"Local Interest" Class Participation Poll

[sps3172]

Please use this poll to indicate your interest in the 'Local Interest' classes to be run at Smac Trac. Full rules for these classes are still 'To Be Determined' and will be posted when a final descision has been made.

***NOTE*** These classes are NOT yet part of the official schedule.

There’s been a lot of scattered info in terms of what classes will be run and who plans to compete in each. I thought a poll like this would be an organized way to record interest in a given class and perhaps provide some guidance for those planning on purchasing equipment.

[Terry (shots) McDonald]

I have an interest in the 18th scale wedge body car, but intend to race my "antique" direct drive Custom Works sprint car for sure. East Cost dirt modified also sounds interesting.

MacDaddy

[sps3172]

I have an interest in the 18th scale wedge body car, but intend to race my "antique" direct drive Custom Works sprint car for sure. East Cost dirt modified also sounds interesting.

MacDaddy

So vote for the 1/18th Losi spec class (under the special interest section), then. That's going to be some cheap fun.

[notSoMiniT23]

how about open mini late models? how about any 2 wd classes? sprints???

i dont plan on running any 4wd classes as of yet but will do 1/18..... i just dont wanna do stock..

anybody with me?

[MiniT21]

I'm down for some 4wd TC late models, mod edm and sprint if buggy tires wind up being the tire of choice.

[A_True_Outlaw]

Well count me in on the mini lm!!:thumbsup:

[MiniT21]

The rules we are running at allen's are an awesome set of rules. Allows small durability changes, and even brushless (which is slightly slower than a good stock motor) to keep from replacing stock motors. You can check them out here....

http://www.allensrccars.com/classes.php#18latemodel

[move_over]

how about open mini late models? how about any 2 wd classes? sprints???

i dont plan on running any 4wd classes as of yet but will do 1/18..... i just dont wanna do stock..

anybody with me?

+100 :thumbsup:

spec racing is for newbies and kiddies :D

[sps3172]

how about open mini late models? how about any 2 wd classes? sprints???

i dont plan on running any 4wd classes as of yet but will do 1/18..... i just dont wanna do stock..

anybody with me?

The rules we are running at allen's are an awesome set of rules. Allows small durability changes, and even brushless (which is slightly slower than a good stock motor) to keep from replacing stock motors. You can check them out here....

http://www.allensrccars.com/classes.php#18latemodel


Thanks for the info guys. We certainly appreciate the advice and input.

At this point, we're planning on making the "1/18th Losi Late Model" class a 'box stock' spec class. Of course, the included gearing may turn out to be less than optimal....we may allow adjustments to gearing depending on the final track size/layout.

There are already a number of classes for the more seasoned racer...we want to keep this class 'simple' for the brand new folks.

[618jeffc]

Thanks for the info guys. We certainly appreciate the advice and input.

At this point, we're planning on making the "1/18th Losi Late Model" class a 'box stock' spec class. Of course, the included gearing may turn out to be less than optimal....we may allow adjustments to gearing depending on the final track size/layout.

There are already a number of classes for the more seasoned racer...we want to keep this class 'simple' for the brand new folks.

What about brushless upgrades? We run the 4200kv motor at Allen's r/c raceway now with the box stock cars. The only difference is the brushless is about 1/10 of a second slower per lap but they are maintenance free.

[notSoMiniT23]

i understand keeping a stock 1/18 class for beginners but there are non-beginners who like the losi lm. its a fun class to race at allens, racing is ridiculously close. its a semi stock class and the brushless is slightyly slower than the stock motors.

maybe have a sportsman and pro class?

lol, a pro 1/18 losi lm class. just sounds funny.

[sps3172]

lol, a pro 1/18 losi lm class. just sounds funny.


So you see my point, eh? :):)

[notSoMiniT23]

So you see my point, eh? :):)

lol just because it sounds funny doesnt mean it cant be real

[low81ryder]

lol just because it sounds funny doesnt mean it cant be real The main point is car count. We get 20 to 30 cars every weekend with Allens rules. Alot of the guys are interested in running them down here but dont want to go back to brush motors. Cyas....Mouse

[sps3172]

spec racing is for newbies and kiddies :D

The main point is car count. We get 20 to 30 cars every weekend with Allens rules. Alot of the guys are interested in running them down here but dont want to go back to brush motors. Cyas....Mouse

We can appreciate that the 'modified mini latemodels' are a popular class at Alan's, etc. However, at this point, we want to keep this class just for the new racer. There are plenty (11 by my count) of other classes available to the experienced racer that wants to buy a brushless setup, or chassis upgrades.

To clarify, you don't 'have to' be a new racer to run the spec class, but the rules are targeted at the new folks to minimize any advantage that 'experience' may offer.

[MiniT21]

I see your point of view on it, but I can think of a handful of people that the only class they plan on running is the mini late model but if you don't allow them to run as we have been, i doubt they will come out. Most tracks are 3+ make a class right? You can always have the box stock class, but the let the more seasoned drivers run the cars the way they have been driving them.

my .02


to add to what i said above, Considering we all pretty much know the track is gonna wind up being a foam tire track. Most guys are gonna keep there sprinters/edm's/ etc. for the buggy tire tracks. (as that is whats popular around here, and what all the big races are) and not want to buy new cars to run foam tires. So running the mini late models as we have been running on the carpet, means they don't have to spend money on something else to go to a different track. And finally we all know for this to work Scott needs entries to keep the doors open, so turning away 10-15 mini late models a race day would not be a good thing, IMO.

[sps3172]

[quote=MiniT21;286944]So running the mini late models as we have been running on the carpet, means they don't have to spend money on something else to go to a different track. quote]


Didn't everyone's mini late model come WITH all the stock parts? Just put 'em back on. No money spent....problem solved.

We have elected to avoid the '3 make a class' rule.....we will have specific classes. Scott and I feel that one of the things that has hurt dirt oval racing (especially in the Midwest) is diluting the field with too many seperate classes. Would you rather race against 20 cars in one class or against 5 cars in 4 seperate classes (just made up numbers for example). This is the main reason for adopting the DODC rules package and trying to standardize with the rest of the world on classes and rules.

While we certainly want and welcome as many racers as possible, logic suggests that you can never make everyone happy. That being said, we understand and expect that some people may not come race on the indoor dirt oval due simply to personal preferance for another type of racing, etc. While we may lose a few racers in the short term, we feel that standardizing on smaller list of classes and a rules package common with the rest of the world will help attendance in the long term.

[ed gaines]

We have elected to avoid the '3 make a class' rule.....we will have specific classes. Scott and I feel that one of the things that has hurt dirt oval racing (especially in the Midwest) is diluting the field with too many seperate classes. Would you rather race against 20 cars in one class or against 5 cars in 4 seperate classes (just made up numbers for example). This is the main reason for adopting the DODC rules package and trying to standardize with the rest of the world on classes and rules.


What class did this hurt or classes?

[CShearburn]

We can appreciate that the 'modified mini latemodels' are a popular class at Alan's, etc. However, at this point, we want to keep this class just for the new racer. There are plenty (11 by my count) of other classes available to the experienced racer that wants to buy a brushless setup, or chassis upgrades.

To clarify, you don't 'have to' be a new racer to run the spec class, but the rules are targeted at the new folks to minimize any advantage that 'experience' may offer.


I don't think you quite understand what these guys are saying, or what was done at Allen's. The Mini LM class at Allen's started as a box stock class. Over time rules evolved to allow upgrades to improve durability, but still allow a box stock car to be competitive.

In a perfect world we would have a RTR car that can be pulled out of the box and raced competitive with no maintenance. Unfortunately, the Losi LM is not that car. The LM class at Allen's is far from a Modified class. The 4200 brushless doesn't run any faster than a good stock brushed motor, the difference is you don't have to constantly piss with the thing to keep it running. Nothing kills an affordable, competitive entry level class faster than a class that requires constant maintenance and replacing of parts. Trust me, before we allowed brushless it was about to happen at Allen's, and if we can't stop the front bulkhead problem it may still.

And for the record, there are at least two or three box stock cars (minus the brushless system) that have been able to win this season. All the aftermarket parts that were legalized didn't make them faster, just more reliable.

There have been roughly 60 different Mini Late Models at Allen's since we started tracking points, and a few more than that counting all winter. Very few, if any, are completely bone stock.

[MiniT21]

I couldn't figure out how to say it, but shearburn did. I think Scott would rather have the 10-15 entries from this class rules, than 0-5 entries of a box stock class. I can say now the 3 people i've talked to since i made my original post said they won't race if it goes to box stock.

Also if we have to run box stock i know quite a few guys that won't run the class, because lets be honest... these cars are junk out of the box, motors suck, shocks suck, trans sucks, and the stock batteries suck.. They are loose and hard to setup with the factory springs on them. Not to mention they wear out fast, and break front bulkheads. Another problem is, these motors hate heat, get a bad bearing anywhere, bind in the gearbox, and your gonna go through a motor before you realize there is a problem. Simply put, these cars are junk... but they will get you some close racing with the right upgrades, or enough time keeping up on the car.

[MiniT21]

also i hope the 4wd class sticks around, because those were gonna be the 2 classes i started with until mod edm's took off.

[Ben Giles]

I have already installed a bulkhead brace on my car and it is way easer than replacing parts all the time and cheaper. The problem with spec. racing is it always cost more to run and box stock is way out of the park. Tell them what motor to run and what chassis and what battery and let it go at that.

Ben Giles
Qusac10@aol.com

[whtpny4]

i agree with minit these things suck out of the box, if they have to be run box stock i won't run.

[MK Race]

Hey Matt, that was more than .02 worth.

So here's my .05 worth.

There are 10 classes list in the other poll and 3 classes in this poll. Talk about deluted.

Five classe:
Mod Buggy EDM-Maryville rules
Mod 4wd Latemodel- no restrictions
2wd 13.5 DODC Latemodel
1/18 Losi Latemodel-box stock beginner
1/18 Losi Latemodel- Advanced level-Allen's rules

Mod Sprints on the Sunday races.


I am going to race my sprint outside this summer.

I might put together a 13.5 DODC Latemodel for the Illinois Series and SMAC.

I will do a 4wd Latemodel if the rules are open for SMAC.

I do have a 1/18 Losi Latemodel for my son and I. SMAC or carpet.

Keep the change.

[ed gaines]

Hey MK remember the regionals,Joe Poole wanted to kill me after that race:D:D

[MK Race]

Hey Ed, it wasn't just Joe Poole. I liked it because my car was terrible on Saturday but good on Sunday.

[ed gaines]

An your welcome:D...What kind of car you going to run in 4wh? I say we run side dams.

[overlandovalracer]

Hey Matt, that was more than .02 worth.

So here's my .05 worth.

There are 10 classes list in the other poll and 3 classes in this poll. Talk about deluted.

Five classe:
Mod Buggy EDM-Maryville rules
Mod 4wd Latemodel- no restrictions
2wd 13.5 DODC Latemodel
1/18 Losi Latemodel-box stock beginner
1/18 Losi Latemodel- Advanced level-Allen's rules

Mod Sprints on the Sunday races.


I am going to race my sprint outside this summer.

I might put together a 13.5 DODC Latemodel for the Illinois Series and SMAC.

I will do a 4wd Latemodel if the rules are open for SMAC.

I do have a 1/18 Losi Latemodel for my son and I. SMAC or carpet.

Keep the change.

Well said Kelminator! That's my exact stand on the classes too! Hell, add up Matt's .02+your .05+ my.05= .12 cents worth!

[overlandovalracer]

Ed & MK, what do you guys think about OPEN comp as in BIG side dams+ spoilers+tunnelled(decked) bodies+ maybe all that & wedge bodies?!

[ed gaines]

Ed & MK, what do you guys think about OPEN comp as in BIG side dams+ spoilers+tunnelled(decked) bodies+ maybe all that & wedge bodies?!

Oh Yeah, Now thats how I remember 4wh.All I would like to see is that all four wheels or under the body,other then that let it be OPEN:)

[rccars4scott]

Unless you have an open mod Kyosho Sideways class, I'm out.

[overlandovalracer]

Unless you have an open mod Kyosho Sideways class, I'm out.


Don't you have some work to do on your front wheel drive sprint car or something?!:beer:

[sps3172]

Unless you have an open mod Kyosho Sideways class, I'm out.

Don't you have some work to do on your front wheel drive sprint car or something?!:beer:


Ya....he does. And unless he gets it done in time for Scott to add it as a class....

I'm out too! :):):)

[MiniT21]

Well maybe it was worth more than .02... my opinion rarely is though, so i figure .02 was a good starting point.

[Fastsprinter]

Make it box stock for new people and allow them to fix the steering problem, it can be a easy fix with super glue. I have done it and it works perfect! That should be the only rule. Next make a pro stock, allow upgrades but stock motor only. And Pro mod, any upgrade. I think this would work:trophy:

[sps3172]

We have elected to offer BOTH a 'Box Stock' Mini-Latemodel class as well as a class allowing mods.

For the sake of consistency, I plan on reaching out to Alan to see if he minds us 'stealing' his rules word for word.

I'll close these polls soon and post the final class listings. Thanks for all the input guys!!!

[paco62]

For what it's worth and just throwing it out there, I've read some threads on other sites about tracks running a Slash class on a Dirt Oval track. With the ability to run side by side, that could be a lot of fun.

[sps3172]

For what it's worth and just throwing it out there, I've read some threads on other sites about tracks running a Slash class on a Dirt Oval track. With the ability to run side by side, that could be a lot of fun.

Scott said NO to this right away. I believe the topic came up at the offroad races as soon as he mentioned the dirt oval track.

Thanks for the suggestion, though. Always appreciated.

[ed gaines]

Since this will be my first oval body in 20 years,What LM body fits the dom from the dodc rules.Is there any rule on the little side dams over the front wheel on LM bodies.Thanks

[overlandovalracer]

Ed, since DODC doesn't have any 4wd rules to regulate with, I would see this as a true "open" class that body rules for this class would be up to the race promoter/track owner. On your Dominator, I would look to get a width measurment on the C.W. open comp camaro body, (still available!) & compare with a FactoryWorks, Mcallister Vegas, or the new 1/10th scale C&M (my favorite). I haven't heard ANYONE say crap about side dam rules, so I'm for running them with "the great wall" if you need to.

Open comp should be OPEN, & no cryin' about being slower than the other guy :checkeredflag:

[ed gaines]

I like that response:D I do have a open comp camaro body that i start with an yes with a billboard on the side:)

[MK Race]

Hey Ed, I know where you can pickup a CW Rocket Wedge from somebody local.

[ed gaines]

Hey Ed, I know where you can pickup a CW Rocket Wedge from somebody local.

Well let me know:)

[overlandovalracer]

Maybe that "local" ought to put a car under that body & race it!!!


Hey Ed, I know where you can pickup a CW Rocket Wedge from somebody local.

[skullman]

Unless you have an open mod Kyosho Sideways class, I'm out.


LOL Less QQ more PewPew :)