2010 Chili Bowl Jr.

[hljudd]

Is it too early to start talking about next year?

[Joey Hornick]

Two day race......:)

[plipitkc]

Three including an early day of practice option.

[racerjmh]

There is no freaking way you could condense this show to a 2 day event. At least not without limiting entries or cutting classes. I think you could only run 2 days if you want and give up on the tq one lap qualifying option but if you are gonna have 4 qualifyiers and mains I can't see a way to cut the show. JMHO

Leave it alone and let it grow!

Jim Harden

[JW8]

Do most major Dirt Oval races give a racer 4 quals? Been some time since I ran NSCS type events and did not think we ran that many qualifiers and then mains. I know the typical NSCS event is ran in one day and will be different animal but did not know how events like the OW race are set/ran.


Jeff

[Hconcepts]

when is the chili bowl jr. 2010 ?? is there a date yet ??

[hljudd]

when is the chili bowl jr. 2010 ?? is there a date yet ??

It will be the same week as the Chili Bowl Nationals. Just watch their website for the date to be announced. www.chilibowl.com (http://www.chilibowl.com)

[Hconcepts]

thanks howard!!! i like to watch you wheel that edm around the track!!!

[Sonny B]

Jan 12-16 2010.

[Joey Hornick]

If we want to keep it a three day event, go Thur - Sat so those that are going to travel or have to take off work only have to take two days off. Taking off from work isn't a huge deal for me because I can work remotely and did alot of this while racing.

Another suggestion would be to have internet access so we can broadcast the event and provide other services that could be useful to others when internet is available.

[jhoover74]

The third annual Chili Bowl Jr. will take place Jan 13-15 of 2010 Stay tuned for more info to come

[Hconcepts]

hoover is that 100% right, if so we are taking off that week. hate to take off then change dates!!!

[jhoover74]

those are the dates put them on your schedule

[Hconcepts]

thanks hoover !!!

[motobrad]

I just found out about this race:(....I am making plans now for next year!!!!! Is there a place to look at rules, classes, ect. After watching the 8th scale late model i am going to have to go look at getting one of those!!!! Shhhwwwweeeet!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Brad

[hljudd]

I just found out about this race:(....I am making plans now for next year!!!!! Is there a place to look at rules, classes, ect. After watching the 8th scale late model i am going to have to go look at getting one of those!!!! Shhhwwwweeeet!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Brad

Here is a link to the rules for this year's event. I'm sure some of them will change for next year.
http://nscs.easyphpbb.com/viewforum.php?f=4&sid=16bf918124df17a47cbeda4e99867ccc

[mrtallguy]

There is no freaking way you could condense this show to a 2 day event. At least not without limiting entries or cutting classes. I think you could only run 2 days if you want and give up on the tq one lap qualifying option but if you are gonna have 4 qualifyiers and mains I can't see a way to cut the show. JMHO

Leave it alone and let it grow!

Jim Harden

im not tring to start anything here when i say this but it can be done it could even be done in 1 day if needed. i was the rd at the nitro icebreaker a offroad race in tx that had 210 entries running 4 quals at 5min length with 3 min warm up period before the qual started. the mains times vairid from 15 mins to hour e-f mains were 15 mins, c-d mains were 30 mins, b mains were 45 mins, a mains were 1 hr. we had 1/8 buggy expert, 1/8 buggy sportsman, gas truck, monster truck, 1/8 truggy expert, 1/8 truggy sportsman
a mains were 5 hrs alone

we started at 9:00 am and trophies were being presented at 1:30 am
temperatues were in the 20's and the wind was blowing 15-23 mph and everyone was there to the end

it all depends on the racers themselves and what they want to do. we tried to change it to a 2 day event and 95% of the racers wanted it left a 1 day event

[Sonny B]

im not tring to start anything here when i say this but it can be done it could even be done in 1 day if needed. i was the rd at the nitro icebreaker a offroad race in tx that had 210 entries running 4 quals at 5min length with 3 min warm up period before the qual started. the mains times vairid from 15 mins to hour e-f mains were 15 mins, c-d mains were 30 mins, b mains were 45 mins, a mains were 1 hr. we had 1/8 buggy expert, 1/8 buggy sportsman, gas truck, monster truck, 1/8 truggy expert, 1/8 truggy sportsman
a mains were 5 hrs alone

we started at 9:00 am and trophies were being presented at 1:30 am
temperatues were in the 20's and the wind was blowing 15-23 mph and everyone was there to the end

it all depends on the racers themselves and what they want to do. we tried to change it to a 2 day event and 95% of the racers wanted it left a 1 day event

Don't forget in off-road you can run 10-15 car heats depending on track size. Running a 160 car oval field 5 rounds in one day would be a little tough. Scotty is a pro and he kept things moving at a pretty good pace.

I thought James did a nice job building on last years race and making it even better this year. I’m sure he has a list in his mind of what worked and what can be improved for next year.

[mrtallguy]

we ran 10 cars in every race.

never said scotty was/is not a pro im sure he is. what im saying is that it can be done.

i know we have done 120 cars on a oval race in 1 day on a weekly basis
also have seen it done at the snow birds before.

im not advocating it or recomending it. im saying that it can be done if push came to push and you were forced to change the plan that it could be done when someone said changing a 3 day race to 2 day race couldnt be done

once again im not tring to start anything

[MJS]

one thing some of you are forgetting is this is not a stand alone event....it was thought up and designed to work with and around the real chilli bowl so a person can do both all in one week which meens you can not do a all day all night type marathon...

[PainterX]

dude i want to go next year =]

lloyd smith is hooking me up lol

Cory

[plipitkc]

Dr Phil will be in the house if the good lord is willing a n dthe creek doesn't rise.

Later

[JGray]

Already have my vacation scheduled for next years race.:checkeredflag:

[Hconcepts]

we set our vacation for next year also.. these poor ole Arkansas boys want to race in the chili bowl jr. :thumbsup:

[Sonny B]

we ran 10 cars in every race.



once again im not tring to start anything


No problem, me neither. I had a great time all week and look forward to next year.

[mrtallguy]

one thing some of you are forgetting is this is not a stand alone event....it was thought up and designed to work with and around the real chilli bowl so a person can do both all in one week which meens you can not do a all day all night type marathon...

thats the key thing there tring to work around that scheadul and your right no way to run a 1 day race with that scheadul i wouldnt not while the real chilli bowl going on next door

[JW8]

What kind of cross over do you get between the two events? How many of the RC racers go to the Chili Bowl? What are the days of the Big car race?

Jeff

[jhoover74]

The Chili Bowl Midget Nationals race every night from Tuesday to Saturday. This year right around 81 percent of the cars at the Spektrum Chili Bowl Jr. were from out of town. I would tend to think that the majority of those racers may not go every night but probally attend at least one if not two nights at the Chili Bowl Midget Nationals. I have entertained the idea of moving the race to Thursday, Friday, and Saturday show, where we would start the mains saturday morning around 8:00 hopefully finishing up around 1:00, problem with this the first mains at the big event start at around 11:00 I believe. I am just not sure how that would go with the racers that have showed up the last two years. There was only a couple of racers that raced the first year that did not run with us this second year, I believe we have a successful program in what we are doing, and I would hate to change it and lose what we have going.

[JGray]

The format as it stands makes it pretty easy to get your RC fix during the day and midgets at night. I would leave it alone, just my 2 cents.

[air8]

Hoover is right. Seems to work out just fine. 180 entries speaks for its self.

Next year I'm getting there early to claim my pit spot near the Losi guys again.

[BrianD]

The Chili Bowl Midget Nationals race every night from Tuesday to Saturday. This year right around 81 percent of the cars at the Spektrum Chili Bowl Jr. were from out of town. I would tend to think that the majority of those racers may not go every night but probally attend at least one if not two nights at the Chili Bowl Midget Nationals. I have entertained the idea of moving the race to Thursday, Friday, and Saturday show, where we would start the mains saturday morning around 8:00 hopefully finishing up around 1:00, problem with this the first mains at the big event start at around 11:00 I believe. I am just not sure how that would go with the racers that have showed up the last two years. There was only a couple of racers that raced the first year that did not run with us this second year, I believe we have a successful program in what we are doing, and I would hate to change it and lose what we have going.


James is right, the big track is hot at 11 on Saturday and that could possibly get bumped up next year if entries increase and they have to add M or N mains. This race works so well because it allows racers to go to both the RC race and the midget race. If RC racers didn’t want to go to the midget races at night, they could at least get out in a decent time so they could go have a sit down enjoyable dinner. If the times of the rc race were extended so it overlapped midget race then running the two events in conjunction with one another would be pointless.

[jhoover74]

At times during the day in the Quicktrip Center which is where the big event is held it is packed elbow to elbow in the tradeshow, which could easily be somewhere in the neighboorhood of 5 to 7 thousand people. One of my main reasons for putting on this event is to attract new people to our hobby. This year at the Spektrum Chili Bowl Jr. we had alot more spectators than the year before. I beleive at one time on Friday we possibly could have had around 1000 people in there watching us race.
It may help in bring in a few more racers to make this a two day show, but I think that in order to provide maxium exposure to our sport and grow dirt oval I will leave this a 3 day show, starting on Wednesday and ending on Friday. I hope that everybody that is wanting to condense this event to a two day show understands my logic

James

[loopedout]

I dont care if it's a 4 day event, I'll be there. It's a great race to go to. One thing, is there anyway that you can get the announcer at the big Chili Bowl to say something about the RC racing going on during the day, I think that would make people aware that it was going on. No one I spoke with at the Chili Bowl had any clue that we were over there.

[plipitkc]

Great idea. James this is just an idea to think about.

Place the stands around the track rather than as far away as they were since we still allow the spectators to stand next to the track. THis way everyone would have great seats and not be in harms way.

This is coming from one of the "out-of-thepark" gang:D.

[loopedout]

How about turn the track 90 degres and move it back in the building a bit, put the stands on the back straight, that will open up more concrete floored pit area

[Chris K]

At times during the day in the Quicktrip Center which is where the big event is held it is packed elbow to elbow in the tradeshow, which could easily be somewhere in the neighboorhood of 5 to 7 thousand people. One of my main reasons for putting on this event is to attract new people to our hobby. This year at the Spektrum Chili Bowl Jr. we had alot more spectators than the year before. I beleive at one time on Friday we possibly could have had around 1000 people in there watching us race.
It may help in bring in a few more racers to make this a two day show, but I think that in order to provide maxium exposure to our sport and grow dirt oval I will leave this a 3 day show, starting on Wednesday and ending on Friday. I hope that everybody that is wanting to condense this event to a two day show understands my logic

James

In my opinion (2nd year attending, 1st year racing) I believe that the 3 day format is more then likely the best way to go. IF you observed the crowds, they dropped off to almost nothing after 5:00pm each day - and that had a lot to do with the festivities getting under way at the 'big show'. I believe that an earlier start to ensure that the r/c event is finished at 5:00pm would be the best thing for all. The second thought that I have had is that there was NO cross promotion that I could see - there was nothing in the main building indicating that r/c races were happening in the Mustang Arena. I would like to hope that next year some posters could be printed and posted in the Quick Trip Center WITH THE PERMISSION of the promotors. I spoke with a lot of people on the full scale side that had NO idea we were racing!

I believe that with the above changes - adjustments that the cross over could improve AND we could 'show our stuff' to folks who have never seen it before!

[air8]

If they could get an internet feed for Scotty next year they should put up video on some smaller TV's for the Big chilli bowl crowd to watch while they walk around the QT center. And when they see the racing going on just a few yards away they might be inclined to check it out. Free!! of course. LOL.

[Doug Gaut]

Maybe on Monday or Tuesday night we could get a group of guys to take cars over to the big track pit area and set up a table or two for people to check the cars out on as well as a table with a small laptop playing some video footage.

[air8]

yea, that's much more simple.

[loopedout]

Maybe on Monday or Tuesday night we could get a group of guys to take cars over to the big track pit area and set up a table or two for people to check the cars out on as well as a table with a small laptop playing some video footage.


Good idea Doug, how about get with one of the vendors, ie Hooters of Tulsa on board as a sponsor and just leave a couple cars at their Vendor area with a poster or flyer promoting our event and/or the video playing. Heck yeah, Hooters girls, chicken wings, and racin at the Chili Bowl Jr, that sounds nice

[jhoover74]

hopefully one of the RC vendors/companies can set up a booth over in the chili bowl trade show

[RichardsonRacng]

James, I like your logic on a 3 day show for the exposure. It seems it is better for the spectators even though we admit it may come at sacrificing a few racers. My suggestion would me to keep the track going for 3 days, but only 2 of them as part of the chili bowl.
Maybe Wednesday could be controled practice with some different types of dashes or maybe like a one day club style race. Guys would still be racing for something and getting practice at the same time and it would allow other racers to show up Thursday and not me so far behind the eight ball. The I my thing they will have lost is track time but not potential qualy points. Especially since this is a 3 day weekday race. Would be different if it were a Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Not saying you should fix what is not broken, but that would be my suggestion in order to gain participants and not lose exposure.

[Doug Gaut]

The week flew by FAST! Even with Tuesday as a practice day come Friday after the mains several of us were like, "where did the week go??" I cant imagine trying to stuff the event into two days. A positive for the week long event is you get to spend time with fellow racers from all over the country that you normally dont get to see but once a year at the most. I would like to see the track be about 10-15 feet longer and maybe looser soil although the surface was MUCH better this year. This race is only going to get bigger every year.

Something else that might be fun is if we could do something like the Dream on Tuesday with the 1/8 late models but just the opposite, let some of the big car guys run our cars. ;) Bet guys like Scott Bloomquist, Kasey Kahne, Tony Stewart, etc (if they were going to be at the Bowl) would have a blast driving the late models. Maybe a heat race and a main with 6-8 late models? That would really get some spectator awareness as well as maybe some Speed coverage? Bet Doug at Canham graphics could help out with special wraps. This would naturally need to be set up probably a 6-8 months in advance but it would be fun.

[racerjmh]

I like the Hooters idea. The local hooters sponsers our track. I like the idea of Hooters trophy girls too- LOL!
I think the best,easy, cross promotion idea would be for an ad advertising our races in the program at the Chili Bowl. And come to think about it if somebody would talk to the guys at Speed Sport News about a small article or ad in the Chili Bowl edition that would gain exposure nationwide. Just some thoughts.

Jim Harden

[plipitkc]

Jim,

You're a newly wed and shouldn't be thinking of the Hooters girls....leave that thought to us old married goats of over 20 years..;)

All of this sounds great and will help expand our sport. We need to start planning and shooting video during all of the major events and edit it down to some short clips for replay as a promotion.

The big question is whose cars will be sitting at the promotional booth during the race???

Answer: Past champions cars or those bodies on donated chassis. First, you have the Pink Turd, then the Wizard, whose next? Also think about adding the NSCS Champion cars, etc..

just my thoughts

Phil

[Joey Hornick]

Are any of the buildings closer to the QT center being used during the Chili Bowl? I know there is an aution/sale that goes in on of them, but what about the other buildings so it is closer for fans to just walk over. Keep in mind that its Oklahoma and one day it can be like 70 degrees and the next it is like 20 degrees.

Joey

[Lars Johnson]

What kind of cross over do you get between the two events? How many of the RC racers go to the Chili Bowl? What are the days of the Big car race?

Jeff

Jeff!! How's it going? Long time no talk, tell Ken to get working on that FrankenCar 2wd of his... :) I am one of those guys that heads over to the big race every night. I didn't mind the overlap much, mainly because i was having too much fun running the R/C portion, and I only missed the Heat races for the big cars every night. I got to catch up on everything all day Saturday. Scotty, James and the crew for the R/C race did an awesome job IMO, keeping the track consistent and getting us out as close to 6 as possible. Would I like to have gotten out earlier - sure - but for me, it wasn't a huge deal.

I know from my groups experience, my brother and the guys in our crew for big race went to the Trade show almost every day. And I know they were over it by Thursday. There really isn't much to see in the trade show more than once, A) unless you like the Cloud 9 girls (yeesh), or B) are playing the in car video games. I really only wanted to signup for the IMCA modified they gave away, and buy new impact gloves... :ha:

If the R/C race could align itself so the Mains are run mid-day Friday - when all the big race spectators are Really looking for something else to do - i think the R/C race would be PACKED that day. Word of mouth spread pretty fast i thought, there were a bunch of people in my section that stopped by the R/C race at least once during the week. However, like someone mentioned earlier, if they could announce about the R/C race at the big race just ONCE per nite, i bet the influx of people would at least triple.

just my thoughts, i'll be there next year no matter how it's done :)

[air8]

So Lars, any idea when your next oval race will be. http://dirtoval.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36021

We'd like to have you race here if possible.

[Lars Johnson]

Not sure, hopefully I can do a few more oval races this summer, Texas would be a stretch to drive though... We're starting a new Colorado Nitro Offroad series in April, so I'm just gettin geared up for that. I'll keep an eye on stuff going on in Hutch, I'd like to run the dirt oval there with something other than my XXXCR :)

[air8]

I hope the series goes well for ya. Here in Hutch we've been getting about 15 of the 1/8 LM when we race oval every other weekend. On Feb. 1st there's a potential for a several more than that. And they keep gaining popularity. So by the end of winter we should have some pretty good turnouts.

Joplin, MO is having an oval race in early spring as well. Not sure if you've been to this track but this is the track the Chilli Bowl was built to mimich. A loose surface with more banking and many, many fast lines around the track. Here's Doug at the Joplin track.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMwJmhjCeec It's an awesome track.

[JW8]

Lars: Well as fast as you are in Hutch every year on the offroad track....they may make you run that CR in the LM class....lol

Congrats on the first big weekend with the L8! Losi has some fast LM guys here in the middle part of the country.

Not much talk about the inclusion of the electric classes into the NSCS race. How did the Electric Sprints go and will that class continue with much steam the rest of the season?

Jeff

[racerjmh]

E sprint and edm was great at the CBJ and e-sprint is on for every NSCS race this year. And there is talk of truck based e-edm's as well on the texasdirtoval forum. Plus they are offerring slash as an entry level class at all the NSCS races this year.

Jim Harden

[Hconcepts]

slash oval !!!! woo hoo can't wait!!!!! i'm a new guy!! :D

[racerjmh]

Check da rules Howard posted in the NSCS forum H. Unless you went back in time and are 15 or so again your gonna need a hired gun for slash- LOL.

Jim

[legend15x3]

I know there are talks of how many days it will be, just wondering if can run on Sundays after the Chili bowl is done? If that was the case could do a 2-3 day event.

Or even, instead of 4 heats of qualifying, do one or two and line up the mains from there with bump ups. If thats possible?

[hljudd]

I know there are talks of how many days it will be, just wondering if can run on Sundays after the Chili bowl is done? If that was the case could do a 2-3 day event.

Or even, instead of 4 heats of qualifying, do one or two and line up the mains from there with bump ups. If thats possible?


It's already a 3 day event? :confused:

Are you suggesting we run like Thursday, Friday...skip Saturday and then finish on Sunday? What are you suggesting?

Of course, any talk of dates and number of days for the event now would be for the 2011. The 2010 Chili Bowl Jr. is already set for Jan 13,14 & 15 2010. The building has already been booked.

[711nick]

I had to much fun this last year ready to signup 2010

[legend15x3]

I just thought run it Saturday and sunday? Be done in time on saturday to watch the D thru A mains maybe? Then finish on Sunday?

[racerjmh]

Condense an already busy 4 day show(counting practice) into a 2day show-I don't see a way without cutting classes or restricting entries. it's sucessful already- don't mess with it- IMHO.

Jim

[JW8]

I think the majority are happy with the setup. I know there are a few of us on the fringe that can't swing the middle of the week race for a range of reasons. Can't blame people for wanting to attend. I do not think anyone wants to "mess" with what is working for the majority. I know if it was arranged different that I would be able to attend. The selfish side of me wants it set up for me to be able to attend...but if it works for the majority I will gladly live through the buddies of mine that do attend.

Jeff

[gatornation]

Maybe "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and "Keep It Simple Stupid" apply here? Looks like a fun deal... don't change a thing! I have read and watched videos with keen interest and intentions on coming this January.

When (about) does registration kick off?
How far ahead do you really need to make hotel registrations? and where?

Thanks in advance for the advice. I've enjoyed keeping up with this

Mike

[loopedout]

I would get hotel reservations now because the big chili bowl books up rooms quick. Google the address of the Tulsa fairgrounds and find the closest hotel you can there are a bunch. I use cheap tickets to get my room.

[plipitkc]

Has the exact dates and duration been set yet?

Phil

[Hconcepts]

The third annual Chili Bowl Jr. will take place Jan 13-15 of 2010 Stay tuned for more info to come



I hope this is right!!! because we got our vaction set to this!!!!

[loopedout]

24th Annual Chili Bowl Nationals - January 12-16, 2010


Those are the dates for the big cars so that would put the rc show the 13th, 14th, and 15th.

[Hconcepts]

Thats what i said!!

[plipitkc]

Thanks

[711nick]

any word on the likely hood of the chili bowl this year ? I hope the show goes on I never had so much fun racing .I know there is alot that feel that way!

[RamRacing]

any word on the likely hood of the chili bowl this year ? I hope the show goes on I never had so much fun racing .I know there is alot that feel that way!


The Chili Bowl is still on. There is no way we were going to let it fall to the side.

[Wayne3]

My dad and I are looking to make this event in 2010. What classes that will be in attendance?

[loopedout]

Pro 1/8 late
Nitro sprint and EDM
Elec sprint and EDM
should be about it

[Wayne3]

So no 1/8 Sprint car's. My dad races the late model class, and I knew that class was going to be well represented. We are boosting the 1/8 nitro sprint car craze here in LA and MS. I wasn't sure if there was a strong field of 1/8 sprinters since this is going to be the Jr. Race of the Chili bowl...

I know we are going to be there regardless, I just hope that I have someone to race with...lol

[Hconcepts]

There are NO 1/8 sprints around that i know of??

[dirtracer20]

is the late models open as in side dams,and up to .28 i have a side dam on mine with a os .21vg thinking about making the trip

[RamRacing]

is the late models open as in side dams,and up to .28 i have a side dam on mine with a os .21vg thinking about making the trip

I can promise you there will be no sidedamns. It will be a open motor. But it will be a buggy base rule package on rubber street tires same as last yr.

[DSR90]

LOL dirt track racin

[JW8]

Ram is the thoughts on the LM rules for the Chili Bowl. I know that is how they have been ran in the past. It is a good fit since that is the rule package of this area.

[RamRacing]

Ram is the thoughts on the LM rules for the Chili Bowl. I know that is how they have been ran in the past. It is a good fit since that is the rule package of this area.

I am not the final decission maker. But I do know that the rule package will make it were a person can compete without having to have a high dollar price car. It has not been decided yet. But the rules will probly be the same as the new NSCS rules that will be release very soon.

[rcavenger]

on the 1/8th late model...

Does the car have to e gas? Some interest in 1/8th electric late model here...conversion L8

[Wayne3]

I'd like to see 1/8 nitro sprint cars before a pricey electric converted car. Losi and ofna are the two major Late model manufacturers. Ofna has already incorporated their interests with their 1/8 sprint car. Is it wrong to ask if we keep these replica classes as close to the "BIG cars" as possible...until I see an electric full scale late model I feel we should keep the classes nitro...this is just my opinion though...

[RamRacing]

on the 1/8th late model...

Does the car have to e gas? Some interest in 1/8th electric late model here...conversion L8

electric 1/8 scales will not be allowed to run with the Nitro. Now if there show's to be a big enough interest with payed entry's for electric 1/8 scale then we would have a class for them.

And the same would go for 1/8 sprints. But I will be totally honest. There has not been any run in the 4 state area of us for 1/8 Sprints.

[Hconcepts]

i know of two 1/8 sprints in Arkansas.. but they are shelf gueens :p

[loopedout]

theres some sprinters running every weekend in Mississippi, as far as elec l8's, the only place that runs them around here is Comp and none of those guys will be coming to the Chili Bowl. If there is enough interest I have one and will bring it but a nitro L8 is no competition for an elec one.

[Wayne3]

electric 1/8 scales will not be allowed to run with the Nitro. Now if there show's to be a big enough interest with payed entry's for electric 1/8 scale then we would have a class for them.

And the same would go for 1/8 sprints. But I will be totally honest. There has not been any run in the 4 state area of us for 1/8 Sprints.

Well I am certain that the 1/8 sprints are a fairly new class that is looking for exposure. As I mentioned before we have around 8-10 in the LA/MS area. I hope that we continue to grow locally as well as in other states. Here are a few pics of the 1/8 sprint cars that run at a 3 track circuit in MS. Pics are in this order:

Wayne 3
Mike Morris
Chad Jones
Chad, Leighton, and Wayne battling out of turn 4...

[Wayne3]

There are a couple more sprint car racers in the MS area, but my son didn't take everyone's pics as he as told to...lol

I am 95% certain that we will be bringing 4 1/8 sprint cars to the Chili Bowl Jr. if we will be allowed to run...We don't want to mess up the late model's but we do hope to help promote the sprint car class if possible.

[loopedout]

Guess you need to get with Scott Butts, I dont see why if 5 or more 1/8 sprint cars show up they wouldnt run them. I think it would be an awesome addition. I would think that a set of rules for them would need to be brought to Scott at the time of suggestion though.

[Wayne3]

Well that is a great idea, however, I have yet to find a set of 1/8 sprint car rules...that is how new this class really is...I would like to think that by January there will be more interest and possibly a form of rules established for the 1/8 sprinters.

I know this much, what we have done is add a cage to an existing 1/8 buggy chassis, apply losi or ofna onroad rubber tires and a wing on top. The dimensions on the wings are 8 - 10" x 8 - 10" platforms and 4 1/2 - 5 inch tall side dam's...

Usually we conform to the rest of the car rules as set forth by RC Pro or ROAR depending on the track we are at. But if anyone that see's these posts would like to put a sprint car together to add to the show at the Chil Bowl Jr. we will be there with ours. If you are looking for a cage to make a Sprint car, I know how to locate one for you. We look forward to seeing you all in Tulsa in January...

[Wayne3]

For those that want to run sprint cars but don't want the hassle of modifying one of your current 1/8 buggy's, you can always purchase the ofna version of the 1/8 Sprint car.

http://www.ofna.com/hyper-sprint.php

But what we have found with this car is that the tires need to be the onroad ofna or losi tires:

Ofna:
86505
Losi:
LOSA17758

[kingzj]

I would also like to make the trip down this year. I did notice that in your list of classes their wasn't any truck/edm class? That is one of my favorites and would like to be able to run it if possible.


Jesse

[RamRacing]

For those that want to run sprint cars but don't want the hassle of modifying one of your current 1/8 buggy's, you can always purchase the ofna version of the 1/8 Sprint car.

http://www.ofna.com/hyper-sprint.php

But what we have found with this car is that the tires need to be the onroad ofna or losi tires:

Ofna:
86505
Losi:
LOSA17758

Ok I just Spoke with Scott. If there is a minimum of 15 cars or more there will be a class for them. He is wanting to have at least 2 heats of each class.

And as far as rules. Wow here we go again. It has been and still is a going thing as far as rules for the 1/8 LM. So with you guys already running them, come up with a rules package that you are using and submit it to Scott. With us not running any around here. we dont know what is working or not.

[loopedout]

I would also like to make the trip down this year. I did notice that in your list of classes their wasn't any truck/edm class? That is one of my favorites and would like to be able to run it if possible.


Jesse

There have been truck based elec and nitro edms both years.

[Matt Murphy]

Please add 2 names to the list of Electric L8 Models, Matt Murphy and Allan Webster. Cant wait till the day i dont need a starter box to race L8 Models!

[Allan Webster]

Stop it!! You are making it too easy. I now would not have to try to figure out how to get a nitro engine to run!!! I'm smiling now... When can we put them on order?

[fbiracing]

Looking to make this race What classes will be ran

[RamRacing]

Looking to make this race What classes will be ran

Nitro Sprint
Electric Sprint
Nitro 1/8 Late Model
Nitro EDM
Eletric Truck/EDM ( this class may be replaced by 13.5 Electric Late Model)
And it not in the line up for the show yet, Electric L8te.

[fbiracing]

COOL Thanks

[racerjmh]

13.5 LM using dodc rules? Rubber tires or CW tires?

[kingzj]

I am in for nitro truck,ele sprint,possibly 1/8 lm depending on rules.


Jesse

[loopedout]

1/8 rules should be pretty straight forward, I would imagine they will be something like this

buggy based
ofna or losi tires
molded bodies
any engine up to 28
no side dams
3"max rear spoiler
throttle return device

[clintscreations]

Im interested in truck/edm....maybe get at least 4 more

But what are the body rules

[plipitkc]

Will Nitro EDM be truck or buggy based?

I have also noticed up here that since the possible addition of the 1/8 4wd sprint, there is more interest in this class.

As of now, count me in for L8M and 4WD Sprint (if it makes). There will be at least 5 to 8 additional cars from the KC Crew coming.

Phil

[Wayne3]

Ok I just Spoke with Scott. If there is a minimum of 15 cars or more there will be a class for them. He is wanting to have at least 2 heats of each class.

And as far as rules. Wow here we go again. It has been and still is a going thing as far as rules for the 1/8 LM. So with you guys already running them, come up with a rules package that you are using and submit it to Scott. With us not running any around here. we dont know what is working or not.

RAM Racing, I will put a rules package together for Scott regarding the 1/8 Nitro Sprint car class. Only question I have is, how do I get in touch with Scott...:D

Thanks for the help..

Also, what size will the track be this year. What I mean is, for setup purposes, how big a raceline are we talking about?

After viewing last years video of the A-main, I was curious to know are y'all implementing a specific tire for the event?

[Wayne3]

Will Nitro EDM be truck or buggy based?

I have also noticed up here that since the possible addition of the 1/8 4wd sprint, there is more interest in this class.

As of now, count me in for L8M and 4WD Sprint (if it makes). There will be at least 5 to 8 additional cars from the KC Crew coming.

Phil


We are really promoting the Nitro 1/8 Sprint car class in these parts of the country. We find the cars are more direct (less slide) then the late models. That combined with the Sprint wings make this class really exciting to run in and watch.

We are definitely bringing a crew of Sprint car racers with our Late model racers to the Chili Bowl Jr. I will continue to promote the class on here as well as locally and once we have a rules package in place, I will touch basis with Scott about the class for the Chili Bowl. We look forward to seeing you all there.

[RamRacing]

RAM Racing, I will put a rules package together for Scott regarding the 1/8 Nitro Sprint car class. Only question I have is, how do I get in touch with Scott...:D

Thanks for the help..

Also, what size will the track be this year. What I mean is, for setup purposes, how big a raceline are we talking about?

After viewing last years video of the A-main, I was curious to know are y'all implementing a specific tire for the event?

Yes you will need to work everything out with Scott Butts. He is Scotty 21B on this forum.

[kingzj]

Clint,

In Wisconsin we run the nitro truck/edm as follows

truck based chassis
full truck shocks
rubber truck tires
.12 engine
edm body or truck body with side dam

I personally run a ad2 truck with a dynamite .12 and a custom works narrow probe body. The custom works body is very easy to fit onto a truck.

[area51]

do you fellas know if there will be a class for 1/8th sprint cars if so we have 4 from jackson ms coming home of the John Davis sprint car

[clintscreations]

Clint,

In Wisconsin we run the nitro truck/edm as follows

truck based chassis
full truck shocks
rubber truck tires
.12 engine
edm body or truck body with side dam

I personally run a ad2 truck with a dynamite .12 and a custom works narrow probe body. The custom works body is very easy to fit onto a truck.

We run ele. trucks here in kc with truck bodies full shocks unmodified chassis, rubber tires.....my truck is just as fast as any 2wd on track.......
Im thinking about the chilli bowl but don't wanna be stuck running a big floppy edm body.....way up high on a truck....so I was wondering about body rules
I had an AD2 that I ran offroad...had os tz 12 ...prolly the most over motored thing I've driven...other than my cat sx...got fid of it cause everyone around here only runs 10th nitro at big races......awsome truck though....thanks king

[RandyJ]

Are Backlash Losi LM's legal to run?

[RamRacing]

Are Backlash Losi LM's legal to run?

No offset chassis. No carbon fiber chassis will be allowed. It will be ran as a NSCS rules package.

[RamRacing]

We run ele. trucks here in kc with truck bodies full shocks unmodified chassis, rubber tires.....my truck is just as fast as any 2wd on track.......
Im thinking about the chilli bowl but don't wanna be stuck running a big floppy edm body.....way up high on a truck....so I was wondering about body rules
I had an AD2 that I ran offroad...had os tz 12 ...prolly the most over motored thing I've driven...other than my cat sx...got fid of it cause everyone around here only runs 10th nitro at big races......awsome truck though....thanks king

truck body's will be allowed

[RamRacing]

do you fellas know if there will be a class for 1/8th sprint cars if so we have 4 from jackson ms coming home of the John Davis sprint car

Its not 100% yet. But if there is at least 15 or more cars signed up. They should get to run. Scott Butts has the final say on this.

[okcwheels17]

Boy roger u sure do talk alot..lol

[Hconcepts]

5 pages of the same thing over and over & over...

[loopedout]

what kind of tires can we run on the 1/8 lates again:ha:

[RamRacing]

Boy roger u sure do talk alot..lol

Hey go crawl back in your little hole. Somebody has to answer the questions. I may not be right on all the questions. but at least I am trying to help lol lmao

[kingzj]

clint,

I am with you on the big floppy edm bodies. The custom works body is floppy but I add a bunch of bracing and with the way it is mounted it is very stout.

[RandyJ]

So even the Ofna Dirt Oval Pro is not allowed then. Just one brand catered to?

[Jeff Harper]

Per current NSCS rules, the OFNA dirt oval pro is legal along with any buggy based car.

[RandyJ]

Then the Backlash would be legal right? It is buggy based. Not trying to be a pain, just asking.

[plipitkc]

Not necessarily, if I remember correctly last years NSCS rules did not allow graphite chassis which is what the Backlash has.

Roger / Jeff, please correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks

Phil

[area51]

Its not 100% yet. But if there is at least 15 or more cars signed up. They should get to run. Scott Butts has the final say on this.
thanks for your help so just bring them and if we run we run

[RandyJ]

it would be cool to see a good group on 1/8 sprints.

[RamRacing]

Not necessarily, if I remember correctly last years NSCS rules did not allow graphite chassis which is what the Backlash has.

Roger / Jeff, please correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks

Phil

When the rules get posted here very shortly from the NSCS. It will have it spelled out.

The Backlash yes use's the LOSI buggy parts. But it is not a buggy base car. Please do not start a debate over this. That is a broken record. The way the car is built is offset on a carbon fiber chassis. And it will not be legal. The only chassis that has any offset to the left allowed will be the stock Ofna DOII.

I am sorry if this affends anyone.

[RamRacing]

thanks for your help so just bring them and if we run we run

I would say about 2 months prior to the race we will start a list of names and what they are running. So you will know ahead of time before you come whether or not that class will be running.

I hope there is enough to make a good class. I would like to see these cars run

[RamRacing]

So even the Ofna Dirt Oval Pro is not allowed then. Just one brand catered to?

No it is not being catered to one brand. Losi,Ofna,Caster,Xray,Ass. the list go's on. buggy base converted to late Model by adding items to mount body.

[loopedout]

approved molded bodies
you can use any shock tower or shock
body mounts to mount a late model body to

I personally would just rather see a height, weight, body, and tire rule, would simplify things and unite the 1/8 late models nationwide. I see no reason to ban cars that wont work as well as a buggy on loose dirt, it would be as senseless as the ONS banning buggy based cars. Hopefully sometime in the future things will get better and a two class rule package will be accepted coast to coast.

[RamRacing]

approved molded bodies
you can use any shock tower or shock
body mounts to mount a late model body to

I personally would just rather see a height, weight, body, and tire rule, would simplify things and unite the 1/8 late models nationwide. I see no reason to ban cars that wont work as well as a buggy on loose dirt, it would be as senseless as the ONS banning buggy based cars. Hopefully sometime in the future things will get better and a two class rule package will be accepted coast to coast.

The real reason for the rule package is not to control what can or cannot be done to the cars. It is to keep it as easy as possible for anyone to get a buggy and convert it with as little cost as possible. And still be able to compete. That cannot happen against the 1k valued custom made chassis. Sorry but the rules have been decided. They will be posted soon.

Loyd you now know first hand how much money you are going to have to put in a car to compete with the cars out east in the outlaw class. This is why there may never be a common ground between everyone.

[RandyJ]

It is cool Ram. I was just asking. It would be cool if all the Lm's banded together though. No biggie. I will just by a L8 that is not converted to run at Chili Bowl.:thumbsup:

[loopedout]

The real reason for the rule package is not to control what can or cannot be done to the cars. It is to keep it as easy as possible for anyone to get a buggy and convert it with as little cost as possible. And still be able to compete. That cannot happen against the 1k valued custom made chassis. Sorry but the rules have been decided. They will be posted soon.

Loyd you now know first hand how much money you are going to have to put in a car to compete with the cars out east in the outlaw class. This is why there may never be a common ground between everyone.


It costs 150 to get an offset plate and I will be spending 325 on the engine which is less than the engine I run in NSCS, a dyn plat 28 from Pro Twister to compete. Offset chassis do help on clay and foam tires On loose dirt it would be no advantage. The only track that an offset would pose any advantage in the NSCS would be indy but you will still need a full suspension, not touring shocks. Allan was running a L8 with no offset and a Losi 350 engine which isnt as powerful as a dyn plat 21, that tells me that you can compete anywhere with a buggy based car. I have as much money in my NSCS car as my outlaw late. The $1000 engines arent needed, a dynamite 28 or an LRP 28 for example will run with the best of them. So outlaw or not the class is affordable. It really comes down to driver quality and preparation for a race that put people out front, not an expensive chassis. Look at NSCS, there are people in lower mains with an identical car to the Losi L8 I ran with the same dyn 21 and the same Doug Gaut Joplin setup that I run or anyone else for that matter that cant make the A, they will not do any better with a backlash and a 4.2hp engine ie. The top guys wont go to those chassis as it would be money ill spent to race on loose dirt. I certainly believe that 99% of people that run NSCS even with open rules will continue to run the cars they currently run as they work.

I will follow rules NSCS or ONS or whatever but a general set of rules need to be established to grow the class nationally. There is no need for so many unnecessary rule packages.
What is going to happen when Associated releases their dirt oval car, it wont be legal in NSCS, because its offset so that eliminates Assocaciated in that market, Im sure that is a turnoff for that company. They will still release the car and it will be raced everywhere else that sees the light. I hope the midwest wont be behind the times for too long and end up killing the class in that area.

Common ground must be found for the betterment of the sport. It will not effect someone getting a buggy or car anywhere and starting racing, it will probably make it easier. We must learn from history and example, why is onroad and offroad so popular, well established common rules from ROAR and IFMAR. Not every 10 state area setting their own rule package. Dirt oval in all forms is like a bastard step child in the rc market because of this. Get an RC magazine, 100+ pages of off road, on road, rock crawlers, then if we are lucky 1/4 page on oval anything. Think about it.

The beginning of a great thing would to see DODC rules for all oval classes used nationwide like they are for sprint cars. DODC midwest, southwest, northeast etc etc. Winning in each region is winning and the winners unite at regional and national events to compete. Or the same is ROAR were to step in on the matter. Racers that race at one track every weekend or only choose to race at a regional etc would not be effected. It will draw interest from manufacturers and the press to become involved in another unified area of rc racing. The sooner this happens the better, dirt oval has been too diversified for too long and will only continue to be complacent until this happens.

[tmr22]

Got a question Roger, If we get 15 or more open 8 scale latemodels (like what was run in the ONS) can we run in the Chili Bowl? The offer has been given to the 8 sprints. Not wanting to start anything just a question.

[RamRacing]

It costs 150 to get an offset plate and I will be spending 325 on the engine which is less than the engine I run in NSCS, a dyn plat 28 from Pro Twister to compete. Offset chassis do help on clay and foam tires On loose dirt it would be no advantage. The only track that an offset would pose any advantage in the NSCS would be indy but you will still need a full suspension, not touring shocks. Allan was running a L8 with no offset and a Losi 350 engine which isnt as powerful as a dyn plat 21, that tells me that you can compete anywhere with a buggy based car. I have as much money in my NSCS car as my outlaw late. The $1000 engines arent needed, a dynamite 28 or an LRP 28 for example will run with the best of them. So outlaw or not the class is affordable. It really comes down to driver quality and preparation for a race that put people out front, not an expensive chassis. Look at NSCS, there are people in lower mains with an identical car to the Losi L8 I ran with the same dyn 21 and the same Doug Gaut Joplin setup that I run or anyone else for that matter that cant make the A, they will not do any better with a backlash and a 4.2hp engine ie. The top guys wont go to those chassis as it would be money ill spent to race on loose dirt. I certainly believe that 99% of people that run NSCS even with open rules will continue to run the cars they currently run as they work.

I will follow rules NSCS or ONS or whatever but a general set of rules need to be established to grow the class nationally. There is no need for so many unnecessary rule packages.
What is going to happen when Associated releases their dirt oval car, it wont be legal in NSCS, because its offset so that eliminates Assocaciated in that market, Im sure that is a turnoff for that company. They will still release the car and it will be raced everywhere else that sees the light. I hope the midwest wont be behind the times for too long and end up killing the class in that area.

Common ground must be found for the betterment of the sport. It will not effect someone getting a buggy or car anywhere and starting racing, it will probably make it easier. We must learn from history and example, why is onroad and offroad so popular, well established common rules from ROAR and IFMAR. Not every 10 state area setting their own rule package. Dirt oval in all forms is like a bastard step child in the rc market because of this. Get an RC magazine, 100+ pages of off road, on road, rock crawlers, then if we are lucky 1/4 page on oval anything. Think about it.

The beginning of a great thing would to see DODC rules for all oval classes used nationwide like they are for sprint cars. DODC midwest, southwest, northeast etc etc. Winning in each region is winning and the winners unite at regional and national events to compete. Or the same is ROAR were to step in on the matter. Racers that race at one track every weekend or only choose to race at a regional etc would not be effected. It will draw interest from manufacturers and the press to become involved in another unified area of rc racing. The sooner this happens the better, dirt oval has been too diversified for too long and will only continue to be complacent until this happens.

Lloyd I didnt make the rules. There was a rules committy formed and they decided on what they are going to be. I am just on here answering questions asked do to non availibilty of the Chili Bowl Propioter. All I can say is. Nothing will changed from the rules for this Chili Bowl race.
Just your plate and motor is more then what a Losi new runs now.And I dont know what motor your running. But my Platnium 21XP was around 189.00.

[RamRacing]

Got a question Roger, If we get 15 or more open 8 scale latemodels (like what was run in the ONS) can we run in the Chili Bowl? The offer has been given to the 8 sprints. Not wanting to start anything just a question.

Tim

That decission will be Scotts. All I do know from talking to him is. The 1/8 sprinters are being allowed with the tems of 15 or more car due to it being a different animal, and to help promote that style of car. Like I say it is up to Scott. But from the way I take that he is going to run the Chlie Bowl. There will NOT be 2 different L8te model classes.

[loopedout]

Please read and understand my post before commenting on it next time.


The second late class would be beneficial to the Chili Bowl. One it will draw more entrants and the second reason is that the Chili Bowl has quickly become tagged as a national event so why not include the whole nation, both the NSCS type car and the Outlaw type cars. Seeing the two cars run on the same track in different classes will give evidence for future ruling decisions instead of the speculation it is currently built on.

[RamRacing]

Please read and understand my post before commenting on it next time.


The second late class would be beneficial to the Chili Bowl. One it will draw more entrants and the second reason is that the Chili Bowl has quickly become tagged as a national event so why not include the whole nation, both the NSCS type car and the Outlaw type cars. Seeing the two cars run on the same track in different classes will give evidence for future ruling decisions instead of the speculation it is currently built on.

THIS IS NOT MY CALL. And i did read your post 4 time before I posted. THis issue is getting so old. The rules are going to be the the way they are. Stop trying to change them and except them if you plan on running the race.
I AM DONE WITH THIS ISSUE.

[racerjmh]

Here we go again. Everybody wants things their way. How do you organize a race based on possible entries. I'm not trying to stir the pot but I think the people in charge need to be in charge. Adding more classes dilutes the program and puts this or us as racers into an even smaller niche than we are now. I understand wanting to run what you already have or wanting to promote your product on a national stage. Everybody wants the best for themselves and everyone else but themselves first.

L8M- this is a race run in NSCS country, put on by NSCS racers, so I think it should be NSCS rules.

Nitro EDM- same as above

Nitro Sprint- DODC loose track rules and NSCS rules are as close to identical as you can get now.Counts for DODC national points

E Sprint- same as above. Counts for DODC national pts

E Truck/EDM- event rules as it is not a DODC or NSCS class as of now

That's the 5 classes that ran last year. now on to the proposed classes.

1/8 4wd sprint- niche that wants national exposure

Open L8M- (JMHO here) Class exists and wants national exposure. Personally I vote for NSCS tires to keep the field level.

13.5 E LM- no idea on rules but would expect DODC rules on CW tires. Possibly for DODC national points.

So now we have gone from 5 to 8 classes. Added almost half to the schedule of events. Will this make the show better? Easier to run? Increase entries? Increase interest? Or dilute the field?

I love this event and will support it however I can. Will I be disappointed if they drop e truck/edm in favor of 13.5 lm, yes. And if nitro edm gets dropped I may only come to watch. But I will still be there. Personally I vote just to keep it the way it is and everybody do what you have to do to race it if you want. It's all about fun for me with the outside chance my skills have improved enough to place well or win.

Jim

[Platte County]

Well said Jim, I could not agree more. Lets not make this to complicated, thanks Bill:greenflag::whiteflag::checkeredflag:

[Hconcepts]

Where is Scott on all of this ?? they start adding more races and it will be a 5 day show!!! or a 3 day 24 hour SHOW!!!! JMO

[hljudd]

I don't have the final say as to what classes will be ran at the Chili Bowl Jr., but if I know Scott Butts it will be all of the current NSCS classes which will be NSCS Latemodels, 1/10th buggy based Nitro Sprint, 1/10th buggy based Electric Sprint, 1/10th truck based Nitro EDM with all classes being ran under NSCS rules. I expect these classes at the very least. Anyother classes that are to be ran will be at the pleasure of Mr. Butts. Since James Hoover has retired from R/C racing, the NSCS and the Chili Bowl Jr. are no longer connected other than Scott using NSCS rules.

As far as any additional classes running at the Chili Bowl Jr. you will need to forward those questions to Scott Butts or wait for an official announcement from him.

As far as questions about the Ofna DO Pro being allowed in the NSCS, we allow that car because the father of that car (Ofna GTP II) is the car that started the class in our area and several of our racers still have those cars. And as long as that car stays in it's current configuration, it will be allowed to run. It's called "Dance with the one that brung you."

I would also like to take a minute here and explain a few things about the NSCS and our way of thinking. There are a few of you out there that think the NSCS is or is trying to be a national racing body. That is incorrect, we are a group of racers from Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri and Arkansas that get together several times a year to race. We also have some regular racers from other states like South Dakota, Nebraska and Idaho. The main core of our group is the Tulsa area of Oklahoma which is the birthplace of the NSCS. We have set forth a set of rules that our core group wants to race by on a weekly basis. All of the tracks in NSCS country run by these rules on a weekly basis and several times a year we all get together at one of the tracks in NSCS country and we race for points. At the end of the racing season, we add up the points and pass out the prizes. Anything past that, we are not concerned with. We are not interested in how much money we can spend or if we have the fastest cars in the nation. ALL WE KNOW IS THAT WE HAVE A GOOD COMBINATION THAT WORKS FOR US. To put it plainly, we are only concerned with what goes on in our own back yard. What you do or how you race in your back yard is your business and it's no concern of ours. We are not going to come to your house and tell you what classes to run or how to run them and all we ask is that you extend to us the same courtesy. It's that simple, you build and race cars the way you want to and we'll do the same. But if you want to come to one of our events, build a car to our rules and come race. Please don't tell us that our rules or our way of thinking are wrong or your rules are better and that things should be done this way or that way. If you want to race at one of our events build a car to our rules and come race and have a good time. It really is just that simple.

[tmr22]

I was just asking the question if we were to bring 15 or more could it be ran. That is all I asked. I was asking that question to get you more car count. There were 75 outlaw 8 scales at the Big Bill's race and I was just making a suggestion to get you more car count. If you don't want them then that is fine. We will just see if we can get a race for them over here.

[Sonny B]

Before you guys start fighting about classes and rules you may want to wait and see who the new promoter is.

It may not be who you think.

[Hconcepts]

ok Sonny.. we are all listen??

[smitty]

Tony George......he weathered the IRL/CART debacle.

Do I win, Do I win!!!!!!!

[speed4less]

Scottie Ernest

[mdibb]

SHHHH!! EVERYTHING needs to stay a secret, just know you are going to have a fantastic promoter putting on a fantastic event!!

[mdibb]

I vote for Chad Smith as rule advisor!!! All the rules could fit in one sentence.

[smitty]

You were my favorite Dibb....

[Stetler17]

There's more than one of them?

Loopedout...very good points about the advantages of offset cars and big motors on anything except a gumbo hooked up track. :thumbsup:

[FULLT1LT]

Got a question Roger, If we get 15 or more open 8 scale latemodels (like what was run in the ONS) can we run in the Chili Bowl? The offer has been given to the 8 sprints. Not wanting to start anything just a question.

Im down with that otherwise I probably wont attend the CB this year because there wont be enough classes for me to run lol lmao.Im not going to build another car or completely change mine back to loose track again.why cant they give the open cars a shot?The class may have more entries than the current class.It seems to me this is the direction most of the us is heading anyway.jmo let the flaming begin!!!!!!:ha:

[racerjmh]

The promotor is just one or two people. It takes a village to put this event on. Everything from track building/teardown, securing the site, promotion, race director, procuring sponsorships, hobby shop, and keeping all of us happy while we race our MODEL(toy) race cars. Nobody pays to get in to see us. Nobody outside of our circle of racin buds travels to see us race. And there are damn few of us who make our living with this HOBBY. Heck we are lucky we get to be a sideshow to the stuff going on at the big show next door. If I didn't spend so much on my hobby maybe me n the boy would get to go see the big show instead of cruisin the vendor show. Either way we'll be there with stuff that meets the rules and race.

Jim

[JW8]

I guess what it all boils down to is the spirit of the event and what the promoters want their event to be like. The Chili Bowl race is a specific form/style of rc event in the world of Dirt Oval. This specific event caters to a certain set of rules. The rules have been the same since the event got started. The specific nature of the event is not uncommon in RC. There are all kinds of major events that cater to specific racers. The open wheel race is a major event. Ran on foam tires and has been wildly successful. Would that event be even bigger if they allowed 1/8 LM and Sprints....maybe but that is not the type of event they look to hold or the tracks they create to race on for the event. Would the Reedy On Road Race draw more cars if they allowed Nitro Sedans...maybe but I think you see my point. These events are made for racers that race a specific type of RC cars. The promoters are looking to keep the backbone of what made their events a success. I would think that a Open LM Event in and around the Knoxville Sprint Car Nats facility would be a killer idea for a race. Really what the Chilli Bowl RC is. There was not "National" type event for Loose track NSCS rule based cars....so some people got together and made one. If it works in Tulsa is should work where there is interest in a specific type of racing. Celebrate that there are events that are getting people into Dirt Oval. If the rules look like fun come join in. The Big Bills $$$ was a huge success. I really enjoyed following the event here on DODC. Some of the NSCS racers that I have raced with attended the event and some did real well. Sounded like fun. But the rules in LM were something that I decided were not for me. Does not make them wrong or my choice not to attend the event wrong. Same really applies to the Chili Bowl. Fits what I am interested in and is an event I will attend. No right/wrong just consumer choices.

Jeff Werner

[RamRacing]

I guess what it all boils down to is the spirit of the event and what the promoters want their event to be like. The Chili Bowl race is a specific form/style of rc event in the world of Dirt Oval. This specific event caters to a certain set of rules. The rules have been the same since the event got started. The specific nature of the event is not uncommon in RC. There are all kinds of major events that cater to specific racers. The open wheel race is a major event. Ran on foam tires and has been wildly successful. Would that event be even bigger if they allowed 1/8 LM and Sprints....maybe but that is not the type of event they look to hold or the tracks they create to race on for the event. Would the Reedy On Road Race draw more cars if they allowed Nitro Sedans...maybe but I think you see my point. These events are made for racers that race a specific type of RC cars. The promoters are looking to keep the backbone of what made their events a success. I would think that a Open LM Event in and around the Knoxville Sprint Car Nats facility would be a killer idea for a race. Really what the Chilli Bowl RC is. There was not "National" type event for Loose track NSCS rule based cars....so some people got together and made one. If it works in Tulsa is should work where there is interest in a specific type of racing. Celebrate that there are events that are getting people into Dirt Oval. If the rules look like fun come join in. The Big Bills $$$ was a huge success. I really enjoyed following the event here on DODC. Some of the NSCS racers that I have raced with attended the event and some did real well. Sounded like fun. But the rules in LM were something that I decided were not for me. Does not make them wrong or my choice not to attend the event wrong. Same really applies to the Chili Bowl. Fits what I am interested in and is an event I will attend. No right/wrong just consumer choices.

Jeff Werner

Very well put Jeff.

[SCOTTY 21B]

Just to set the record straight, Scotty E & I are BOTH promoters of the Chili Bowl Jr for 2010.

Scotty & I were discussing the race this evening, & we are in agreement that there will only be ONE class of 1/8th scale late models. We will not allow the 1/8th scale sprint cars to run. Since this is a temporary track, we do not have a permanent wall system that can withstand an open wheel sprint car flipping into or over it. Sorry, but this is a safety issue.

We will have the same classes for the Chili Bowl Jr that we had this year, but we may be adding DODC 13.5 late model.

I need to speak with Howard Judd, the NSCS director, to see if this is going to be a NSCS point race.

More information to follow. Thank you, Scott Butts

[clintscreations]

Ssswwweeeetttt I get run a truck body on my truck......awsome

Now I need the number for enterprise-rent-a-sprint

Ill be set

[Doug Gaut]

Clint, wouldn't that be 1-800-DAVID-ALBERICO?

[clintscreations]

Hahaaa....or I will have to call my old fart racing contact and get the purple beast back

[hljudd]

I for one, am very happy to see that Scotty Ernst feels that the Chili Bowl Jr. is something that he wants to be associated with. Anyone that has attended an event that Scotty runs knows what he brings to the table. I've heard of people going to races that he is calling just to hear him call the race. I think he could make the sport of shooting marbles sound exciting! :thumbsup: All joking aside Scotty runs a top notch show and I think if he didn't think it was a worth while cause, he wouldn't take the time to do it. His connections in the RC world can't hurt either. I look for the 2010 Chili Bowl Jr. to be bigger and better.

[hljudd]

Ssswwweeeetttt I get run a truck body on my truck......awsome

Now I need the number for enterprise-rent-a-sprint

Ill be set


If you are referring to the truck based EDM class, NSCS nitro EDM's must run a EDM body. Sorry, but no truck bodies allowed in this class.

[Mr.Wolfman]

Great to have Scotty E. back on the mic. This is one of the premier events of the year, and with Scotty back,,,,,you know it will be electric.

See ya at the track,,,

Wolfman

[clintscreations]

If you are referring to the truck based EDM class, NSCS nitro EDM's must run a EDM body. Sorry, but no truck bodies allowed in this class.

Nope I was talking about electric, it was said a couple of pages back that electric can run a truck body

[donnie victor]

Just to set the record straight, Scotty E & I are BOTH promoters of the Chili Bowl Jr for 2010.

Scotty & I were discussing the race this evening, & we are in agreement that there will only be ONE class of 1/8th scale late models. We will not allow the 1/8th scale sprint cars to run. Since this is a temporary track, we do not have a permanent wall system that can withstand an open wheel sprint car flipping into or over it. Sorry, but this is a safety issue.

We will have the same classes for the Chili Bowl Jr that we had this year, but we may be adding DODC 13.5 late model.

I need to speak with Howard Judd, the NSCS director, to see if this is going to be a NSCS point race.

More information to follow. Thank you, Scott ButtsYes these cars can be dangerous if the throttle sticks wide open... Even a Taxi would jump the fence... LOL.
I would like to see support of both the classes, 8th 4wd Sprint and the Outlaw Late Models. The type of car most racers race is a regional thing... The exposure can do nothing but help RC racings future... Rules should not be the issue... Just my two cents..

[Eugene Ryder]

Yes these cars can be dangerous if the throttle sticks wide open... Even a Taxi would jump the fence... LOL.
I would like to see support of both the classes, 8th 4wd Sprint and the Outlaw Late Models. The type of car most racers race is a regional thing... The exposure can do nothing but help RC racings future... Rules should not be the issue... Just my two cents..

Donnie......I think I speak for a lot of people.......if you wanna run open LM and 1/8th sprints, stay in Ohio. Thanks

[SHACK]

Nope I was talking about electric, it was said a couple of pages back that electric can run a truck body

Last year the truck body or an EDM body were legal. The class was called Electric Truck.

[RamRacing]

Last year the truck body or an EDM body were legal. The class was called Electric Truck.

And that class is still the same for 2010. Electric truck/EDM class.

[hljudd]

This is just my opinion and nothing more, but I wouldn't mind seeing the Outlaw cars at the Chili Bowl running in their own class. The only problem I see with it is if the promoter says you have to have at least 15 of them show up before you can run and only 10 show up, you're going to have some guys that drove a long way and set aside vacation days for nothing. That is unless they bring other cars to run.

No matter what classes are going to be ran, I'm looking forward to seeing everyone there again in 2010 and hopefully we will see more new faces than we did in 2009.

[04Xterra]

13.5 Electric LM....hmmmmmmmm

[RamRacing]

This is just my opinion and nothing more, but I wouldn't mind seeing the Outlaw cars at the Chili Bowl running in their own class. The only problem I see with it is if the promoter says you have to have at least 15 of them show up before you can run and only 10 show up, you're going to have some guys that drove a long way and set aside vacation days for nothing. That is unless they bring other cars to run.

No matter what classes are going to be ran, I'm looking forward to seeing everyone there again in 2010 and hopefully we will see more new faces than we did in 2009.

Howard
You are making a good point. From the post that Scott made. It looks like the classes running in the 2010 Chili Bowl will be.

Nitro L8te Model (NSCS rules)
Nitro Sprint (DODC Loose dirt rules)
Electric Sprint (DODC Loose Dirt rules)
Nitro EDM (NSCS rules)
Electric Truck/EDM (NSCS rules)
Its has not yet been decided but is being dicussed to add the 13.5 Late model(DODC rules)

No other class will be added for the 2010 race

[Hconcepts]

o0o i got's a question, what chassis do you use to run 13.5 class?? Thanks

[donnie victor]

Donnie......I think I speak for a lot of people.......if you wanna run open LM and 1/8th sprints, stay in Ohio. ThanksI speak for alot of people also E.... when we do run the Open LM's and Sprints we wont raise the entry fee at sign up.... and if we get more the 75 entries the pay out for first will be more than gas money... LOL

[RamRacing]

o0o i got's a question, what chassis do you use to run 13.5 class?? Thanks

Hey Brian
I am not sure what all chassis that it includes. But I do know that Custom Works has a new chassis out for that class.

[Hconcepts]

Oh, i was hopeing a could convert my rc10B4 buggy to Oval and put a Latemodel body on it!!

[RamRacing]

Oh, i was hopeing a could convert my rc10B4 buggy to Oval and put a Latemodel body on it!!

You might be able to do that. The best thing to do is go to rules page of DODC and look under 13.5 and see what all it says. I just know that if the class is added, That those rules will be used.

[plipitkc]

Mike / Donnie,

Same deal as last year, if you need a ride and I have the extra chassis or give up my ride, you will be welcome to drive it. Just bring back the steering wheel and a BIG smile!

Dr Phil

[Eugene Ryder]

and if we get more the 75 entries

Don't worry, that won't happen.........the ONS was a good idea........I hope it goes over better, next year......I hope you can make it to the Chili Bowl.......see ya in Tulsa.

[Joey Hornick]

I'm curious to see what the rules are going to be for next year and compare them to the previous years. Whats the timeline on that Scott? I'm glad to run with the guys that race the NSCS and SNS because we all race for the fun of it and most of us don't go out and spend 1k per car on tricked our chassis or special motors. We've all seen the types of cars that have won this race in the past:
2008 - Ronnie Richardson (OFNA Ravager) (OFNA Force .28)
2009 - Doug Gaut (Losi 8ight) (Dynamite Platinum .21)

Who will it be in 2010? We had a lot of great drivers show up last year for the 1/8th LM class from several states and I don't believe there was any issues other than the one tire issue (which I believe was handled quickly by the manufacturer.)

Maybe we just need to get Brad Dyer and Ronnie back online to start some smack talk again since that seemed more entertaining then the continued questions about what about this....what about this....what about this...... :)

[donnie victor]

E. clean out you PMs so I am able to enlighten you....

[Eugene Ryder]

E. clean out you PMs so I am able to enlighten you....

I have enough to do........just let the NSCS guys worry about the Chili Bowl and you worry about the ONS and both will benefit........

I don't need enlightened........I don't wanna go back to school just to figure out what you are trying to tell me........cause most of what you say, to me, is hard to understand........take the side dam off your car and go race the chili bowl........should be a good one.......Tulsa or Bust......

[donnie victor]

Maybe you should attend a refresher course on your manners....

[RamRacing]

I have enough to do........just let the NSCS guys worry about the Chili Bowl and you worry about the ONS and both will benefit........

I don't need enlightened........I don't wanna go back to school just to figure out what you are trying to tell me........cause most of what you say, to me, is hard to understand........take the side dam off your car and go race the chili bowl........should be a good one.......Tulsa or Bust......

Hey Eugene
I just want to first off say I am sorry for the little spat we had at Bill's. And second thank you for having an open mind about the rules that we will be running at the Chili Bowl. I look forward to racing with you again.

[RamRacing]

Maybe you should attend a refresher course on your manners....

Donnie
Dont take this the wrong way. But please go somewhere eles to argue with Eugene. There has been enough negative talk on this Chili Bowl thread. Thank you

[donnie victor]

I will try my best to make the Chili Bowl Jr. race, hope to see everyone there...

[plipitkc]

Joey,

Its too early for Smack Talk or predictions. But I will say this 2010 will be a new year.

Later and Happy Racing.

Phil

[RichardsonRacng]

I'm curious to see what the rules are going to be for next year and compare them to the previous years. Whats the timeline on that Scott? I'm glad to run with the guys that race the NSCS and SNS because we all race for the fun of it and most of us don't go out and spend 1k per car on tricked our chassis or special motors. We've all seen the types of cars that have won this race in the past:
2008 - Ronnie Richardson (OFNA Ravager) (OFNA Force .28)
2009 - Doug Gaut (Losi 8ight) (Dynamite Platinum .21)

Who will it be in 2010? We had a lot of great drivers show up last year for the 1/8th LM class from several states and I don't believe there was any issues other than the one tire issue (which I believe was handled quickly by the manufacturer.)

Maybe we just need to get Brad Dyer and Ronnie back online to start some smack talk again since that seemed more entertaining then the continued questions about what about this....what about this....what about this...... :)


I agree.....Bench racing is entertaining and builds HYPE, which is what you want, not GRIPE!!! To much talk about rules, but hey, my golf game is improving! LOL


In 2008 preceeding the 1st Chili Bowl everyone was excited and seemed anxious to race. Now everyone sucks all the fun out of it in my opinion by the CONSTANT debating over rules and classes. You got guys like Donnie Victor who always want to make jabs at what works for others calling them Taxis. When you guys walk off the drivers stand are you thinking about the fun you just had.......I don't think so....:thumbsdown:

Lighten up and enjoy the hobby you chose to participate in. Take it for wha tit is. Everyone has the perfect solution to make it better or why it;s not better....ITS TOY CAR RACING GUYS!!!!! Stay competetive while enjoying it, not picking it to pieces...

[tmr22]

I am not complaining about the rules. What you have is what you have. If you want to race that way then by all means run it that way. Everyone should keep their opinions to themselves and let the NSCS officials make the rules for their events. It is our decision to go and run in their series if we want and we will have to abide by those rules. This thread is about the Chili Bowl only and not what other people think the rules need to be. I know I won't be going to the race because it does not allow the car I build and race.

[donnie victor]

Dang Ronnie blame it all on me... We all take jabs at each other on here. I am not the only one that has used the Taxi vs Rocket comment... I will admit my sense of humor is different than yours but it is not to be taking so serious... They are toy cars and the most you can win is a trophy or a couple hundred dollars. So there is no need to get so bent.. My interest in dirt oval racing goes back ten years before you were even born. So lighten up you will have more fun with us and this sport...;)

[Offutt Racing]

Howard
You are making a good point. From the post that Scott made. It looks like the classes running in the 2010 Chili Bowl will be.

Nitro L8te Model (NSCS rules)
Nitro Sprint (DODC Loose dirt rules)
Electric Sprint (DODC Loose Dirt rules)
Nitro EDM (NSCS rules)
Electric Truck/EDM (NSCS rules)
Its has not yet been decided but is being dicussed to add the 13.5 Late model(DODC rules)

No other class will be added for the 2010 race


Any decision on the 13.5 Late Model class yet?

If allowed does that mean we have to run a DODC lipo 3200mah?

Electric Class Rules
http://www.dirtoval.com/images/dotted600.gif
Motors & Batteries



13.5 Spec: DirtOval.com SPEC 13.5 MOTORS and DirtOval.com SPEC Li-Po 3200mah batteries are the only motors and batteries legal for this class. Sensored speed controls only. Spec motors and batteries will be available for purchase by November 1, 2008.

Thanks
Gary

[RamRacing]

Any decision on the 13.5 Late Model class yet?

If allowed does that mean we have to run a DODC lipo 3200mah?

Electric Class Rules
http://www.dirtoval.com/images/dotted600.gif
Motors & Batteries



13.5 Spec: DirtOval.com SPEC 13.5 MOTORS and DirtOval.com SPEC Li-Po 3200mah batteries are the only motors and batteries legal for this class. Sensored speed controls only. Spec motors and batteries will be available for purchase by November 1, 2008.

Thanks
Gary

Gary
It is still not decided yet if the class will be ran. And if i had to guess. They will not require the stickered motor and battery. But NOTHING has been decided yet.

[Mr.Wolfman]

I'm just looking forward to racing there again,,,,,you make the rules we will bring the fun..

HOOOWWWWLLL

wolfman

[ron1950]

so what are the offical dates of the chilli bowl jr raceing now? i dont have the time or energy to read 8 pages and they are all argueing about the dates on a local web site here in ms......thanks...ron

[blindman23]

so what are the offical dates of the chilli bowl jr raceing now? i dont have the time or energy to read 8 pages and they are all argueing about the dates on a local web site here in ms......thanks...ron

I believe it should be January 13th to 15th, wednesday thru friday. That would put it at the same days as the big chili bowl atleast!

[Doug Gaut]

http://www.chilibowl.com/home.asp?uUrl=8/25/200968201.2

Blindman is right.

[RandyJ]

Well, whatever the decision is on rules, I bought a stock Losi L8 to run Chili Bowl. I will be there for work for the big cars and I am not coming there without a car to race.:thumbsup:

[RandyJ]

Any of you running a L8, ever tried the RC4Less springs? What combo worked? I want to buy them for more options.

[loopedout]

Doug Gaut runs the rc4less springs, I use them on my car and I like them. Prob 95% of the late models at the CBJ will be a L8.

[RandyJ]

Cool man. Do you mind telling which ones you run and where? I am just want ting to do alot of testing before then and want to try some things back to back.

[loopedout]

I use whites on the rear and red or green up front, thats on my Caster car which seems to favor a setup much like what worked on my L8.

[RandyJ]

Thank you sir. That will give me a starting point.

[Joey Hornick]

I agree.....Bench racing is entertaining and builds HYPE, which is what you want, not GRIPE!!! To much talk about rules, but hey, my golf game is improving! LOL

Not sure I would agree with your golf game getting better. When we played a year ago you seemed to be more accurate in your shots. I think you need to turn around a few times first. There is a few dirt ovals around you can do that at.....:)

[RichardsonRacng]

But i do recall beating you......;):beer:

[Wayne3]

Will the track this year be the same size as previous years or will the track size (race line) vary?

[RamRacing]

Will the track this year be the same size as previous years or will the track size (race line) vary?

Our goal is to be just alittle larger (220 to 250 track line). But I would lean more to say it will be about the same size, But more banking in the corners. When building a track in one day. We have to take what we end up with and make it the best we can get.

[Lars Johnson]

If anyone is interested, we just booked our hotel for the Chili Bowl this week, thru travelocity.com at the Baymont Inn & Suites on E Skelly Drive (Yale and I-44) - $47/night. We paid $65/night there last year. 4 miles south of the fairgrounds on Yale, maybe 10 minutes from the track, 15-20 from the airport.

[Wayne3]

Thanks for the track size info and Lars for the hotel info, I have read multiple date combination's and since we are driving from Louisiana I would like to know...what day does the Chili Bowl Jr. start racing, and will the day before be available for practice, if so, what day will that be...thank you...

[RamRacing]

Thanks for the track size info and Lars for the hotel info, I have read multiple date combination's and since we are driving from Louisiana I would like to know...what day does the Chili Bowl Jr. start racing, and will the day before be available for practice, if so, what day will that be...thank you...

The way it was last yr
Monday- Track being built
Tuesday- Open practice
Wed- First day of racing

So I would say it should be the same again. Unless something causes a change to happen. And we will give the info out as soon as we get it.

[Mr.Wolfman]

Who is running the show this year?

[hljudd]

What I've heard is that Scotty Ernst and Scott Butts are promoting the show this year with the absense of James Hoover. I don't know if the NSCS and I will be involved in the 2010 show or not. No one has approached me at this point about rules enforcement or teching of the cars.

[Hconcepts]

what tires can you use on 1/8 Latemodels??

[Mr.Wolfman]

lots of rumors about who is going to run the show,,,,let us know when it is in writing.

[RamRacing]

what tires can you use on 1/8 Latemodels??

Same as last yr Ofna and Losi

[Hconcepts]

;) okie dokie

[RamRacing]

lots of rumors about who is going to run the show,,,,let us know when it is in writing.

What is the rumor saying. Cant answer on the rumor if we dont know what the rumor is.

[Joey Hornick]

I talked to Scotty Ernst a few weeks ago and he is promoting the show. He is currently in Vegas at a show.

[RamRacing]

I talked to Scotty Ernst a few weeks ago and he is promoting the show. He is currently in Vegas at a show.

Thats kinda funny Joey when this was posted back on the 19th.


"Official announcement"
Just to set the record straight, Scotty E & I are BOTH promoters of the Chili Bowl Jr for 2010.

Scotty & I were discussing the race this evening, & we are in agreement that there will only be ONE class of 1/8th scale late models. We will not allow the 1/8th scale sprint cars to run. Since this is a temporary track, we do not have a permanent wall system that can withstand an open wheel sprint car flipping into or over it. Sorry, but this is a safety issue.

We will have the same classes for the Chili Bowl Jr that we had this year, but we may be adding DODC 13.5 late model.

I need to speak with Howard Judd, the NSCS director, to see if this is going to be a NSCS point race.

More information to follow. Thank you, Scott Butts

[Joey Hornick]

Glad I was able to post something funny for you Rodger. Just saw people keep asking about who was running it so not sure why you didn't jump in their earlier. I was only posting what I knew firsthand after talking with Scotty.

I'll let you continue to fill everyone in on the NSCS.......

[RamRacing]

Glad I was able to post something funny for you Rodger. Just saw people keep asking about who was running it so not sure why you didn't jump in their earlier. I was only posting what I knew firsthand after talking with Scotty.

I'll let you continue to fill everyone in on the NSCS.......
The thing is Joey. I havent filled in anything for the NSCS. That belongs to Howard. But when it comes to the Chilli Bowl. I have been getting the info from ONE of the two Promoters before I post anything. So that is why I stated the it seemed kinda funny that you were told that. I guess that the 2 Promoters need to get the rumer straighten out and post on here. And that includes Scotty E. Cause Scott Butts has made his statement regarding it.

My only worry is, if this doesnt get resolved, There may not even be a Chilli Bowl. And I sure dont want to see that happen.

[Wayne3]

what a let down...so much for class growth...

[mdibb]

easy tigers!! Scotty has been in contact with the lady in charge of the building to get things staightened out, he has tried to get on here to post but has been having issues with the website. Things seem slow because he is putting on a race in Vegas right now that is completely in charge of and has been busy over the past months. So after this week you guys should start hearing more. Relax it's September!!!

[plipitkc]

Does anyone think its about time to start a NEW section specific to the 2010 Chilli Bowl, regardless of whether it comes to past or not.

Phil

[hljudd]

Guys there will be a 2010 Chili Bowl Jr. Here are a few things I know. Hoover told me that he reserved the building before this year's race was even over. I talked to Scott Butts yesterday and he reaffirmed the fact that he and Mr. Ernst will be co-promoting the 2010 race. The 2010 race will be a NSCS points race for all NSCS classes and it may possibly be a national points race for DODC for the Sprint Cars. The NSCS will once again be in charge of teching the cars and enforcing the rules.

[mdibb]

I know this isn't the spot but this is important to my decision.

Are sedan shocks with Dynotech shock towers nscs legal?

I need a real answer not a guess. In the 2009 rules it looks like it but I have not seen the 2010

[hljudd]

The 2010 rules will prohibit 1/10th scale sedan shocks.

[mdibb]

Thank you for your response.

[plipitkc]

Howard,

I don't mean to stick my nose in where it probably doesn't belong and I probably missed something in the passages I read but doesn't the legality of the sedan shocks and towers depend on which classs we are discussing. If it doesn't, then several people are going to be rethinking.

Phil

[RamRacing]

Howard,

I don't mean to stick my nose in where it probably doesn't belong and I probably missed something in the passages I read but doesn't the legality of the sedan shocks and towers depend on which classs we are discussing. If it doesn't, then several people are going to be rethinking.

Phil

Phil
Howard is referring to 1/8 scales. If I am not mistaken. All sprint cars will follow DODC rules.

[Hconcepts]

WoW.. 9 pages of the same thing over and over.. Need to say the RULES ARE NOT COMING OUT TILL........ ( some kind of date )..

[hljudd]

He asked about dynotech shock towers and touring car shocks, to me that meant 1/8th scale.............

Besides, 1/8th scale are the only rules being questioned these days. Sprint car and everything else has been pretty much set for years without question.

[plipitkc]

Thanks Howard.

He asked about dynotech shock towers and touring car shocks, to me that meant 1/8th scale.............

Besides, 1/8th scale are the only rules being questioned these days. Sprint car and everything else has been pretty much set for years without question.

[IDRC]

I would like to see the CB become the best event of the year, were all the racers from all parts of the country come come together. It could be a true naitional event. It would have have its own set of rules that would allow all to race. It shouldn't be tied to any one series. I would also like to see it tied into the big event, this would really help in the growth of this hobby.
This event has the posibility to be the biggest and greatest event of the year.

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