Bomber Tire Rule

[donnie victor]

In order for this class to be more successful we need to change the tire rule. IMO. This class needs a tire that will work on most race tracks, not one or two... Track owners and I will have to decide on this issue this winter. I hope to include this class again next. :thumbsup: :revs: :greenflag:

[johnthiemann]

i think the tire rule is good. the ones i used at Big Bills were old and wore out! (red & white truck J.T.) would like to attend more big races but the unemployment checks don't go that far! JT

[dbmsrcr1]

Well Im up for discusion but My track isnt done yet. Not sure on what will and wont work but bombers are going to be a weekly class. I have foams, strikers, and some mini pins to try once the track gets done.

[T.Ford14]

We never had any luck out the Striker tires at our track or anywhere we took them.Just a thought. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[rccrashking]

We never had any luck out the Striker tires at our track or anywhere we took them.Just a thought. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
thats for sure there pure junk

[dbmsrcr1]

I cant lie and say i got to hook on anything yet either but there in the box for testing purposes.

[T.Ford14]

I understand completely,I know our track is pretty tricky on hot dry days and even when the track was in prime the striker tires were most certainly not the way to go. Just wanna help because it can be frustrating when it comes to new tires because your not really sure if you have a good setup and you fight the cars in two areas with the tires and setup and not make any head way for a while. :)

[schuttman]

See there ya go, you get a good class and now lets go and screw it up.
You see the way the rules are you have be able to be a driver and wheel the
car, ok lets say you want to go faster, then move up a class.
Ok lets say you want the car to hook up at diffrent tracks, then WORK on your car.
You go to foams and you will have a tire war, to much money, go to pin spikes and you
start buying tires to often not for your weekend racer.
Just my opinion.
As long as we don't change the rule at Music City

[donnie victor]

The Bomber class is way cool. I just think we need to look at it a little more from a tire angle. We did not have a very good showing this season in the ONS with this class. So if we cant agree on a different tire, I am gonna drop the class next season... I am leaning towards a Nitro Truck class. I havent decided on EDM bodies or Truck bodies just yet. LMK what you would like to see us race next year.... Thanks for all the suggestions. :thumbsup:

Donnie

[rccrashking]

The Bomber class is way cool. I just think we need to look at it a little more from a tire angle. We did not have a very good showing this season in the ONS with this class. So if we cant agree on a different tire, I am gonna drop the class next season... I am leaning towards a Nitro Truck class. I havent decided on EDM bodies or Truck bodies just yet. LMK what you would like to see us race next year.... Thanks for all the suggestions. :thumbsup:

Donnie
i think the tires rules are fine go to foams and no one will race not every one wants foams i want buy foams because of price there way more then the proline tires go to a real dirt track those car dont have foams or pin tires they run STREET TIRES and donnie drop the bombers class after u said your self they rock puy the guys and more will show up i think outlaw nitro should run bomber,sprints and late model when the ons hit tenn. u had a good field of bomber but u dont pay them and they see other class pay out we bombers guys have alot of money in our cars too this is just my thought and of u drop the bomber i,ll never run a ons agin

[dbmsrcr1]

Droping the bombers is a bad Idea imho. I just finished building mine and Might make a race or 2 this season. I understand the Music city tire rule completely but at my track it might not ever hook a road based tire up ever. I am awaitng confirmation of a few things before I could really make a suggestion. Our clay is susposed to be the same stuff that several big tracks in the area is using. Just gotta make sure we are getting before I can say street tires only. Outlaw edm isnt a bad idea either I got a body built.

Another thing is Let the track set the tire rule in bombers.

[jdh52643]

DONNIE, THE TIRE RULE IS A GOOD ONE IF YOU KEEP THE BOMBER CLASS DONT CHANGE IT. IF YOU CHOOSE TO DROP IT THEN ITS A MUTE POINT. I MUST SAY I WAS NOT A FAN OF THE TRUCKS TIL I SAW THEM RUN AT BILLS ....I THINK THAT HAS GOT TO BE THE COOLEST THING GOING AND BY FAR THE MOST ECONOMICAL...PLEASE NO EDM' YOU CHANGE EVERYTHING ON THE CAR TO MAKE THE BODY FIT AND PAINTING AND FITTING THEM ARE A ROYAL PAIN. I BET A GUY CAN BUY A STOCK GT2 RTR SLAP A TRUCK BODY ON AND BE COMPETITIVE FOR ABOUT 350.00 BUCKS. THIS TRUCK IDEA IS A GREAT ONE.
SEMPER FIDELIS

HOLLYWOOD #57:revs:

[T.Ford14]

"Another thing is Let the track set the tire rule in bombers."

The problem with that is you have to buy so many different tires for different tracks instead of one tire to take to all the tracks you run at during the season.

Donnie as far as the low turn out, it could possilbly be that it was a new class in a new series and it might turn out better next year.I don't think you need to kill it before it really has a chance to take off.When the bomber class originated it was to be a street stock type racecar and with the best street tire that will hook up on just about any surface.The tire we use will hook up on loose slick surfaces with some adjustments and as well as a highbite clay track and not have to spen alot of money buying tires all the time due to the fact that they last a long time and it's the same tire that can go to other tracks and be just fine.Sure there are times that they don't always hook up but there isn't a tire on the market that will.So I don't see how changing the tires or killing the class in the series is gonna help things at all.

[ImGoinRCn]

I say leave it alone. I personally think it's a cool class. Looks like a street stock class on a real dirt track. They are fun to drive and watch. I still race mine and plan on racing 4 of the local ONS races next year. If they go to trucks, mine will be up for sale. :twocents:

[racerjmh]

In Joplin, MO this yerar they had a sportsman class that specified a street tire and it was decided to let them go to an any rubber tire rule. I know that 90% of the time on my edm/truck I'll have ribs on the front and either bowties or holeshots on the rear and if I nned more steering, holeshots on the front- JMHO

[2fast4you]

i say leave the tires rule the way that it is. Then someone can take a stock 1/10 truck and buy one set of tires and be fine. Then the motor size doesnt play a part. I run a 12tg in my bomber and im just as fast as someone with a 18tz. I say leave it alone or just drop it. I really hate ruling classes to death. This class is to have fun.

[DarrinNumbers]

If you change the tire rule, you have a Truck or small block EDM Class. The reason for the Bomber tire rule is that it is a intro into DO racing.

I was tired of seeing people buying 900.00 racecars, and not have the slightest clue on how to set up a chassis to make it go..... So Brad Dyer and I said "put street tires on 'em and if they can get those to hook up, they can get anything to hook up"

The idea was for this class to teach entry level DIRT OVAL drivers how to adjust the car and make it driveable without the benefit of a high traction tire.

If you take away the tires, you take away the challenge. If drivers cannot drive thier car because it does not handle, that is not a tire issue..... It is a setup issue!!! We have drivers that get thier bombers to hook up under conditions that was challenge the most seasoned chassis guy! That is something they learn! They cannot learn that anywhere else.

My opinion is, Donnie, if they want to change the rules just like a pre-existing class, then just drop the bombers and run another class. Do not change the rules because people are too lazy to set thier cars up.................:thumbsdown:

I can tell you that Music City will continue to run the original rules package, and if the Outlaw Nitro Series comes to our track, we will run what ever rules you and classes you want to run..... This is your series, and we are a host track who will work with you for the 1 or 2 races you want to have with us.....

[jdh52643]

If you change the tire rule, you have a Truck or small block EDM Class. The reason for the Bomber tire rule is that it is a intro into DO racing.

I was tired of seeing people buying 900.00 racecars, and not have the slightest clue on how to set up a chassis to make it go..... So Brad Dyer and I said "put street tires on 'em and if they can get those to hook up, they can get anything to hook up"

The idea was for this class to teach entry level DIRT OVAL drivers how to adjust the car and make it driveable without the benefit of a high traction tire.

If you take away the tires, you take away the challenge. If drivers cannot drive thier car because it does not handle, that is not a tire issue..... It is a setup issue!!! We have drivers that get thier bombers to hook up under conditions that was challenge the most seasoned chassis guy! That is something they learn! They cannot learn that anywhere else.

My opinion is, Donnie, if they want to change the rules just like a pre-existing class, then just drop the bombers and run another class. Do not change the rules because people are too lazy to set thier cars up.................:thumbsdown:

I can tell you that Music City will continue to run the original rules package, and if the Outlaw Nitro Series comes to our track, we will run what ever rules you and classes you want to run..... This is your series, and we are a host track who will work with you for the 1 or 2 races you want to have with us.....mr. numbers you are the voice of reason well said my friend .

hollywood#57:revs:

[T.Ford14]

I agree.....very well said my friend. :thumbsup: :beer:

[schuttman]

See it is just like real racing no one can get togeather on the rules!
Just like I said in my last post work on your chassis to make the tires
work!
You get a good class and then someone wants to change somthing, then
where does it stop.
You change tires, then lets run side dams, then lets put wedge bodies on them,
then lets put short control arms on them and little tires, aftermarket chassis????
LATE MODEL anyone???? $1000 dollar race car and 20 diffrent tires, tire truer
where does it stop???????

[latemodel13]

I don't have a dog in this fight either but I did see the bombers run at crazy boys and it was a real bad scene. They could hardly touch the throttle or they would spin out. It looked like no fun at all to me. Maybe someone that ran one there could comment on it but the strikers were as bad a tire for that track as I have ever witnessed.:thumbsdown:

[donnie victor]

Stan that happened at more than one track.... No fun for sure... The only way to get around with out spinning out was to crank up the idle... You can not set a car up if the tires dont hook up... It is a fun class at certain tracks only... The ONS will not race them next year on the tour. I am not going to change the tire rule out of respect for Darrin and my buddy Brad Dyers. It is a cool class and alot of fun on the right track... :thumbsup:

[SPEEDRAYCER]

ttt

[SPEEDRAYCER]

I happen to race it and I did not have that bad of a time. I have not raced gas truck in 5 or 6 years. The track was new to race on and for the short time Jeff had to prepare it. That was all the better it really going to get. I thought the track was going to get treated. But I have not been there to race on it since. There are some other options for pro-line tires that could be used for Cray boys. But it dose not have to be imposed on other tracks in the series. The tire we have to use is a good tire rule, “it’s the same for Everybody” A 1/10 scale gas truck is the hardest RC vehicle to set up to race. It was never design for us to race oval with. :checkeredflag:

[ImGoinRCn]

Well that stinks that the bombers aren't going to be part of the ONS. As far as getting the tires to hook up, I had no problem with the Road Hawg 2s to work, I just couldn't get the thing to turn but that's fixed now. Maybe the trucks had way too much motor and that with little traction is going to cause a little trouble getting them hooked up. I for one run a little Dynamite .12 unmodded and it has plenty of power but not as much to make the rear wheels break loose.

The 1/10th scale classes had the most trouble at Family R/C on foams, are you going to stop running those as well?

[FULLT1LT]

Guys,the whole point of the tire/motor/spoiler rules was geared towards fun.We figured if we let guys put big motors with little spoilers and street tracks on it would teach them to drive,setup the car,adjust their driving to track conditions as well as their car to the track.We have guys who were just starting out or coming from off-road who had 1/10 trucks of all makes and this was a way for them to use what they had just by simply putting the tires and body on and coming to try it out.Just last week we had a guy with a hpi firestorm make the a-main his first time there.He had street tracks(2 different on front and rear because thats all he had) and a truck body with no spoiler at all.Our bomber class always has the most entries and I believe its because it is possible to win with just about any type of vehicle and it is FUN!!!Early in the day they are a handful,the key is to let them run first after the track has been watered because they have less traction than any other class.Later in the nite they are capable of turning laps within 3 tenths of a 1/8 SLM.Pretty quick for a BOMBER.

[donnie victor]

The ONS will be using DLMRA rules next year... We will only be racing Outlaw and Spec Late Model's. I am working on a website and should have it up on line soon.. You can sign up any car you wish to race. But it will take atleast 6 cars to make a heat race. We will have trophys made for those exhibition classes...We might add one more class to the ONS tour just not sure which one it will be just yet... Thanks to everyone that has supported us this season... :thumbsup:

[rccrashking]

donnie no bomber that sucks well i guess i want never race at the ons series agin

[Crew Dad]

It was nice running the same road hogs tires all year, As well not having to spend the big money on a car, inorder to race with the rest of the guys! I HATE FOMES!!! lol

[T.Ford14]

That's sad news to hear Donnie.I wish the best for you and your series but I just hate that the Bomber cars will not be apart of it this up coming year.

[donnie victor]

The type of race cars racers choose is a regional thing. They are more popular in Tenn than in In, Ill, Penn and Ohio. We will race them as an exhibition class at Music City. First and Second place will receive ONS plaques... I never said I was gonna sell mine, heck it was fun racing with all of the Tenn Bomber guys and gals... :thumbsup:

[Crew Dad]

The type of race cars racers choose is a regional thing. They are more popular in Tenn than in In, Ill, Penn and Ohio. We will race them as an exhibition class at Music City. First and Second place will receive ONS plaques... I never said I was gonna sell mine, heck it was fun racing with all of the Tenn Bomber guys and gals... :thumbsup:

THANK YOU Donnie!
Your a Good man! It might take some time for the outhers to come around.
Go ahead and put my name on one of the plaques!
OK Settle down MCR guys you can PM me coments about my Plaque!

[T.Ford14]

Donnie that's great news to hear.Glad to know that at least it isn't killed out of the series completely.Mike,i'm speechless.:ha:

[ImGoinRCn]

Don't forget about the other Tennessee tracks!