Brushless Motors Have Arrived

[Todd Putnam]

Finally, after months of rules changes, the 10.5 and 13.5 Brushless Motors have arrived and are now available.

Retail Price is $80.00

[ericsalvas]

pm sent

[Cfrank40]

Todd,

PM sent, thanks.

Frank

[Todd Putnam]

First Race Results In...

Eric and Steve Salvas Qualify 1-2 and finish 1-2 @ Chico's Sunday with the new 13.5's, running faster than their Novak 13.5's as well as the brushed 19 turns they raced against.

Nice job guys!:thumbsup:

[curtisp]

Todd,

I'm a newbie when it comes to brushless. How about some more info on your motors? Are they sensored or sensorless? What are the different motors that you have available?

thanks,
Curt

[Todd Putnam]

Motors are Sensored. Available in 10.5, 13.5 and 17.5 stocks, and Mods from 3.0-9.5 in 1/2 turn increments.

[racer34v]

i guess i am confused on how one type of 13.5 brushless motor can be faster than another 13.5.....? wasnt that the point of going brushless a couple years back?

[Todd Putnam]

i guess i am confused on how one type of 13.5 brushless motor can be faster than another 13.5.....? wasnt that the point of going brushless a couple years back?

Whoops- wrong button...

No. The popularity and main selling point of brushless motors has always been the fact they are less maintainance then brushed motors.

With any manufactured product, there are so many variables, such as magnet material, can material, etc; that will determine the overall performance.

The brushless technology is different than say a brushed 19 turn or stock motor, but there will always be variables that will dictate which will perform better than others. Example: All brushed stock motors were built using the same ROAR specs, but the Japanese company Tokyo Mecs (Epic/Trinity) built a far superior product than Sagami (Yokomo/Reedy) for years, based on the materials that were utilized and how they utilized them.

Feel free to call me at the shop M-F, 9-5 EST and we can discuss this in more detail...

[racer34v]

Aha..... Good answer...... I thought it was to bring more of a spec feel back to the stock classes. I was misinformed.


Thanks
Alan
:tire::tire:

[Mave88]

I checked your web site for more info on yopur brushless motors and couldn't find anything.
What speedo do you recommend to run with your brushless motors? I'm thinking of getting
the 10.5 motor.


Thanks,
Rick

[Todd Putnam]

I checked your web site for more info on yopur brushless motors and couldn't find anything.
What speedo do you recommend to run with your brushless motors? I'm thinking of getting
the 10.5 motor.


Thanks,
Rick

Rick,
Our new website is done yet, they will be on there when it is.

For speed controls, I suggest either the LRP TC Spec or the Tekin RS or RS Pro. :thumbsup:

[Mave88]

Todd,
Thanks for information, are your brushless motors available yet? and were can we go to get
your motors from i.e. greatplanes or horizon.

[Todd Putnam]

Todd,
Thanks for information, are your brushless motors available yet? and were can we go to get
your motors from i.e. greatplanes or horizon.

Brushless Mod Motors have been available since February, Stocks, (10.5, 13.5, 17.5) have been available since June.

Order direct from us-M-F, 9-5 EST

Thanks,
Todd Putnam
Putnam Propulsion
518-452-0422

[04Xterra]

Rick,
Our new website is done yet, they will be on there when it is.

For speed controls, I suggest either the LRP TC Spec or the Tekin RS or RS Pro. :thumbsup:

Would the Novak GTB work with your brushless mod motors? I've also got a LRP Sphere (not TC Spec), would this work as well? Basically what I'm asking is would I cause any damage to either esc or motor if I ran this combination?

[Todd Putnam]

Would the Novak GTB work with your brushless mod motors? I've also got a LRP Sphere (not TC Spec), would this work as well? Basically what I'm asking is would I cause any damage to either esc or motor if I ran this combination?

No, both will work fine with our Mod motors. The Sphere is a TC Spec minus the factory mounted heatsink and fan.

[tyler]

what about a momba max esc would your brushless?

[Todd Putnam]

what about a momba max esc would your brushless?

Not sure what exactly you're asking, but if you are asking if a Mamba Max speed control is compatible with our brushless motors, read their manual. If it works with sensored motors, than I would guess it should be fine.

They are not legal for our racing per the sanctioning bodies we race under, therefore I am unfamiliar with the Castle units, and am really not certain. Again, be sure to check the instruction manual or with Castle Creations-:thumbsup:

[tyler]

not legal why?????????

[signman501]

not legal why?????????

Most of our local sanctioning bodies do not allow esc's that can be plugged into a computer at this time. Also you may find that the sensored motors may cause a problem cogging using the mamba max until you get the program perfectly setup.

[Todd Putnam]

Tyler: signman nailed it... any speedo that can be computer programmed have been deemed illegal. That's why I am unfamiliar with the Castle Creation units, as I have never had one out here to play with.

Most competition-oriented speed control companies have sent me speed controllers to test, run with our motors, as well as perform R&D to give them feed back.

I really like the LRP Shere's / TC Specs, they have added the additional profiles from the older units, and are the easiest to use with both brushed and brushless. I have a couple of Tekin RS Pro's I am playing with. Much smaller than the LRP, but need to be reprogrammed when switching between brushed to brushless.

I will be testing the new Xcelorin speedo from Losi as soon as they arrive.

This does bring up an excellent question for the markets/areas where the Mambas are legal. I will have to look into it. LMK what you find out in the meantime-:thumbsup:

[04Xterra]

No, both will work fine with our Mod motors. The Sphere is a TC Spec minus the factory mounted heatsink and fan.

Excellent!! Thanks for the info and I look forward to running Putnam power!!

[tyler]

Most of our local sanctioning bodies do not allow esc's that can be plugged into a computer at this time. Also you may find that the sensored motors may cause a problem cogging using the mamba max until you get the program perfectly setup.





and thats why i like it so much verry easy to change the set up:thumbsup:

[Todd Putnam]

We rec'd a shipment of 13.5's and 17.5's...get 'em while they last!

[Doug Carter]

Tyler: signman nailed it... any speedo that can be computer programmed have been deemed illegal.

Aren't all of the Tekin ESCs controllable with the HotWire setup system? Wouldn't that deem those all illegal?

The Mamba ESCs are all sensorless, too. They wouldn't work with any sensored motor like these.




Hmmm... I'm thinking a nice 3-turn would look good in my 4S Top Fuel car, Todd. :D How much voltage have you tested those motors to? I know some guys have run the Tekin motors on 6S Lipos which is an insane 22.2v without issues. Have you run them in on anything more than 7.4v?

[Miller Time]

The Mamba ESCs are all sensorless, too. They wouldn't work with any sensored motor like these.



Most (if not all) sensorless ESC will run Sensored based motors. They are the same motors just with hall sensors on the sensored motors and the Sensorless units use software to 'predict' what the rotor position is. The Sensorless ESC just ignores the sensors.

[c3fly]

Todd, are the Tekin programable ECS that Doug references legal to race in your area??

Why were programmable ESCs made illegal in the first place?? Because you can program in certain characteristics?? What’s next.............you can't use any radio that allows you to change throttle and brake curves and limit current to the motor???? :confused:

Jeff

[Todd Putnam]

Jeff,

Don't shoot the messenger- I didn't write the rules, I just have to play them. ;)

I think the idea behind it was to keep the costs down and the technology somewhat simplified, but that's speculation at best. That question would be for the sanctioning bodies...:thumbsup:

[Bulldog_Wally14]

Todd is correct. When we first allowed brushless motors last year the intent was that since the technology seemed to appeal more to the "hobby" type racer than to the "cut throat" type racer, I felt it was proper to limit things to keep it simple and to keep costs down. I did not want these guys to feel like the HAD to go out and dump 2 bills on the latest and greatest in order to be competitive and have a level playing field.

At the same time, I needed a starting point for rules, so I turned to the Brushless Racing League, who successfully hold pancar races in the midwest. They have an approved list of ESCs, none of which are computer programable.

Now that the brushless stuff has really taken off in the area (we in the northeast are VERY resistant to change), and even the top racers are diving into the brushless arena, 2009 will see a change to this rule.

[c3fly]

Guys, thanks for the information!

Todd, pistol was always holstered, no harm intended.....:D

Hopefully one of your 17.5 BL motors will work with my Mamba...........expect to see an order soon.

Jeff

[tyler]

Todd is correct. When we first allowed brushless motors last year the intent was that since the technology seemed to appeal more to the "hobby" type racer than to the "cut throat" type racer, I felt it was proper to limit things to keep it simple and to keep costs down. I did not want these guys to feel like the HAD to go out and dump 2 bills on the latest and greatest in order to be competitive and have a level playing field.

At the same time, I needed a starting point for rules, so I turned to the Brushless Racing League, who successfully hold pancar races in the midwest. They have an approved list of ESCs, none of which are computer programable.

Now that the brushless stuff has really taken off in the area (we in the northeast are VERY resistant to change), and even the top racers are diving into the brushless arena, 2009 will see a change to this rule.




trying to keep cost down? funny seeing that the novak cost more than the momba?