Chili Bowl Race

[racerjmh]

Trying to do some advance planning. Any news on if this race is happening this year?

Jim

[dozer9]

It was announced this past weekend at the NSCS race that it was going to happen. They gave the dates but I dont remember what they were sorry.

[Joey Hornick]

Jan 14-16th is the dates that were announced. We talked to Brian a few weeks ago and it would be nice if it was only a two day show so that a lot more of the racers could make it. Some of them don't have the luxery of taking off for three days of racing, not to mention hotel rooms.

[Doug Gaut]

I agree a two day deal would be better to get more entries. The other thing is, having to be done by a certain time each day. How many of the racers actually went over to the races every night? If there was no cut-off time the program could be ran in two days easily. Run practice Wednesday night and Thursday morning, then run three heats on Thursday and one more on Friday and then the mains. Just some thoughts.

[Offutt Racing]

Yes I also like the two day event ideal. Are they still planning on running the same classes?

[racerjmh]

Is it mainly Brian Rainbolt's deal or a joint venture again?

[gonzo]

Doug,
I went over to the big track every night!

I understand that a 2 day show may be more feasable for a greater number of racers but at the same time I am sure that quite a few that would travel over would appreciate being able to attend the events at the big track also.

I am sure that a reasonable schedule can be formed in order to accommodate everyone.

See everyone there!

Lee

[Doug Gaut]

Thats because you da man! ;) Jeff and I went one night and it was pretty cool.

Whatever happens is fine as long as the event takes place. Its just that some of the guys I race with here in Kansas could not go for that many days. If it was only a two day event they thought they would be able to go is all.

[gonzo]

That is totally understandable. It would just be nice to get the program done each evening at a reasonable time in case some of the R/Cers wish to go see the bigger cars too.

First and foremost is to hope that this series can continue to grow. If that means running until 10 at night in order to run a program for 200 people in 2 days than that is most important.

Heck if we get that many entries/heats, I'll have time to run over and watch a few hears/mains at the big track between my R/C heats anyway!

Lee

[jhoover74]

This is a NSCS Race, Brian Rainbolt just supplying the spare parts for the race. If you have any questions you need answereed directly dont hesitate to ask. I like seeing all the questions and concerns that you all have such as wanting a 2 day race, NSCS and sponsors will take this into advisement in our planning of next years race

James

[ecracer44]

First I would like to say thank you to james hoover, brian rainbolt, scott butts, "TYRANICAL" terry downing, and any body else who was involved in getting this awesome classic rolling!!!

I think the idea of a two day show is great, because the first day at this years show was like " a duck fart in the wind" . It was done and gone befor you could get a feel for the track.
Having an entire day of practice would allow plenty of rubber to be put down for the days of heats and mains. :greenflag:

[RichardsonRacng]

I'm definitely for the 2 day show also! Much easier to plan for. More people will go that aren't planning on going to the midgets every night. :thumbsup:

[racerjmh]

Just bumpin this back up to see if there is anymore info/buzz about it.

Jim

[RichardsonRacng]

I'm looking forward to it already! I think it will prove to be even bigger and better this year.

Just for talk, im wondering what the treack crew is planning to do different this year to keep it wet and loose instead of letting it go dry like last year? O rwill it be ran dry? Not complaining, i just know last year the intent was to water and eventually it was let go so the rubber could be laid down because it wasn't taking the water.. Any different plans or dirt?

[tmr22]

I would like to know what motels are in the area so I can get my reservation in before they all get booked up for the midget race.

[races65]

You better hurry Tim

[tmr22]

I would if I can get some info.

[wobitz]

Having an entire day of practice would allow plenty of rubber to be put down for the days of heats and mains. :greenflag:
Just my 2 cents but I hope that it DOES NOT turn into a rubber down track again.:thumbsup:

[Jeff Harper]

I heard from the guys working the track this year that it will be kept watered and they will not let it dry out and take rubber like last year.

[hljudd]

I would like to know what motels are in the area so I can get my reservation in before they all get booked up for the midget race.


Go to any of the chain websites like Super 8 or Days Inn and look in towns like Broken Arrow, Glen Pool some of the surrounding towns. You'll find plenty of rooms and a better price. These towns are like 15 to 20 miles from the fair grounds....if you don't mind 15 minute drive to the track. I know last year they had a NSCS race at Adams Creek and it was the same weekend as the PGA Championship and all the motels were full. I had to stay in Muskogee....30 miles away. But that was better than paying $150 per night in Tulsa.

[Allan Webster]

Hotels are tough during that week. if you plan on attending at all, I strongly encourage you to reserve a room then cancel at the last minute if need be.

I know my g/f reserves room basically a day or two after the event for the next year. She typically puts her dad there at the microtel? Saves on a rental car.

Looking forward to running this year. Two years ago I bought all sorts of stuff thinking it was on. Then, it got called off. Last year I was working, flew in Fri afternoon to watch what was left and the r/c racing was over.

This year I'm hoping to be there for the week and run my stuff.

Should make for long days working on little cars during the day and lil' bigger cars at night.

Also, grand stand seats are always sold out, but you have been able to get pit passes for the night and/or week I believe. They have great jumbo trons.

Doug Gaut, we seriously have to meet face to face this year.

al

[Holt Graphics]

I would if I can get some info.

Most of the Tulsa area motels will be booked for the Chili Bowl Midget race. But you might try some in Broken Arrow. About 10-15 from the race venue. Two I would try are the BEST WESTERN KENOSHA INN...and the CLARION HOTEL. Both are right on the highway to go to the track. The BEST WESTERN is about 1 mile from BAss Pro Shop...and lots of good eating places around it......

Hope this helps

Jason Holt
Holt Racing Graphics is now on myspace!
http://myspace.com/holtracinggraphics

[tmr22]

Thanks guys. I have my room reserved at the Best Western Kenosha. See you all in January.

[fastlayne]

I heard from the guys working the track this year that it will be kept watered and they will not let it dry out and take rubber like last year.
Just wondring why some of you do not like a track with rubber. Is It because the race is suppost to be loose dirt? I like it when a track takes rubber. Just wondering what some may say on this.s

layne.

[RichardsonRacng]

I've always felt if we want to be stuck like chuck we should lay down some carpet and get after it!:redyellow:

It ain't dirt racin' if you not turnin' right midway through the corner!:tire:

jmo's!!!!!!!!!

[Jeff Harper]

Just wondring why some of you do not like a track with rubber. Is It because the race is suppost to be loose dirt? I like it when a track takes rubber. Just wondering what some may say on this.s

layne.

Well I think some of it has to do with the fact that most of the racing around the Tulsa area is on loose dirt tracks on buggy tires so the majority of the racers dont normally run on a blue groove track (with the exception of the OKC guys that dont run sprint cars and edms).

I know last year the intention was not for the track to turn out like it did. Maybe it was the dirt, the equipment readily available or time constraints but anyway, it was decided to let it take rubber and go with it. The racing was still pretty good all things considered. It was pretty abrasive on our buggy tires but that was to be expected with that surface. The 1/8 scale cars really didnt have a good showing last year, I think because most of the racers where new to that class as it was just getting popular here and the track was very high bite in the "groove" and out of the groove it was dry slick and soo many of the guys where just driving way too hard, missing the groove and hitting the wall and everything else. Still yet, I thought it was an awsome event and I am sure it will be even better this year.

I personally enjoy the challenge of setup with loose dirt racing and the fact that horsepower doesnt play a factor (not that I have anything against horsepower LOL). I also cant imagine not "sliding it in" at least a little bit (nothing dirty there!).

[slufoot78]

I was told it will be moist loose dirt everyday, They are gonna really try to keep on top of it this year. Think they are planning on tillin it up everynight to allow it to take water. Instead of trying to water a hard packed bluegroove track. Even heard talk that the track was gonna have the bottom groove pretty flat with mid to high line corner banking to help keep it from being a one groove track. They are gonna have the building a few more days this time I think so gives them a few more days to work with track unlike last year when it was built the day before races. Looking forward to good times as last year... Everyone have a great day... Patrick

Backyard Racing Chassis
Holt Graphics Broken Arrow

[RichardsonRacng]

Last year did prove to favor the okc guys with the experience on the blue groove and dust out of the groove. No more time than they spent biulding the track, i thought it turned out really good. A loose wet track will definitely be nice for the sprints and edm's and will show a different type of 1/8 lm racing. Hopefully we will know soon if one-ways will be leagal???????????????????????????and the rest of the NEW rules for the 09 season???????????????????????????

[Joey Hornick]

I'm curious if once the build the track if it will be open for practice or if it will be closed until a scheduled time. I know that some drivers were able to run on it earlier than others and I'd just like to know when will we be able to run some laps on it. If they get the building on Monday and build it that day and the next, would we be free to run on it Tuesday night before races start on Wednesday or has it been considered a better option to have only two days of racing to allow more racers off from their jobs and less of an expense on trying to get hotel rooms during one of the best midget races?

[Doug Gaut]

Scott Butts told me last night that it will be a three day event but here is the plan and it will allow for guys to show up for just two days if they want to.

Wednesday - practice, single car qualifying and one round of heats.
Thursday - two rounds of qualifying with a resort between round 2 and 3
Friday - one round of qualifying and mains

[RichardsonRacng]

I had a blast last year but still vote for a 2 day show to help racers on travel expense. Do think we would get a better car count. But either way, im doing my best to make it back. This year the late model class will be stocked!!! Going to be tough just to make the show!

[hljudd]

Hey Ronnie, if you look at the race schedule you'll notice that the folks that just want to come for 2 days will still be able to get in 3 rounds of quals and the mains.:thumbsup: They did that by design for the folks that can only come for 2 days.

[RichardsonRacng]

After i first saw the schedule i thought you would still have a hard time getting a good qualy because if you miss wed and the 1st round of heats you will start in teh slower heats on day 2. Even with a resort on day 2 you would have to work harder, but then again, 3 rounds should be enough to make it through if your fast enough. :thumbsup: Providing there will be ample practice time on Thur so late comers won't have to go straight into there heats???

[Doug Gaut]

Scott said there is not going to be a 4pm curfew and the track will be open till 6pm each night. Guys that want to hit the Chili Bowl can still make the start time this way but with the extra two hours there should be plenty of time for practice.:thumbsup:

[RichardsonRacng]

Mr. Butts......

Are you going to discuss the rules for next years 1/8 lm class? Or do you already have something set up? I know it's not here yet, but it's 3 short months away. Plenty of time to start getting issues on the "voting block" for last seasons class participants, and future participents from this area. If you are up to a vote and would like some issues laid on the table to be considered, there are a few of us from last season that have some ideas of what needs to be voted on. Not to get it our way, but to let the majority rule and keep this growing class as popular and the car count as high as possible. I believe the majority of the mid-west racers would like to see this class kept close to it's roots! I know there are many out there with concerns, but only a few speaking on them.. I will kick it off with a couple of issues that need "considered" or voted on to apease the class racers so we can all agree and keep the class fun and politic free to resemble the 08' season. We need to get it all out on the table so everyone knows where the rules stand and we can get them behind us and JUST GO RACING!!! I hope this isn't out of line! Just feel like it needs to be done with all of the worries and gripes out there in this class. This isn't a way to make a bunch of rules to kill the class, but a way to keep it the way that got us here or please the most whichever way it may fall. I just hope guys look at at consider long term affects of their decisions.

Please respond with other issues that need voted on, series participants only and racers that plan on attending NSCS events only please!!!! These rules may not work in all areas, but we need to do what's best for ours!



1) diffs only with exception of center spool to accommodate some box kits, or no diff rule which will allow the use of one-ways and torsen diffs, or no one-ways since there not available to all makes of cars at this time but torsens and center spools legal


2a) any molded body, or any 1/8 lm body including fabricated bodies
2b) can cut out all windows, or can only cut out or make holes in front window


3) any rubber street tread tire, or use current tire only from 08" season


I know this only scratches the surface and i've talked to several with great ideas! Can't always get your way but it would be great if we could get everyones thoughts together and vote on the most important issues.

I realize not many of the nscs racers read this, so it would nice if Scott could bring it up at some of the local races to the local crowd and weekly club racers for there thoughts and votes.

Doug, I hope to see your thoughts, there not gripes just your opinions and concerns you see going into the future. We all have diferent outlooks, but it's nice sometimes to hear and think about things from a different perspective, all may not agree but many respect them.

(to all mid west racers, hope you think this is a good idea and not out of line!)

My only goal with this class is to help keep it around for a long time to come with a good car count and have several nearby places to go race as well with a similar set of rules that will promote some light travel for series such as the NSCS.

[BIGDOG 33C]

well i think leave the 1/8th scales alone please

[Higman Racing]

I want to run elec sprint car who do i contact?

[RichardsonRacng]

Guys, I posted this before i saw we have a panel of guys that was going to "speak for us". guess it doesn't matter anymore. We will wait and see what hey think is best for us.:rolleyes:

[UltraLine Motorsports]

Will it be rubber tire again this year for electirc Sprints? Or will you open it up to foams?

Thanks.

[Allan Webster]

Foams would be nice.

[Joey Hornick]

The track is suppose to be a nice fluffy track so I don't think a foam tire would do that good on this surface. Now last year a foam tire would have been interesting to run on the blue groove track that was ran. It was rough on the EDMs & Sprint guys due to it chewing up a set of tires pretty much for each heat.

Scott,
When do we get to know about the "official" rules for this event along with it truely will be a three day show?

[SCOTTY 21B]

Hi Ronnie,
Hoover a

[SCOTTY 21B]

OOPS, messed that one up!

Hi Ronnie,
Hoover and I were at the King of the Wings race this weekend and we discussed the rules for the '09 season.

1. buggy based
2. spec ofna or losi tires, same as this year
3. 3" spoiler and 2" by 3" winglets
4. one ways and tortion diffs allowed, spools allowed
5. any and all windows may be cut out

Let me know what you think.


Higman,
PM me with your questions


Dan Filbert,
only rubber tires allowed.


NeonTaz,
The chili bowl jr. will be a 3 day race, but you can just run 2 if you want. The rules haven't been finalized yet, but should be in a week or two.

Hope that answers everyone's questions. Thanks, Scott

[Joey Hornick]

Thank you Scott for the follow-up. Ronnie and I were talking last week about how some of the rules for different classes are going to affect the racers. One idea that I came up with and he agreed that it sounded good would be to have one person for each class be the representative for that class. This would eliminate someone who has a passion to race in the EDM class to make the rules for the sprint car class. Just a thought so that the drivers in those classes won't feel that their voices are not being heard.

[Doug Gaut]

Scott, the only thing I will say on the rules which I feel you guys really need to give some thought to is this, the 1/8 late models already have a bad rep for being out of control, full throttle missiles right? After racing the car this weekend with a one-way and without one, my opinion is that if you allow them the racing is going to be even more "out of control". Do they work, yes they do. Is there a way to compensate for not using one, I think so as Jeff and I took ours out for Saturday and made some droop changes to get the car to do what we wanted them to and was only one lap off in qualifying from Friday night on a track that was a little rougher and much drier so we had less grip. What a racer does lose is car control in the form of no brakes or very little. In order to be able to slow the car without spinning it out you have to back the brake throw off enough that the rear brakes do not lock up, well with a ??LB car that has a hard enough time stopping with all four tires braking can you imagine with only two tires that cannot lock up stopping the car? You cannot slow fast enough for a wreck in the middle of the track, you cannot slow fast enough if there is a slower car right in front of you going into a corner and you sure cannot slow fast enough if there is a car coming from the high groove and is going to chop your nose off coming out of a corner. If you have a main of 8-10 late models, all running one-ways its just a matter of time till the Big One (Daytona talk) happens because nobody can stop for wrecks.

Without one-ways you have more car control.

With one-ways you have less car control.

This has nothing to do with car companies, parts sales, etc, this is stricly off of what I felt racing the car this weekend with one and without. I know that a couple of others took their one-ways out on Saturday as well to gain more car control and one was an Ofna. Its all about car control and this is one class that needs it more than any of them due to their size and weight.

I only ask that you please consider this when making the rules for the class next year and for the Chili Bowl so there are fewer holes in the outer walls.

[Joey Hornick]

I agree with you Doug, I know from using the one-ways in offroad how the car reacted. We got tired of not have the control that we wanted and pulled them out and just adjusted the car alittle. I think it could also be a disadvantage to those that have cars that there isn't a readily available option for them. Sort of like the Open Wheel Nationals, where the cars have to be a mass produced car so that everyone can have the same advantage.

[RichardsonRacng]

Well said Doug!:thumbsup: I agree 100%...

[slufoot78]

Hey Doug, 100% total agreement with ya here too :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[speed4less]

If the car does not handle as well why would you run one? You guys don't tell anyone they can't run a mod or stock .28 motor and that will cause more crashing than a one way. Get real! I plan on coming to this race. I'm from Tenn. That is a long way to go play with a toy car. I will play by your rules as long as they let us setup our cars and race. When you start getting to many rules I'll stay home. I like the NSCS rules as they are now. (very few).
Scott,what you have posted in the first thread is good by me.JMO:thumbsup:

[UltraLine Motorsports]

Thanks for the heads-up :thumbsup:

OOPS, messed that one up!

Hi Ronnie,
Hoover and I were at the King of the Wings race this weekend and we discussed the rules for the '09 season.

1. buggy based
2. spec ofna or losi tires, same as this year
3. 3" spoiler and 2" by 3" winglets
4. one ways and tortion diffs allowed, spools allowed
5. any and all windows may be cut out

Let me know what you think.


Higman,
PM me with your questions


Dan Filbert,
only rubber tires allowed.


NeonTaz,
The chili bowl jr. will be a 3 day race, but you can just run 2 if you want. The rules haven't been finalized yet, but should be in a week or two.

Hope that answers everyone's questions. Thanks, Scott

[BIGDOG 33C]

i agree with doug and what he posted. if you allow one ways torsions it will take the local boy out of the picture when nscs roll into town just leave the rules the same.I was planning on running nscs next but i will not if you allow that rule change just my thought

[speed4less]

How will it take you out if there not as good?

[RamRacing]

i agree with doug and what he posted. if you allow one ways torsions it will take the local boy out of the picture when nscs roll into town just leave the rules the same.I was planning on running nscs next but i will not if you allow that rule change just my thought

That is just it. There was not a rule in the NSCS reguarding front options. Due to there being these new options now coming out. Scott has stated the rules that are in affect at this time with the possiblity of changes. So by you saying you agree with Doug that means the original NSCS rules would need to be changed.

I am not in the class so my impute really doesnt matter. I just hope that due to all of the fussing going on that it doesnt hurt the growth of the class. I love watching them race.

[RichardsonRacng]

Like Roger was saying, the rules last year didn't "exclude" them, so they were legal per/say. So this year we are trying to get a diff rule in black and white. So to get your voice heard, you want a change. To let the rules remain would allow one ways. I personally don't see a problem with allowing torsens because they are readily available FOR ALL MAKES of cars. Even though pricy they didn't seem to help those running them last year. Torsens were knowingly alllowed last year and one-ways were not even an option to most, if not all so it wasn't brought up. That's why thought has to be put into this rule because its new. I would rather see a diff only rule with exception of the center spool to keep cost down and make the driver set up the car with the diffs. One less aftermarket item you have to purchase to be competetive or worry about.

The only ones who don't want to see one-ways excluded are the few that have already ran out bought one as soon as Chad won at Big Bill's.

[speed4less]

I've been running a spool in the front of my car starting back in March. It is not a one way just a spool. Can I run it? Now there is more on the table. Like I said don't take my abilty to set up cars away.JMO You guys run an open motor rule and are fussing about a diff that may make someones car handle better. GET REAL! I'll race no matter what the rules. They are the same for everyone. JUST DON'T MAKE IT A HACK FEST. :D

"OTT"

[Doug Gaut]

Mike, the difference between the one-way and a modified .28 is brakes. A car with a modified .28 will be a missile for sure but racers do have a throttle finger and brakes to keep from running over guys. A car with a one-way can have a piddly little .18 in it and still probably will run over cars due to no front brakes. I would like to see the cars drive train stay basically stock with gear diffs but at least with the spool you are using you have four wheel brakes so I dont see a problem with it at all. All racers can run a spool simply by locking up the gears with diff lock fluid for instance. Before people go saying I am against one-ways because I dont have one, that is incorrect, I have a one-way as well as a spool for my car so my opinions are simply based on what I think would make the class the cleanest racing possible and the most fun for all.

[Stetler17]

In Scotts response he says Ofna or Losi tire, same as this year.

Did you guys allow the Losi tire already? Or is that an 09' rule? Curious because I didn't plan to buy any until next season.

Thanks,
Mark

[Doug Gaut]

Ofna tires were the only tire allowed this past year so it must be new.

[RichardsonRacng]

Just read on OKRCRACERS.COM that the STN's that were scheduled for the 25th are off?

What's up with that? Haven't heard or seen anything from Butts or Hoover...

[FULLT1LT]

can we get some rules plz? some of us may need to build different cars or make adjustments.

[RichardsonRacng]

Dyer, ruloes re out. Don't know why there hasn't been good communication of what's going on lately??? Then they wonder why everyone was worries about the series.ha

heres a link...

Think you and some other can make it to joplin, MO on Nov 1st? There is a new track there that is supposed to be awesome to run on. I believe you saw the vids.

__________________________________________________ _______________________________

General Rules
All races will be 4 minutes in length, qualifiers will use Ifmar starts. Turn marshals may not work on or repair cars. If a pit lane is available all cars must enter and exit the racing surface via the pit lane at all times. Any cars damaged and placed in the infield will remain there until that race is over. All drivers must turn marshal the race immediately following their race.
Race directors will have ultimate authority over rules enforcement. The primary basis for any rules decision must be based on what will be best for the majority of racers. If an item is not addressed in the rules listed here than you should assume it is not legal.


Chassis Specifications:
All height measurements are from bottom of chassis unless otherwise noted.

Nitro Sprint Cars
Must have scale appearing cage, hood, side panels, nerf bars and bumpers. All electronics, radio gear, fuel tanks must be positioned inside the cage. Rear cage side panels may be used but may not extend beyond rear cage frame. No lexan or any other material may be mounted to nerf bars, bumpers, cage, wing or any other part of the car that will trap, alter, or direct air flow for the purpose of gaining an aerodynamic advantage. Must have appropriate openings on both sides of cage in driver compartment, forward portion of side panels can be no taller than highest point of hood.

Wheelbase: 9.500” min, 11.000" max
Maximum width: 10.250"
Max wheel diameter: 2.2” front and rear
Max wheel width: 1.750” rear, 1.000” front
Max tire width: 1.850” rear, 1.250” front

Wing
Wing center section: 7x7” + 1” spoiler
L.S.- 5"TALL X 8"LONG
R.S.- 3 3/4"TALL X 8" LONG
FRONT WING-CENTER -4 3/4W X 3 1/16 LONG MAX.
L.S.-3 1/16 X 1 1/2" W
R.S.-3 1/16 X 1 1/2" W
Center wing must be made from at least 3 separate pieces of polycarbonate or lexan material, no one piece wings. Aluminum center sections may be used as long as there are no sharp edges. Main and Front wings must be mounted so that they are centered on cage, no offset wings. Wing center sections must have all 4 corners set at 90 degree angles, no canted or angled panels. Wings must also be mounted level from side to side. Center section of wing may not extend beyond leading or trailing edge of side panels. Side panels must have braces that hold side panel rigid at 90deg. to center section during race conditions. Two braces are required from top of the center foil to the left sideboard and one brace is permitted below the center foil to the right side board. Braces can be a maximum of .750" wide and front edge of front brace must be no more than 1.5” back from side panel leading edge. Side Panels may have front, back, top and bottom turnouts of no more than .375" and are included in max dimension. Flat foil center sections will be allowed a .250” turndown at the leading edge.

Engine
Any smallblock .12 or RTR .15
2WD ONLY AND NO 2 SPEEDS AND REAR WHEEL DRIVE ONLY
Headers are prefered on the right side but not mandatory


SMALL BLOCK EDM/TRUCK
EDM Body styles only
All bodies may have a 2” rear spoiler measured from the deck lid. The spoiler can be no wider than the bodies rear deck area.
There is not be any side dams, but may run a sail panel that follows the roof line and must not be any taller than the roof. May not attach a sail panel to the body, it must be built in to it’s design.
Any small block engine up to .18 and all engines greater than .15 cu. In. must be of the RTR variety
All vehicles must run rubber truck tires and truck weels front and rear. 2.2 inch max rim size.
WHEEL BASE 10.75 - 12.5
MAX WIDTH -13.0
MIN WIDTH -11.0
2WD ONLY AND NO 2 SPEEDS AND REAR WHEEL DRIVE ONLY

Electric Sprint
Must have scale appearing cage, hood, side panels, nerf bars and bumpers. Minimum of a 4 post cage required that resembles a drivers cockpit. All electronics must be positioned inside the cage side frames. Rear cage side panels may be used but may not extend beyond rear cage frame. No lexan or any other material may be mounted to nerf bars, bumpers, cage, wing or any other part of the car that will trap, alter, or direct air flow for the purpose of gaining an aerodynamic advantage. Must have appropriate openings on both sides of cage in driver compartment, forward portion of side panels can be no taller than highest point of hood.

Maximum Length: 18.000"
Maximum width of hood: 3.600"
Maximum cage width at driver halo, down tubes, and top frame rail: 3.600"
Minimum vertical gap from top of hood to front cage crossbar: .750"
Wing minimum height at leading edge: 5.000" from bottom of chassis
Wheelbase: 9.500” min, 11.000" max
Maximum width: 10.250" (rubber tires)
Max wheel diameter: 2.2” front and rear
Max wheel width: 1.750” rear, 1.000” front
Max tire width: 1.850” rear, 1.250” front

Wing center section: 7x7” + 1” spoiler
L.S.- 5"TALL X 8"LONG
R.S.- 3 3/4"TALL X 8" LONG
FRONT WING-CENTER -4 3/4W X 3 1/16 LONG MAX.
L.S.-3 1/16 X 1 1/2" W
R.S.-3 1/16 X 1 1/2" W
Center wing must be made from at least 3 separate pieces of polycarbonate or lexan material, no one piece wings. Aluminum center sections may be used as long as there are no sharp edges. Main and Front wings must be mounted so that they are centered on cage, no offset wings. Wing center sections must have all 4 corners set at 90 degree angles, no canted or angled panels. Wings must also be mounted level from side to side. Center section of wing may not extend beyond leading or trailing edge of side panels. Side panels must have braces that hold side panel rigid at 90deg. to center section during race conditions. Two braces are required from top of the center foil to the left sideboard and one brace is permitted below the center foil to the right side board. Braces can be a maximum of .750" wide and front edge of front brace must be no more than 1.5” back from side panel leading edge. Side Panels may have front, back, top and bottom turnouts of no more than .375" and are included in max dimension. Flat foil center sections will be allowed a .250” turndown at the leading edge.

Motors & Batteries
Any Brushed or Brushless Motor
Any Nimh or up to a 2 cell 7.4v lipo Battery
Headers are preferred on both sides but not mandatory

1/8 SCALE LATEMODEL BODY

Any production based 1/8 offroad buggy/car chassis
Can run either Ofna Tire Part number 86505 or Losi Tire Part number “TBD”
There will not be any grooving of the tires
Does not have to be the pre-mounts, but must be that tire.
Must run a working diff in front and rear end of the car
May run a working diff or a spool for the center diff
Can run up to a 3” Spoiler measured from the deck lid
Can run 2” x 3” winglets, maximum of 3 across the rear spoiler
Any Motor
Single speed transmission only
No restrictions on window openings
Body must fully cover the wheels.

1/10 Electric Truck
Any production based 1/10 scale electric truck
May run EDM body, molded Imca Body or a Truck Body
Molded Imca Body or Truck Bodies may run a 3" x 5" side dam and upto a 3" spoiler.
All vehicles must run rubber truck tires and truck wheels. Front and rear 2.2 inch max rims size.
Any brushed or brushless motor
Any Nimh or up to any 2cell 7.4v lipo battery.
Single Speed 2wd transmissions only
Rear Wheel Drive only

Last edited by Jhoover on Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:34 pm; edited 9 times in total

[jhoover74]

I know people have been asking for rules, I have been working on them as well working from 7:00 a.m. to 12:00 a.m. for the past month in Houston Texas, due to Hurricane Ike, so I have not had the time to get here on the forums as much as i would have liked.

you can follow the link for the rules of the chili bowl

http://nscs.easyphpbb.com/viewforum.php?f=4

James Hoover

[slufoot78]

Hey Hoover, thanks for the updated rules. looking forward to running the Chili bowl again this year. Quick questions, in the Nitro Sprint rules I dont see anything about what tires are allowed. Is it any tire or rubber tires only? Building new Backyard chassis and want to clairify a few things...... What is the exact measurement of the roll threw box that you will be checking the width? ? Wheel base is still measured from center front spindle to center of rear axel with car setting on ground wheels straight... right?? Thanks and have a great weekend... Patrick

[jhoover74]

Hey Hoover, thanks for the updated rules. looking forward to running the Chili bowl again this year. Quick questions, in the Nitro Sprint rules I dont see anything about what tires are allowed. Is it any tire or rubber tires only? Building new Backyard chassis and want to clairify a few things...... What is the exact measurement of the roll threw box that you will be checking the width? ? Wheel base is still measured from center front spindle to center of rear axel with car setting on ground wheels straight... right?? Thanks and have a great weekend... Patrick


Patrick the race will be mini or step pinn tires only
the exact measurment of the box will be 10.250
and yes that is how the wheel base will be checked
James

[4wd#9Nick]

Is there a safe place to ship my race stuff to?
Thanks
Nick

[Breckenridge]

Is there a safe place to ship my race stuff to?
Thanks
Nick


Nick, you need to learn to pack lighter.....

[hljudd]

Is there a safe place to ship my race stuff to?
Thanks
Nick

Call Brian Rainbolt at the RC Pitstop (local hobby shop) and ask him if he will allow you to do that.
(918) 355-5510

[Doug Gaut]

I was looking at the rules and noticed that James has changed the rear spoiler spill plate size on the NSCS site versus the TDODC site. I think these are the new rules for the late models.

http://nscs.easyphpbb.com/index.php

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: 1/8 Late Modelshttp://nscs.easyphpbb.com/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif (http://nscs.easyphpbb.com/posting.php?mode=quote&p=2217) 1/8 SCALE LATEMODEL BODY

Any production based 1/8 offroad buggy/car chassis
Can run either Ofna Tire Part number 86505 or Losi Tire Part number LOSA 17768B
There will not be any grooving of the tires
Does not have to be the pre-mounts, but must be that tire.
Must run a working diff in front and rear end of the car
May run a working diff or a spool for the center diff
Can run up to a 3” Spoiler measured from the deck lid
Added winglets can be up to 2.5" high ” x 4.5” in length, maximum of 3 across the rear spoiler. Winglets cannot be rectangular or square in shape. Cannot be any higher than the spoiler. There cannot be any sharp edges.
Any Motor
Single speed transmission only
No restrictions on window openings
Body must fully cover the wheels.

Last edited by jhoover on Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:25 pm; edited 4 times in total

[jhoover74]

Is there a safe place to ship my race stuff to?
Thanks
Nick


you can send your stuff to

NSCS
1104 W. Decatur Pl
Broken Arrow, Ok 74011

[loopedout]

When and where can we pre register for the Chili Bowl race?

[hljudd]

When and where can we pre register for the Chili Bowl race?

Download the flyer and print it off. Fill it out and mail it in.

[loopedout]

no paypal entries like last year?

[hljudd]

He's taking paypal this year too

Here's a quote from his post on texas dirt oval

We are going to start taking Entries On November 1st, you can call 918-698-5888, or fax your entry into 918-449-9465, mail your entry into 1104 W. Decatur Pl Broken Arrow, Ok 74011. Everybody will be able to pay with either check, money order, or paypal. Can send by Paypal to kinserrenovations@cox.net (kinserrenovations@cox.net)

[Doug Gaut]

Noticed a few more rules revisions in a couple of classes so before you head to the Chili Bowl or an NSCS event you might want to check this site for the most current rules.

http://nscs.easyphpbb.com/viewforum.php?f=4

[smitty]

Can you run a sprag clutch?

[FULLT1LT]

can I run a 1 way muffler bearing?what about turn signal fluid in the spyncter valve?why is it when someone builds something innovative the first thing it its outlawed? it may be better for the hobby,car control among other things.why not test the new products before they are outlawed? this hobby was built on creative thinking outside the box and now the first thing everyone wants to do is make a rule against it. I say FREE YOUR MIND!!! WE ARE RACING NOT PLAYING TITTLEEE-WINKS ;););) I say crybabys that cant afford to race stay the hell home and buy your wife flowers more often and maybe she will let you spend more money on racing parts so you can keep up with the program and new innovations----or stay on the porch and cry about it:D

[hljudd]

Can you run a sprag clutch?


Where are you going to use this?

[smitty]

My real question, is how often are the rules going to be amended, for what reason are they being amended, who is amending them.

Not trying to be negative but I want to know if I should still pursue aftermarket parts for the 1/8 cars. It seems that some of the products that I have put time and money into developing are being outlawed.

Should I stop making parts for these cars?

If I spend the time and money developing a part that makes the cars faster (and are within the current rules) are the rules going to be amended again?

This only seems to be a problem with the NSCS, but I want to be able to sell parts to those people also, as NSCS seems to be a large portion of the market. Please help me understand what I should do.

Dynotech Racing is a custom parts manufacture for the racers in the US and over seas, we make parts for 1/10, 1/8,1/12, gas and electric. I'm are here for you guys, without your support I wouldn't and will not be in business.

Thank you for your time and support.

Chad Smith
www.dynotech-racing.com (http://www.dynotech-racing.com)

[Rob Brwstr]

I hope that the change in rules had nothing to do with the "sponsor" of the race. Chad why don't we come up with the "little piggy that could series". Run what u brung ofna's at $189+ your goodies still cheaper than most off-road buggies new or used.
There will always be a market for go fast parts. Rob

[Jeff Harper]

I have no involvement in rules for this class for the NSCS but I do race with alot of the guys that run the NSCS and my thoughts would be that with the 1/8 class, the intent is to maybe keep the major parts of the car (like drive train) un modded in an effort to keep the cost down, the competition closer and the participation with the class high. Maybe this will help, maybe not, but I sure think that may be the mindset behind the rules. The intentions are good.

So if the intention of the NSCS is to keep this class mostly stock and with almost any rules base having loopholes, rules have to be updated from time to time to continue with the original intent right?

Then there is the issue with the "oneway bearing". One way bearings on an overpowered 8 pound car (particularly on a loose dirt oval) do not help the racing, they hurt it IMO. Maybe it will cut a tenth or two off your lap times but on a loose dirt track, you lose some ability to maintain control because you cant hardly use your brakes with out spinning out. Maybe its OK on high bite tracks but not loose dirt ovals like the NSCS series runs on IMO. I have nothing against one ways, but I think there is a time and place for them like anything else.

I suspect the recent rule change was due to a small loophole that was just dicovered with the idea that recently came up with the oneway bearing out on the wheel.

Its almost imposible to cover everything in written rules like this new oneway bearing in the wheel hub and so thats why rules have to evolve in order to maintain the original intent right?

I cetainly dont think anyone is against innovation.........there are many rules bases that will allow all the innovation you can think of (more unlimited) and then there are rules bases that try to keep things closer to stock.

Can't we respect both sides?

I personally dont think the change has anything to do with the "Sponsor" of the race.

[smitty]

EVERYONE FORGET THE ONE-WAYS!:mad:

My question is,

If I spend the time and money developing a part that makes the cars faster (and are within the current rules) are the rules going to be amended again?

chad

[slufoot78]

Chad I do understand where your coming from and think you always make killer parts. If you are concerned about development on new aftermarket parts and what to stay within NSCS guild lines I am sure Hoover would discuss them with you and figure out weither they would be legal or not in NSCS before you spend all you time and money making them. May save you a LOT of time and money..

As the promotor and owner of the NSCS series he does have ALL rights to determine what parts are allowed and whats not... pretty plain and simple. Guess he is doing something right, seems to have a bunch of cars running the series. The main goal for any series is to grow and get more people involved instead of setting rules to cater to a few guys that funding a RC car is the most important thing in life. This is a hobby for me and will always be a HOBBY. Its still and will always be the LOCAL LOW budget racers that allows tracks to stay open. Dont think I would want them to all stay home on the porch :D :thumbsup: Everyone have a wonderful week. Patrick

Backyard Racing Chassis
Holt Graphics Broken Arrow


"Never Argue with an Idiot, He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience" :D

[RichardsonRacng]

Who wants to go golfing? :rolleyes:

[Rob Brwstr]

What hurts this class is 1-2 cars in each heat that can actually get around the track. Hell I can't get enough power out of my mills. The problem is guys throw a body on a buggy and run into the wall, into another car, into the wall again at full throttle and the guy that can get around the track has to dodge these things. Cars with one-ways work better plain and simple. The fast will get faster and the sloowww will stay slow! BTW a heads up I am working on an anti-gravity feature for my OFNA. Put that into your rules....jk Rob

[Doug Gaut]

Guys, here is the deal as I see it. The NSCS is based out of Tulsa, OK. They hold races in Texas, Oklahoma and Missouri. Unless you plan on attending all of the series races what is the fuss about???? There are many other places racing 1/8 late models and you dont see the NSCS guys going and complaining on their sites period. The NSCS rules cover racing in this area and this area alone. If you want to adopt their rules then so be it but dont come on here bashing the organizers, promoters or racers because you dont agree with their principals or theory behind the classes. What Greg Bridgewater, Scott Butts, James Hoover and others started years ago in Tulsa has lived and grown due to their ideals on dirt oval racing. If you want to attend an event then make sure your car is legal. No different than if we go to TN or FL then we would have to make changes to make sure our cars are legal or just dont go, plain and simple. As with any successful organization, rules will need to be addressed as time goes in order to follow along with that organizations principals and theories. Nascar and GT racing do it all the time.

In our area with the track surfaces we race on one-ways do not help the cars maintain control, they only make things worse! Just like what we saw at a few races earlier this year.

There are many other tracks in the nation running open rules so there is a place to sell open class parts. I know that Phil Leber from KC is having Chad build a rear shock tower for a Mugen MBX5 in order to put front shocks on the rear, that is perfectly legal under the NSCS rules so there are options for selling parts in the NSCS area too.

Here is the schedule for the NSCS series events and YES the Chili Bowl happens to be one of them. Hope everybody that wants to run under the NSCS rules comes and has a great time.

Ronnie, its too dang cold! :p

Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: 2009 NSCS Schedulehttp://nscs.easyphpbb.com/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif (http://nscs.easyphpbb.com/posting.php?mode=quote&p=2495) All races this year will be one day shows with the exception of the Chili Bowl Jr. which will be a 3 day show. All other races will be ran on saturdays in conjunction with the local tracks usual program.

There will be 5 points races this year with one drop.

Jan. 14, 15 & 16-The Chili Bowl Jr.
Mustang Arena, Tulsa State Fair Grounds
Tulsa, OK

FEB 21- Indy R/C
2020 Saturn Rd. Garland, Texas
http://www.indyrcworld.net/
972-271-4844

APR 4-ADAMS CREEK
5510 S. 194th Broken Arrow, Ok 74014
918-486-3948
Local Web forum www.okrcracers.net (http://www.okrcracers.net/)

JUNE 6-WILD BILLS
535 E. Shady Grove Road Irving, TX 75060
972-438-9224
Local web forum www.texasdirtoval.net (http://www.texasdirtoval.net/)

Sept- Joplin RC Speedway
24980 Magnolia Ln, Webb City, MO
Date will be announced later
Local web forum www.heartlandrc.com (http://www.heartlandrc.com/)

[Rob Brwstr]

Whatever go play with your toy cars i'll sit at home. Video from last year









http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=BlsObVwpuGY

[Joey Hornick]

Whatever go play with your toy cars i'll sit at home. Video from last year

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=BlsObVwpuGY

That video doesn't show the caliber of drivers that we finished the season with in the NSCS. That was the first race of the season and last year wasn't a part of the point series. We had a lot of "green" drivers that didn't understand that going slower is actually faster and would do what one person described about holding the throttle and hitting the wall and possibly hitting a fellow driver. I can remember won driver that will remain nameless that talked a huge amount of trash that came to this race and couldn't make it out of the D or E Main(whatever the lowest main was.) I'm sure there will be a great showing of drivers based on the drivers we had in the NSCS series.

Joey

[JW8]

Man we just need to cut and paste these same battle cry's from about 10 different threads. One group cannot understand why someone would like to not spend unlimited money and time on a toy car....must not be a real car if you do not spend a bunch on it. Well guess what....and this is a key point that is not talked about much by any of us into RC.....no matter what you spend.....it is still a toy car. 1/8 LM are still buggies running on road tires with LM bodies stuck on them. It gets tiresome when this same topic pops up. Read the rules sheet. If it interests you...then show up. Have a good time. If it looks like something that you do not agree with...stay home. Simple. NSCS is not the National voice of Dirt Oval. They created the rules for OK, TX, MO and KS. They were created to give local tracks a points race series. Cool thing with racing TOY cars.....most tracks it takes 3 to make a class....bring two other buddies and have a good time.

[jimdhill]

My real question, is how often are the rules going to be amended, for what reason are they being amended, who is amending them.

Not trying to be negative but I want to know if I should still pursue aftermarket parts for the 1/8 cars. It seems that some of the products that I have put time and money into developing are being outlawed.

Should I stop making parts for these cars?

If I spend the time and money developing a part that makes the cars faster (and are within the current rules) are the rules going to be amended again?

This only seems to be a problem with the NSCS, but I want to be able to sell parts to those people also, as NSCS seems to be a large portion of the market. Please help me understand what I should do.

Dynotech Racing is a custom parts manufacture for the racers in the US and over seas, we make parts for 1/10, 1/8,1/12, gas and electric. I'm are here for you guys, without your support I wouldn't and will not be in business.

Thank you for your time and support.

Chad Smith
www.dynotech-racing.com (http://www.dynotech-racing.com)


Like someone said in another post. Why are you targeting such a small group of racers? Why are you giving the NSCS so much grief over not allowing certain parts on the cars that run in their series? As someone else said, the NSCS is NOT the national voice of dirt oval racing. From what I know about the NSCS, they are a group of racers that organize races in OK, TX & MO.

Let me put this in a different perspective for you. Of the 52 latemodels signed up for the Chili Bowl, only 14 are regular NSCS Racers. Of those 14 NSCS regulars (core group), only 3 or less of those drivers will probably make all 5 races with a latemodel on the 2009 NSCS schedule. Why would you want to create a business model based on such a small demographic? Personally, I would think long and hard before I invested a single penny in producing any product for such a small...if not non-existent...target group.

With that being said, I don't think I would even consider NSCS rules or what the NSCS is doing when trying to make innovative products for the r/c car industry. I think I would look at what's going on at the local level in various parts of the country. If there is a product out there that the NSCS does not want in their series, it's their porogative to choose not to allow it. I'm sure the NSCS has their reasons for their set of rules and that should be respected.

It's my guess and it's only a guess that you are only getting bent over this because you're being told that you, personally, can't run these parts at the Chili Bowl. You know what the rules are, if you want to race, make your car legal by the posted rules and go race. I know the rules have been ammended numerous times, but everyone has known for a long time now that the NSCS does not want oneways of any type that would deminish braking control of the cars in their series. Sounds to me like a safety issue that's wanting to be avoided.

[Scotty Edwards]

Just stopping by to say Hi. I am still alive, Hope everyone has a Merry Christmas, a Happy New Year, and a great week of racing at the Chili Bowl.

Unfortunately, I wont be making it there this year.

-Scott

[air8]

What is the current car count? Anyone know? I'm starting to maybe possibly begin to think about getting my entries entered and paid. Plus I found some great hotel rates in Broken Arrow.

[hljudd]

I don't know how many Hoover has received pre-payment for, but there is about 165 that have posted up and said they were coming.

[Matt Murphy]

Is it safe to assume that the Losi "Smart Diff" is also illegal? It can be adjusted to freewheel like a one way off power, yet still work like a diff on-power. If this diff is allowed, then the whole world will know which company the rules are biased towards. Argument cannot be made that its not losi's fault they offer a better setup. Chad and Joel have offered "better" products which were quickly made illegal.

Please clarify this for all of us, as this will dictate whether or not I run 8th scale...

Matt Murphy

[Doug Gaut]

That would mean Xray's active diff would also be illegal? Its already out but the Smart Diff is not from what Horizon shows.

Matt, do either of these (Xray or Losi) have 4wheel braking? I have seen the advertisements for both but have never seen either one.

[hljudd]

After seeing this post, I went out and did some reading on both the x-ray active diff and the losi smart diff and what I found is that neither diff can be adjusted to be a oneway off power. Just as with a standard diff, you adjust the off power feel by changing the diff fluid to get more or less steering. Then you use the different plates to adjust the tension on the diff on power. Now, with knowing how the diff actually works and that we already know that torsens are allowed. From a technical standpoint, I would have to say the diff meets the requirements of the rules. It's a 6 gear diff, it can't be made to be a oneway device and the car will have 4 wheel brakes. Of course, I don't have the final say and that will be left up to Hoover. Now from a "spirit of the class" rule I would have to say I don't want it. I've talked to serveral of the racers in this class over the last several months and most of them want to keep the class as afforable as possible. It is my opinion...and it's only an opinion...that we keep the stock diffs in the cars.

I also wouldn't worry too much about these diffs, cause they're not available yet for the Losi. Everything I read said mid to late January.

[donnie victor]

Howard my LHS told me the same thing, mid to late January...

[Doug Gaut]

Stock diffs would be fine with me but Torsen's also need to be addressed from a cost standpoint as well.

[Sonny B]

Is it safe to assume that the Losi "Smart Diff" is also illegal? It can be adjusted to freewheel like a one way off power, yet still work like a diff on-power. If this diff is allowed, then the whole world will know which company the rules are biased towards. Argument cannot be made that its not losi's fault they offer a better setup. Chad and Joel have offered "better" products which were quickly made illegal.

Please clarify this for all of us, as this will dictate whether or not I run 8th scale...

Matt Murphy


The Losi team and its drivers fully understand and support the spirit and intent of the NSCS and SNS rules package. We WILL NOT be using the new "Smart Diffs" developed for the 8IGHT 2.0 at the Chili Bowl.

The rules package used in the Mid-South region works. The rules contain technology , try to minimize costs, and puts the race outcome back in the drivers hands. This has proven to be a very effective formula for growth and has created some very exciting door to door racing . We hope the release of the new Losi L8IGHT Model will only help to continue this growth.

We also plan to support races and racers in other areas of the country that have a more open rules approach. We are confident the new Smart Diffs, One-ways, and other product that we are developing will continue to provide Losi users an advantage over their competition. We look forward to competing at many of these events, supporting our customers, and helping this form of racing continue to grow.

Happy Holiday and hope to see you at the track in 2009,

Sonny B
Team Spektrum/Dynamite/Losi

[Matt Murphy]

If the intent is to keep technology out of our racing, then a rule needs to be put in place to make torsen diffs illegal also. The sheer cost of these diffs makes them bad for business. Also, just because the "LOSI TEAM will not be using the SMART diffs" does not mean there will not be anyone using them. Ban them now before things get silly. I think these are worse than a one way bearing for the Right Front hub..... Thanks Sonny for your input on this topic. I look forward to racing with you again soon.

Matt Murphy


2009 rules package proposal:
Gear diffs only. Can only be filled with grease.

[air8]

2009 rules package proposal:
Gear diffs only. Can only be filled with grease.


By grease do you also mean silicone diff fluid? I've never used actual grease in the diffs before, only diff fluid.


It seems the Active and Smart Diffs are performing the same function as the six gear diffs. But the Active/Smart Diffs provide a different feel for the car. So I don't see a great advantage there. It's just that these new diffs will provide a larger range. They make the diffs FEEL like they have light fluid at first but then build in viscosity as the pressure plates and springs start loading. Another way to say that is; the Active/Smart diffs will perform as if there were 1,000 wt. oil when the vehicle is slow. At mid speed that same diff would feel like it has 3,000 wt. oil inside. At a higher speed that same diff would feel like it has 5,000 wt. oil inside.

And of course this can all be adjusted with the pressure plates and springs. It will be quite a while before I use these new diffs in anyting. I'm simply not good enough to benefit from them. I still work to find a good baseline setup on every vehicle, every time I race, at every track I race at. So to try and use these diffs would only add to my confusion. :confused::confused::confused: LOL. Anyways, just adding my thoughts is all.

[air8]

In the end I'd still like to know how a buggy would feel on the oval with those Active/Smart diffs in. But I'll wait and read about it someday.

[jhoover74]

The Smart/Active Diffs will not be legal in the NSCS.

Cars are going to be teched before going out for each heat., and a random couple after each heat. Everything may not be checked each time, but just because we dont catch it the first time does not make it legal the next time around.

James

[Matt Murphy]

jhoover,
Thanks for the clarification.

Air8,
The grease rule was a sarcastic joke. This class started with so few rules, now has too many. Each new and innovative product immediately gets a rule against it.

And i actually meant grease.

Matt Murphy

[Jeff Harper]

Matt, this is just one series that has the mind set of trying to keep the cars mostly stock. Is there anything wrong with that?

I am sure there are many other series/groups/tracks out there that have more open rules for the guys that want to go that route and for the guys building the trick parts.

To each his own.

[Doug Gaut]

The Smart/Active Diffs will not be legal in the NSCS.

Cars are going to be teched before going out for each heat., and a random couple after each heat. Everything may not be checked each time, but just because we dont catch it the first time does not make it legal the next time around.

James

What about torsens?

[Matt Murphy]

Jeff,

I may have come across the wrong way. I like the rules. I like the intent of the rules. Only want further clarification. Should read Working gear diffs only. NO TORSEN, SMART DIFFS, OTHER "ADJUSTABLE" TYPE DIFFS. I like the whole keep things simple mentality. I like foam tires. But I am going to come do my best within your rules, on your tires, and see how I stack up against the best. Thats what I think its all about!

Lets race, and keep it simple...

Matt Murphy

[Up Front Design]

James - Please shoot me an e-mail at ufd@q.com

Thanks.

[plipitkc]

James,

With all of the controversy being stirred on this thread and the rules section I accessed being dated January 2008.

Could you publish the complete set of rules for the Chilli Bowl and the other NSCS races for 2009. This would give all of the racers one source to go to for the rules and reach all of the participates.

Thansk

Phil

[hljudd]

General Rules
All races will be 4 minutes in length, qualifiers will use Ifmar starts. Turn marshals may not work on or repair cars. If a pit lane is available all cars must enter and exit the racing surface via the pit lane at all times. Any cars damaged and placed in the infield will remain there until that race is over. All drivers must turn marshal the race immediately following their race.
Race directors will have ultimate authority over rules enforcement. The primary basis for any rules decision must be based on what will be best for the majority of racers. If an item is not addressed in the rules listed here than you should assume it is not legal.

Chassis Specifications:
All height measurements are from bottom of chassis unless otherwise noted.

Nitro Sprint Cars
Must have scale appearing cage, hood, side panels, nerf bars and bumpers. All electronics, radio gear, fuel tanks must be positioned inside the cage. Rear cage side panels may be used but may not extend beyond rear cage frame. No lexan or any other material may be mounted to nerf bars, bumpers, cage, wing or any other part of the car that will trap, alter, or direct air flow for the purpose of gaining an aerodynamic advantage. Must have appropriate openings on both sides of cage in driver compartment, forward portion of side panels can be no taller than highest point of hood.

Wheelbase: 9.500” min, 11.000" max
Maximum width: 10.250"
Max wheel diameter: 2.2” front and rear
Max wheel width: 1.750” rear, 1.000” front
Max tire width: 1.850” rear, 1.250” front
Rubber Mini Pin or Step Pinned tires only

Wing
Wing center section: 7x7” + 1” spoiler
L.S.- 5"TALL X 8"LONG
R.S.- 3 3/4"TALL X 8" LONG
FRONT WING-CENTER -4 3/4W X 3 1/16 LONG MAX.
L.S.-3 1/16 X 1 1/2" W
R.S.-3 1/16 X 1 1/2" W
Center wing must be made from at least 3 separate pieces of polycarbonate or lexan material, no one piece wings. Aluminum center sections may be used as long as there are no sharp edges. Main and Front wings must be mounted so that they are centered on cage, no offset wings. Wing center sections must have all 4 corners set at 90 degree angles, no canted or angled panels. Wings must also be mounted level from side to side. Center section of wing may not extend beyond leading or trailing edge of side panels. Side panels must have braces that hold side panel rigid at 90deg. to center section during race conditions. Two braces are required from top of the center foil to the left sideboard and one brace is permitted below the center foil to the right side board. Braces can be a maximum of .750" wide and front edge of front brace must be no more than 1.5” back from side panel leading edge. Side Panels may have front, back, top and bottom turnouts of no more than .375" and are included in max dimension. Flat foil center sections will be allowed a .250” turndown at the leading edge.

Engine
Any smallblock .12 or RTR .15
2WD ONLY AND NO 2 SPEEDS AND REAR WHEEL DRIVE ONLY
Headers are prefered on the right side but not mandatory

SMALL BLOCK EDM/TRUCK
EDM Body styles only
All bodies may have a 2” rear spoiler measured from the deck lid. The spoiler can be no wider than the bodies rear deck area.
There is not be any side dams, but may run a sail panel that follows the roof line and must not be any taller than the roof. May not attach a sail panel to the body, it must be built in to it’s design.
Any small block engine up to .20 and all engines greater than .15 cu. In. must be of the RTR variety
All vehicles must run rubber truck tires and truck weels front and rear. 2.2 inch max rim size.
WHEEL BASE 10.75 - 12.5
MAX WIDTH -13.0
MIN WIDTH -11.0
2WD ONLY AND NO 2 SPEEDS AND REAR WHEEL DRIVE ONLY

Electric Sprint
Must have scale appearing cage, hood, side panels, nerf bars and bumpers. Minimum of a 4 post cage required that resembles a drivers cockpit. All electronics must be positioned inside the cage side frames. Rear cage side panels may be used but may not extend beyond rear cage frame. No lexan or any other material may be mounted to nerf bars, bumpers, cage, wing or any other part of the car that will trap, alter, or direct air flow for the purpose of gaining an aerodynamic advantage. Must have appropriate openings on both sides of cage in driver compartment, forward portion of side panels can be no taller than highest point of hood.

Maximum Length: 18.000"
Maximum width of hood: 3.600"
Maximum cage width at driver halo, down tubes, and top frame rail: 3.600"
Minimum vertical gap from top of hood to front cage crossbar: .750"
Wing minimum height at leading edge: 5.000" from bottom of chassis
Wheelbase: 9.500” min, 11.000" max
Maximum width: 10.250" (rubber tires)
Max wheel diameter: 2.2” front and rear
Max wheel width: 1.750” rear, 1.000” front
Max tire width: 1.850” rear, 1.250” front
Rubber Mini Pin or Step Pinned tires only

Wing center section: 7x7” + 1” spoiler
L.S.- 5"TALL X 8"LONG
R.S.- 3 3/4"TALL X 8" LONG
FRONT WING-CENTER -4 3/4W X 3 1/16 LONG MAX.
L.S.-3 1/16 X 1 1/2" W
R.S.-3 1/16 X 1 1/2" W
Center wing must be made from at least 3 separate pieces of polycarbonate or lexan material, no one piece wings. Aluminum center sections may be used as long as there are no sharp edges. Main and Front wings must be mounted so that they are centered on cage, no offset wings. Wing center sections must have all 4 corners set at 90 degree angles, no canted or angled panels. Wings must also be mounted level from side to side. Center section of wing may not extend beyond leading or trailing edge of side panels. Side panels must have braces that hold side panel rigid at 90deg. to center section during race conditions. Two braces are required from top of the center foil to the left sideboard and one brace is permitted below the center foil to the right side board. Braces can be a maximum of .750" wide and front edge of front brace must be no more than 1.5” back from side panel leading edge. Side Panels may have front, back, top and bottom turnouts of no more than .375" and are included in max dimension. Flat foil center sections will be allowed a .250” turndown at the leading edge.

Motors & Batteries
Any Brushed or Brushless Motor
Any Nimh or up to a 2 cell 7.4v lipo Battery
Headers are preferred on both sides but not mandatory

1/8 SCALE LATEMODEL BODY
Any production based 1/8 offroad buggy/car chassis
Can run either Ofna Tire Part number 86505 or Losi Tire Part number LOSA 17768B
There will not be any grooving of the tires
Does not have to be the pre-mounts, but must be that tire.
Must run a OEM 6 gear diff or Torsen diff, in front and rear end of the car
May run a working diff or a spool for the center diff
Can run up to a 3” Spoiler measured from the deck lid
Added winglets can be up to 2.5" high ” x 4.5” in length, maximum of 3 across the rear spoiler. Winglets cannot be rectangular or square in shape. Cannot be any higher than the spoiler. There cannot be any sharp edges.
Any Nitro Engine
Single speed transmission only
No restrictions on window openings
Body must fully cover the wheels.

1/10 Electric Truck
Any production based 1/10 scale electric truck
May run EDM body, molded Imca Body or a Truck Body
Molded Imca Body or Truck Bodies may run a 3" x 5" side dam and upto a 3" spoiler.
All vehicles must run rubber truck tires and truck wheels. Front and rear 2.2 inch max rims size.
Any brushed or brushless motor
Any Nimh or up to any 2cell 7.4v lipo battery.
Single Speed 2wd transmissions only
Rear Wheel Drive only

[air8]

Minor questions about numbers. Are they required on 1/8 LM and Nitro EDM? If so what size of numbers would they need to be?

Thanx guys.

[RichardsonRacng]

Happy Holidays to all my fellow racers out there!

[plipitkc]

Thanks Howard.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.

May you sleep well with visions of Dr Phil passing you in the A mAin for the trophy and all the glory...LMAO Big Time

GO COWBOYS!!!!!!

Dr Phil

[hljudd]

That wouldn't be a dream, that would be a nightmare!

[plipitkc]

Just remember this IS the season of miracles....So don't speak to soon. ;)

Phil

[Offutt Racing]

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.

See you all at the Chii bowl.

Gary

[RichardsonRacng]

Looks like i just sold my house and will be buying and moving in January....going to have to set this year out! Good luck to everyone and i hope to make it up there on Friday to watch the mains and root my friends on. Happy and sad, but maybe i can make a couple of out of town trips in the summer next year i wasn't able to this year... Hope everyone has a blast and it's bigger and better than last year...:thumbsup:

[air8]

Nooooooo!! Too bad I'll miss the opportunity to watch you race at the Chilli bowl. Congrats on the house, hope it works out great for ya.

[plipitkc]

Congrats on selling the house!!

Phil

[Holt Graphics]

:checkeredflag:Holt Graphics is proud to supply the shirts for the 2nd Annual Spektrum Chilibowl Jr race. I can't post pictures or pricing on here...but you are more than welcome to visit our myspace page for more info (picture section under CHILIBOWL JR). :checkeredflag:

http://www.myspace.com/holtracinggraphics

[racerjmh]

They look sweet. Nice job.

[RichardsonRacng]

Congrats on selling the house!!

Phil


Thanks guys, Anyone up for a moving party?:beer::D

[jhoover74]

come down here and make the a feature and i will come up there and help you move

[slufoot78]

Hummm........ interesting.... No excuse now Ronnie :D

[Joey Hornick]

Wouldn't it be the opposite, come down to move and up to race....:)

Lets hear the excuses now Ronnie.......;)

[RichardsonRacng]

WELL......:o

Work is crazy right now and i need to take time off to move...can't do both...:thumbsdown: I'm closing on my house and being sent out of town for a week the day after.

To many irons in the fire right now, but i hope to be settled and back to a normal working schedule in time to make a few of some of the series races...i'm not going anywhere...just a tiny break.:blackflag: Good luck to everyone and i hope to make it up to see some great racing on Friday! Although it will be painful to just watch! I haven't even taken the body off of my car since the Joplin race...:eek: With the 3 car garage i will have no excuses for not stringing my stuff out and working on it! lol

[FULLT1LT]

I think the innaugural winner should get to start ninth in the a if he shows up on friday!!!! what about it ronnie and hoover?:thumbsup::thumbsdown:

[jhoover74]

ninth is already being taken by the fastest qualifer in time trials, if he doesnt make it to the A

I dont have a problem with him coming in on the last day and bumping his way through the alphabet though

[Joey Hornick]

I haven't even taken the body off of my car since the Joplin race...:eek: With the 3 car garage i will have no excuses for not stringing my stuff out and working on it! lol

WOW, Ronnie you are actually going to wipe the cars off and work on them? Next thing you are going to tell is that you have a new lexan body with some killer graphics from Holt Graphics.....:)

[RamRacing]

WOW, Ronnie you are actually going to wipe the cars off and work on them? Next thing you are going to tell is that you have a new lexan body with some killer graphics from Holt Graphics.....:)


DANG Joey
What did Ronnie do to you. You have been all over him LOL
I think it is funny as _ell.
All I can say to Ronnie is. You are going to miss one great track condition. The plan is to have it just like you always wanted a track. Wet And Fast double groove.

[Joey Hornick]

We love giving him a hard time about working on his cars. As you can see from his previous post, he hasn't even taken the body off the car. I wish he would come run also, I think that Brad wants a second stab at him. I really miss the back and forth between them that was leading up to last year's race.

[slufoot78]

Guess if Ronnie dont show thats one way of somewhat holding his title :checkeredflag::D LOL Always have a blast running with you Ronnie and good luck on the house move, If you start looking for any help moving just hollar and I will help you look for some LOL.. Just got done moving and dont want no more of that :thumbsdown:

BTW Rodger.....hummm... Is that a OFF car you have in your avatar??? :rolleyes: LOL You still have not sent me any pics... May go out and give Jason some more run time at the barn this weekend.... see ya Patrick

Backyard Racing Chassis
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[FULLT1LT]

hoover,for the edm and sprint rules will street track tires be allowed?it says rubber buggy tires and does not say pin spikes only:confused:

[FULLT1LT]

also--what is the part no. for the losi tires unmounted or are they available premount only

[jhoover74]

you can go here for the rules
http://nscs.easyphpbb.com/viewforum.php?f=4

Rubber Mini Pin or Step Pinned tires only

[RamRacing]

Guess if Ronnie dont show thats one way of somewhat holding his title :checkeredflag::D LOL Always have a blast running with you Ronnie and good luck on the house move, If you start looking for any help moving just hollar and I will help you look for some LOL.. Just got done moving and dont want no more of that :thumbsdown:

BTW Rodger.....hummm... Is that a OFF car you have in your avatar??? :rolleyes: LOL You still have not sent me any pics... May go out and give Jason some more run time at the barn this weekend.... see ya Patrick

Backyard Racing Chassis
Holt Graphics Broken Arrow

I will send you some pics as soon as your brother and I get the BG3 finished. And yes that is a OFF car in my avatar. But it wont be on there once the new car is finished.

[RichardsonRacng]

You guys are making it tough. Sounds like the track will be sweet! It was tough for me to make this decision, but it's the responsible thing for me to do right now.....just ask my wife!:D LOL

The best thing for me to do is stop reading about the race, it's killing me!

I did like your idea though Brad! Good lookin' out!:thumbsup::beer:






GO SOONERS!!!!!!!:trophy:


BOOMER!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe someone will sprain their pinky and need a back up driver on Friday.....a guy can always dream! lol

[air8]

Anyone have an idea about track prep during the week? Water/ No Water? I realize it's too difficult to judge what will happen with aroudn 200 cars running around but just keeping the talk alive I guess.

[Jeff Harper]

I am pretty sure the plan is to try and keep the track watered to help keep some bite in the track rather then letting it dry out and get slick and/or take rubber.

[RamRacing]

Anyone have an idea about track prep during the week? Water/ No Water? I realize it's too difficult to judge what will happen with aroudn 200 cars running around but just keeping the talk alive I guess.

The plan is if everything goes right.
Monday track to be built.
Tuesday Open practice. ( Controlled when crowd gets large enough to need to start)
Track will be prepped through out the day close to what it will be like on race day. So we need as many people to come out and pratice so we can get the feel of what it is going to do. And what it is going to take to keep it a loose wet dirt track.

IS IT RACE DAY YET??????????????

[plipitkc]

James,

What is the rule for "Back Up Drivers" I didn't see anything in the rules on this subject?;)

Later

Phil:):)

[Joey Hornick]

Phil,

Reverse is not allowed.....;)

[plipitkc]

Ronnie R where are you Dr Phil is calling. Need a ride at CBJ, Call me.

Phil 913-530-9109

[Allan Webster]

I'm assuming there are going to be some electrical avail? Or do I need to bring a generator.

Thanks
al

[slufoot78]

Hey Al, there were plenty of electric outlets last year, figure it to be the same this year..... might throw in a long cord though depending on where you decide to pit...Where I pitted last year I used about 75 feet of cord. Hope this helps.. Patrick

Backyard Racing Chassis
Holt Graphics Broken Arrow

[Allan Webster]

Hey Thanks for the info/warm fuzzy!!!

A bit of a drive and don't really want to lug a generator around.

I'll bring some cords.

Thanks again,
al

[Holt Graphics]

Come visit us at the HOLT GRAPHICS booth during the show. We'll have graphics packages, full and half wraps, wheel dots, sprint engine decals, contingency decals sheets, window graphics, shirts, and much more!

Jason Holt
Holt Graphics
www.myspace.com/holtracinggraphics (http://www.myspace.com/holtracinggraphics)

[plipitkc]

What time does the track open on Tuesday for practice?

Phil

[loopedout]

Finally ready. Just lacking the new custom painstakingly made Holt Graphics now:greenflag:

[hljudd]

What time does the track open on Tuesday for practice?

Phil

The track will be open for practice at 9 A.M. on Tuesday morning.

[plipitkc]

Howard, You write tired and thanks.

The first dead soldier of the weekend hit tonight. My EDM rolled out of the truck seat while I was loading up and smashed the right rear corner of the body...Not smashed, that's something that happens on a warm night. broken into several pieces, Shattered, is a good description of the corner now.

I should be there around 10.

Phil

[racerjmh]

Maybe you can get a new body there and have HOLT GRAPHICS do a complete wrap?

[plipitkc]

That was my wife's thoughts also.

[Chris K]

What I've come to know as 'charge & check' day - charge everything and CHECK everything!

and here's a sneak peak of my new 'pride and joy'!!!!!!!!

http://www.dirtoval.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13217/normal_IMG_9589.JPG

Hopefully it will work - it's never been run! :)

BUT, I have it from a couple of VERY good sources that it's just fine the way it comes out of the box!!!!!!!!!

Sooooo, remember - be gentle on the 'old man' and I'll try to return the favor!

[Holt Graphics]

We're gonna set up our booth Tuesday evening..around 6pm-ish. Might be able to do some stuff tonight, depending on how late they let us stay. But we'll be there VERY early Wednesday morning.... got LOTS of cool stuff to offer! Got a new "contengiency decal" set we just finished. Along with the wheel dots, half wraps...full wraps...sprint car engine compartment decals (to use with the losi bolt on headers).

Let me know if there's anything anyone would like us to do, graphics wise, and we'll see what we can do!

We'll have the pre-ordered shirts there Wednesday morning.....with a limited supply of extra for sale.

Can't wait!!!

[FULLT1LT]

ROLLIN OUT NOW GUYS!!!!! I will have 7-2008 C+M bodies for sale for $40 each.There are 15-2009 C+M bodies for $55 that are being shipped and will be available tomorrow or thurs.Look me up if interested. Thanks Brad Dyer

[Chris K]

Is there WiFi in the building that the Chili Bowl Jr. is being run in??????

[Joey Hornick]

I heard that there is because that is how they are going to broadcast the races. I didn't have time today to check for any WiFi hotspots. Sonny would be one to ask if he has access to email while he is there since he setup the live feed.

[hljudd]

No there is no WiFi in the building, nor is there even any hard lines for internet. LiveRC.com is out as of right now. The only way we will get any internet access is if the fair grounds people run about 250 feet of cable to our building and I'm not holding out for that.

[Chris K]

THE article is in the May 2009 issue of RC Driver!

I received my subscription copy today so the other subscribers will be getting theirs in a day or so!

Non subscribers will have to be patient for a week or so until the copies hit your local hobby shop &/or Wal Mart!

[loopedout]

Post pics up if anyone has some

[Chris K]

Post pics up if anyone has some

I sent a memo to the moderators asking for some help on batch posting pictures - that was 4 weeks ago - I'm sure they're busy but after 4 weeks I'd say that they are just plain not interested in helping out.

So, if you know a moderator or someone who can help, please hook me up with them - I've got LOTS of pictures but NOT enough time to post the one at a time into whatever category they need to be posted into.

What I asked is if an EVENT gallery can be established for pictures.....

[BrianD]

I sent a memo to the moderators asking for some help on batch posting pictures - that was 4 weeks ago - I'm sure they're busy but after 4 weeks I'd say that they are just plain not interested in helping out.

So, if you know a moderator or someone who can help, please hook me up with them - I've got LOTS of pictures but NOT enough time to post the one at a time into whatever category they need to be posted into.

What I asked is if an EVENT gallery can be established for pictures.....


You have a PM

[711nick]

man I really would like to see your pics of the chilli bowl!

[Chris K]

Here ya go guys!!!!!!!! Finally found a 'warehouse' for them!

http://chris-k.smugmug.com/gallery/7745779_23RML/1/500797500_4UTLG

[JW8]

Chris- thanks for posting them. They look killer!

[Hconcepts]

Those are great!!! next year just stay around Doug or Lars and get ur pics. taken ;)!!! LOL!!! J/K!!!

[racerjmh]

Thanks Mr. K! Awesome as always.

Jim Harden

[steve w]

Great job Chris