truely fun racing...and unpredictable endings

Eric

[cobra22431]

I have the feeling if you do it in the mains there will be to many waved off races or pissed off racers mad at the guy in front of him for not keeping up with the guys in front on the start. It may work with your weekly racers who are use to it. I am all for it in heats but for main I am not so sure. With this many cars and mains it may be better to only do it in the heats only. I thought we were only talking about heats!! They are talking about mains.
We start rolling starts in the mains every week - it is much cleaner than standing starts.
Bobby - you are just used to the asphalt where the guy in front of you doesn't get sideways. In dirt it seems it happens every race when the person in front of you squeezes the trigger goes sideways and you punt him and yourself into the board and are now 1 lap down. :thumbsdown:

[teopro27]

I was told we are going to set are radios on the drivers stand, then they are going to shuttle us to the end of the parking lot. Over the loud speaker they will start the race, you have to run through the parking lot, into the bulding up the stairs to your radio then go....sounds easy huh!:ha::ha::ha:

I really dont care how we start, as long as we race! The rolling starts will be the same for everyone, just like a slick track were everyone has to adjust for it. I would suggest people practice some before December.:checkeredflag: I'm going to practice my wieght lifting:beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:: beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::be er::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer ::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::blackflag:

[staatsbmxkid]

haha 12oz curls very nice peek. yea i did enjoy the rolling starts in nitro alot more than our 6 or 7 attempts at standing start monday. its nothing against anyone its just 6-7 cars and 1 spot they all aim for. it takes 2 laps or so for it to settle down once a clean start is givin

[Dan D]

I have the feeling if you do it in the mains there will be to many waved off races or pissed off racers mad at the guy in front of him for not keeping up with the guys in front on the start. It may work with your weekly racers who are use to it. I am all for it in heats but for main I am not so sure. With this many cars and mains it may be better to only do it in the heats only. I thought we were only talking about heats!!

we have been doing rolling starts for about a year now and havent had any waved off races or pissed off racers. well they waved off a lap or 2 but not the way you are making it sound. and there is always a pissed off racer for some reason or another....LOL. this process takes less time than everyone grouping up on the track and some one setting your car down on the line and one guys car rolls away or he hits the trigger and the car moves then you have to start all over again. the rolling start is also a cleaner start. i have seen plenty of standing starts and first turn crashes or just crashes period at the start and the race continues.....talk about pissed off people and having a bad race. .........so try it, you might like it.

[Smokinnitro]

DanD is right I vote for rolling starts

Dan usually does not make anyone mad still after the start!! LOL

[TQ Cells]

we have been doing rolling starts for about a year now and havent had any waved off races or pissed off racers. well they waved off a lap or 2 but not the way you are making it sound. and there is always a pissed off racer for some reason or another....LOL. this process takes less time than everyone grouping up on the track and some one setting your car down on the line and one guys car rolls away or he hits the trigger and the car moves then you have to start all over again. the rolling start is also a cleaner start. i have seen plenty of standind starts and first turn crashes or just crashes period at the start and the race continues......talk about pissed of people and having a bad race. .........so try it, you might like it.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Steve.

[cobra22431]

Im all for rolling start just not sure about the mains that waywe have been doing rolling starts for about a year now and havent had any waved off races or pissed off racers. well they waved off a lap or 2 but not the way you are making it sound. and there is always a pissed off racer for some reason or another....LOL. this process takes less time than everyone grouping up on the track and some one setting your car down on the line and one guys car rolls away or he hits the trigger and the car moves then you have to start all over again. the rolling start is also a cleaner start. i have seen plenty of standing starts and first turn crashes or just crashes period at the start and the race continues.....talk about pissed off people and having a bad race. .........so try it, you might like it.

[n10cities]

I had my first experience with rolling starts at The Barn in Catoosa, OK the other night and I must say I enjoyed it very much (especially with 1/8 LM!).

No need for a buddy to hold the car for the start, you can just bring the car up and set it down. If you are TQ, you can come up with strategies to take advantage of your car's strengths.

Things like tapping your brakes in turn 4, causing everyone behind you to check up momentarily (hopefully they won't pile into you!) , then hammering the gas (to get a bigger holeshot) to get to turn 1 safer and not have everyone dogpile you.

[Dan D]

I had my first experience with rolling starts at The Barn in Catoosa, OK the other night and I must say I enjoyed it very much (especially with 1/8 LM!).

No need for a buddy to hold the car for the start, you can just bring the car up and set it down. If you are TQ, you can come up with strategies to take advantage of your car's strengths.

Things like tapping your brakes in turn 4, causing everyone behind you to check up momentarily (hopefully they won't pile into you!) , then hammering the gas (to get a bigger holeshot) to get to turn 1 safer and not have everyone dogpile you.


that is not a strategy....everyone should dogpile you!!!!! this is the reason people dont like rolling starts. IMO if you do that, you should go to the rear of the field.

[terry14]

that is not a strategy....everyone should dogpile you!!!!! this is the reason people dont like rolling starts. IMO if you do that, you should go to the rear of the field.


:thumbsup: i agree

[Teamt2c]

i didnt think i was going to like them very much when i was first introduced to them, but now I think i am going to try and get the Pan car guy on the big concrete to try it out next year! It is pretty cool!

[curtisp]

Im all for rolling start just not sure about the mains that way

Have you EVER tried rolling starts for a D.O. race? Don't knock it until you try it...you might actually like it. ;)

I've been to the Freeze the past two years...and all classes used rolling starts for the mains...I thought that they worked great! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

My local track is Tea's Raceway in Rochester, MN...they use rolling starts for all of the mains every week...with VERY few restarts.

Honestly...if you think that rolling starts will piss people off...I've seen more pissed off racers because some idiot that lined up 4th or 5th and then dive-bombed under the guys ahead of him as they entered the first turn off of a standing start. :mad:

The only way that you will be at a disadvantage in a rolling start race...is if you want to dive-bomb the guys ahead of you in the first turn...it's harder to do that with rolling starts. :D

[Anytime72]

I like the rolling starts but last nights rolling start in the 13.5 Latemodel class shouln't have been started when it did. The race announcer really plays a huge roll in making it happen right.

[TQ Cells]

I like the rolling starts but last nights rolling start in the 13.5 Latemodel class shouln't have been started when it did. The race announcer really plays a huge roll in making it happen right.

What happened?

Steve.