2010 Chili Bowl Jr Rules

[RamRacing]

I would like to first off say Thank You to everyone for being patient with us on getting all of this info out. We have put alot of time and effert to try and come up with a set of rules that would be as equal and fair to every racers that attends this event. So with that being said. If there is anything with these rules that may give you any doubt on if you are legal. Then we would suggest that you change it so you know you will be legal. We will follow these rules. Due to all of the talks in the past. There will be no changing of the rules. We know that this will not make every person happy. But we are wanting to put on the most Equal and fair event of the year. Please feel free to ask any questions

1/8th SCALE LATEMODELS

Chassis:
All 1/8th Ultimate Racing League Latemodels must be a production offroad buggy that has been converted for oval use by either the manufacturer or the racer. You must use the original chassis plate. No aftermarket chassis plates will be allowed and this includes but is not limited to the Losi Flex Chassis. No alterations to the original chassis plate will be allowed. The only components that can be changed are the shock towers, shocks and springs. You must use 1/8th scale shocks. No 1/10th scale touring car shocks will be allowed. You must use the stock control arms. No alterations of the control arms will be allowed. The wing mount can be removed and body mounts can be added. Components to change the front kick up or anti-dive and the rear toe and anti-squat are allowed. No other alterations to the chassis or component locations will be allowed, this includes shimming under the diff cases and bulk heads. Lipo receiver batteries are the only exception due to size and them not fitting in the OEM battery box. Lipo batteries must be mounted as close as possible to the original battery location and in a safe manner that prevents them from being damaged in a wreck or coming unplugged.
The only cars that are exempt from the buggy rule are the Ofna GTP, GTP II and DO Pro.

All buggy rules listed above apply to these cars with the following restrictions/additions.
The only changes to these cars that will be allowed will be springs, shocks, pivot ball suspension and products that will improve the durability of the car. Replacing the stock ring gears with hardened ring gears will be allowed. No other alterations to the chassis or component locations will be allowed

WEIGHT REQUIREMENT WILL BE 8.25 LBS MINIMUN DRY WEIGHT ( NO FUEL)

Drivetrain:
Diffs must remain OEM 6 gear fluid filled diff, in front and rear end of the car.
No adjustable auto locking/unlocking diffs, oneways or torsen diffs allowed.
The center diff may either be a spool or the OEM diff.
Single speed transmission only
One Way Bearings are not allowed anywhere in the drive drain

Engine:
Any 1/8-scale style Engine, no twin or multi engine cars.
Any 1/8-scale style Pipe
Any 1/8-scale style Header
Carburetors MUST HAVE a return device (spring, rubber band) to close the carburetor in the event the linkage comes off.
No graphite or carbon fiber flywheels.
No machining of aluminum flywheels that changes the thickness from stock.

Tires:
The spec tire for 2010 and beyond will be the Losi DLM2, part number
LOSA17757.
There will not be any grooving or sipping of the rubber tires
Tire softener or traction compound may be used

Bodies: Molded bodies only. 3” max rear spoiler measured from the deck lid.
Added winglets can be up to 2.25" high ” x 4” in length, maximum of 3 added winglets will be allowed. One on each side of the body and one on the rear deck. Winglets cannot be rectangular or square in shape. Cannot be any higher than the spoiler. There cannot be any sharp edges.
No restrictions on window openings
Body must fully cover the wheels.
No on-road wedge type bodies, must be dirt oval latemodel design
No "Decking" of the bodies will be allowed.


Nitro
SMALL BLOCK EDM/TRUCK
EDM Body styles only
All bodies may have a 2” rear spoiler measured from the deck lid. The spoiler can be no wider than the bodies rear deck area.
There is not be any side dams, but may run a sail panel that follows the roof line and must not be any taller than the roof. May not attach a sail panel to the body, it must be built in to it’s design.
Any small block engine up to .20 and all engines greater than .15 cu. In. must be of the RTR variety
All vehicles must run rubber truck tires and truck weels front and rear. 2.2 inch max rim size.
WHEEL BASE 10.75 - 12.5
MAX WIDTH -13.0
MIN WIDTH -11.0
2WD ONLY AND NO 2 SPEEDS AND REAR WHEEL DRIVE ONLY

1/10 Electric Truck
Any production based 1/10 scale electric truck
May run EDM body, molded Imca Body or a Truck Body
Molded Imca Body or Truck Bodies may run a 3" x 5" side dam and upto a 3" spoiler.
All vehicles must run rubber truck tires and truck wheels. Front and rear 2.2 inch max rims size.
Any brushed or brushless motor
Any Nimh or up to any 2cell 7.4v lipo battery.
Single Speed 2wd transmissions only
Rear Wheel Drive only

Nitro/Electric Spints
DODC rules (Loose Dirt Buggy Rubber tire Rules)

Electric Late Model
DODC rules
For the Chili Bowl it will allow any 13.5 Brushless Motor. Any 7.4 2s lipo or 6cell NiCd or NiMh.
Custom Works Street Tracs will be the tire used.

[plipitkc]

Ok, good set of rules and I'll be the first to post a reply.

Regarding tires. Will the current LOSI DLM tires be grandfathered in due to existing quantities or purchases on hand?

Second question. Regarding "Decking" the bodies. Since this is illegal, will the sectioning of the LOSI DLM body to obtain a more inclinded position on the chassis thereby increasing the aerodynamic effects of the body ALSO be illegal?

Thanks

Phil Lieber

[RamRacing]

Ok, good set of rules and I'll be the first to post a reply.

Regarding tires. Will the current LOSI DLM tires be grandfathered in due to existing quantities or purchases on hand?

Second question. Regarding "Decking" the bodies. Since this is illegal, will the sectioning of the LOSI DLM body to obtain a more inclinded position on the chassis thereby increasing the aerodynamic effects of the body ALSO be illegal?

Thanks

Phil Lieber

The current Losi DLM tire will NOT be grandfathered in.

I am not 100% sure what you are asking Phil. If you are talking about the nose being cut a raise and remount to help keep the body from rubbing then yes it would be legal.
Howard help me with this body question Please so I am not answering wrong

[hljudd]

Ok, good set of rules and I'll be the first to post a reply.

Regarding tires. Will the current LOSI DLM tires be grandfathered in due to existing quantities or purchases on hand?

Second question. Regarding "Decking" the bodies. Since this is illegal, will the sectioning of the LOSI DLM body to obtain a more inclinded position on the chassis thereby increasing the aerodynamic effects of the body ALSO be illegal?

Thanks

Phil Lieber

Phil, I'm not speaking for the Chili Bowl Jr. staff but as far as for the rules for the points series in 2010, the DLM2 will be the only tire used in competition. From my talks with Scott and Rodger, I'm pretty sure that's going to be it for the Chili Bowl Jr. as well. Any tires that people may have on hand can be used for regular Saturday night racing until they get them used up.

As far as your question on the body, I'm not sure exactly what you're talking about.

[plipitkc]

You do realize the LOSI L8m kit that is currently being sold in stores and I-Net has the current DLM tires. We aren't saving anyone money when they buy the kit and have to instantly buy a $60 set of tires cause the kit tires are NOW illegal and will not be grandfathered.

On the body. Firsdt to clear you don't have to section the body, just raise it a few holes or trim the bottom off. One of the advantages of sectioning the body is what I stated, It also allows some additional weight to be relocated to the front of the chassis.

This BS doesn't really matter, rules are rules and I wasn't asked during the development abut I'll run by them anyway.

LOSI going to give everyone a set of tires?

Phil

[steve w]

the new kits come with the old tires. WE will have no testing on the new tire till they come out in Dec. If they come out on time ? Some Drivers already tested these tires ( unfair advantage) i have a new set of old tires for this race as others

[RamRacing]

You do realize the LOSI L8m kit that is currently being sold in stores and I-Net has the current DLM tires. We aren't saving anyone money when they buy the kit and have to instantly buy a $60 set of tires cause the kit tires are NOW illegal and will not be grandfathered.

On the body. Firsdt to clear you don't have to section the body, just raise it a few holes or trim the bottom off. One of the advantages of sectioning the body is what I stated, It also allows some additional weight to be relocated to the front of the chassis.

This BS doesn't really matter, rules are rules and I wasn't asked during the development abut I'll run by them anyway.

LOSI going to give everyone a set of tires?

Phil

To Calm the issue down a bit I hope. We are in talk's with Losi to try and help us get everyone a set of tires at a good discount rate for pre entry sign up. Scott and I are asking to please give us a chance before getting upset about the tire rule.
We have been assured that the tire will be availible for the Chili Bowl Jr

To help everyone understand why we made this call on the tire.
If we end up with a track like we had last year.( hope we dont). And we allow the no longer availible tire to buy. Then there would be racers at a disadvantage because they were unable to get a tire that works best. So to keep this from happening at the Chili Bowl Jr. We have decide to not allow the tire.

Please lets not start a big issue. The rules are not going to be changed. Sorry

[JW8]

I am guessing any driver that has tested these tires were BORN with an unfair advantage....called talent....lol The Chili Bowl race is ran on a neutral location/surface. Looks like on a new spec tire. Everyone will be looking to set their stuff up to the new conditions/tires. Is the thought of this tire that it will be better on the surface and lead to a better race weekend for all classes? If so that sounds like a nice by product.

Jeff

[RamRacing]

One of the advantages of sectioning the body is what I stated, It also allows some additional weight to be relocated to the front of the chassis.




Phil to answer what I copied above from you post.
There isnt a rule against adding weight to the chassis. The rule is you cant move anything from the OEM position to change the weight transfer

[RamRacing]

I am guessing any driver that has tested these tires were BORN with an unfair advantage....called talent....lol The Chili Bowl race is ran on a neutral location/surface. Looks like on a new spec tire. Everyone will be looking to set their stuff up to the new conditions/tires. Is the thought of this tire that it will be better on the surface and lead to a better race weekend for all classes? If so that sounds like a nice by product.

Jeff

Yes Jeff this is the goal we are hoping to reach with the new tire. So it isnt a 1 lane freight train track. We are looking to have a multi groove track.

[hljudd]

There are several good points about the new spec tires.

1. Only have to buy one set of premounted tires vs. a set of every combination of tire, wheel and insert to make sure you have the right combination. This will result in a lower tire bill.

2. Reports from the developers is that these new tires actually scrub the track a little rather than polish and seal the surface like the previous street tread tires. This should result in less track work between rounds and better racing conditions during rounds.

3. The new tires are non-directional. What this means is you can use the tires on all four corners and rotate the tires to even out the wear which will allow you to fully use the tires up before buying a new set. You will no longer have to throw good tires away because one edge is worn off and you can't put the tire on the opposite side of the car to get a fresh edge.

These are a few things that come to mind without thinking about it too hard. I'm sure other people will find more good things to say about the tires once they start using them.

Oh yes, almost forgot about this one.

4. AMERICAN MADE!

[plipitkc]

Roger you are missing my points.

Phil

[Doug Gaut]

I believe what Phil is talking about is how we cut the splitter off the Losi body and remount it on the nose higher up and angled up on the right. This allows for more chassis roll and keeps the bodies from digging into the surface on looser or rougher tracks. This does not add front grip, actually it takes nose pressure off the car because you have removed frontal area causing the car to get a little push compared to a stock cut body so its a toss up on what you do.

As for the tires, there are only two guys that had these tires for testing. All testing was done with current setups back to back with other combinations of the tire along with the GRP tire to compare performance, wear and lap times. Neither guy has spent ANY time testing and tuning with the new tires. I can GUARANTEE you that! We are all going to be in the dark come race day. What is nice, the current setups work fine so NOBODY will be out to lunch running your current setup or one posted on the Losi site but I am sure as time goes we will find improved setups for this new tire.

When it comes to new kits, yes the kits do have the GRP tire in them but that will change when the current stock is gone.

In relation to guys that have leftover GRP tires, there are a few racers that do but if I had to guess there are more that do not. Guys can still run them at their local weekly shows if I had to guess, just not at the Chili Bowl or any of the URL points series events which could be 5-8 races next year?

[steve w]

new old tires FOR SALE $40.00

[Hconcepts]

WeeeeeeeE!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:...

[RamRacing]

Roger you are missing my points.

Phil

Then I dont undertsand what you are asking about the body. Shoot me a PM with your number and I will call you. So I can get on the right page of what you are asking

[plipitkc]

My concern with the bodies goes further than Doug described and I'll try to explain it better.

Regarding Bodies: Decking the body only affects a few of us who do this on occassion. There are also no mentioning about body alterations like sectioning, narrowing, widening, shortening, or lengthing, which means you can manipulate the body in any way suitable to cover your wheels and tires.

Since I mentioned Tires. I had a feeling there would be only one spec tire which makes sense. Unfortunately many people have extras of the old LOSI tire and will not be able to "legally" run these on the Saturday night circuit because most of the tracks in the area have adapted the NSCS, now, URL rules. Also with new people buying the LOSI Leight kit with the old tires aren't going to be happy having to buy a different tire before they get to play with their new toy. Please think about a short transitional time frame for the 2010 season or part of it so these extra tires can be used up in the racers mind. I am not one of them because I like OFNA tires, another story.

Brings me to the chassis section. This sounds like the rules were wrote for a LOSI Racing League, not an 1/8 scale oval league. There are no Min or max weights, widths, or wheel base lengths anywhere. What happened?

Engines are completely left wide open on displacement, fuel type, etc. It sounds like if you can bolt it on the chassis and the chassis doesn't fall over, its legal...

Maybe I'm just rambling but I doubt it and like I said, the rules have been posted regardless of what I think of them I will abide by them. But they certainly have made me think of getting out of this great sport and buying a BAJA.

Phil

[RamRacing]

My concern with the bodies goes further than Doug described and I'll try to explain it better.

Regarding Bodies: Decking the body only affects a few of us who do this on occassion. There are also no mentioning about body alterations like sectioning, narrowing, widening, shortening, or lengthing, which means you can manipulate the body in any way suitable to cover your wheels and tires.

Since I mentioned Tires. I had a feeling there would be only one spec tire which makes sense. Unfortunately many people have extras of the old LOSI tire and will not be able to "legally" run these on the Saturday night circuit because most of the tracks in the area have adapted the NSCS, now, URL rules. Also with new people buying the LOSI Leight kit with the old tires aren't going to be happy having to buy a different tire before they get to play with their new toy. Please think about a short transitional time frame for the 2010 season or part of it so these extra tires can be used up in the racers mind. I am not one of them because I like OFNA tires, another story.

Brings me to the chassis section. This sounds like the rules were wrote for a LOSI Racing League, not an 1/8 scale oval league. There are no Min or max weights, widths, or wheel base lengths anywhere. What happened?

Engines are completely left wide open on displacement, fuel type, etc. It sounds like if you can bolt it on the chassis and the chassis doesn't fall over, its legal...

Maybe I'm just rambling but I doubt it and like I said, the rules have been posted regardless of what I think of them I will abide by them. But they certainly have made me think of getting out of this great sport and buying a BAJA.

Phil
Phil
I am Sorry you feel this way. But these rules were not based off of Losi. These rules were set up so any Manufactured ( Losi,Ofna,X-Ray,Caster and so on)production made 1/8 Buggy could be converted from it's offroad format to Late Model format and then back if they choose to.
Now as far as wheel base and weight goes. If you are using a Prodution base car and have lefted it as is. Then everyone would be very close to the same.
As far as engines go. There is only so much power that can be put to the ground. And with the type of track we are planning on having at the Chili Bowl. It will hurt you more then help to put a High horsepower motor in.

[plipitkc]

Roger thanks for the call. It straightened several things out. These are a good set of rules, I just had to get few points straight for myself. Doug, Thanks also.

Later

Phil

[BigT]

To Calm the issue down a bit I hope. We are in talk's with Losi to try and help us get everyone a set of tires at a good discount rate for pre entry sign up. Scott and I are asking to please give us a chance before getting upset about the tire rule.
We have been assured that the tire will be availible for the Chili Bowl Jr

To help everyone understand why we made this call on the tire.
If we end up with a track like we had last year.( hope we dont). And we allow the no longer availible tire to buy. Then there would be racers at a disadvantage because they were unable to get a tire that works best. So to keep this from happening at the Chili Bowl Jr. We have decide to not allow the tire.

Please lets not start a big issue. The rules are not going to be changed. Sorry


What kind of a discount ?????

[hljudd]

What kind of a discount ?????

What they're trying to do is work something out with Losi so they can include a set of tires in the entry fee for prepaid entrants.

[BigT]

Thats cool....

[04Xterra]

i too have a slightly used pair of the old losi tires so i will have to buy tire that i cant get until dec or later thats bs it is going to be hard for people that race on budgets so with that said that will knock me down to running 2 classes bs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am a budget racer. I also can see past the immediate future. Yes the initial cost of having to purchase a new set of tires sucks, but look at it this way, YOU ONLY HAVE TO BUY 1 SET!! They are premounted and will be the exact same tire as everyone else. It's one less thing you have to deal with when setting up your car. Plus, they look so freakin' cool.

[hljudd]

well they said that we was going to use the other tires that we ran last year then some one asked about the dlm2 and now all the sudden the dlm2 are the only ones we can run alot of people buy stuff ahead of time thats what i did because of what was said a month ago so with that said lets all run foams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsdown::t humbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thu mbsdown::thumbsdown:bs!!!!!!! lets all put d55's all the way around

Not sure where you're getting your information, but it is incorrect. We've known for months now that the GRP tire was no longer going to be available since the factory burned down back in the spring. And I promise you that we didn't decide to go with the dlm2 just because someone asked about it. I have been thinking about this all year long, wanting to come up with a single spec tire. I promise you alot of thought went into making the decision on the tire rule for 2010 and beyond. It will be up to each individual track owner what they allow for weekly racing, but you will probably be able run the CBJr and all the points series races on one set of tires.

[04Xterra]

who care if they look cool the question is are we going t be able to get them in time also i have a slightly used set of the old losi tires for sale $30 bucks just paper weight if i cant use them bs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! good tires going to waste because dlm2 tire work better on losi cars because that is what the majority of the people have but the older tire might end up working better on other brands of cars did u ever think of that
think about what u are doin and do work son you are making people that dont have money buy buy buy

Calm down chief. If you read up a few posts, the issue of availability was discussed. You are getting all worked up about racing a toy car. From what I have found to be true, ANY tire will work better on the Losi due to the fact that the Losi just works better. (I have tried 3 different chassis manufacturers so before you get all upset about that just know I've done a little research). Settle down and enjoy the racing.

[04Xterra]

It must be a conspiracy.

Back on the subject of the rules. Would adding weight to the chassis be allowed? I don't see anything about adding weight in the rules.

[RamRacing]

It must be a conspiracy.

Back on the subject of the rules. Would adding weight to the chassis be allowed? I don't see anything about adding weight in the rules.

Yes you can add weight. You just cant change the OEM format of the chassis.

[04Xterra]

10-4

[RamRacing]

lets just make a set of rules for people that can afford to go out and buy buy buy not for people that race on budgets i cant afford that i bought the tire cause someone one here said we could run them and now i cant only because majority of the people wants them there are a lot of people that would rather run what they have for now to use them up but dont force people to buy unessasary stuff when they could spend that money on stuff they really need like fuel parts or entry fee so they can maybe run more than one class
bull****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please do us a favor. If you personly dont like what has been posted with the tire rule. Then Give Scott a call or e-mail. I know you already have his number. :thumbsup: Nothing of what you are saying is going on. If you will stop and think for a min. You will probly be getting a brand new set of tires cheaper then anyone can sale them for. We will know what we can do by the end of the week.

[04Xterra]

bs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! iam sure us budget racers will get screwed because i dont get to race very often because of my health i am not in the click lets run foams

Staying home is always an option too.

[04Xterra]

Hahaha, every point that I have made has been well thought out, valid, and properly puncuated.

And back on the subject of the rules. Would nerf bars be legal? Something simple to protect the chassis/exhaust from a hard hit?

And also, if this issue is between you and the race host, then try that little Private Message function. It would keep silly people like me from making comments about any concerns you may have.

[04Xterra]

Nevermind, I think I found the answer to my nerf bars question.

[IDRC]

(You must use the stock control arms.) Exactly what does this mean?

Also you have more or less disallowed the Losi flex chassis, what happens when the old
rtr chassis is discontinued?

There is also no min weight limit, so I can run a 6 pound car?

just asking.

[04Xterra]

Is there an 1/8th scale buggy out there that weighs 6 pounds? (honest question)

[RamRacing]

(You must use the stock control arms.) Exactly what does this mean?

Also you have more or less disallowed the Losi flex chassis, what happens when the old
rtr chassis is discontinued?

There is also no min weight limit, so I can run a 6 pound car?

just asking.

You must use the OEM stock control arm that comes with the chassis.

I will let Howard answer the question on the Losi Flex and Discontinued chassis question.

But as far as the weight of the car goes. There is no weight limit If everything that came on the buggy is still in place other then what is removed and added to mount a LM body.
So if you remove plastic or other parts to lighten the car that was there when it was a Stock Buggy then it would NOT be legal.

[IDRC]

There will be if there is no min weight limit.

I question the A arms, if that is what control arms mean, the ofna has two versions, one fixed the other with adjustable outer pillow balls. Shouldn't this type of option be allowed for all makes of cars to level the playing field?

[RamRacing]

shut up dont want to hear your bull**** this is between me and race host

tp75
I am not going to argue this point with you anymore. So I ask you please get in contacted with Scott Butts ( Promoter of this event) if you still need to vent about this issue.

[RamRacing]

There will be if there is no min weight limit.

I question the A arms, if that is what control arms mean, the ofna has two versions, one fixed the other with adjustable outer pillow balls. Shouldn't this type of option be allowed for all makes of cars to level the playing field?

If the Buggy came with the outer pillow balls then it would be legal. It just cant be moved to another chassis base that doesnt come stock with it.

[IDRC]

The only changes to these cars that will be allowed will be springs, shocks, pivot ball suspension and products that will improve the durability of the car.

If the Buggy came with the outer pillow balls then it would be legal. It just cant be moved to another chassis base that doesnt come stock with it.

You are saying two different things here.

[RamRacing]

The only changes to these cars that will be allowed will be springs, shocks, pivot ball suspension and products that will improve the durability of the car.

If the Buggy came with the outer pillow balls then it would be legal. It just cant be moved to another chassis base that doesnt come stock with it.

You are saying two different things here.

Your right I am. Hopefully Howard will get on here to comfirm the answer you are looking for. He is better at explaining the issue on control arms.

[IDRC]

Ok,

Thanks.

[plipitkc]

Only the MUGENS, OFNA MBX, and the MUGEN based knockoff buggies run Pivot front suspansions. There are option kits to convert several bugges to rear pivot ball suspensions. Correct me if I am wrong but if the suspension type was not OEM or can make the chassis more durable, then the change is illegal.

Its going to be hard to tech everything that has to be OEM and I don't envy that person.


Phil

[RamRacing]

ram racing re not the promoter then why are you chimming in on my questions who is scott butts and what is his # never herd of him i am new to this only been racing for about 4 months iam just saying that let us run ether or losi tire for just the cbj since there are so many series coming together

Ok Here it is to the point. Scott and I are the ones putting this show on. Scott is the promoter, And I am handling most of PR work. So with that being said. IF YOU DONT LIKE THE TIRE RULE THEN STAY HOME. You are the only one here throwing a big gripe. So if you have only been doing this for 4 months. Then I would have to say learn the game before trying to change the game. The tire rule will NOT be changed.

[RamRacing]

that is not trying to promote you sport and event very well telling people to stay away

I am not telling you to stay away. I am saying conform to the rules. If you dont like the rules. YOU as a racer has the choice to not attend. But we are done with this issue. The tire rule will remain the same.

[Hconcepts]

WeeeeeeeeeE........... :thumbsup:

[04Xterra]

Wow, just wow.

This is for tp75.
http://jorgeguerra.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/pacifier.jpg

And with that. I'm done.

[RamRacing]

i guess i will show and run the tire i already have and if you dont like it then you will have to deal with it cause i know you will not turn away my money because you sound like a greedy person

Well that is were you are wrong sir. If you dont conform you dont run. And I will pay you back your money out of my own pocket to keep you off of the track not being legal if I have too. So YES I would turn your money away. Cause I am not making a Damn dime off of this. I am doing this for the love of the hobby. And I sure sound like a greedy person to pay you back.

[fbiracing]

I am new to this forum but have been in the hobby for 20 years just getting back to dirt oval racing and plan on running the chilly bowl this time . I for one have always liked a spec tire in any racing it levels the playing field a little. So I would have to agree if you dont like it dont run it

[troy a]

Well it never seams to fail, that somone always has to complain about the rules.Its pretty simple if you dont understand them then ask questions,if you dont like them or you dont want to be like everyone else and play by there rules then simply dont show up to race,dont forget this is just a hobby dont think your going to make money at this,this is just for fun.

[Hconcepts]

Just a reminder to everyone!!! THESE ARE JUST TOY CARS!!!!!!!!

tp75: When did Terry Phillips care what's going on with toy cars?????

[tmr22]

Hey TP if you want to race your tires then come on over to the east coast. We welcome innovation and creativity. You can only offset a car so much and you can run up to a .28 motor. And guess what you can also run your GRP tires that come in the kit. We do have some rules that everyone needs to go by but what you are asking for is very much legal in Tennessee and many other areas.

[racerjmh]

The only people that make money at dirt oval are the people that manufacture the stuff we use. Nobody makes a dime racing these rc racecars at this race.

Jim Harden

[racerjmh]

Can't get new shoes for his ride so I'm guessing the gas money to go east isn't there either. As a side note- all areas of l8m seem to be doing quite well. And the National Champ DoDC driver runs everything anywhere anytime. Hope to get to congratulate hime at the CBJ.

Jim

[troy a]

tp75 you must not be one of those AE sponsered drivers that is making all that big money,if you are whinning about some new rubbers for your ride.

[Hconcepts]

Hey Terry Phillips, you need to change your state, you are making us Arkansas people look like chit!!! :thumbsdown:

[RamRacing]

if you dont let me run i have the pull with emmit hahn to have it shut down so now do work son

I sure wish I knew were you get off with all of this. All you are trying to do is cause crap. And only making yourself look like jerk. You go right ahead and go to Emmitt. I will personal call him and let him know you are coming. From the long talk I had with him he could care less about it. And the facted that he has no connection to the R/C race or the building we will be in. There would not be much he could do.

[dozer9]

the tp in my name stands for tony piney he i my uncle he ran big cars and his # was75 passed away 2 years ago thank you rip uncle piney


:blackorange2::blackorange2::blackorange2::blackor ange2::blackorange2::blackorange2::blackorange2::b lackorange2::blackorange2::blackorange2:

[dozer9]

what speak english


You dont know what the meatball flag means?????

Means get off the track due to a mechanical problem. You should probably do the same before it gets worse. :blackorange2::blackorange2:

[Hconcepts]

good thing tp doesn't stand for Terry Phillips because he SUX!!! :blackflag:

[steve w]

tp75 do you even have a car or just a loud mouth

[Rob Brwstr]

I should keep my nose out of this but cant't resist the temptation to respond to what is going on.

If I am not mistaken at last years CBJ a tire was released just before the race and not really "available" to the masses. And if I am not mistaken it ended up being the tire to run. So, that being said why as a promoter would you box yourself into running something that isn't even on store shelves yet? Nothing against Losi but if there was to be a spec tire for this race it should be the "OFNA" tire due to the availability of the new Losi tire. If the tire was out last month then it would be a non issue. I am pretty sure die hard racers probably have a set or two allready on order.


Everybody has to remember that rules have to be made. Whether the masses like series rules or not, they have to be made. It's his race and series so that has to be respected the promoter has alot on his shoulders. my :twocents: Rob

[troy a]

TP75 YOU MUST HAVE AL TIMERS YOU SAID THE TP STOOD FOR TONY PINEY THEN WHY DOES YOUR PROFILE SAY CHRISTOPHER BOYKIN. I FEEL SORRY FOR THE GOOD GUYS IN ARKANSAS,JUST HOPE YOUR NOT FROM FLIPPING ARKANSAS AND HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS DUMB _SS, :ha:

[RamRacing]

I should keep my nose out of this but cant't resist the temptation to respond to what is going on.

If I am not mistaken at last years CBJ a tire was released just before the race and not really "available" to the masses. And if I am not mistaken it ended up being the tire to run. So, that being said why as a promoter would you box yourself into running something that isn't even on store shelves yet? Nothing against Losi but if there was to be a spec tire for this race it should be the "OFNA" tire due to the availability of the new Losi tire. If the tire was out last month then it would be a non issue. I am pretty sure die hard racers probably have a set or two allready on order.


Everybody has to remember that rules have to be made. Whether the masses like series rules or not, they have to be made. It's his race and series so that has to be respected the promoter has alot on his shoulders. my :twocents: Rob

Rob
Thank you for your outlook on this issue. We have been assured by Losi that we will have enough of the new tires on hand for every 1/8 scale entry to have a set of tires at the event. I cant comment on the shelves of hobby shops

[Rob Brwstr]

As long as I get my tires in December. Mine are on backorder.....

[Hconcepts]

WeeeeeeeeeE!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:

[plipitkc]

Hey Roger / Howard,

Are you guys going to need help in the tech area? I am offering my services at the cost of a Hot Dog and Coke every once in a while to help out. No, I'm not being sarcastic either, just honestly want to help.

Phil

[FULLT1LT]

GOOD GOD MAN!!!!!! Was there a special on retard samiches in arky this week???????

[Hconcepts]

GOOD GOD MAN!!!!!! Was there a special on retard samiches in arky this week???????


Not all arky are like this Retard!!!

[FULLT1LT]

Not all arky are like this Retard!!!


I wasnt implying that,I thought maybe the local piggly wiggly had a special this week:D

[FULLT1LT]

i eat tacos



dont lie,your favorite is tossed salad:D do you prefer syrup or jelly???? LOLOLOL

[Hconcepts]

lol.. tp75 thought you was from Arkansas not Alaska??? :beer:


This Thread needs to be junked!! and started over!!!!

[clintscreations]

Can't think of a better deal......pay your entry and get a full set of tires!!!!! Awesome

And if your on a budget the why are you trying to run 8th scale .....there is nothing cheap about those big beasts

[dozer9]

i am not from arkansas cant u read i am from alaska


Whoa whoa. This all started over you not being able to afford a set of tires. If you can afford to come here to race ALL THE WAY FROM ALASKA........You definately should be able to afford a discounted set of new tires. :blackorange2::blackorange2:

[plumbcrazy]

This will be our first race with late model's. Just in the process of putting them together. Rules look great, no question about it, very easy to comply with. Big deal on buying another set of tires. Think, if you put a dollar away ever day til race day, you got 'em. Can't wait for Jan. to get here. Looks like its gonna be fun!!!

[hljudd]

There will be if there is no min weight limit.

I question the A arms, if that is what control arms mean, the ofna has two versions, one fixed the other with adjustable outer pillow balls. Shouldn't this type of option be allowed for all makes of cars to level the playing field?


Control arm is the proper name for that component. And the pillow ball setup is allowed on the GTP as a means for adjusting rear toe as well as front and rear camber. We have made the same allowance all the other cars as well. The rules state that you can add the components to any car for adjusting front anti-dive and rear toe and anti-squat. Those are the same adjustments you make with the pillow ball setup on the Ofna.

As far as the weight is concerned, if you have all the OEM components on the car that are supposed to be there the weight will take care of itself. If you start removing radio trays and things like that to take out weight, then you have moved something from it's original mounting location and therefore the car would no be allowed to compete.

[hljudd]

Hey Roger / Howard,

Are you guys going to need help in the tech area? I am offering my services at the cost of a Hot Dog and Coke every once in a while to help out. No, I'm not being sarcastic either, just honestly want to help.

Phil

That's something you will have to take up with Scott and Rodger. Since this isn't going to be a points race for our 2010 series, I will be just a regular guy attending the race and having fun.......I think anyway.

[hljudd]

i am not from arkansas cant u read i am from alaska


This guy don't know where he's from. This morning, his location said Muskogee.

[JW8]

Maybe the mods should shut him down. Very clear that he is just someone acting stupid to wind up the controversy. Kinda goes against the purpose of these threads.

[dabull]

Maybe the mods should shut him down. Very clear that he is just someone acting stupid to wind up the controversy. Kinda goes against the purpose of these threads.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
Thats my take on the whole thing too..... pull the plug and wipe all this garbage out. I think everyones questions have been answered and the rest of it needs to go away :thumbsup:

[Round&Round]

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[Round&Round]

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[IDRC]

Control arm is the proper name for that component. And the pillow ball setup is allowed on the GTP as a means for adjusting rear toe as well as front and rear camber. We have made the same allowance all the other cars as well. The rules state that you can add the components to any car for adjusting front anti-dive and rear toe and anti-squat. Those are the same adjustments you make with the pillow ball setup on the Ofna.

As far as the weight is concerned, if you have all the OEM components on the car that are supposed to be there the weight will take care of itself. If you start removing radio trays and things like that to take out weight, then you have moved something from it's original mounting location and therefore the car would no be allowed to compete.

Thanks!!

[plipitkc]

Maybe I'm the one to blame for asking the first questions on bodies and tires here. The reason was to clarify and answer my concerns and questions. I did not want to start a lot of BS.

The original intent of the thread was to present the rules and classes for the 2010 CBJ in Tulsa and it should get back on track or locked.

TP75, Grow up and think about what you are posting.

Brian, We all know you and the rest of the guys from AR are cool. Anyone, who can peddle a Pink car the way you do is alright by me.;)

Go Fast, Turn left, Burn nitro, and see ya'll at Tulsa.

Phil

[RamRacing]

Maybe I'm the one to blame for asking the first questions on bodies and tires here. The reason was to clarify and answer my concerns and questions. I did not want to start a lot of BS.

The original intent of the thread was to present the rules and classes for the 2010 CBJ in Tulsa and it should get back on track or locked.

TP75, Grow up and think about what you are posting.

Brian, We all know you and the rest of the guys from AR are cool. Anyone, who can peddle a Pink car the way you do is alright by me.;)

Go Fast, Turn left, Burn nitro, and see ya'll at Tulsa.

Phil

No Phil you are not to blame. We cant seem to have a good thing without some jerk getting on here and causing issues. You had a question and I did the best I could do to help you with it. Going as far as calling you to explain what we are doing with the rules. Thank you for asking so there wouldnt be any confussion. We know who this guy is. And it is sad that we thought he was a friend of ours. But not anymore. And as far as it goes with me. He is not welcomed at the Chili Bowl Jr to run any class let alone 1/8 scale.

[SHACK]

Now that we are back on topic I would like to ask a few question about the rules. The sprint car classes are going to be run under dodc rules but the dodc rules leave some gray area for diffrent types of tire and wing combonations that need to be nailed down.

DODC Rules State:
"The 6x6" wing will be the standard Sprint Car wing size. Race organizers and series directors may at their discretion allow the optional 7x7" wing rule for races and series using buggy or rubber tires.

Last year the Chili Bowl was a buggy tire only race with the 7x7 wing. The Street Trac tire was not allowed. Will the 7x7 wing be allowed? The Dodc rules don't draw a line between the Street Track tire and Buggy tires. Will the Custom Works Street Track tire be allowed this year? I'm not bitching about the rules, I'll run whatever the rules state, but I think we need some clarification on what will be legal. Thanks in advance, SHACK

[tmr22]

Shack,

The 7x7 wing will be the wing to run and pretty positive that it will be legal. As far as the tires go that will be an answer for the guys putting on the race.

Nothing wrong with questions, just don't get out of hand asking them. This is their race and if you play in their sandbox you have to use their shovels and buckets. It will be left up to you if you want to do that.

[RamRacing]

Now that we are back on topic I would like to ask a few question about the rules. The sprint car classes are going to be run under dodc rules but the dodc rules leave some gray area for diffrent types of tire and wing combonations that need to be nailed down.

DODC Rules State:
"The 6x6" wing will be the standard Sprint Car wing size. Race organizers and series directors may at their discretion allow the optional 7x7" wing rule for races and series using buggy or rubber tires.

Last year the Chili Bowl was a buggy tire only race with the 7x7 wing. The Street Trac tire was not allowed. Will the 7x7 wing be allowed? The Dodc rules don't draw a line between the Street Track tire and Buggy tires. Will the Custom Works Street Track tire be allowed this year? I'm not bitching about the rules, I'll run whatever the rules state, but I think we need some clarification on what will be legal. Thanks in advance, SHACK
Shack
We will be running the loose dirt rules of DODC. Thank you for pointing that out. I will go to the post of rules and change that.
7X7 or smaller .
it will be buggy tires only. Street tracs will only be ran on the 13.5 LM class. We are going to be doing some testing on another local indoor track with the street trac tires on loose dirt. If it prooves to not be a good tire. We will post that the 13.5 LM will be able to run buggy tires so that the class will be fun and not a head ache to try and hook up

[RamRacing]

Shack,

The 7x7 wing will be the wing to run and pretty positive that it will be legal. As far as the tires go that will be an answer for the guys putting on the race.

Nothing wrong with questions, just don't get out of hand asking them. This is their race and if you play in their sandbox you have to use their shovels and buckets. It will be left up to you if you want to do that.
Tim
Thank you for helping. But the little jabs are not needed. We dont come on your event sites and make jabs at you. We will answer as many questions that anyone wants to ask. But when it comes to trying to change what we have. Then thats were the issue starts.

[SHACK]

Thanks for the clarification. I look forward to racing at the Chili Bowl!!! ;)

[rj14]

Hey Tim....I see what you mean.

[hljudd]

Tim
Thank you for helping. But the little jabs are not needed. We dont come on your event sites and make jabs at you. We will answer as many questions that anyone wants to ask. But when it comes to trying to change what we have. Then thats were the issue starts.


Rodger, I think you took Tim's comments the wrong way. I don't think he was taking a jab at anything. I think he was just saying what we always say about rules. Conform to the rules or don't race. He was just saying it in a little nicer way.

[morey]

Sounds like lots of fun. I'm new to the Late Model dirt oval racing,but last time i was in tulsa i won a poker tourney for 20k so i've been looking for a reason to go back so after you pro racers beat up on me at the track i'm sure i'll just head over to the Casino...LOL

See you guys Jan. 13th...

[tmr22]

Rodger, I think you took Tim's comments the wrong way. I don't think he was taking a jab at anything. I think he was just saying what we always say about rules. Conform to the rules or don't race. He was just saying it in a little nicer way.


That was exactly what i was trying to do. BUT.

[hljudd]

Sounds like lots of fun. I'm new to the Late Model dirt oval racing,but last time i was in tulsa i won a poker tourney for 20k so i've been looking for a reason to go back so after you pro racers beat up on me at the track i'm sure i'll just head over to the Casino...LOL

See you guys Jan. 13th...

DON'T DO IT! If you do that, you'll be falling into their trap. Three nights in the casino after the races is how they plan on getting their 20K back, plus some....lol

[JGray]

Got on here to check out the rules for this year and did not know I had stepped into Comedy Central. What Scott is proposing for the latemodels is a no brainer. Entry and a set of four tires for a discounted price sounds good. TP75 needs to get a life.:beer::beer::beer:

[RamRacing]

That was exactly what i was trying to do. BUT.

Tim
I want to say Sorry for taking you the wrong way. The nerves were getting stressed with the other issue at hand. And from the past history of the rules dispute. I took what you said as a jab at our event.

[tmr22]

You will know if I am going to take a jab at the rules.

[tp75]

ok ok guys some of u need to relax cant you all just let a guy have a little fun for a change s**t pull you pantys out of you azz and relax f*** i havent even raced most of the year fixin to have another back surgery next week had to have a little fun before then but any way i am sorry for haven a little to much fun but some of you all need to pull that hook out of your lip cause i got youso with that said i sorry if i knotted some of you up liven up have a little fun if you dont want to be freinds with me fine but i know most of you are good people and you will let it blow overif you have anymore problems with memy name is jeff eubanks my # is 918 840 9497 call me and we will settle your issue with me or you can catch up with me at the barn this saturday hope you accept my appologies and allso pappy i still love ya please let me know about the dlm2 tires a price on them with pre entry thank you see yall at the barn saturday and the cbj in january do work i expect to get a few phone calls

[morey]

DON'T DO IT! If you do that, you'll be falling into their trap. Three nights in the casino after the races is how they plan on getting their 20K back, plus some....lol


LOL, yea but i have skills at poker.. I'll need to go win some money to put my car back together after all the wrecks i'll be in not have tested those new tires...:ha:

As far as the guys upset about the tires i wanna know if i can buy a few sets for a discounted price...LOL

[oldsprintfan]

Now that this thread seems to be back to it's original purpose I have a question unrelated to tires. I am hoping to run the 13.5 LM but must buy a 13.5 motor since I don't have one. Although it's not required by the CBJ rules I thought buying a DODC motor would make sense since I could use it in other DODC races. To those who have experience with this motor, is it a pretty good motor and will there be any compatibility issues with my GTB ESC? Thanks for the help.

Frank

[RamRacing]

Now that this thread seems to be back to it's original purpose I have a question unrelated to tires. I am hoping to run the 13.5 LM but must buy a 13.5 motor since I don't have one. Although it's not required by the CBJ rules I thought buying a DODC motor would make sense since I could use it in other DODC races. To those who have experience with this motor, is it a pretty good motor and will there be any compatibility issues with my GTB ESC? Thanks for the help.

Frank

Frank I cant answer your question with 100% assurance. But I just went to the DODC rules forum. And from the way they are talking about the motor. It is a good motor from Novak. But to get one with a DODC sticker which is what you have to have to run any of there race. You will have to order one from one of the tracks that has adopted there rules for all racing at there track. I did read that Bumps and Jumps has severial for the up coming Open wheel Nationals. I hope this helps.

[jerry]

man its dead tonight

[Hconcepts]

He took his Meds tonight!!! :thumbsup: :blackorange2:

[jerry]

i hope at least he apologized and admitted what he done

[tp75]

yes idid appologize but no calls yet guess i have no more friends no one can accept it

[jerry]

would sway barse a good thing on a 1/8th scale if you have to much chassis roll

[jerry]

hello is this thing on

[Hconcepts]

YES!!!! sway bars are our friends!! :D

[jerry]

font and rear or f or r

[Hconcepts]

heavy in front and med in rear...

[jerry]

ok thanks for your help have sway bar in box just wanted to know if they would be useful

[oldsprintfan]

Thanks for the input. Looks like the DODC 13.5 will be a good way to go.

[RamRacing]

Ok here are the rates and info that we were able to get to help everyone out.
Rates will be 69.00 a night for a Double Bed.
When you call to make your Reservation. BE SURE to tell them you are with the Chili Bowl Jr Group to get these prices. We have 20 room per day locked to us. So the sooner you can call would be great. Cause if we need more we may be able to get more locked. The 20 rooms are being held until 12/31/09 to be reserved. After this date the rooms that have not been reserved will be unlocked from our group to be given to the public. So dont wait to make your reservation.

Radisson
Tulsa Airport
2201 N 77th E. Ave
Tulsa Ok 74115
918-835-9911

[Matt Murphy]

For anyone interested, the DODC 13.5 Motors are just Novak 13.5 motors with the DODC spec sticker on them.Same motor, and zero issues used with any ESC.

Matt

[Hconcepts]

so you can cut the front and rear windows cut, but NOT deck the body??

[RamRacing]

so you can cut the front and rear windows cut, but NOT deck the body??

Yes sir that is correct.

[n10cities]

I have built an Associated RC8 (1st generation - not the RC8B) up as a 1/8th LM and have a question about the receiver battery placement for the race...

The original RC8 has the receiver battery box in the rear of the chassis, but the RC8B has moved the battery box to the front beside the steering servo. The new battery box is a factory direct bolt-on to the old RC8. Is that change allowable or do I have to keep the rear box configuration since that is what originally came with the car? Just checking my options.

Robbie

www.gshobby.com (http://www.gshobby.com)

[Hconcepts]

you running the chilli bowl jr. Robbie??

[n10cities]

Boy, I'd love to! :D:D

[Hconcepts]

I have built an Associated RC8 (1st generation - not the RC8B) up as a 1/8th LM and have a question about the receiver battery placement for the race...

The original RC8 has the receiver battery box in the rear of the chassis, but the RC8B has moved the battery box to the front beside the steering servo. The new battery box is a factory direct bolt-on to the old RC8. Is that change allowable or do I have to keep the rear box configuration since that is what originally came with the car? Just checking my options.

Robbie

www.gshobby.com (http://www.gshobby.com)




I'm guessing it's legal!!! sents no one is answering you...

[plipitkc]

I'm watching you two....;) LMAO

;)Phil:beer:

[hljudd]

I have built an Associated RC8 (1st generation - not the RC8B) up as a 1/8th LM and have a question about the receiver battery placement for the race...

The original RC8 has the receiver battery box in the rear of the chassis, but the RC8B has moved the battery box to the front beside the steering servo. The new battery box is a factory direct bolt-on to the old RC8. Is that change allowable or do I have to keep the rear box configuration since that is what originally came with the car? Just checking my options.

Robbie

www.gshobby.com (http://www.gshobby.com)


All radio components must remain in the stock location. Since you don't have a RC8B, the forward battery location would not be the stock location for your car.

[IDRC]

How will tech be able to determine is a car is an upgraded car or not? You are allowing conversions but there is now way to tell if a car has been upgraded. I converted my Losi 8-2.0 to oval, it came with the latest chassis which the rule deems illegal. So I would have to purchase an rtr chassis to be legal?
I see no way to tell if a losi car has been converted, or its an L8, besides the chassis. The same goes for the ASC 8b.
???

[n10cities]

All radio components must remain in the stock location. Since you don't have a RC8B, the forward battery location would not be the stock location for your car.

That's what I anticipated, just wanted to make sure. Thanks for the clarification! :D

[n10cities]

How will tech be able to determine is a car is an upgraded car or not? You are allowing conversions but there is now way to tell if a car has been upgraded. I converted my Losi 8-2.0 to oval, it came with the latest chassis which the rule deems illegal. So I would have to purchase an rtr chassis to be legal?
I see no way to tell if a losi car has been converted, or its an L8, besides the chassis. The same goes for the ASC 8b.
???

That is a good question. As far as the RC8 goes, the chassis part number is the same between the 1st and 2nd gen cars. The main differences are in the suspension hardware (pivot plates, shock towers and shocks), steering geometry, and receiver box placement.

I guess if you upgrade your A,B,C,D plates to the blue aluminum ones, install the RTR chassis braces and install Big Bore shocks, you could possibly claim you have the RC8B if you install the new battery box/radio tray that moves everything forward. You couldn't run the buggy shock towers due to body clearance.

It's no biggie to me.

[IDRC]

Thats cool, it still comes down to driver ablity in the end!

[hljudd]

How will tech be able to determine is a car is an upgraded car or not? You are allowing conversions but there is now way to tell if a car has been upgraded. I converted my Losi 8-2.0 to oval, it came with the latest chassis which the rule deems illegal. So I would have to purchase an rtr chassis to be legal?
I see no way to tell if a losi car has been converted, or its an L8, besides the chassis. The same goes for the ASC 8b.
???


One thing that may give it away are extra, un-used or filled in holes in the chassis plate.

[loopedout]

what about aftermarket ti turnbuckles and tie rods? are they legal or do you have to use the stock hardware? I dont have a production chassis yet for my car, the caster late will not have a std radio tray like the buggy and regular servo mounts have been used in stock servo locations, as the battery is in the stock location. So my chassis has non used and added holes. I want to make sure my car is legal as is before I get to the race or make the changes needed to be legal beforehand, I can email pictures if you would like, thanks

[hljudd]

The rules clearly state that products that improve the durability of the car are allowed.

[RamRacing]

what about aftermarket ti turnbuckles and tie rods? are they legal or do you have to use the stock hardware? I dont have a production chassis yet for my car, the caster late will not have a std radio tray like the buggy and regular servo mounts have been used in stock servo locations, as the battery is in the stock location. So my chassis has non used and added holes. I want to make sure my car is legal as is before I get to the race or make the changes needed to be legal beforehand, I can email pictures if you would like, thanks

If there is not a production LM from any Man. Company ready for retail sales to Hobby Shops as of the start of the Chili Bowl it is not legal. You would have to run there 1/8 buggy version with all stock items on it to be legal. This is why there is no weight limit. If all buggy's have all of there parts, then they will be very close to the same weight as all other buggies

[RNC Paint]

How have the tests been going on the 13.5 LM tires? Are we still going to use Street Tracs?

Just checking in to see what I should be purchasing.

Thanks

Ryan

[speed4less]

What about factory Losi hop-ups? Like carbon shock towers,light weight out drives, aluminum bulkhead, aluminum front and rear braces,and aluminum servo saver. What about ceramic bearings? Can I run a rear bumper? I'm just getting started.LOL

[RamRacing]

How have the tests been going on the 13.5 LM tires? Are we still going to use Street Tracs?

Just checking in to see what I should be purchasing.

Thanks

Ryan

There is going to be a post coming out within the next week from Scott on the 13.5 tire question

[speed4less]

Hey Ram,
No kidding, I need to know what I can run. Can I run any molded Body? I'm sorry but I like to be well prepared.

[RamRacing]

Hey Ram,
No kidding, I need to know what I can run. Can I run any molded Body? I'm sorry but I like to be well prepared.

Here is what the rules say about the bodies:
Bodies: Molded bodies only. 3” max rear spoiler measured from the deck lid.
Added winglets can be up to 2.25" high ” x 4” in length, maximum of 3 added winglets will be allowed. One on each side of the body and one on the rear deck. Winglets cannot be rectangular or square in shape. Cannot be any higher than the spoiler. There cannot be any sharp edges.
No restrictions on window openings
Body must fully cover the wheels.
No on-road wedge type bodies, must be dirt oval latemodel design
No "Decking" of the bodies will be allowed.

[RamRacing]

What about factory Losi hop-ups? Like carbon shock towers,light weight out drives, aluminum bulkhead, aluminum front and rear braces,and aluminum servo saver. What about ceramic bearings? Can I run a rear bumper? I'm just getting started.LOL

Here is a copy of what the rules say about your question.

The only changes to these cars that will be allowed will be springs, shocks, pivot ball suspension and products that will improve the durability of the car. Replacing the stock ring gears with hardened ring gears will be allowed. No other alterations to the chassis or component locations will be allowed.

[speed4less]

Ram,
I read the rules and still have the same questions. Can you give me a phone # of the person over tech. I need the answers from the one who will be teching my car and telling me if it is legal or not. That is a long way to come race and be told that my car is not legal. I am a racer who goes to races to be as competitive as I can within the rules. The rules are still unclear on a LOT of things that pertain to having the best car within the rules. I'm not tring to start anything just need answers.

Winning is the point of a race and the key to success is proper preparation.

[Mr twister]

Ram,
I read the rules and still have the same questions. Can you give me a phone # of the person over tech. I need the answers from the one who will be teching my car and telling me if it is legal or not. That is a long way to come race and be told that my car is not legal. I am a racer who goes to races to be as competitive as I can within the rules. The rules are still unclear on a LOT of things that pertain to having the best car within the rules. I'm not tring to start anything just need answers.

Winning is the point of a race and the key to success is proper preparation.


very good question's indeed Mike, the rules are a little gray in areas like that, in big Latemodel that normally means do it lol and hope for the best lol, but thats is a long drive for us TN boy's.:thumbsup:

[racerjmh]

Last year the guys in the A main were very evenly matched and it came down to driving not set up or hop ups. At least half the cars in the A were completely stock with really close to out of the box setups, no trick parts, and stock no mod engines. And the fastest guys setups are on the losi forum. And I know guys who used those setups on ofna cars and did well, too.

SO JMHO- get a new stock one, enter and get the new tires, bolt on a dynamite 21 or 28 or something you have similar, come run and have fun. If ya got what it takes driving wise, you'll do well. And this is really like IMCA verses big block mod or USMTS or UMP racing- you can't hook up all the power you make on the SPEC tires so throttle control seems to be the key.

Jim

[loopedout]

the rules are very open to interpretation , I propose a pre tech sort of situation where you send in detailed photos of your car to the authorized tech person and get pre-tech'd, that would eliminate alot of wondering, "is this going to be legal?"

[RamRacing]

There has been a rule added to the very first post for the 1/8 rules

please look at revised rules. The change is in bold reguarding weight

[RamRacing]

Ram,
I read the rules and still have the same questions. Can you give me a phone # of the person over tech. I need the answers from the one who will be teching my car and telling me if it is legal or not. That is a long way to come race and be told that my car is not legal. I am a racer who goes to races to be as competitive as I can within the rules. The rules are still unclear on a LOT of things that pertain to having the best car within the rules. I'm not tring to start anything just need answers.

Winning is the point of a race and the key to success is proper preparation.


With there now being a weight rule for 1/8 scale LM. You can run your hop ups of stock parts. The cars just have to meet weight.

If you still need to talk to someone? PM me with your number and I will be glad to call you.

[nerfbarjoey]

Couple rule questions. On my Losi L8ight I have drilled a 3/16 hole in the chassis to locate a pin on my starter box and have opened up the fylwheel window for extra clearance. Are these 2 mods legal? Can we bolt on rear bumpers and side nerfs? Is the 8.5 lbs. rule the minimum and checked after the race? Is there a limit to how much lead and where we can put it?

[Hconcepts]

Great Questions!!! :thumbsup:

[hljudd]

Couple rule questions. On my Losi L8ight I have drilled a 3/16 hole in the chassis to locate a pin on my starter box and have opened up the fylwheel window for extra clearance. Are these 2 mods legal? Can we bolt on rear bumpers and side nerfs? Is the 8.5 lbs. rule the minimum and checked after the race? Is there a limit to how much lead and where we can put it?

There is nothing in the rules that say you can't drill a hole in the chassis for this purpose. Most everyone I know has had to open up the flywheel hole to get even the losi 8 starter box to work with the car. The weight rule is 8.25 lbs., not 8.5 and it is dry weight.....which means empty fuel tank and the car may be checked any time during a URL event. Rodger is going to correct the rules to say 8.25 lbs. minimum.

I know we didn't address bumpers and nerf bars in the rules and I personally don't have a problem with that as long as they are scale appearing and proportional in size.

[nerfbarjoey]

Thanks Howard, As far as lead goes any limit and where? As I read the shock rules, can I run the ofna dirt oval pro shocks with my own shock towers on my Losi L8ight?

[smitty]

Is this legal, dont ask me what chassis it is cause I do not know anything about it.

It was bought from a guy that tried to make into a brushless conversion and the chassis was ground away for clearance.

If legal count me in, if not enjoy the race.

Chad

[Doug Gaut]

Chad, that is the Losi flex chassis for the 8ight buggy with what appears to be a little material removed in the rear brace area or the chassis is scratched up a little. As for legality??

[smitty]

The guy before dremeled the chassis to clear the brushless motor...legal......:confused:

[plipitkc]

Hey, Chad,

I have an extra LOSI 8B Legal chassis I'll loan or sell to ya. It's a little scratched up and worn but legal. Just let me know.

Phil:thumbsup:

[smitty]

I'll trade you straight up....I reallly don't wanto buy a diffrent chassis for one race.

Let me know.

chad

[plipitkc]

Deal.

Thanks Chad, I'll PM my address in a short.

Phil

[smitty]

Thanks to Phil, it looks like I'll be attending the JR.

So you have him to blame:D

[loopedout]

well now that it has been stated that you can run hop up parts instead of stock, wouldnt that make the flex chassis legal as long as he weighs in at >8.25lbs?

[hljudd]

Our rules never did say that everything on the car had to be stock. They say that the car must be a production buggy that has been converted for oval use. We never said what material the shock towers had to be made of. However, we did say that no aftermarket chassis plates would be allowed, including but not limited to the losi flex plate. We also said that products that improve the durability of the car are allowed...i.e. titanium turnbuckles.

I think if everyone would go back and READ the rules, they could answer some of their own questions. If Chad would have read the rules he would have known that the chassis plate he put a pic up of was illegal. The rules say that no alterations of the chassis are allowed. Grinding the sides down would be an alteration. Drilling one hole in the chassis plate to aid in getting the car centered over the starter wheel would not be considered an alteration to improve performance.

[plipitkc]

A blame Dr. Phil will gladly take.

Phil :D

[smitty]

Howard,

If you would have READ my post I didn't know what the chassis was I was asking a question.

I can read very well, if you want me to start picking apart your rules and want me to come to the race with a car that would be within rules but not what you meant let me know!

I do not appreciate you "if you read the rules" comment, if this is you way of showing that we all know who is in charge.....bravo!

I've made attempts to get things ready for the race, but if this is the hospitality that you are going to afford a racer, I may have second thoughts........

Chad

[RamRacing]

well now that it has been stated that you can run hop up parts instead of stock, wouldnt that make the flex chassis legal as long as he weighs in at >8.25lbs?

Here is the question that was asked.

speed4less
What about factory Losi hop-ups? Like carbon shock towers,light weight out drives, aluminum bulkhead, aluminum front and rear braces,and aluminum servo saver. What about ceramic bearings? Can I run a rear bumper? I'm just getting started.LOL

There is nothing about chassis plate in this question.

[JW8]

Watching any thread that involves LM rules is always one filled with drama and negativity. As a guy that actually does not care for the LM class but enjoys Sprint and other 10th classes it is wild that those classes are ran with so little upheaval. What makes the LM class so different from the rest?

Really think this event ends up being a great event each year. Really promotes RC racing well. I hope all can come and have a good time. Smile everyone this is suppose to be fun.

Jeff

[RamRacing]

Watching any thread that involves LM rules is always one filled with drama and negativity. As a guy that actually does not care for the LM class but enjoys Sprint and other 10th classes it is wild that those classes are ran with so little upheaval. What makes the LM class so different from the rest?

Really think this event ends up being a great event each year. Really promotes RC racing well. I hope all can come and have a good time. Smile everyone this is suppose to be fun.

Jeff

Jeff
I agree 100% with your statement. Our rules were setup so that anybody could get a stock buggy and convert it to a LM and come have some FUN. We are not racing for big money. There is no money to be made at this race. So please guys lets just get our stock cars and have some fun.

[04Xterra]

The rules are so painfully simple. Why is there a need/urge to exploit any potential grey areas? I understand wanting to get the competitive edge, I really do. What I don't understand is why it is so hard to take a production buggy (or the L8ight or DO Pro), slap an undecked molded LM body on it, bolt on the spec tires, and have some fun racing one of the coolest RC classes created in recent years. It's just so simple...

[tmr22]

I can tell you the problem. It is called COMPETITION. I don't care who you are if you are entered into an event you are a racer. If you paid to race you are a racer. Every racer that I know always wants the competitive edge. That is why the questions are being asked. I won't be coming and that is why I haven't asked any more questions but I do understand why they are asking them. Be prepared to be asked many more. Just a suggestion. I don't mean to sound bad about this but it is just an observation.

[04Xterra]

I truly believe you (I am using the term "you" to represent those reading this post that plan to attend this race) will see people running nearly stock buggies and being highly competitive at this years CBJ. And they will manage to do so while conforming to the very simple rules posted at the beginning of this thread. If I needed to exploit the grey areas within a set of rules to make the chassis/car I'm running competitive, then maybe I would consider switching manufacturers to a car that is more suited to the class I am racing in.

*Disclaimer: These are MY opinions, they IN NO WAY represent the opinions of the URL or the event staff of the CBJ.

Thank you and good day.

[Joey Hornick]

I've sat back and read through the threads over the last couple of weeks and it amazes me regarding all of the issues that seem to come up regarding the 1/8th LM class. If we look back at the history of this race, the top 10 racers in the A Feature were running production buggy cars that were converted to this newly designed class. Yes a few of the manufacturers came out with cars they thought were perfect for the oval classes. Take the first year of this race it was pretty much dominated by OFNA Ravagers with a few OFNA DO. Last year it was dominated by the LOSI 8ight that was converted to an oval car. We had those in the past that talked alot about lapping people with their "trick" cars and in the end its smooth driving that gets the win. I'd really like to see everyone just read the rules as Scott has established them and run without looking for the grey areas.

I by no means race as much as Jeff, Lars, Doug, Lloyd, Roger or Lee however I take the same car you can buy off the shelf and have competed with them at several races. To me these cars are only difficult to tune if you try to pinch every last thing out of them. I ran in the top 5 of the CBJ in its first year, finished 2nd in the NSCS. This year I finished in the top 6 again in the NSCS and won at the beginning of the year in Joplin, MO at one of the fastest tracks in a Losi that I just purchased 7days before. Lets all get together for this race and have fun...........

I will also say:
*Disclaimer: These are MY opinions, they IN NO WAY represent the opinions of the DirtOval.com or the event staff of the CBJ.

[plipitkc]

Chad,

You can't have second thoughts ....the chassis went in the mail at 10 am cst today. I'll PM you the confirmation #.

Phil;)

[04Xterra]

Well put sir, very well put.

[plipitkc]

This is my opinion but I think some of the reasons there are so many questions about the rules are the late release date, no transition time period for tires, and the fact everyone has upgraded their cars for durability, but know if the upgrades aren't spelled out to be within the rules package as they are printed may be illegal, then someone has to translate in terms everyone can understand the intent of this new set of rules.


Honestly, this set of rules are fairly simple and easy to follow, unless, like Joey said, you are trying to get every last tenth out of the car. then you have to split hairs and get clarification of statements within the rules package.

There is no disclaimer here, just MY opinion.

Phil

[smitty]

The way I see it now, If I have all the stock stuff(chassis(thanks phil), arms,center diff, etc ,in there original places, I'm good to go.

I'll change up the toe and anti-squat and be good to go.

I have no problem with the rules, treat everyone the same from the "H main"to the "A" main and there should be no problems.

Later

[Hconcepts]

What tires can we use for this race??

[tmr22]

This is my opinion but I think some of the reasons there are so many questions about the rules are the late release date, no transition time period for tires, and the fact everyone has upgraded their cars for durability, but know if the upgrades aren't spelled out to be within the rules package as they are printed may be illegal, then someone has to translate in terms everyone can understand the intent of this new set of rules.



Honestly, this set of rules are fairly simple and easy to follow, unless, like Joey said, you are trying to get every last tenth out of the car. then you have to split hairs and get clarification of statements within the rules package.

There is no disclaimer here, just MY opinion.

Phil


Phil,

If I was going to the race I would not want to go and finish 2nd and say well I got beat by a better buggy. I don't know of anyone that would go to a race and leave 2-3 tenths deliberately at home. Knowing that it can be accomplished by modifications.

This is just my opinion, no disclaimer.

[jdbyrider03]

Watching any thread that involves LM rules is always one filled with drama and negativity. As a guy that actually does not care for the LM class but enjoys Sprint and other 10th classes it is wild that those classes are ran with so little upheaval. What makes the LM class so different from the rest?

Really think this event ends up being a great event each year. Really promotes RC racing well. I hope all can come and have a good time. Smile everyone this is suppose to be fun.

Jeff
well said jeff:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Doug Gaut]

These questions are not unfounded. I had to double check on my car as well. I have three extra holes drilled in the outside area of my chassis for the truggy skirts. The taller skirts help keep the loose dirt out of my chassis. I also have Losi carbon fiber towers (bling purposes), alum steering arm (durability), hardened and lightened outdrives (wear much longer than stock ones but do weigh a little less which on loose/slick dirt tracks are not necessarily a performance advantage), alum rear bearing carriers (again for durability), optional Losi brake discs for increased braking effect and a 46t spur gear from the Muggy which is necessary for the longer, high rpm tracks like Joplin.

Here is the jest of the rules broken down to the best of my understanding, basically you can take a Hot Bodies, Kyosho, Mugen, Xray, Caster, Losi buggy:
1) add optional toe blocks be it from the OEM mfg or somebody that makes them identical to the mfgs optional ones like Kingz Headz
2) build a front and rear shock tower to use that companies front shocks all the way around in order to take full advantage of the stiffer front buggy springs on all 4 corners or an aftermarket company like RC4Less's springs-no 1/10 touring shocks
3) build or buy front and rear body mounts
4) change the spur/clutch bell in order to accomodate the smaller tires compared to buggy tires
5) change diff outdrives for durability if needed or ring gears like the Ofna needs

then go racing and hopefully have fun doing it.

What this is supposed to do is keep the playing field somewhat even no matter if you have a Losi L8ight, Ofna DO Pro, Mugen MBX4-6, Xray 808, etc. I have seen cars that have been in closets for years drug out, bodies put on and were competitive with only a few of the items listed like body mounts and gearing changed as well as diff oils. They used front springs on the rear shocks with a bunch of preload spacers. What keeps it somewhat even is the limitations.
Like Joey said, he showed up at Joplin the first weekend and put it on us all with a bone stock car. There have been some guys come to Joplin from Minnesota and right off the trailer they were fast and made the A main. Their cars were no different than any of ours. Jeff Werner made the A main at his first late model race with a bone stock car. Steve McClooney has been running a Thunder Tiger EB4 and doing dang good with it. In this area it normally comes down to setup and driving plus a little luck.

Yes there are some points that do need to be worked out like the fact the Losi 8 2.0 buggy has a 2mm longer flex chassis which is not legal but if you have to question if the part or modification in question is going to be legal compared to the stock car you better ask or assume it will NOT be legal. When I look at the URL 1/8 late model class I think of it as a cost effective spec class form of racing. This is the best way I can try and help if its been a help at all.

[RandyJ]

Great post Doug.

Only question I have about my car is, I put a larger tank in it. I will take it out for CBJ. Will the holes I drilled for the bigger tank mounts deem my car illegal? I will put original tank and mounts back in.

[Doug Gaut]

Randy, I am not the rules maker, that is up to Howard but personally I dont see any performance advantage to the holes just like the holes for my truggy skirts. One question I do have though, what tank are you running, how big of cc is it and did you have to modify anything other than a few holes?

[RandyJ]

Doug,

It is the Ofna Violator tank. 150cc.

2 new tank mounts and removed the front chassis brace is it. I did see a Losi this weekend with what looked to be the Losi truggy tank in it. It was taller and looked longer but he was still able to run the center chassis brace.

[IDRC]

Thats why I asked if my car would be legal, its a 8-2.0 converted to a LM. It came with the flex chassis. My question was would I have to purchase a RTR chssis to be legal.
The question was never answered.
I am assuming that; it is a coverted buggy therfor it would be legal.
I don't understand why this chassis would be deamed illegal, I don't see it giving any advantage being 2mm longer.

[Doug Gaut]

Doug,

It is the Ofna Violator tank. 150cc.

2 new tank mounts and removed the front chassis brace is it. I did see a Losi this weekend with what looked to be the Losi truggy tank in it. It was taller and looked longer but he was still able to run the center chassis brace.

Thanks for the info Randy.

[Mr twister]

Thats why I asked if my car would be legal, its a 8-2.0 converted to a LM. It came with the flex chassis. My question was would I have to purchase a RTR chssis to be legal.
The question was never answered.
I am assuming that; it is a coverted buggy therfor it would be legal.
I don't understand why this chassis would be deamed illegal, I don't see it giving any advantage being 2mm longer.

I have a 1.0 chassis if you need one;)

[Doug Gaut]

Thats why I asked if my car would be legal, its a 8-2.0 converted to a LM. It came with the flex chassis. My question was would I have to purchase a RTR chssis to be legal.
The question was never answered.
I am assuming that; it is a coverted buggy therfor it would be legal.
I don't understand why this chassis would be deamed illegal, I don't see it giving any advantage being 2mm longer.

Ralph, it was deemed illegal I think in order to keep the costs down to all the racers that bought L8ight kits if it proved to be a distinct advantage and was considered too expensive of a hop up like carbon fiber chassis plates. It does present a delima in regards to the buggy conversion scenerio though. This is not an answer though as it is not my call.

[hljudd]

I want to clear one thing up. I don't make the rules for the Chili Bowl Jr. That is between Scott and Rodger. Myself and some others that were on the NSCS rules committee did come up with the rules for our new series and Scott and Rodger chose that set of rules for the CBJ. If you want a final say on what's going to happen at the Chili Bowl Jr., you need to direct those questions to Rodger or Scott.

[jdh52643]

blah blah blah blah. if you guys want to cry this much come play paint ball with me ...show me some real tears for crying out loud. let the racers who plan on ATTENDING worry about the rules package..bunch of hair splitting sissies.

hollywood #57:revs:

[plipitkc]

Hollywood,

You have such empathy. LMAO and having a good time doing it.

Phil;)

[troy a]

For crying out loud,182 post on 1/8 scales grey areas in the rules.why does everyone try and bend the rules,its not like your going to win the cbj big money payout.your forgetting that this is for fun and to have a good time and to bulls_it with your far away buddies.Sure glad 1/10 scale is not this bad

[Hconcepts]

what payout for the CBJ?? there isn't one!!! Can't belive no one is crying about only getting to run one tire in the CBJ..!!!!!!

[loopedout]

one tire??, I thought we could use four??

[Hconcepts]

:ha: :ha: Loopedout!!! ur a funny guy :cool:

[Doug Gaut]

Lately guys have been using 8!:p

[hljudd]

blah blah blah blah. if you guys want to cry this much come play paint ball with me ...show me some real tears for crying out loud. let the racers who plan on ATTENDING worry about the rules package..bunch of hair splitting sissies.

hollywood #57:revs:


Paint Ball???? What are the rules for this game?

[tmr22]

280 feet per second and that is pretty much it. How about them rules. You can't get anymore clearer than that.

[plipitkc]

Only when we have too.;)
Phil

[smitty]

My 100% legal chassis arrived today, thanks Phil!!

Add me to the entry list.

1/8 LM only.

[hljudd]

He must have sent that priority mail. Phil, you're a good guy.

[plipitkc]

I did.

P

[steve w]

"OH NO" Phil is going to get a big head now!

[Hconcepts]

"OH NO" Phil is going to get a big head now!


NOW?? I thought he always had a BIG HEAD!!!! :p ;) :ha: :ha:

[plipitkc]

Gentlemen,

This is the wrong thread for SMACK and JACK talk. We only discuss discerning issues that deal directly with the rules here. For SMACK and JACK talk, please go to the thread on SMACK and JACK talk....

LMAO

Phil

[FULLT1LT]

I apologize if I missed it somewhere,what was the ruling on the tires for 13.5?

[hljudd]

It's the custom works tires. The street tracks.

[Slingindirt]

I am new to dirt oval racing i raced on road cars for years. I am thinking about making the trip to race. I run at a local track where we run the old brushed stock motors. I was wondering what motors and tires are going to be used in the sprint car class? I do not have a brushless system so i need to know what motor to use.I have a Custom Works sprint car. My friends have the losi 1/10th scale sprint cars will there be class for the losi cars?

[plipitkc]

The electric sprint is, I believe open motor rules. Most are probably running 6.5 to 8.5 brushless systems w/ good lipos.

So judge accordingly.

Phil

[RamRacing]

I am new to dirt oval racing i raced on road cars for years. I am thinking about making the trip to race. I run at a local track where we run the old brushed stock motors. I was wondering what motors and tires are going to be used in the sprint car class? I do not have a brushless system so i need to know what motor to use.I have a Custom Works sprint car. My friends have the losi 1/10th scale sprint cars will there be class for the losi cars?

The Electric sprint is a open Motor class.

[n10cities]

What tires can we use for this race??

If you're talking LM, the new Losi tire (LOSA17757) that you wanted me to order! :p And that's it!

If I'm not mistaken, you get a set of them with your entry fee...

[Hconcepts]

my new tires in yet Robbie??

[tp75]

hey roger have you and losi worked things out on the lm tires if so let me know how much they are going to be sign me up for 1/8 lm and a set of tires thanx jeff eubanks

[RamRacing]

hey roger have you and losi worked things out on the lm tires if so let me know how much they are going to be sign me up for 1/8 lm and a set of tires thanx jeff eubanks

Hey Jeff
Go to the post named Chili Bowl entry form and print one off and fill it out and send it to Scott and Chris. Or bring it to the Barn to Scott. But the entry for 1/8 LM is 60.00 for the first 50 entries. After that it will be 70.00

[Slingindirt]

Thanks on the motor info. What about tires? I have a Custom Works sprint car, will the 1/10th scale losi sprint cars be able to run in the sprint class?

[RamRacing]

Thanks on the motor info. What about tires? I have a Custom Works sprint car, will the 1/10th scale losi sprint cars be able to run in the sprint class?

Yes as long as they are in the deminsions of what the DODC rules call for.

[SHACK]

Will personal transpondres be required or will transponders be available at the track?

[n10cities]

We are expecting some Monday....

my new tires in yet Robbie??

[Hconcepts]

I like to have 4 FULL SETS!!!

[RamRacing]

Will personal transpondres be required or will transponders be available at the track?

Personals will be able to be used. And yes there will be house transponders there if you dont have a personal.

[n10cities]

I like to have 4 FULL SETS!!!

I'm not sure how many sets are coming in. I think at least 3.

[IDRC]

Rodger,

Will there be Tuesday practice? If so will it be controlled?

[RichardsonRacng]

Rules look good. Good job guys!

I love the "spec" tire rule. In the end you have to pick only 1 specific tire, some will be pleased, some will not, some will have "new old tires" to get rid of, but with this rule everyone wins in the end with tires that cost as much as the 1/8 lm tires do. Especially with all the different inserts, compound, and designs. One less thing to worry about. Now concentrate on the chassis...oh, and have fun!!!:greenflag:


(some things never change...lol)


HAPPY TURKEY DAY!!!

[RamRacing]

Rodger,

Will there be Tuesday practice? If so will it be controlled?
If we get the track completed as planned on Monday. There will be open practice on Tuesday. As far as controlled practice. That will take place as needed.

[Hconcepts]

Well thats not fair for the guys coming in Wednesday Morning!!!!

[RamRacing]

Well thats not fair for the guys coming in Wednesday Morning!!!!

Sorry, But we have did this every yr. The reason we have done this, Is to find out what the track is going to be like for the crue to maintain it, Come in on Tuesday and get you some practice.

[RichardsonRacng]

Sprint class rules just say DODC rules. Is this just for dimensions, not for motor and batts??? DODC has a 17.5, 13.5, and mod rules set-up. Is it open motor and any 2s lipo, or must they be DODC stamped, which is part odf the DODC rules? Not very clear on that one... At least on the electric late model it states DODC rules, but also states open motor and any 2s lipo. Same for the sprint class? Thanks!!!:beer:

[RamRacing]

Sprint class rules just say DODC rules. Is this just for dimensions, not for motor and batts??? DODC has a 17.5, 13.5, and mod rules set-up. Is it open motor and any 2s lipo, or must they be DODC stamped, which is part odf the DODC rules? Not very clear on that one... At least on the electric late model it states DODC rules, but also states open motor and any 2s lipo. Same for the sprint class? Thanks!!!:beer:
Sprints are running under the Loose dirt rules. And no the motors and Batteries do not have to be stamped with DODC

[RichardsonRacng]

Nevermind...answered through pm, thanks Rodger!

[Hconcepts]

Sorry, But we have did this every yr. The reason we have done this, Is to find out what the track is going to be like for the crue to maintain it, Come in on Tuesday and get you some practice.


Okie dokie.... :thumbsup:

[Eugene Ryder]

Just to let everyone know that wants DLM tires BEFORE this race.....I found a place that has em.....

www.thercshack.com (http://www.thercshack.com)

http://www.thercshack.com/losa1775718dlm2tiresmountedwithwhitewheel2.aspx

Losi17757's

And don't buy em all, I need 2 pair.

[mechanic77]

So if I'm understanding the LM rules correctly, my Hyper 8.5 late model won't be legal because I drilled holes in the chassis to mount a different fuel tank (the stock tank sucks!). Right now I have a 150cc ofna tank on it (same tank as the ofna DO Pro). I just want to check with the rules people so I don't show up and get DQ'd because of something so simple. Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks, Andy

[ISU43]

so u guys arent running anything in 1/18 scale?

[tp75]

no it is 10th scale and 1/8th scale only

[n10cities]

GSHobby.com in Fort Smith, AR still has 10 pair left in the store. Brian (HConcepts) done got his, so don't think the rest are spoken for. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

http://www.gshobby.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=18852


Just to let everyone know that wants DLM tires BEFORE this race.....I found a place that has em.....

www.thercshack.com (http://www.thercshack.com)

http://www.thercshack.com/losa1775718dlm2tiresmountedwithwhitewheel2.aspx

Losi17757's

And don't buy em all, I need 2 pair.

[air8]

whoops

[Hconcepts]

:confused: ?? :confused:

[morey]

i was able to get 2 sets of the new tires last week and our local oval track was shut down last friday so i will be testing the tires this friday night..

[slufoot78]

Question answered thanks

[n10cities]

:confused: ?? :confused:


BTW HC, how did the new DLM2 tires work at the Barn? Looked a bit loose from the U-tube video you uploaded.

I may have to get a set to free my car up in the corner.

[Hconcepts]

it made the car a little pushie.. they have good forward bite and side bite. i was over driving the car in the video's :D Should have seen it when we didn't have the camera out!! Oh baby!! :thumbsup:


The Barn is going to be NOTHING like the CBJ.. so my test was for nothing, just wasteing fuel!!! But it was FUN!!!!!!!

[SHACK]

The rules state that the winglets can be 2.25" tall. Is that above the deck or total height?

[plipitkc]

Deck. and up to 4.XX long but not square in shape. Most of us follow the diagram the WRDA has. Or very close to that shape.

[RamRacing]

The rules state that the winglets can be 2.25" tall. Is that above the deck or total height?

From the deck

[dabull]

Gotta link for this diagram you speak of Phil ???

[tp75]

can you run pivot ball on ofna cars do pro 2

[Hconcepts]

it comes from factory Jeff..

[tp75]

hconcepts ae you going to the barn this weekend if you are bring that body

[RamRacing]

can you run pivot ball on ofna cars do pro 2


Yes you can

[IDRC]

Can I run them on my Losi????

[RamRacing]

Can I run them on my Losi????
Copied from the rules
All buggy rules listed above apply to these cars with the following restrictions/additions.
The only changes to these cars that will be allowed will be springs, shocks, pivot ball suspension and products that will improve the durability of the car. Replacing the stock ring gears with hardened ring gears will be allowed. No other alterations to the chassis or component locations will be allowed

[IDRC]

Just joking..

[RamRacing]

Just joking..

No problem Ralph. I just wanted to make sure no one misunderstood. It has been soooooo nice with no conflicts on the 1/8 scale..:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[IDRC]

Cool, check your PM.

[plipitkc]

No I don't but go to Mike Ottinger's site for speed4less and into his rules.

Sorry Mike, didn't have my glasses on.

[Hconcepts]

hconcepts ae you going to the barn this weekend if you are bring that body


No Slim, CBJ is the next time we coming up...

[dabull]

Cool thanks:thumbsup:

[mechanic77]

Still curious if I'm going to have any issues with my 1/8 LM not passing tech because I drilled holes in my chassis to mount a different fuel tank? I really don't want to have to run a stock fuel tank (side lid, breaks easily, just plain sucks). Any input would be appreciated.

Andy

[RamRacing]

Still curious if I'm going to have any issues with my 1/8 LM not passing tech because I drilled holes in my chassis to mount a different fuel tank? I really don't want to have to run a stock fuel tank (side lid, breaks easily, just plain sucks). Any input would be appreciated.

Andy
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