MDM rules

[low81ryder]

MARYVILLE MIDWEST DIRT MODIFIEDS


M.D.M

CHASSIS Must be a STOCK 2wd buggy chassis. Associated, Losi, Kyosho, etc. NO AFTER MARKET PARTS. Manufacture upgrades only for that specific buggy. RPM ball cups or Rod Ends will be allowed. No MIXING of parts B4 must be B4, Losi must be Losi, etc. Must run rear shocks on rear, fronts on front. NO lightning of chassis. Battery must be in center. Weight must be inside of chassis. Cannot be mounted outside of chassis. No adding weight to A Arms. No drilling or grinding to alter wheelbase or front and rear toe. Wheelbase, rear and front wheel widths must remain stock. No truck A Arms or center pans.
Any springs can be used. No slipper eliminators. REMEMBER 2 WD STOCK BUGGY CHASSIS.


MOTORS :ONLY MAMBA MAX 5700 system, MAMBA SIDEWINDER 5700 system, Dynamite C4 motor ( It is a Mamba 5700 )or smaller MAMBA systems and ONLY Novak 7.5 Velociti system or smaller.(This is a starting point to see what compares with what. May change)

BATTERIES: Any LIPO or NMH. Lipo cutoff not needed but would be smart to have.

TIRES & WHEELS : Must be out of the package buggy tires and wheels. No truck tires and wheels. No sectioning or splicing of rear tires and wheels or front tires and wheels.



BODIES : NO floppers at all. Center section must be a McAllister Syracuse EDM. McAllister’s #200 Syracuse EDM body kit is legal. We also have 3 styles to choose from. I will post diagrams of them when I get them drawn. MAX length of body is 14 ½ in. ROOF area is 5 ½ x 5 ½ plus 1/4 in wicker downward in front and 1/2 in. wicker on rear. No off setting of roof, must be centered in width of body. Side windows, A pillars and rear sail panels must connect to side panels and entire roof. No vertical sail panels off side panels. No side dams. 1/2 in wicker can be added to center section spoiler. 1/4 wicker around the bottom edge of bodies max. Max. of 6 in. from center of rear axle to rear of body. Side windows cannot be cut out. No drilling of body panels to let air in. Front bumper allowed 4 1/4 wide 2 in. out from front of chassis and must be level. No metal bumpers. Front spoiler allowed, 4 x 2 1/2 plus 1/4 in wicker at top. If building own body, 0.30 or thicker Lexan must be used. Front of body cannot extend out over the front tires


Race directors will have ultimate authority over rules enforcement. The primary basis for any rules decision must be based on what will be best for the majority of racers. If an item is not addressed in the rules listed here than you should assume it is not legal.

[MiniT21]

YAY MOUSE!!! bout time....

[overlandovalracer]

What about drilling body panels to let air out??? (in reference to the no drilling of holes to let air in...)

Just messin' with ya mouse! :D

[low81ryder]

what about drilling body panels to let air out??? (in reference to the no drilling of holes to let air in...)

just messin' with ya mouse! :d
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[low81ryder]

Here are the choices that i build. You can also use the McAllister Syracuse EDM body #200. All bodies come with Syrcuse center

[racerjmh]

Are the rear sail panels cut at the template or can you paint the body to match the template and let the sail panels extend to the rear bumper following the roofline?

Jim

[JasonAB25]

I would guess they are cut at the template, but i could be wrong.

[low81ryder]

Are the rear sail panels cut at the template or can you paint the body to match the template and let the sail panels extend to the rear bumper following the roofline?

JimNo you cannot paint the the body to match template. A pillars and rear sail panels must connect to side panels and entire roof. they are cut at the template. Any more questions you can email me or call me 618-259-5658. Thanks....Steve (mouse)

[Sprocket]

The Roberts body looks the best to me guys ,designed by a good guy and named after a good looking fellow (dont puke I am just kidding) . I hope this class takes off , we have to keep this cheap so please show some support these guys have been working hard to keep it fun and the cost down hats off to ya guys.:thumbsup:

[Keith wayne]

Mcallister Volusia County bod legal or not ??

[low81ryder]

Mcallister Volusia County bod legal or not ??
Sorry Keith its not. Gotta to be the Syracuse Style and the sail panels cant be straight up and down must connect to the roof. Cya.....Mouse any questions gimme a buzz. 618-259-5658 cell is 618-779-5208

[MiniT21]

My MDM (said in the most "special" voice)

[low81ryder]

My MDM (said in the most "special" voice)
Nice job Matt! Now get some nice graphics on it :thumbsup:. Cya.... Mouse

[MiniT21]

yah, i gotta go hit up joe sometime this week and get some stickers for it.

[2cells]

sweeeeeeeet!! Way to go Matt.:thumbsup:

[Keith wayne]

WHERE CAN I GET A SYRACUSE CENTER SECTION :yellowflag::revs: I'LL HAVE TO USE THE VOLUSIA CENTER AS SWAMP BUGGY THEN:D:greenflag::whiteflag::checkeredflag:

[low81ryder]

WHERE CAN I GET A SYRACUSE CENTER SECTION :yellowflag::revs: I'LL HAVE TO USE THE VOLUSIA CENTER AS SWAMP BUGGY THEN:D:greenflag::whiteflag::checkeredflag:
LOL !! we will have some in this week Keith gimme a buzz and ill let ya know. Cya....Mouse:thumbsup::revs::greenflag:

[Keith wayne]

ALRIGHT THEN I'LL BE A CALLIN YUNS LATER:redflag: SSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA:greenflag::whiteflag::checkere dflag::checkeredflag:

[whtpny4]

car looks good matt!:thumbsup:

[skullman]

MOTORS : MAMBA MAX 5700 system, MAMBA SIDEWINDER 5700 system, Dynamite C4 motor ( It is a Mamba 5700 )or smaller MAMBA systems and Novak 7.5 Velociti system or smaller.(This is a starting point to see what compares with what. May change)



Why cant we use a lrp 7.5?

[voodoo427]

the lrp should be consistent with the novak since the novak actually puts out more kvs

[sps3172]

MARYVILLE MIDWEST DIRT MODIFIEDS



M.D.M

CHASSIS Must be a STOCK 2wd buggy chassis. Associated, Losi, Kyosho, etc. NO AFTER MARKET PARTS. Manufacture upgrades only for that specific buggy. RPM ball cups or Rod Ends will be allowed. No MIXING of parts B4 must be B4, Losi must be Losi, etc. Must run rear shocks on rear, fronts on front. NO lightning of chassis. Battery must be in center. Weight must be inside of chassis. Cannot be mounted outside of chassis. No adding weight to A Arms. No drilling or grinding to alter wheelbase or front and rear toe. Wheelbase, rear and front wheel widths must remain stock. No truck A Arms or center pans.
Any springs can be used. No slipper eliminators. REMEMBER 2 WD STOCK BUGGY CHASSIS.


MOTORS : MAMBA MAX 5700 system, MAMBA SIDEWINDER 5700 system, Dynamite C4 motor ( It is a Mamba 5700 )or smaller MAMBA systems and Novak 7.5 Velociti system or smaller.(This is a starting point to see what compares with what. May change)

BATTERIES: Any LIPO or NMH. Lipo cutoff not needed but would be smart to have.

TIRES & WHEELS : Must be out of the package buggy tires and wheels. No truck tires and wheels. No sectioning or splicing of rear tires and wheels or front tires and wheels.



BODIES : NO floppers at all. Center section must be a McAllister Syracuse EDM. McAllister’s #200 Syracuse EDM body kit is legal. We also have 3 styles to choose from. I will post diagrams of them when I get them drawn. MAX length of body is 14 ½ in. ROOF area is 5 ½ x 5 ½ plus 1/4 in wicker downward in front and 1/2 in. wicker on rear. No off setting of roof, must be centered in width of body. Side windows, A pillars and rear sail panels must connect to side panels and entire roof. No vertical sail panels off side panels. No side dams. 1/2 in wicker can be added to center section spoiler. 1/4 wicker around the bottom edge of bodies max. Max. of 6 in. from center of rear axle to rear of body. Side windows cannot be cut out. No drilling of body panels to let air in. Front bumper allowed 4 1/4 wide 2 in. out from front of chassis and must be level. No metal bumpers. Front spoiler allowed, 4 x 2 1/2 plus 1/4 in wicker at top. If building own body, 0.30 or thicker Lexan must be used. Front of body cannot extend out over the front tires



Race directors will have ultimate authority over rules enforcement. The primary basis for any rules decision must be based on what will be best for the majority of racers. If an item is not addressed in the rules listed here than you should assume it is not legal.


Just wanted to confirm.....I take it this is NOT a class targeted at the novice / new racer? I see a number of what seems to be more experienced racers expressing interest and bulding cars.

[ed gaines]

Theres no skill level under DODC rules,Accept for controlled Slider Class.

[sps3172]

Theres no skill level under DODC rules,Accept for controlled Slider Class.

This isn't a DODC class....the Maryville crew created this one. I'm just trying to determine the intent.

[JasonAB25]

This isn't a DODC class....the Maryville crew created this one. I'm just trying to determine the intent.

I would say that is probably a pretty good assumption. The 7.5 will get up and go, but i haven't seen these run yet.

[JasonAB25]

Would this be legal?

http://www.dirtoval.com/forums/album.php?albumid=45&pictureid=148

Right now, i'm at 15.5" and can trim on the back with no problem to get to 14.5" total. It measures from rear wheel center to rear edge is 6.5". I know i'd have to put a syracuse center in and mount it on a buggy, but other than that, would it work for the class? Thanks

Jason

[ed gaines]

This isn't a DODC class....the Maryville crew created this one. I'm just trying to determine the intent.

the intent is to race them and have fun:thumbsup:

[sps3172]

the intent is to race them and have fun:thumbsup:

Thanks, Ed. Does anyone from Maryville (you know...the folks that wrote the rules) want to take a stab at this or is Ed your official spokesperson? :)

[notSoMiniT23]

im not a spokesperson so to speak, but the class was created because its a, low cost, fun, fast, and did i mention fun class to race?

[CShearburn]

im not a spokesperson so to speak, but the class was created because its a, low cost, fun, fast, and did i mention fun class to race?


I got the feeling the MDM class was primarily aimed at the off-road guys who already have the buggy cars so they could easily convert a car to oval without spending a bunch of money. I don't see how veteran or new guy has anything to do with it.

[rccars4scott]

Just wanted to confirm.....I take it this is NOT a class targeted at the novice / new racer? I see a number of what seems to be more experienced racers expressing interest and bulding cars.

Steve,

I will take a shot at answering your question. This class is not geared toward new racers specifically. This is a second class for many of the current sprint car drivers and an opportunity for guys that have a buggy laying around (i.e. offroad racers) to buy a $30 body and be able to come out and run what everyone else on the track is running. They may or may not find dirt oval racing to their liking, but it allows them to test the waters before investing in a dedicated dirt oval set up.

To accomodate the new racers, Maryville has a two wheel open oval class. In short the rules are that your car has to be 1/10th scale, be two wheel drive and your batteries cannot exceed 7.4V (no 3 cell lipo or 7 cell nimh). Also, Maryville will be running the Losi mini late models using the rules that Allen's has been running all winter. This class is also friendly for new racers.

I hope this helps.

Scott

[smr153]

car looks good matt. i need to get something done to the sprint car soon but i dont really know what to do with it but im sure joe will hook me up with something sweet to start the season off right.

[rccars4scott]

Hey MDM guys, my wife is a graphic designer and has started doing r/c car graphics. She can do anything from a complete graphics package like on my MDM to custom decals, numbers, etc. All are printed on laminated 3M vinyl and plotted. Check out our sprint car side panels $15/pair (better pics to follow).

[notSoMiniT23]

scott, can she only do exterior vinyl?

and, how about chrome shiny numbers? and camo? hah.

[rccars4scott]

Kenny,

Right at the moment, only exterior graphics, but the vinyl is laminated with a clear layer so it should be very durable.

Scott

[MiniT21]

Would this be legal?

http://www.dirtoval.com/forums/album.php?albumid=45&pictureid=148

Right now, i'm at 15.5" and can trim on the back with no problem to get to 14.5" total. It measures from rear wheel center to rear edge is 6.5". I know i'd have to put a syracuse center in and mount it on a buggy, but other than that, would it work for the class? Thanks

Jason


Jason, i'm gonna say as long as you trim it to the 14.5" total you'd be good. Its got the IMCA look that we are trying to get. Put the syracuse center section and your rockin :thumbsup:

[JasonAB25]

Jason, i'm gonna say as long as you trim it to the 14.5" total you'd be good. Its got the IMCA look that we are trying to get. Put the syracuse center section and your rockin :thumbsup:

That makes me feel better. Working on finding a buggy now. I don't think you guys are going to allow my X-Factory X6.

[MiniT21]

those were my intial thoughts too, and they were shot down pretty quickly. I'm thinking the b4 is gonna be the best bet for the class, but i have a Kyosho Rb5 to try as well.

[JasonAB25]

You should see one run on the oval, awesome car to drive, puts a smile on my face everytime:), got one now just thinking about it

[ed gaines]

The X-Factory X6 is legal to run in ROAR Nationals Off Road.

[MiniT21]

From looking at the xfactory website you can't buy a complete x-6 kit, only a conversion kit. And as the rule states only upgrades from the given manufacture. (associated upgrades for associated, losi for losi, etc.) that would rule out the x-6.

[low81ryder]

We created this class after a few guys were runnin them in 2wd open last year. They had buggy chassis and EDM bodies. Were not Eastern we are Midwest, thats how we came up with MDM. So we decided to make a class for them. We wanted to keep it simple and economical. Came up with some body styles. Wanted to keep aero packages about the same for all of them. Didnt want to spend 3 to 400$ for a chassis so we made it a stock buggy chassis. Chose a center section that is very easy to mount on a buggy. Made motor rules according to what majority of the guys were runnin in them. You can be a novice or a pro. Like Billy B. said, gimme some rules and lets race (wish we had more racers like him) LOL. So we had a few meetings and got some rules. There very simple. Now lets race. Any questions just gimme a buzz. 618-259-5658 or 618-779-5208. Thanks .......Steve (mouse):revs::greenflag:

[JasonAB25]

Sounds good Steve. Sold some stuff today and picked up a B4 tonight so I should be good to go. Is my body after the mods going to be legal:)?

[low81ryder]

Sounds good Steve. Sold some stuff today and picked up a B4 tonight so I should be good to go. Is my body after the mods going to be legal:)? Yes Jason, as long as it fits all the measurements, body length, roof area, etc. You can buy the syracuse center section by itself. Just call McAllister. It mounts to the B4 easy. Just cut a piece of lexan 5 in. long and 1 3/4 wide bend it at a 90 in the middle. Remove rear shocks. Clamp it to the tower give urself about an 1/18th in of clearence between the tower and the lexan. Drill the 3 holes. Mount shocks back on. The front of center piece goes right in between the front shock tower. I have mounts made up. Ill try and get some pics of them on here. Any ? buzz me.....Steve (mouse)

[JasonAB25]

Mouse, I already spoke with Gary on the center sections. I had one once and it had a funny bend in the back, does it have to stay that way, or can i cut it at the wheel wells and bend it up like the traditional "other DM's" are setup? Just curious before i get too carried away here. Being unemployed has given me far too much time to think about this stuff:)

[low81ryder]

Mouse, I already spoke with Gary on the center sections. I had one once and it had a funny bend in the back, does it have to stay that way, or can i cut it at the wheel wells and bend it up like the traditional "other DM's" are setup? Just curious before i get too carried away here. Being unemployed has given me far too much time to think about this stuff:) It has to stay the way it is formed.

[JasonAB25]

It has to stay the way it is formed.

Sounds good. At least i've got an idea now. Thanks for the update, better hit the hay:)

[tittytat]

I hope you guys won't mind the antique I picked up recently. It is a jrx2 with the good ole hydra drive on er. Have ran a couple packs and seems to be pretty good as of now. I hope this 30 year old car will hang, as at this time she's all I can afford. FREE. lol

[low81ryder]

I hope you guys won't mind the antique I picked up recently. It is a jrx2 with the good ole hydra drive on er. Have ran a couple packs and seems to be pretty good as of now. I hope this 30 year old car will hang, as at this time she's all I can afford. FREE. lol
We got plenty of tape and baling wire tittytat:D

[sps3172]

Steve,

I will take a shot at answering your question. This class is not geared toward new racers specifically. This is a second class for many of the current sprint car drivers and an opportunity for guys that have a buggy laying around (i.e. offroad racers) to buy a $30 body and be able to come out and run what everyone else on the track is running. They may or may not find dirt oval racing to their liking, but it allows them to test the waters before investing in a dedicated dirt oval set up.

To accomodate the new racers, Maryville has a two wheel open oval class. In short the rules are that your car has to be 1/10th scale, be two wheel drive and your batteries cannot exceed 7.4V (no 3 cell lipo or 7 cell nimh). Also, Maryville will be running the Losi mini late models using the rules that Allen's has been running all winter. This class is also friendly for new racers.

I hope this helps.

Scott

Thanks Scott....that's all we needed. I guess Smac already let the cat out of the bag announcing classes over on our forum tonight, but we wanted to offer this class as well and I didn't know if it should be listed as a novice class or not. Somehow, you'd think that the 7.5 motor would have clued me in but....well....I never claimed to be smart and the last electric I raced....we were busy drilling holes in brushes and such.

For reasons concerning track maintainence, the one (and only) change Smac made to the rules for the class at our track was to not allow 'spike' tires (this is the case for all classes). A buggy tire, with the spikes worn virtually off, seems to be a hot set up on that particular dirt for offroad and they seem to last forever. Standard ribbed buggy front tires (or slicks) seem to be popular and again, as they wear, I've been told they get a little better. Now that I think about it, it might be a great way to 'recycle' your outdoor tires. He will NOT allow foam tires in this class. We're trying to keep as closely to the spirit of your rules as possible while making the tire package compatible with his track surface.

A lot of Smac's racers have piles of these slick buggy tires already so it's no sweat to them. If any of the outdoor crowd wants to come try, someone can help them 'ruin' a set of tires in a few minutes, I'm told. I think a some of you guys already run offroad so you know the drill.

I'm anxious to see these things run. I think they look really cool!!!

[low81ryder]

Thanks Scott....that's all we needed. I guess Smac already let the cat out of the bag announcing classes over on our forum tonight, but we wanted to offer this class as well and I didn't know if it should be listed as a novice class or not. Somehow, you'd think that the 7.5 motor would have clued me in but....well....I never claimed to be smart and the last electric I raced....we were busy drilling holes in brushes and such.

For reasons concerning track maintainence, the one (and only) change Smac made to the rules for the class at our track was to not allow 'spike' tires (this is the case for all classes). A buggy tire, with the spikes worn virtually off, seems to be a hot set up on that particular dirt for offroad and they seem to last forever. Standard ribbed buggy front tires (or slicks) seem to be popular and again, as they wear, I've been told they get a little better. Now that I think about it, it might be a great way to 'recycle' your outdoor tires. He will NOT allow foam tires in this class. We're trying to keep as closely to the spirit of your rules as possible while making the tire package compatible with his track surface.

A lot of Smac's racers have piles of these slick buggy tires already so it's no sweat to them. If any of the outdoor crowd wants to come try, someone can help them 'ruin' a set of tires in a few minutes, I'm told. I think a some of you guys already run offroad so you know the drill.

I'm anxious to see these things run. I think they look really cool!!! Steve, glad to see you guys offering this. Im sure we will all have fun with them. Cya....Steve (mouse)

[gary mcallister]

Thanks so much for choosing our Syracuse body for the Maryville Modifieds. They look awesome. The roof and side panel designs are great. The whole package of rules are just the type of thing the whole industry needs. Great job for creating such a cool class of racing. All your racers are very lucky...looks like it's going to be a ton of fun!

Gary McAllister

[tittytat]

No tape please Mouse only bubble gum. Thanx for going this route as I have ran a class similar here for going on 7 years now. We started with the imca style mods and switched over about 3 years to the edm. Like I said we are on the cw street tracs, and I hope that won't be a prob as everyone here is on them. Hope to get a body done soon as I am busy with full size cars at this time. Will post some pics when done and see you all this summer, and or soon. TT.

[Eugene Ryder]

MOTORS : MAMBA MAX 5700 system, MAMBA SIDEWINDER 5700 system, Dynamite C4 motor ( It is a Mamba 5700 )or smaller MAMBA systems and Novak 7.5 Velociti system or smaller.(This is a starting point to see what compares with what. May change)




Smaller? Does that mean I can run my 448 Tekin or my 8.5 Tekin? Nope....Just talk to Mouse and it is ONLY Novak and Mamba systems. Just trying to clear this up for anyone else wanting to jump in this class. The rules don't say Novak and Mamba ONLY, it just says 5700 CC or Novak 7.5 OR SMALLER.

Keeping it cheap.......if you have anything other than Novak or CC you are gonna have to drop another $85 for a new motor. I guess that is my fault. I should have called and asked if I could run my 10.5 Tekin in this class BEFORE I bought a FT B4. Thought this class was put together so you could run the stuff you already had, ie making it a cheaper 2nd class.

Have fun with that guys........I think off-road racing is best........you can run any motor and battery there. I guess I have a car already for the nearest off-road track.......B4 with my OUTLAWED Tekin in it.

Later

New update.....For Sale in classifieds area.

[overlandovalracer]

Smaller? Does that mean I can run my 448 Tekin or my 8.5 Tekin? Nope....Just talk to Mouse and it is ONLY Novak and Mamba systems. Just trying to clear this up for anyone else wanting to jump in this class. The rules don't say Novak and Mamba ONLY, it just says 5700 CC or Novak 7.5 OR SMALLER.

Keeping it cheap.......if you have anything other than Novak or CC you are gonna have to drop another $85 for a new motor. I guess that is my fault. I should have called and asked if I could run my 10.5 Tekin in this class BEFORE I bought a FT B4. Thought this class was put together so you could run the stuff you already had, ie making it a cheaper 2nd class.

Have fun with that guys........I think off-road racing is best........you can run any motor and battery there. I guess I have a car already for the nearest off-road track.......B4 with my OUTLAWED Tekin in it.

Later

New update.....For Sale in classifieds area.

In an effort to keep this thread positve, the only REAL response to Mr. Ryder would be as follows;

The idea/spirit of the class is for sprint guys that have upgraded their sprint cars, maybe even to a Tekin System, that potentially have been racing offroad this past winter, or have a 2wd buggy "hanging around" as a second class. Of course the class is open to all others whose cars meet the rules as they have been decided by a majority at the rules meetings for Maryville.

I certainly appreciate the idea of running whatever motor/speedo combo, body, tire, etc., for that type of racing we offer the open class, or run the sprint class that you've had a great deal of success with. At the time of creating the class, the rules put in place seemed to be the best compromise to accomodate most racers while still regulating the class. Genuinely sorry if that jams you up a bit, but looking forward to racing Sprints with you again this year.

Sincerely,
Jim Aumann
...not an official spokesperson for
Marryville Raceway, but I play one on TV!!!

[notSoMiniT23]

Jim Aumann for president.

On another note, Finally got mine mounted last night, and goes to the paint shop on friday :thumbsup: gonna get another 8up paint job...

[whtpny4]

i second the nomination, Jim's the man! i got my bodies mounted last nite also, time to paint & get them stickered. thanx for the plug Kenny!:thumbsup:

[overlandovalracer]

Kenny, Are you gonna get a centerfold from your favorite mag,( Hustler, Penthouse, Juggs, etc ) & Faskoat it to the deck of your MDM???

Inquiring minds want to know.....

[notSoMiniT23]

Kenny, Are you gonna get a centerfold from your favorite mag,( Hustler, Penthouse, Juggs, etc ) & Faskoat it to the deck of your MDM???

Inquiring minds want to know.....

whos the "minds", and do they have any tasteful pictures?? i was kind of fond of the god of war sprint hood. thought about going that route, but towards a different character. Any ideas?

[low81ryder]

Kenny, Are you gonna get a centerfold from your favorite mag,( Hustler, Penthouse, Juggs, etc ) & Faskoat it to the deck of your MDM???

Inquiring minds want to know.....Well if he does do that we know where he will be ON THE POLE lol:D

[notSoMiniT23]

i second the nomination, Jim's the man! i got my bodies mounted last nite also, time to paint & get them stickered. thanx for the plug Kenny!:thumbsup:

hey anytime pat, i plan on posting pictures on here of the sprint once i got the tail tank and front wing back from ya. also, i can give out a number for you if anyone asks?

[Eugene Ryder]

In an effort to keep this thread positve, the only REAL response to Mr. Aumann would be as follows;

I certainly appreciate the idea of running whatever motor/speedo combo, body, tire, etc., for that type of racing we offer the open class, or run the sprint class that you've had a great deal of success with.

Genuinely sorry if that jams you up a bit, but looking forward to racing Sprints with you again this year.

Sincerely,
Jim Aumann
...not an official spokesperson for
Marryville Raceway, but I play one on TV!!!

On a positive note Jim, you ARE absolutely the most sarcastic person on DODC. I don't understand the theory of turning away anyone with a 10.5 or say a 8.5 or how any other motor SMALLER than the 5700 Mamba. To me, it seems retarded.....if someone wants to run a 17.5 in a 13.5 class......let em. If ya'll haven't figured out the a 5700 Mamba motor will smoke a 7.5 Novak, then you can race in your Little "click".

Ya, it sure Jams me up a little.......I doubt you race any with me in the sprint class.......I don't plan on making many trips down south just to run "practice laps" like last year. I have MIP cvd's......not Novak ones anyway. Who wants to travel somewhere 1.5 hours away JUST to run one class? I figured I would build a MDM (cost me $350) and I am told I can't run any of my shi* in that class.....Screw it. Sold! Thanks for your concern.....have fun in your "click" class.

Eugene Ryder

P.S. If you didn't want this question to come up.....all you had to do was put, "only the Mamba 5700 and/or the Novak 7.5 brand motors (only) will be legal. I guess it's ok to run a Novak 10.5 if I had one right? That is what Mouse told me today. Novak 7.5 or smaller Novak.......or 4600 Mamba.......????very confused on this one????

DUMB! and that is Positive!

[overlandovalracer]

On a positive note Jim, you ARE absolutely the most sarcastic person on DODC. I don't understand the theory of turning away anyone with a 10.5 or say a 8.5 or how any other motor SMALLER than the 5700 Mamba. To me, it seems retarded.....if someone wants to run a 17.5 in a 13.5 class......let em. If ya'll haven't figured out the a 5700 Mamba motor will smoke a 7.5 Novak, then you can race in your Little "click".

Ya, it sure Jams me up a little.......I doubt you race any with me in the sprint class.......I don't plan on making many trips down south just to run "practice laps" like last year. I have MIP cvd's......not Novak ones anyway. Who wants to travel somewhere 1.5 hours away JUST to run one class? I figured I would build a MDM (cost me $350) and I am told I can't run any of my shi* in that class.....Screw it. Sold! Thanks for your concern.....have fun in your "click" class.

Eugene Ryder

P.S. If you didn't want this question to come up.....all you had to do was put, "only the Mamba 5700 and/or the Novak 7.5 brand motors (only) will be legal. I guess it's ok to run a Novak 10.5 if I had one right? That is what Mouse told me today. Novak 7.5 or smaller Novak.......or 4600 Mamba.......????very confused on this one????

DUMB! and that is Positive!

Wow Eugene, I'm real sorry you feel that way. It seems you were on the right track asking Mouse since him & Cliff created this particular class. I DO sincerely apologize if Mouse didn't explain the rules to your satisfaction. It was my understanding, (since I attended the meetings), that a guy COULD RUN 10.5 or 13.5 against the 7.5 Novak/5700 Mamba systems. As far as the sarcasm comment, I didn't see anything I posted to deserve that, so if you got something else on your mind, you can P.M. me. Every comment I made was in genuine concern about growing this class in addition to the other classes we all enjoy racing. From this point forward, all questions/comments regarding the MDM rules should be directed to Mouse. To any other people I may have offended by my posts, please excuse me & I'll do my best to make more well thought out & appropriate posts.

Jim Aumann

[notSoMiniT23]

eh-i think the 7.5 will hang with the 5700. just drive it like ya stole it :tire:and if it doesnt, gear it to the moon:revs:

[voodoo427]

ive yet to see a 7.5 hang with a 5700 on lipo. thats like racing a gokart against a stock car. gear it to the moon and destroy it just to try and keep up.

[whtpny4]

hey anytime pat, i plan on posting pictures on here of the sprint once i got the tail tank and front wing back from ya. also, i can give out a number for you if anyone asks?


ya, kenny its cool if you give my # to someone

[Keith wayne]

call me when you get a chance..........

[notSoMiniT23]

well i do believe the first post refers to a starting point for these two motors. im sure if we find the 5700's are more powerful than the 7.5 it will be changed somehow.

for maryville, i think a 6.5 is too big for this class, i ran it and couldnt keep the front end down...had to turn the power down via the radio...and still ran as fast as the sprints in the A mains every week. i think a 7.5 in this car, will run just as fast, and not pop wheelies coming out of every corner. There were numerous people that can vouch for my car last season with the 6.5, 25c lipo, and gtb. Ridiculous fast. (pictured below)

And just putting it out there, im trying a 8.5 first. I get spanked? Then i'll motor up! It's what they're there for!

one last thing.......

What happened to the 30c battery limit also? was that changed since the first meeting? i know i wasnt able to attend the 2nd one.

[MiniT21]

I think a 7.5 will be just fine against the 5700's. You gotta realize that this isn't a drag race with two turns in the middle, and that a handling car will still rein supreme. I ran an 8.5 in my sprint car last year every where i went, and was very competitive pretty much everywhere. Also this isn't just our little "clique" that will be racing, i think mouse has sold over 20 bodies, and not just to the Maryville guys. And lost but not least, and i quote:

MOTORS : MAMBA MAX 5700 system, MAMBA SIDEWINDER 5700 system, Dynamite C4 motor ( It is a Mamba 5700 )or smaller MAMBA systems and Novak 7.5 Velociti system or smaller.(This is a starting point to see what compares with what. May change)

[tittytat]

I will be running a motor on the low end of the spectrum with a 10.5. I don't really see the advantage in having a motor you can't put to the ground. I have a 8.5 if that isn't enough but, for the series races I have no doubt it will be close. I have run this 10.5 in my Klein sc and have been faster than 5.5s in a cw sc. These buggies have a ton of traction and if the car won't turn it doesn't matter how much motor you have! As far as I am cocerned right now, there is a give and take with small vs. big motor. A small motor you can run pretty much all out vs. letting out to make the corner with the big. But this is all of no importance, as we are doing this to have fun! We will all show up with our stuff and at the end of the night we will have had a great time. I for one can't wait to hear the war stories when it is said and done. Later TT.:beer::thumbsup::beer: P.S. I will not be runiing here at QCRR on Sats. except a couple and will try to make the trip to your track!

[overlandovalracer]

I will be running a motor on the low end of the spectrum with a 10.5. I don't really see the advantage in having a motor you can't put to the ground. I have a 8.5 if that isn't enough but, for the series races I have no doubt it will be close. I have run this 10.5 in my Klein sc and have been faster than 5.5s in a cw sc. These buggies have a ton of traction and if the car won't turn it doesn't matter how much motor you have! As far as I am cocerned right now, there is a give and take with small vs. big motor. A small motor you can run pretty much all out vs. letting out to make the corner with the big. But this is all of no importance, as we are doing this to have fun! We will all show up with our stuff and at the end of the night we will have had a great time. I for one can't wait to hear the war stories when it is said and done. Later TT.:beer::thumbsup::beer:

Tittytat has got it figured out.:beer::thumbsup::beer:
By the way, the bodies your doing look killer!

[low81ryder]

I think a 7.5 will be just fine against the 5700's. You gotta realize that this isn't a drag race with two turns in the middle, and that a handling car will still rein supreme. I ran an 8.5 in my sprint car last year every where i went, and was very competitive pretty much everywhere. Also this isn't just our little "clique" that will be racing, i think mouse has sold over 20 bodies, and not just to the Maryville guys. And lost but not least, and i quote:

MOTORS : MAMBA MAX 5700 system, MAMBA SIDEWINDER 5700 system, Dynamite C4 motor ( It is a Mamba 5700 )or smaller MAMBA systems and Novak 7.5 Velociti system or smaller.(This is a starting point to see what compares with what. May change)
MOTORS :ONLY MAMBA MAX 5700 system, MAMBA SIDEWINDER 5700 system, Dynamite C4 motor ( It is a Mamba 5700 )or smaller MAMBA systems and ONLY Novak 7.5 Velociti system or smaller.(This is a starting point to see what compares with what. May change)

OK clearer now....Mouse

[low81ryder]

Tittytat has got it figured out.:beer::thumbsup::beer:
By the way, the bodies your doing look killer!
Tim, hurry up and get some drawings of the bodies your talking about makin. These guys are workin me to death LOL. Cya.....Mouse:revs::greenflag::beer::beer::beer::b eer::beer::beer:

[tittytat]

Thank ya Jim on the kind words for the bodies. This is the greatest hobby outside of racing "full scale" cars. I hope your buggy class does as good as mine here.I have spoke with a bunch of my guys and they are pumped to do this at the series races!!!!!!!! O.K. Mouse I will try and get something done soon, as I have seen alot of the full scale stuff and can not wait to put something together.

[overlandovalracer]

Tim, hurry up and get some drawings of the bodies your talking about makin. These guys are workin me to death LOL. Cya.....Mouse:revs::greenflag::beer::beer::beer::b eer::beer::beer:



Speaking of work Mouse...how many more 7" wings you got done? :ha::ha::p

Jim

[Eugene Ryder]

MOTORS :ONLY MAMBA MAX 5700 system, MAMBA SIDEWINDER 5700 system, Dynamite C4 motor ( It is a Mamba 5700 )or smaller MAMBA systems and ONLY Novak 7.5 Velociti system or smaller.(This is a starting point to see what compares with what. May change)


OK clearer now....Mouse



Was that so hard? Let me know if it changes.......

[Eugene Ryder]

I think a 7.5 will be just fine against the 5700's. You gotta realize that this isn't a drag race with two turns in the middle, and that a handling car will still rein supreme. I ran an 8.5 in my sprint car last year every where i went, and was very competitive pretty much everywhere. Also this isn't just our little "clique" that will be racing, i think mouse has sold over 20 bodies, and not just to the Maryville guys. And lost but not least, and i quote:

MOTORS : MAMBA MAX 5700 system, MAMBA SIDEWINDER 5700 system, Dynamite C4 motor ( It is a Mamba 5700 )or smaller MAMBA systems and Novak 7.5 Velociti system or smaller.(This is a starting point to see what compares with what. May change)

You might be missing the point here. I asked if I could run my TEKIN 8.5 or 10.5. And I was told NO. Go out and spend some more money, you can't run what you have. And I never ran anything bigger than a 7.5 in my sprint last year either. Point is, why not let someone/anyone run something they already have, as long as it's smaller than a Novak 7.5?

Anyone need a B4? I happen to have one for sale.

[Eugene Ryder]

..........

[notSoMiniT23]

because its the rules.
but, havoc systems are around 145 new.

[low81ryder]

Speaking of work Mouse...how many more 7" wings you got done? :ha::ha::p

JimDont tell me you need a wing Ken. LOL No dont have any right now but can whip one up....Cya......Mouse:tire::greenflag:

[BigT]

because its the rules.
but, havoc systems are around 145 new.



why spend more money when you don't have too?

[notSoMiniT23]

why spend more money when you don't have too?

if ya dont have to then dont lol. but that is just out there for anyone who doesnt have a novak or cc system and wanna run this class. im good, ive got all my stuff ready to rock, sort of.

[Keith wayne]

what is the wheelbase of a B4 axle 2 axle ?

[notSoMiniT23]

a stock b4 buggy with b4 wheels :D

[ed gaines]

what is the wheelbase of a B4 axle 2 axle ?

With a worn b4 mine,with 3 degrees toe in its measures 10-7/8"

[sps3172]

With a worn b4 mine,with 3 degrees toe in its measures 10-7/8"

Are you sure it's not 9 7/8" ?? ROAR max legal width is 250mm (just under 10").

[ed gaines]

Are you sure it's not 9 7/8" ?? ROAR max legal width is 250mm (just under 10").

Are you sure you understand what your reading wheelBASE, Not width :D:D

[sps3172]

Are you sure you understand what your reading wheelBASE, Not width :D:D

Wow....and it wasn't even that early in the morning.....you're right, I 'thought' I read 'width'.

At least one of us was paying attention :ha:

[Latemodelracer]

Jeez ed,

Lets pray that Ken doesnt come race oval to or else were all screwed.
Creepy

[sps3172]

Sorry Keith its not. Gotta to be the Syracuse Style and the sail panels cant be straight up and down must connect to the roof. Cya.....Mouse any questions gimme a buzz. 618-259-5658 cell is 618-779-5208

Mouse,

Do you mind if I post your contact info over a our forum for the body parts? I'm not sure some of the offroad guys would know to find it over here.

[low81ryder]

:greenflag:Mouse,

Do you mind if I post your contact info over a our forum for the body parts? I'm not sure some of the offroad guys would know to find it over here.
Sure no problem budd. Cya....Steve (mouse):revs:

[notSoMiniT23]

racing starts in 4 weeks and a few days. man, that sounds awesome.

[Keith wayne]

on the tone:greenflag::thumbsup:

[notSoMiniT23]

on the tone:greenflag::thumbsup:

post some pics of that mdm over in the gallery there keith.

nevermind, i spoke to soon...just looked.. looks good.

[JasonAB25]

Is the new Novak Ballistic series motor going to be legal?

[low81ryder]

Is the new Novak Ballistic series motor going to be legal?
No. It says velositi systems....Mouse

[JasonAB25]

No. It says velositi systems....Mouse

Oooops, didn't see the velositi part:) Guess i'll go ahead and get one of those then

[overlandovalracer]

No. It says velositi systems....Mouse

Hey Mouse, you knew I'd spell check ya...velositi??? how about velocity!!!
:ha::ha::ha:

Just yanking your chain a little buddy :D

[chadlow75]

I need to get some threaded shock bodies for my B4, anyone know what size comes stock on the front and back?

[JasonAB25]

I need to get some threaded shock bodies for my B4, anyone know what size comes stock on the front and back?

There is a lot of four of them on ebay right now, just the shock bodies, would be perfect for what you're needing.

[notSoMiniT23]

I need to get some threaded shock bodies for my B4, anyone know what size comes stock on the front and back?


There's some for sale in the FS thread.

[Fineousfingers]

Would a Matt Francis XXXT work with this setup, or does it have to be a buggy chassis?

[low81ryder]

Would a Matt Francis XXXT work with this setup, or does it have to be a buggy chassis?
Has to be a buggy Jim.... Cya mouse

[rcdrtrcr]

There is a couple of very clean and nice B4 factory team buggies for sale at smac if anyone is still looking for one.

[Fineousfingers]

Thanks for the call Mouse. Thought I could slap one together with "laying around parts". LOL I've got enough to keep me going in circles tho'

Jimmy :checkeredflag:

[paco62]

Anybody have tips on how to mount the inner part of the body to a Losi XXX? Do I need to buy body posts and attach to the shock tower or wings piece? This is my first try at an MDM body and I am a little lost. Thanks.

[rcdrtrcr]

Keith Wayne would probably be able to help you out. He mounted his on a losi. His is the blue and white smokehouse car with the red scoop. -Jeremy

[notSoMiniT23]

Anybody have tips on how to mount the inner part of the body to a Losi XXX? Do I need to buy body posts and attach to the shock tower or wings piece? This is my first try at an MDM body and I am a little lost. Thanks.

mouse (lowryder) could hook you up with the body you need, and body mounts come with it.

[paco62]

Thanks everyone. I ordered my body before I became familiar with Mouse or would've just bought through him. I have some TC3 body mounts and I am going to grind the post down a bit to fit the Losi shock tower. If I break it (:rolleyes:) then I will zip tie them at the base and use a hex to secure.

...or I will throw in the trash and contact Mouse. ;)

[sps3172]

Removed...duplicate post below....

[sps3172]

Front of body cannot extend out over the front tires

Mouse (although I think I'm going to start calling you THE THUMB!!),

I need a quick rules interpretation....

The above is from the posted MDM rules package. Does this mean that the side of the body cannont extend forward 'past' the front of the front wheels or that it may not extend forward such that they break a plane formed by the rear of the front tires?

The standard EDM body rules allow the sides to extend as far forward as the center of the front axle and I wasn't sure if this was the 'look' you were after with this measurement or if you wanted to keep them somewhat rearward of that.

Thanks...

- SS

[JasonAB25]

"that it may not extend forward such that they break a plane formed by the rear of the front tires?"

I'm fairly certain this would be the correct interpretation from what i have seen and understood myself.

[low81ryder]

Mouse (although I think I'm going to start calling you THE THUMB!!),

I need a quick rules interpretation....

The above is from the posted MDM rules package. Does this mean that the side of the body cannont extend forward 'past' the front of the front wheels or that it may not extend forward such that they break a plane formed by the rear of the front tires?

The standard EDM body rules allow the sides to extend as far forward as the center of the front axle and I wasn't sure if this was the 'look' you were after with this measurement or if you wanted to keep them somewhat rearward of that.

Thanks...

- SSThey cannot extend past the rear of the front tire. They have to have a straight line top to bottom. No wheel cut out.. Cya...... Mouse (the thumb) :thumbsup: lol

[ThisDougsForU]

I'll be joining the party soon. After driving Jeremy's car last week here and racing Lindell's @ Smac last night, I'm building one. Selling a couple cars then I'm buying Mike's FT B4 and unpainted MDM body.

[rcdrtrcr]

In this class can I use a motor heat sink cooler on the novak motor or is it illeagle?? Motor is getting warm. Just curious. Let me know.

[overlandovalracer]

I don't see why it would be illeagal. A guy with a mamba system can just as easily use a clip on style heatsink or wire in a fan. I guess the "official" ruling would have to come from the official "Mouse" :D

[rcdrtrcr]

thanks. Last week my yellow wire fell off and was laying on the orange wire:confused::confused: and was very hot. Now it gets hot really quick and I am trying to make do untill I can get another 7.5.

[low81ryder]

No problem with adding fans or heat sinks to cool esc or motor. Cya......Mouse