Oval Spec Slash Trucks

[FPC99]

Chris talked about running the spec slash trucks on the oval this coming winter season , is that still a go and how much interest has there been , there are a lot of slash trucks out there , I want to see some feedback on guys and gals who plan on racing a spec slash on the oval , I think it would be a blast not to mention very affordable

[JohnnyO]

Best Idea I've heard in a long time........... As I understand the Slash Rules, it pretty much 100% out of the box.......... I would buy one, but I don't want $300 in upgrades!!

johnO

PS; Buy the way, if a bunch of guys had these, when it rained we could still race!!

[PBR Allstar]

Chris talked about running the spec slash trucks on the oval this coming winter season , is that still a go and how much interest has there been , there are a lot of slash trucks out there , I want to see some feedback on guys and gals who plan on racing a spec slash on the oval , I think it would be a blast not to mention very affordable


Out here on the west coast the track I run at runs spec slash on the oval, and it's so much fun and the competition is very good!, the tracks a bullring and when the truck is right you can run just about flat the whole way around and carry the left front wheel almost the whole way around the track! I say every track should start running this class, great way to add some fun, some revenue, and attract new racers to the sport!

[FPC99]

Exactly Johnny
This class has to be left totally stock , upgrades would kill the purpose of it , spec racing comes down to what racing is about "driving" and to also have fun without breaking the bank , Chris should only allow the receiver to be changed and the shock oil everything else should be left as it comes out of the box , even the body should have to be a stock slash body with no added spoilers or dams , traxxas makes a clear slash body so we could still all have our own paint schemes

[FPC99]

PBR
Your right about every track should start running this class , and it is competitive racing that anyone can afford , you realize how many people that are out there who are very interested in dirt oval racing till they see what it actually cost , the spec slash trucks can fix that because they fit almost everyones budget

[kbow]

This is a good idea, but insted of adding classes lets take stock trucks and run with no aftermarket chassies and motars just stock out of boxs trucks

[FPC99]

kbow there is nothing wrong with adding this spec slash truck class it is a class that everyone can afford and were winning comes from good driving not how fat your wallet is , this will become one of the biggest class's there as long as Chris doesn't also allow a modified class to please the guys who cant race on an even playing field
That is what spec class's are all about , being affordable and racing on a even playing field

[brockh]

i would have to run this class....i was just waiting for a reason to get one of those things! i would like to be able to run my radio but if i cant so be it, i'm still in

[FPC99]

brock I think they we have to let you run any radio because of the popularity of the class and how few channels traxxas has , for some odd reason even though the slash is one of the biggest things going right now traxxas doesn't have a DSM radio so there would be no choice but to allow any radio

[FPC99]

Just look at all this interest already and this thread only began today , I am telling ya the popularity for a spec slash truck oval class is there and the class will be big not to mention a heck of a lot of fun Chris just needs to say he is for sure going to run this class and get it on his web site so the message gets out there before the winter season begins

[RacerX11]

brock I think they we have to let you run any radio because of the popularity of the class and how few channels traxxas has , for some odd reason even though the slash is one of the biggest things going right now traxxas doesn't have a DSM radio so there would be no choice but to allow any radio

The only Short course truck that comes with DSM is Losi Strike. From what I heard from Horizon, it's similar to the slash in performance. Not saying that a slash class by itself is a bad thing. Just my two cents

[FPC99]

I think a dirt oval slash truck class should only consist of a slash truck , it is a versatile, strong and very affordable truck with spare parts readily available and if your going to run it you can not bring your pit crew with LOL

[RacerX11]

I think a dirt oval slash truck class should only consist of a slash truck , it is a versatile, strong and very affordable truck with spare parts readily available and if your going to run it you can not bring your pit crew with LOL

I don't know about that, They seem to find there way to the track somehow.;)

Besides, they are about to give my Nitro truck an overhaul to make it faster.

[PBR Allstar]

I'm glad to see racers everywhere getting behind this class. My truck won last night (I wasn't driving it) but the only modifications the truck has to it are my 75mhz synthesized receiver and 1 large preload clip on each rear shock. I think there was about 10-12 trucks. The track I race at doesn't cap the slash entry, you enter one, you're in the main, although the amb system only lets you score 20 trucks so on nights when more than 20 show up the first 20 to enter get scored. I think the most we've had is 26 trucks at once and it's an absolute laugh riot! And don't get too worried about stocking up on spares, I've yet to break mine,, not sure how it hasn't, but it's bulletproof!

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Great idea. Already have them weekly here. started with 2 trucks and it's 8-10 now. Up Up and Away!!! :thumbsup:

[JohnnyO]

What's the Battery Rule???......... I like the new Li-Po's, but i don't think a Slash class would need a 5000MAh 40c for a $100+.......... ANY receiver & transmitter is a MUST!! DSM is a MUST!!.......... I'm with Brock I just need an excuse to buy one!......... also I agree with ONE Brand, Traxxas, Keep it simple, Durable, and affordable, OEM Body, NO Wings or Side Dams, Any Gear, Any Shock Oil, Any Shock Spring, OEM Wheels & Tires, and RACE!

[FPC99]

I'm with you there Johnny O , except on the shock springs , I think they should remain stock slash and make all us guys work with preload spacers to get were want to be , you brought up an excellent point on the battery for this class , lets here some ideas about batteries because most of us reading this can afford an expensive lipo but there we would go again and start to defeat the purpose of the class not to mention probably steer the new comer away if he seen he needed to shell out $100 for a battery on a $200 truck , should we go lipo or NIMH , there really would need to be a spec battery at least the type of battery and the mAh and probably something in the $50 range , I'm presently a nitro guy so I know very little about batteries

[brockh]

lipo is the only way to go.....yeah racing produces good batteries at a reasonable cost...

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Right here in Lewis Run, PA. SPC (Spec Point Concepts) They have Smokin' deals on GOOD QUALITY Lipos... How does $48.95 sound for a 5000mah/20C 7.4???

http://www.specpointbatteries.com/index.php?productID=59

He's an SMC dealer and after speaking with him on several occasions he does his homework on his lipo's as well as others in the market.:thumbsup:

[brockh]

i personally would like to see a higher "C" rating....our DODC batteries for spec are 28c...i would like to see at least that min....

[bumps and jumps rc]

Yep Love the idea - I could only hope it works half as good as it did last year in offorad.
I wouldn't allow the spring change.
It is part of what makes the slash great.
We sell a whole package slash , onyx 230 charger and yeah 5000 pack for $330
SMC makes some of the best packs made but the 20c pack won't compete with the yeah packs at 25c, it will only be more pronounced in oval than in offroad - I might consider a battery price point. I will work on the details and get them posted soon along with the other anticipated winter classes. I wouldn't anticipate much if any change from the rules already posted on the web site, which is basically the spec package run from coast to coast.

[siggy99x]

Stay with the dodc battery it cant get much more spec then that!! plus guys already running electris have everything they need but a truck.

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Ok. Same site. 4000mah, 30C. $50 bucks... Kokam Cells. No need for a $100 battery when a $50 battery is available.

http://www.specpointbatteries.com/index.php?productID=40

I've been running the Slash bone stock all summer and have not noticed any difference between a 5000 28C 7.4 SMC softcase / 3200 Orion carbon editions / and my SPC 5000 7.4 20C packs. Gearing is stock. No difference in acceleration or lap times.... To be honest the traxxas motor draws so little amperage that almost any pack will work..... amperage draw just isn't there.

The more I think about it. Why not just buy bulk Energ4200's from Promatch. They are $25 bucks. Excellent cells. And newbies won't be forced to buy a $100 Lipo Charger....??? I've run these in the Slash as well and again. So little power draw off-road or oval that you don't notived a speed difference. And with the REALLY cheap price have a claim rule. $25 bucks.

http://www.promatchracing.com/proddetail.php?prod=42006

[dozer9]

At our local track we are running the Slash on the oval as a "fun" class. We change things up....One round run normal, sometimes run backwards, sometimes run half the race forwards then half the race backwards, and we have even ran a figure 8 the last couple of weeks. This is a class that is totally non competitive that we run where bump drafting and a little rubbin is okay. Has been a pretty good success with everyone coming off the driver's stand smiling and laughing.

[dirtracer20]

the slash is a great piece i wish i never got rid of mine and you can stick a 1/8 lm body right on one so thats a plus

[FPC99]

There are a lot of great ideas for batteries but I think to easily police a battery rule Chris needs to pick one battery and say this will be the spec battery , Chris we know what ever you choose will be a good product at a reasonable price for everyone

[FPC99]

Siggy made a very good point

[brockh]

At our local track we are running the Slash on the oval as a "fun" class. We change things up....One round run normal, sometimes run backwards, sometimes run half the race forwards then half the race backwards, and we have even ran a figure 8 the last couple of weeks. This is a class that is totally non competitive that we run where bump drafting and a little rubbin is okay. Has been a pretty good success with everyone coming off the driver's stand smiling and laughing.


I have done the half the race forward and half the race backwards thing, it doesn't always work out for everyone....

[JAC9]

I have done the half the race forward and half the race backwards thing, it doesn't always work out for everyone....

Mainly because you were the only one going backwards!!! LOL But it was fun to watch.

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

i personally would like to see a higher "C" rating....our DODC batteries for spec are 28c...i would like to see at least that min....

brock. DODC 3200/28C lipo allows 89.6 Continuous Amps. the SPC options I mentioned are a 5000/20C lipo for $50 that allows 100amps and a 4000/25C lipo for $50 that allows 100amps. Why spend more to get less? I do understand that many already have the DODC lipo but I don't see the need to have people spend twice as much for a slash class battery.

Yep Love the idea - I could only hope it works half as good as it did last year in offorad.
I wouldn't allow the spring change.
It is part of what makes the slash great.
We sell a whole package slash , onyx 230 charger and yeah 5000 pack for $330
SMC makes some of the best packs made but the 20c pack won't compete with the yeah packs at 25c, it will only be more pronounced in oval than in offroad - I might consider a battery price point. I will work on the details and get them posted soon along with the other anticipated winter classes. I wouldn't anticipate much if any change from the rules already posted on the web site, which is basically the spec package run from coast to coast.

Well,

After thinkin' a little about a potential Lipo for the slash class. Here's some more thoughts.

Chris is offering a smokin' deal on a combo. BIG Kudos. You mentioned that the pack you offer in the combo is better than a similar 20c pack. Well if you run the ##'s I can see why. 5000x25C=125,000/1,000=125amps continuous.(that's 25more cont. amps than the pack i suggested and even more than the DODC 3200 lipo) I would say that if you'd offer that pack w/o the Onyx Charger for a similar price as Ultraline that would be cool. I just hate to see a $100 pack for a econo-class. Besides are the Yeah's avail? Ultraline says out of stock online?

[dozer9]

I have done the half the race forward and half the race backwards thing, it doesn't always work out for everyone....


Yes you are right.....but that is why it is a "fun" class at our track....It isnt about winning its about having fun and so far it has been a success. That is many times a problem with the HOBBY is that everyone one becomes so consumed with winning that it isnt fun. That is why we do what we do with the slashes.

[bumps and jumps rc]

I am all about fun
but I also want a place where newbies - especially kids can get started. The big constant that is different from when I started eons ago is there are very few kids into RC. We need to find a way to get them back into it.
Yes we sell the Yeah packs for about $65 - we have about 40 packs in stock :D

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

I am all about fun
but I also want a place where newbies - especially kids can get started. The big constant that is different from when I started eons ago is there are very few kids into RC. We need to find a way to get them back into it.
Yes we sell the Yeah packs for about $65 - we have about 40 packs in stock :D

I couldn't agree more Chris. The kids of today are tomorrows future racing crowd. Not to mention it's great to see father/son combo's racing at the track. I have 2 or 3 of them at my facility. It's really a great time. Glad to hear you have those packs in stock. the yeah racing Lipo's are another good affordable option. whatever you guys chose it sounds as if it will really help the growth of the class. :thumbsup:

[JohnnyO]

Again, I'm with Brock Li-Po is the Only was to GO! One battery strap it in and forget about it............. $50 would be great, even up to $65/$75 range....... I'm OK with no spring changes........... I would think 4000MAh 25c should be just fine, but no point in someone with a DODC battery needing to buy another........... what are the Traxxas Nation wide rules on the battery??

[bumps and jumps rc]

There is no benefit from limiting mah rating in lipo
The rules nation wide are any lipo or any nimh pack
I don't see a reason to change it. If someone wants to run a $150 pack, it really won't perform and better than some of the cheaper packs.
The offroad slash rules are on the web site - I really don't see any reason to change them.
Some of the offroad guys ran them on the oval after offroad and they looked like a blast - they all said it was fun.

[FPC99]

Chris so what your saying is that your going to use the same exact rules for the oval slash class as the offroad slash class , that would make it nice for a guy who wants to race oval Saturday then bring the same truck and race off road on sunday , Looks like you got at least 5 trucks already just from the guys on this thread and I think there are a lot of guys out there who already have a slash that never come on this site that will want to run the class once the word gets out and they find out about it

[RacerX11]

If I am correct, the offroad guys use the RCtech forums. though Chris will post on his site as well. Why not start racing Slashes now at Bumps? It might make truck night even bigger with Nitro Trucks and Slashes. Tough trucks, Tough racing.

[FPC99]

Racing is suppose to be fun no matter what the class , but racing is also about winning , that is anyones goal who races no matter what there telling you , oval rc racing is about going fast and turning left and having fun while doing it ,I dont agree with running backwards or anything like that yea it is suppose to be fun and it will be fun actually it will be a blast , but if you want a class to grow and want to bring new comers into it who always wanted to race something then you cant treat the class like a big joke because that will just steer people away from it , a spec slash oval class should be treated no different then any other class with the exception it is a spec class just about anyone can afford and a class were every driver knows there truck is just as capable of winning as the next guy

[RacerX11]

Racing is suppose to be fun no matter what the class , but racing is also about winning , that is anyones goal who races no matter what there telling you , oval rc racing is about going fast and turning left and having fun while doing it ,I dont agree with running backwards or anything like that yea it is suppose to be fun and it will be fun actually it will be a blast , but if you want a class to grow and want to bring new comers into it who always wanted to race something then you cant treat the class like a big joke because that will just steer people away from it , a spec slash oval class should be treated no different then any other class with the exception it is a spec class just about anyone can afford and a class were every driver knows there truck is just as capable of winning as the next guy

What are you talking about here. From the other post I have read, none of them were saying how to change the class. Though that figure 8 racing with the slashes sounds interesting. Not that I would try it, or would I?;)

[FPC99]

RacerX11
maybe you misinterpreted what I'm saying , what I am trying to say is that just because a class is spec and affordable to race shouldn't make it a class that is formatted any differently then any other class , i.e. figure eight or backwards LOL

[dozer9]

RacerX11
maybe you misinterpreted what I'm saying , what I am trying to say is that just because a class is spec and affordable to race shouldn't make it a class that is formatted any differently then any other class , i.e. figure eight or backwards LOL


And i think you misinterpreted what i am saying....I am in no way saying to reformat the class. I am just sharing what our local track is doing as a "fun" class with the slash. The slash is a great platform and is a blast to run on the oval in any fashion.

[JohnnyO]

Hey if these Slashs perform the same with any battery, and it's an open battery rule, I'm in!...... I own one Li-Po, so I'm good to go!........... I can see where this could create an illusion for a new guy though, somehow a new guy always thinks equipment is more important then experience........... Example a top electric racer shows up, runs a New Epic 5000+/40c ($150), charges @ 40amp with a modified Turbo 35 GFX powered by a 50amp Bulldog($500), goes out and wins..... the new guy doesn't realize this guy has been racing for 20+ years, and maybe finished in the top 10 @ Snowbirds or Cleavland. So now he figures with out a $300+ Radio, a $150+ battery, and a $500+ charging system he doesn't have a chance............. but I guess some things will never change, hopefully the local Top Dog will kick everybody a$$ with a $50 battery & $50 charger!!...... My battery cost me $110 and my charger (new) & power supply (used) were $150...... I think power wise I'm competitive, I know I'm getting beat by experience in both chassis setup & road course driving.... I just started racing Vintage Trans-AM on a road course... and all I can say is "it sure isn't easy!"


So now as I understand it:

A) Show up @ B&J Buy a Slash ($200)
B) Change the receiver to my DSM & setup the radio gear
C) Add a Transponder
D) Install my Li-Po (Charged of course)
E) Maybe change gearing
F) Only chassis changed allowed is Shock Oil

Have I got this picture correctly??

If so I have one more question, What Colors are avalable??

[ctsieber]

So now as I understand it:

A) Show up @ B&J Buy a Slash ($200)
B) Change the receiver to my DSM & setup the radio gear
C) Add a Transponder
D) Install my Li-Po (Charged of course)
E) Maybe change gearing
F) Only chassis changed allowed is Shock Oil

Have I got this picture correctly??

If so I have one more question, What Colors are avalable??

sounds like fun!

[bumps and jumps rc]

Johnny you got it - they come in red and blue variations.

We have 2 rentals that have worked out great in offroad.
I will certainly do the same and make rental's available for oval

[FPC99]

Chris you will allow us to buy the clear slash body so we can paint how ever we want , correct

[FPC99]

Hey if these Slashs perform the same with any battery, and it's an open battery rule, I'm in!...... I own one Li-Po, so I'm good to go!........... I can see where this could create an illusion for a new guy though, somehow a new guy always thinks equipment is more important then experience........... Example a top electric racer shows up, runs a New Epic 5000+/40c ($150), charges @ 40amp with a modified Turbo 35 GFX powered by a 50amp Bulldog($500), goes out and wins..... the new guy doesn't realize this guy has been racing for 20+ years, and maybe finished in the top 10 @ Snowbirds or Cleavland. So now he figures with out a $300+ Radio, a $150+ battery, and a $500+ charging system he doesn't have a chance............. but I guess some things will never change, hopefully the local Top Dog will kick everybody a$$ with a $50 battery & $50 charger!!...... My battery cost me $110 and my charger (new) & power supply (used) were $150...... I think power wise I'm competitive, I know I'm getting beat by experience in both chassis setup & road course driving.... I just started racing Vintage Trans-AM on a road course... and all I can say is "it sure isn't easy!"


So now as I understand it:

A) Show up @ B&J Buy a Slash ($200)
B) Change the receiver to my DSM & setup the radio gear
C) Add a Transponder
D) Install my Li-Po (Charged of course)
E) Maybe change gearing
F) Only chassis changed allowed is Shock Oil

Have I got this picture correctly??

If so I have one more question, What Colors are avalable??


Johnny I know what your saying about the new guy and equipment , it is even like that in real racing , a lot of people over look just how much experence plays a role in any form of racing , actually in anything we do

[bumps and jumps rc]

Sure any paint - in off-road we relaxed the body rule a little but in oval I won't waiver as much - a stock body only rule makes it cheap and the same for everyone :)

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Sure any paint - in off-road we relaxed the body rule a little but in oval I won't waiver as much - a stock body only rule makes it cheap and the same for everyone :)

Hey Chris,

Is there anyone down there running the Proline body that has the breakaway fenders? Those look SWEET. :thumbsup:

[FPC99]

OK got a few dumb question here , I never ran electric so I know nothing at all about lipos , what exactly does the C rating mean ?? , what is balance charging and or discharging ?? , do lipos need any type of cycling ?? , will one pack get me through a day of racing ?? , when I look at the lipo packs on some of the rc web sites they are hard cased packs with no connectors that appear like they take some type of bananna plug , can you purchase premade connectors that plug right into these packs that have a traxxas plug on them ?? , also on the hard case packs there is another port in between the two battery lead connectors which I am assuming is a port for a balancing plug and if I am correct on that were can you get the connector for that , any help will be greatly appreciated

[JohnnyO]

ok got a few dumb question here all good questions!!,

i never ran electric so i know nothing at all about lipos , what exactly does the c rating mean ?? , This is the continuess amp rate draw


what is balance charging and or discharging ?? , Li-Po have a balancing plug, a balancer drops the voltage of the higher cells so they are all equal---- discharging at a rate like 40 amp will give you a run time


do lipos need any type of cycling ?? , Yes & No, they don't need it, but a new pack will run faster after 20 to 40 cycles

will one pack get me through a day of racing ?? Yes, race & recharge & race again


, when i look at the lipo packs on some of the rc web sites they are hard cased packs with no connectors that appear like they take some type of bananna plug , can you purchase premade connectors that plug right into these packs that have a traxxas plug on them ?? , For racing you want a hard case for safty, changing the plug is no big deal to match your speed controller



also on the hard case packs there is another port in between the two battery lead connectors which i am assuming is a port for a balancing plug and if i am correct on that were can you get the connector for that , Correct, but this part is tricky, there are many balancers out there and they will all need the correct adapter to fit your battery/balancer, there are basicly 4 manufactured types of balancer plugs (why no standard, i don't know)


any help will be greatly appreciated hopes this helps

Good Luck!!!

[FPC99]

Thanks for all the info johnny , it is very helpful and appreciated

[Smokinnitro]

I have done the half the race forward and half the race backwards thing, it doesn't always work out for everyone....


It was even worse for me!! LOL

[tinman79]

I ran my slash on the oval at B&J a few times and it IS a blast, and it IS cheap racing! Of course so were the losi sliders and mini late models(almost half the cost of a slash) that everyone laughed at, and said a spec. class would never fly anymore......and it didnt!;)
So my questions are.......
1. Why not just use the same rules as offroad?:thumbsup:
2. Why not allow the proline bodies?(especially that sweet fender shedder?):o:D:D
3. Why is racing an OFFROAD truck on an oval so appealing, and mini oval cars so lame?:mad:
P.S.- Anybody wanna buy any Losi mini sliders and mini latemodels?;)

[JohnnyO]

I ran my slash on the oval at B&J a few times and it IS a blast, and it IS cheap racing! Of course so were the losi sliders and mini late models(almost half the cost of a slash) that everyone laughed at, and said a spec. class would never fly anymore......and it didnt!;)
So my questions are.......
1. Why not just use the same rules as offroad?:thumbsup:
I Think this is were we are at!!


2. Why not allow the proline bodies?(especially that sweet fender shedder?):o:D:D
I guess it's just a Cost thing, if you allow one you allow another, etc, etc....... ROAR is about to kill the Slash Class with Associates & Losis, you wait these will be $600+ trucks


3. Why is racing an OFFROAD truck on an oval so appealing, and mini oval cars so lame?:mad:
It's a full size 10th scale truck on a 10th scale track (like a RC10GT), the Losi sliders being a smaller scale, just didn't appel to the 10th scale racer..........In On-Road a good 1/12 scale track is to tight for 10th scale car, and a good 10th scale track is to big for 12th.... its tuff to mix scales on the same track


P.S.- Anybody wanna buy any Losi mini sliders and mini latemodels?;)
Pesonally I'll pass, e-Bay may be your best bet

johnO

[gon'fast]

Done the SPEC racing and love it, but here's what I don't understand..... everyone is worried about shock oils, springs, batteries, etc..., but know one sees a problem with swapping out radio gear? I'm pretty sure you can do more with a dsm or 3pk than you can with the traxxas radio. So you still have the problem of guys being in the hobby for a while, with a leg up out of the gate against a newbie with a rtr. When you can adjust drag brake, d/r steering, percentage l/r steering, etc... So, please explain the SPEC of swapping out radio gear?

[DaBearsNo13]

Done the SPEC racing and love it, but here's what I don't understand..... everyone is worried about shock oils, springs, batteries, etc..., but know one sees a problem with swapping out radio gear? I'm pretty sure you can do more with a dsm or 3pk than you can with the traxxas radio. So you still have the problem of guys being in the hobby for a while, with a leg up out of the gate against a newbie with a rtr. When you can adjust drag brake, d/r steering, percentage l/r steering, etc... So, please explain the SPEC of swapping out radio gear?


Its been a while since I last worked at a hobby shop, but I think that these cars only come with 6 posible channels from the factory. Hence frequencies could become a problem. Plus the controller....:confused:....how will that be an advantage? Its the 5th wheel that makes the biggest difference! I say let them rip during weekly shows. Any way to get new people in is good.... well as long as its legal! ;)

Later,
Russ

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Done the SPEC racing and love it, but here's what I don't understand..... everyone is worried about shock oils, springs, batteries, etc..., but know one sees a problem with swapping out radio gear? I'm pretty sure you can do more with a dsm or 3pk than you can with the traxxas radio. So you still have the problem of guys being in the hobby for a while, with a leg up out of the gate against a newbie with a rtr. When you can adjust drag brake, d/r steering, percentage l/r steering, etc... So, please explain the SPEC of swapping out radio gear?

I have argued this point before in "spec" racing in other classes. I have used TQ radios before in my Slash and my weekly radio is a 3pk. On one side I'd like to think that the radio is no more than a comfort thing for a driver.(And the frequency conflict is greatly reduced if guys are not stuck on 27mhz and it's 6 channels)

However with my all but radio STOCK slash I did notice a few things. With the stock TQ radio it never really re-centers for some reason so I always chased the steering trim(Might be radio or servo/servo saver not sure) I've replaced all the mechanical and still did it until my 3PK came onboard. Another thing I noticed was in box stock form I wasn't getting 100% steering. This came to light when my 3PK was installed and I check my steering endpoints. my trims are now to 115% both L/R w/ the 3PK. All steering components yet remain Stock. So another difference.

Beyond that I have and use my ABS function on my slash as well. Being RWD and having a lot of body roll it seems pretty easy to stab the brakes and snap-spin and or traction roll the thing! However with the ABS function on it helps a LOT. (Both on oval and off-road)

I guess since this class has gone down the road of a more "spec" class it's going to be up to the guy writing the rules. For me my 3PK has benefits over the TQ. WAY beyond just making frequency conflicts a thing of the past.

Good Luck mandating a TQ stock radio rule. Many will argue that $400 radio's aren't an advantage. Just a mear convinience along with being personal preference.... I would beg to differ... just my .02. :thumbsup:

On a sidenote why the concern over a Body for these? I didn't think they went fast enough to have aero issues/benefits? besides stock is boring looking. Why couldn't the proline bodies that FLY APART be used? They look cool as hell! :thumbsup:

[RacerX11]

Ok I am not trying to stir the pot here, though I fear I am:

Remember, the short course class is still a developing class. Other manufactures would eventually come out with trucks. I think Horizon/Losi made a great move to release the strike, it was designed for Spec racing in mind. Associated, another story. Traxxas wasn't going to have a Monopoly on this class forever, it was going to happen sooner or later. You think tracks are going to deny new racers that bought a Strike to race, even during these times? Tell them they can't race and they spent 300 Dollars for nothing?

[bumps and jumps rc]

Sorry the Slash class is just that Slash's only
I think Losi and Associated should have come up with there own spec class - not jump in on the Slash bandwagon. We will not allow the other manufacturers to compete in the Slash only class. Most other tracks across the county are doing the same thing. A T4 with a different body on it is still a T4:confused:

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Ok I am not trying to stir the pot here, though I fear I am:

Remember, the short course class is still a developing class. Other manufactures would eventually come out with trucks. I think Horizon/Losi made a great move to release the strike, it was designed for Spec racing in mind. Associated, another story. Traxxas wasn't going to have a Monopoly on this class forever, it was going to happen sooner or later. You think tracks are going to deny new racers that bought a Strike to race, even during these times? Tell them they can't race and they spent 300 Dollars for nothing?

Sorry the Slash class is just that Slash's only
I think Losi and Associated should have come up with there own spec class - not jump in on the Slash bandwagon. We will not allow the other manufacturers to compete in the Slash only class. Most other tracks across the county are doing the same thing. A T4 with a different body on it is still a T4:confused:

I've seen an SC10 first hand.... Save yourself the headache and get a Slash. As for the Losi... Ugh. I like the Slider platform but Slider drivetrain holding up to the abuse of what a SLASH can take? yeah right... LOL. There's a reason why this drivetrain failed to sell in Losi's Desert Rat truck... And the Buggy/Truck platform that got AXED which they took the drivetrain from originally...

Stick with the Slash. It's the way to go!!! :thumbsup:

[JohnnyO]

Done the SPEC racing and love it, but here's what I don't understand..... everyone is worried about shock oils, springs, batteries, etc..., but know one sees a problem with swapping out radio gear? I'm pretty sure you can do more with a dsm or 3pk than you can with the traxxas radio. So you still have the problem of guys being in the hobby for a while, with a leg up out of the gate against a newbie with a rtr. When you can adjust drag brake, d/r steering, percentage l/r steering, etc... So, please explain the SPEC of swapping out radio gear?


Good point, 100% Accurate, a better radio is a plus, but a new guy can still get his feet wet with a stock radio, if he likes it, he can upgrade........ For the guys that have upgraded radios, no point in down grading......... As far as an experienced racer having one leg up on the new guy, his experience far out weights the radio. No idea is perfect, but this Slash class Idea sounds pretty good to me so far. I've got a few cars that I have over a $1000 in. I found a good used Slash over the weekend for $100, I'm In!!!

johnO

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Good point, 100% Accurate, a better radio is a plus, but a new guy can still get his feet wet with a stock radio, if he likes it, he can upgrade........ For the guys that have upgraded radios, no point in down grading......... As far as an experienced racer having one leg up on the new guy, his experience far out weights the radio. No idea is perfect, but this Slash class Idea sounds pretty good to me so far. I've got a few cars that I have over a $1000 in. I found a good used Slash over the weekend for $100, I'm In!!!

johnO

I have to agree JohnO,

Radio is lesser of an advantage than many of the things that are bound by the rules. That is why I would have to agree with allowing radio changes. Plus if you have veteran support mixed in along with some new blood it will help the new guys learn from the veterans. (And maybe some viceversa!!) :thumbsup:

[Crash#15]

I've seen an SC10 first hand.... Save yourself the headache and get a Slash. As for the Losi... Ugh. I like the Slider platform but Slider drivetrain holding up to the abuse of what a SLASH can take? yeah right... LOL. There's a reason why this drivetrain failed to sell in Losi's Desert Rat truck... And the Buggy/Truck platform that got AXED which they took the drivetrain from originally...

Stick with the Slash. It's the way to go!!! :thumbsup:


The sc10 handles alot better and turns on a dime, I have heard of the trannys clicking in them, they tell you to tear it apart and put a spacer in it... they are much smoother riding truck tho as compared to the slash.

either one has its pros and cons tho

[kartracer2]

I've seen an SC10 first hand.... Save yourself the headache and get a Slash. As for the Losi... Ugh. I like the Slider platform but Slider drivetrain holding up to the abuse of what a SLASH can take? yeah right... LOL. There's a reason why this drivetrain failed to sell in Losi's Desert Rat truck... And the Buggy/Truck platform that got AXED which they took the drivetrain from originally...

Stick with the Slash. It's the way to go!!! :thumbsup:

Ive owned both the Slash and the SC10.
The only problem I had with the SC10 is the tranny clicking but Associated
included washers to put in the tranny that stopped the clicking. The slash
is a much more durable truck and can take a lot more of a beating. I personally
liked the slash's durability but I had no complaints with the SC10.

[FPC99]

Good point, 100% Accurate, a better radio is a plus, but a new guy can still get his feet wet with a stock radio, if he likes it, he can upgrade........ For the guys that have upgraded radios, no point in down grading......... As far as an experienced racer having one leg up on the new guy, his experience far out weights the radio. No idea is perfect, but this Slash class Idea sounds pretty good to me so far. I've got a few cars that I have over a $1000 in. I found a good used Slash over the weekend for $100, I'm In!!!

johnO


I also got mine this part weekend so i'm in and cant hardly wait for the winter season to arrive

[FPC99]

Sorry the Slash class is just that Slash's only
I think Losi and Associated should have come up with there own spec class - not jump in on the Slash bandwagon. We will not allow the other manufacturers to compete in the Slash only class. Most other tracks across the county are doing the same thing. A T4 with a different body on it is still a T4:confused:


Exactly Chris , I'm glad to see your sticking with slash only for a slash class , sort of makes the most sense

[FPC99]

Done the SPEC racing and love it, but here's what I don't understand..... everyone is worried about shock oils, springs, batteries, etc..., but know one sees a problem with swapping out radio gear? I'm pretty sure you can do more with a dsm or 3pk than you can with the traxxas radio. So you still have the problem of guys being in the hobby for a while, with a leg up out of the gate against a newbie with a rtr. When you can adjust drag brake, d/r steering, percentage l/r steering, etc... So, please explain the SPEC of swapping out radio gear?

I am almost certain this class will be a very big hit with 10 plus entries probably even much higher when other guys see them race , the stock traxxas radio has only 5 or 6 available channels , that would create a frequency nightmare , I would understand having to use a stock radio if the traxxas radio was a DSM but its not

[WYD]

Sorry the Slash class is just that Slash's only
I think Losi and Associated should have come up with there own spec class - not jump in on the Slash bandwagon. We will not allow the other manufacturers to compete in the Slash only class. Most other tracks across the county are doing the same thing. A T4 with a different body on it is still a T4:confused:You didn't think the other manufactures would actually come up with a good idea on their own did yeah!!!!!!!!!!! Traxxas still has the RTR market covered no matter what Associated and Losi do.

[WYD]

I am almost certain this class will be a very big hit with 10 plus entries probably even much higher when other guys see them race , the stock traxxas radio has only 5 or 6 available channels , that would create a frequency nightmare , I would understand having to use a stock radio if the traxxas radio was a DSM but its notTraxxas does make a DSM TQ radio that can be bought spearately but I think it is roughly 129 bucks. Who knows maybe down the road Traxxas will make a Slash kit that comes with their new TQ DSM radio. RIght now I think it comes in a few highend RTR kits only or buy it separately.

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Traxxas does make a DSM TQ radio that can be bought spearately but I think it is roughly 129 bucks. Who knows maybe down the road Traxxas will make a Slash kit that comes with their new TQ DSM radio. RIght now I think it comes in a few highend RTR kits only or buy it separately.

I called Traxxas about their 2.4ghz radio a few months ago. They will eventually be in all kits. I've watched them slowly change the RTR kits by adding this and that over the years. The big thing I saw most recently was the waterproof ESC/Radio box as well as full upgraded sealed bearings and steel transmission gears on ALL of their models. The best part is the essential parts from Traxxas haven't changed in a LONG time... the shocks have changed color as have some of the chassis parts but gears from back in the late 80's and through the 90's still interchange. Hex hardware is now standard instead of phillips. If I was a dealer looking to promote a product line and now with the Slash Spec classes Traxxas is the only way to go. 100% waterproof. Durable. What more could you want??? :D

[WYD]

I called Traxxas about their 2.4ghz radio a few months ago. They will eventually be in all kits. I've watched them slowly change the RTR kits by adding this and that over the years. The big thing I saw most recently was the waterproof ESC/Radio box as well as full upgraded sealed bearings and steel transmission gears on ALL of their models. The best part is the essential parts from Traxxas haven't changed in a LONG time... the shocks have changed color as have some of the chassis parts but gears from back in the late 80's and through the 90's still interchange. Hex hardware is now standard instead of phillips. If I was a dealer looking to promote a product line and now with the Slash Spec classes Traxxas is the only way to go. 100% waterproof. Durable. What more could you want??? :DCool. Didn't know when and if they would use the new TQ DSM radio in kits but now I know. Thanks.

Yeah Traxxas really has set the bar with it comes to RTR kits. Others try to copy but to be honest are not that successful at it IMO. Parts support and hopup support is excellent and they have nice brushless system now and the 2.5 nitro and 3.3 motors are excellent bang for the dollar.

One huge thing I have seen is the new directions Traxxas has in the kits are the best I have ever seen. If you actually take the time to read the directions it is almost impossible not to have success. The new directions are geared for the newbie and are easy to understand. No one matches the Traxxas directions.:thumbsup:

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Well I the thing that really for me makes Traxxas great is their long-term commitment to help both the racer/basher and LHS alike. they don't constantly make generational changes... Associated, Losi, Hpi, and many others re-invent the wheel it seems like every 3-4 years. RC10, RC10B2, B3, B4, Losi X, XX, XXX, AD1... All those companies seem to do is constanly make changes in parts. Try being a Hobby shop and stock their inventories that change every 3-4 years! traxxas Kits have remained very similar for more than a decade. First with the 1/10 stuff and now the Maxx stuff. And with the Revo lineup they have 4-5 vehicles sharing parts....

The Losi lineup off off-road stuff is a hard sell at the LHS and for me. The desert Truck which incidentally used the same Esc as the original 1/10 Slider was prone to issues. (Go figure!) And the transmission and drivetrain was used from their now defunk/discont. off-road buggy/truck lineup. The new "Slash copycat" is a great idea but with the same drivetrain from a failed product line... I give it a year or so like the desert rat and it will be gone.

As for the SC10. Handles a little better than the Slash. It's an AE so parts are pretty durable for "racing" but bashing it takes less abuse from what I have seen. 2 guys I know own them and are constantly breakin' stuff. And from the now weeks of racing and dozens of HARD hits the Slash is head and shoulders above the SC10. Not to mention the cost to get the SC10 RTR vs. the slash. It's that much more costly.

Ok. enough playin' Traxxas spokesperson. There's no check involved! ;):thumbsup:

[FPC99]

I bought my slash and noticed they have progressive shock springs which is something I never used on any oval car or truck I raced , does anyone out there already racing a slash on a dirt oval have a suggestion as to what is a good weight shock oil to start out with , thanks

[RacerX11]

Well I was at Bumps the other day and an idea popped up in a conversation. Two classes. First of course is the Slash Class and Second is the Open Short Course Class. The open class is for the SC10, Slash, and Strike w/ mods. with the Slash class being the spec class.

worth trying out in my opinion.

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Well I was at Bumps the other day and an idea popped up in a conversation. Two classes. First of course is the Slash Class and Second is the Open Short Course Class. The open class is for the SC10, Slash, and Strike w/ mods. with the Slash class being the spec class.

worth trying out in my opinion.

Carefully consider the "2" class thing. I always liked to see a "New" platform or new class run a year or two before then splitting it up again and thus watering down the car counts. If there were 15-20-25 cars on a given circuit throughout the season i'd say sure but these days we're lucky to get enough cars in a given class for 2 full heats! These days guys at the track really need to practice some restraint and just "Race what's being raced". If you don't want to have fun in a stock class then find another class to run in. Usually there's many alternatives.

We saw this happen with the 1/18 Sliders and 1/18 LM's. First was box stock. Then guy shows up with some upgrades and wants to start a new class splitting the field when 2 of his buddies follow suit. Then it's well what will the rules be and what's the goal... etc.. Then it spirals to the point that the original class dies from lack of support and you're left with the few guys who wanted to change box stock into full blown Bl/Lipo w/ unlimited budget racing for 1/18th cars!!! CRAZY.

I'd vote for 1 class for an entire year and if you really want to race. Run the class. Show your support and get new blood involved to the point were a new class or class split would be sustainable. :thumbsup:

[josmurf9]

Good day to all of you on the East coast. All suggestions you have made are excellent, and even better, all of you are thinking on keeping the competition close and fun.
As for Slash rules, out here in Cali, Hot Rod Hobbies and the Jimmy Babcock Racing League run Slash classes based on the Traxxas published rules, with only a few modifications. Granted this is OffRoad, but Tuesday and Saturday night club racing At HRH is averaging 40-55 Slash, broken down by Sportsman and Expert. You start in Sportsman, there is a two month track series and the winner of that series is promoted to the Expert class. So, every two months is an opportunity for someone to step up and be "the Racer"(some young ladies have won series) for the current two month series.
In the past few months, HRH & the JBRL have also gone to an Open Short Course division, basically all the 'Factory & Hot Shoes" run any of the SC trucks, mod motors,etc. This is attracking 15-25 weekly.
His rules are posted on www.jimmybabcock.com (http://www.jimmybabcock.com) , electric series.

While you will say this is for OffRoad, same rules apply on the Racers Haven's Dirt Oval in Bakersfield. Unified rules, where you can race the same truck without any changes.

As an additional note, Matt Murphy www.murfdogg.com (http://www.murfdogg.com) ran the ROAR Off Road Nationals last month in a borrowed Associated SC10 and tied for the National Championship, losing out on the third tie breaker by 1.8 seconds(total time). He says driving OffRoad is making him a better Oval driver, so he may have something for the USOWC this year.

Keep up the great thinking of how to keep this hobby of playing with TOY cars fun!!

Joe Murphy

PS - My Slash has the Losi Late Model body on it. Realistic look!

[FPC99]

Well I was at Bumps the other day and an idea popped up in a conversation. Two classes. First of course is the Slash Class and Second is the Open Short Course Class. The open class is for the SC10, Slash, and Strike w/ mods. with the Slash class being the spec class.

worth trying out in my opinion.


Here we go already and the class hasn't even started yet trying to destroy a good thing by wanting to turn one class into two , at what point do people learn lessons from bad past decisions , almost every time you start turning one class into two different class's you end up with low car counts in each class which takes the fun and interest right out of it and eventually both class's will die. a real racer wants competition , they want to work to make the A Main not just automatically make the A Main because there isn't enough trucks in the class , what fun is that , I know I wont race mine if there are only a few , why would I want to pay a $15 entry fee to race two or three other trucks I can do that right here in my neighborhood for free

[RacerX11]

Here we go already and the class hasn't even started yet trying to destroy a good thing by wanting to turn one class into two , at what point do people learn lessons from bad past decisions , almost every time you start turning one class into two different class's you end up with low car counts in each class which takes the fun and interest right out of it and eventually both class's will die. a real racer wants competition , they want to work to make the A Main not just automatically make the A Main because there isn't enough trucks in the class , what fun is that , I know I wont race mine if there are only a few , why would I want to pay a $15 entry fee to race two or three other trucks I can do that right here in my neighborhood for free

This was just something that was said. If it happens or not, you never know. Brian Regile and Chris may talk about this. but what you said about reducing racers is not entirely true. Look at Latemodels. There is an open and a limited nitro class and both get good counts.

[RacerX11]

I picked up the September 2009 RC Driver and and found out Traxxas was not the first to release a Short Course truck. some company called ThunderTech released a SC truck before Traxxas did. Weird huh

[padale70]

jus t acouple of quick questions i have a son 5 and a daughter 9 that would like to try oval racing and if this class stays stock slash like it seems it will i think this would be a great affordable way to get them interested in the hobby so for the first question will ther be an age limit? and will bumps and jumps have some type of package that i could pickup one for each of them?

[curtisp]

jus t acouple of quick questions i have a son 5 and a daughter 9 that would like to try oval racing and if this class stays stock slash like it seems it will i think this would be a great affordable way to get them interested in the hobby so for the first question will ther be an age limit? and will bumps and jumps have some type of package that i could pickup one for each of them?

Yep Love the idea - I could only hope it works half as good as it did last year in offorad.
I wouldn't allow the spring change.
It is part of what makes the slash great.
We sell a whole package slash , onyx 230 charger and yeah 5000 pack for $330
SMC makes some of the best packs made but the 20c pack won't compete with the yeah packs at 25c, it will only be more pronounced in oval than in offroad - I might consider a battery price point. I will work on the details and get them posted soon along with the other anticipated winter classes. I wouldn't anticipate much if any change from the rules already posted on the web site, which is basically the spec package run from coast to coast.

Looks like they do. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[WYD]

Here we go already and the class hasn't even started yet trying to destroy a good thing by wanting to turn one class into two , at what point do people learn lessons from bad past decisions , almost every time you start turning one class into two different class's you end up with low car counts in each class which takes the fun and interest right out of it and eventually both class's will die. a real racer wants competition , they want to work to make the A Main not just automatically make the A Main because there isn't enough trucks in the class , what fun is that , I know I wont race mine if there are only a few , why would I want to pay a $15 entry fee to race two or three other trucks I can do that right here in my neighborhood for freeBumps easily has enough racers ro run two classes. They had 25 ot almost 40 a week so I don't see the problem with running an open class. Where not about to chase away a bunch of racers that are going to run the SC10 and Strife. We are also not going to let the Slash go to the way side as we sold too many of them to chase those guys away. With nitro dropping off the open CORR class will draw a good amount of racers to it.

We are not talking about running 35 classes like oval does so everyone can make an A main here.

The other thing is the hobby is always changing and last year we didn't have really anything but the Slash. No turn the clock ahead 6 months and now we hae 2 or 3 new CORR trucks that all handle better than the Slash. If we run them against the existing Slash class people will be mad. If we don't start a class to accomodate them then we potentially loose 15 to 20 racers. Chris will tweak things as needed with the changing times.

[WYD]

jus t acouple of quick questions i have a son 5 and a daughter 9 that would like to try oval racing and if this class stays stock slash like it seems it will i think this would be a great affordable way to get them interested in the hobby so for the first question will ther be an age limit? and will bumps and jumps have some type of package that i could pickup one for each of them?You can be any age to run any of the R/C classes that Bumps offers to the racers. I can help you out on what you need to get going and Chris can do so as well plus work out different packages deals with different charges and lipos available.

Slash will be more than likely the largest class this year and I see the open class short coarse trucks being very large as well. Still working on this right now so will see what happens.

We will still have 2wd mod buggy, 4wd mod buggy, 1/10th nitro and 1/8 depending how many show. Look forward to a bigger and better year than we had last year.

Brian

[FPC99]

Bumps easily has enough racers ro run two classes. They had 25 ot almost 40 a week so I don't see the problem with running an open class. Where not about to chase away a bunch of racers that are going to run the SC10 and Strife. We are also not going to let the Slash go to the way side as we sold too many of them to chase those guys away. With nitro dropping off the open CORR class will draw a good amount of racers to it.

We are not talking about running 35 classes like oval does so everyone can make an A main here.

The other thing is the hobby is always changing and last year we didn't have really anything but the Slash. No turn the clock ahead 6 months and now we hae 2 or 3 new CORR trucks that all handle better than the Slash. If we run them against the existing Slash class people will be mad. If we don't start a class to accomodate them then we potentially loose 15 to 20 racers. Chris will tweak things as needed with the changing times.

I think you might be misunderstanding , This thread is about an oval slash class not offroad , there was no oval slash class in the past at bumps that I am aware of

[RacerX11]

Bumps easily has enough racers ro run two classes. They had 25 ot almost 40 a week so I don't see the problem with running an open class. Where not about to chase away a bunch of racers that are going to run the SC10 and Strife. We are also not going to let the Slash go to the way side as we sold too many of them to chase those guys away. With nitro dropping off the open CORR class will draw a good amount of racers to it.

We are not talking about running 35 classes like oval does so everyone can make an A main here.

The other thing is the hobby is always changing and last year we didn't have really anything but the Slash. No turn the clock ahead 6 months and now we hae 2 or 3 new CORR trucks that all handle better than the Slash. If we run them against the existing Slash class people will be mad. If we don't start a class to accomodate them then we potentially loose 15 to 20 racers. Chris will tweak things as needed with the changing times.

I think you might be misunderstanding , This thread is about an oval slash class not offroad , there was no oval slash class in the past at bumps that I am aware of

FPC,

Brain may have been talking offroad, what listen to what he is saying. They wont chase away people who run the SC10, Strike, or Blitz.

PS- The Blitz is HPI's new short course truck.

[JohnnyO]

So what's the schedule going to be, as to when are we going to start racing the Stone Stock Slash Class??............ Maybe add them to the Wed Night Truck Acton??

[JohnnyO]

OK, got my Slash up and running today, they're a little slower then I had hoped, maybe we should race these in a figure 8????????????......... You got to admit the intersection would be WILD!!:D:ha::ha:

[WYD]

OK, got my Slash up and running today, they're a little slower then I had hoped, maybe we should race these in a figure 8????????????......... You got to admit the intersection would be WILD!!:D:ha::ha:Figure 8 cutting thru the infield with a cross over jump.:D

[JohnnyO]

I'd go for that, they do jump nice!!.......But just a Intersection would be NUTS!!!........ So what can I do, or not do to this shocks?????

johnO

[tinman79]

So does anyone KNOW that this class is going to happen yet? I'm still "on the fence" for winter racing, so Id like to know what classes will be offered for sure, before I decide.:D

[bumps and jumps rc]

yes we are running slash spec this season.

[tinman79]

Thanks Chris, thats awesome!! Nick and I had sooooo much fun practicing on the oval with these last year....I KNOW this will be a big class.
Will the current offroad rules apply for oval.....I think if you spec. a body it should be the fender shedder!:D:D;)