Whats up for 2008.

[Bulldog_Wally14]

OK guys. Since I don't think I have email addys for everyone who is either a series regular or track operator, I'll just air this out for everyone.

So whats going on for 2008? No, I've not been hibernating.....but I have been coming up with some goals for the WDRA in 2008, and here they are:
1) Get more racers involved.
2) Cut down on travel.
3) Involve more tracks (there has been quite a bit of interest).
4) Try and keep up with all of this new technology that we have.

And heres how I think we can best achieve all of this:

The Series:
We're going to shake things up a little this year. Point standings will be based on the 2008 WDRA Championship Series races AND either the Eastern Regional Series or the Western Regional Series. You will be able to drop your worst finish in each series, so every driver will get 2 drops.

Championship Series: This series will be comprised of 5 or 6 races all held at the bigger tracks that can handle the speeds of the open modified class (more on this later). The Summernationals will be part of this series. I have not contacted all of the tracks for scheduling, but here is the prospective list of tracks:

Chico's
Liberty Valley
Finger Lakes
Master Hobbies
LA Speedway
Kipp's (pending construction)

Eastern Regional Series: Kirt Coonradt from the Capital District club has been contacted and is willing to help out with the Eastern Region. These are smaller size tracks, where the confines are a little tight for Open Modified. Here are the prospective tracks:

Competition Hobbies
Pine Bowl
GMX (Connecticut)
To Be Determined

Western Regional Series: Again, these are the smaller tracks, where running Open Modified is not very practical. The Western Series coupled with the Championship Series should be fairly status-quo for most of the current WDRA racers. Here are the prospective tracks:

Redneck Dungeon
Radio Hill
Little O
Joe's

The Classes:
All body and chassis rules will remain the same. Battery limits will go up to 4600.

Open Modified EDM- In 2007, the Modified class was, quite frankly, poorly attended. For this reason, I've decided that this class will only run at the bigger tracks. I think that this will help out with closer racing, and turning the Mod class into something special again. About the only rule change is that brushless motors will be allowed...don't worry, all races are going to be 4 minutes, so the efficiency issue shouldn't be a problem.

Big Block EDM- Many of the tracks are moving in the direction of running 19 turn motors for their weekly racing. I think this is a good move and seperates the Big Block class from the Small Blocks by not only skill, but also by rules. For ease of teching, the motors will be limited to fixed timing "spec" 19 turn motors with tagged armatures, and no mixing and
matching. I'd like to hear everyones opinion on limiting it to one specific motor (like the EPIC based or Checkpoint based). 27-turn stock motors will also be allowed.

Small Block EDM- First of all, for '08 we'll be back to Stock Motors only. If there is interest, we'll look at the 17.5 brushless motor, although I'm a little skiddish based on what happened last year with the 13.5s. There will be a list of drivers who are ineligible to run Small Block.

Brushless EDM- New class! THis will be our most techno-progressive class. The motors will be Novak 13.5s only. LiPo batteries will be allowed, but not mandatory. One or 2 LiPo packs will be spec'd out as the only legal packs. Steve Harris and Dylan Watier of the Little O and Joe's Speedways respectively have been doing some research into LiPo technology and will be deciding on one or 2 packs that they will allow at their tracks this year. The WDRA will follow their recommendations in this area.

I'll be working on a schedule in the coming weeks. I'm shooting for starting with the indoor tracks in the Western Series in late March and wrapping everything up by mid-September. I welcome questions and concerns. Some things will be up for discussion, but most are the way it is.

Wally

[DirtFords1]

Paul,Good to see GMX in the Eastern Regionals.Thanks.If you need anything,let me know.I'll do what I can to help out.Thanks again.:thumbsup: :checkeredflag:

[siggy99x]

What happened to Bumps and newville

[DIRTOVALDAVE]

WALLY WHEN IS THE LIST GOING TO BE RELEASED FOR INELIGBLE SMALL BLOCK DRIVERS:confused: THANKS DAVE LOUGHEAD

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Post that much info and your doomed for Questions! LOL....

As a Newbie to the WDRA and Electric Brushless EDM racing.... I have a few Q's. The PA Tour just announced that they will be running the 13.5 EDM class as part of the PA Nitro Tour... (Which has re-peaked my interest in Electric racing)

Which 13.5 Novak system is legal? The GTB Pro Stock that retails for $260ish or the XBR Sport/EX system that retails for $170ish??? Or will both be?

Also.. on the limited Lipo's that will be required have you coordinated any efforts with the PA tracks as to what pack(s) they also might allow given their 13.5 EDM class is so similar??? I'm going to have to buy a LIPO and it would be great to get one that would work for both Series...

And lastly a thought... I've been eyeballing a 4500mah 7.4v 2 cell Lipo from Trinity. It's P/n: is TRI20218 and retails for like $80-85 bucks! It's a pretty good price, a trinity product, and has the hard case like the Orions,etc... But with a bit higher MAH for the price..

Thanks! Sean

[Mike Jeffery]

No Dave I'm not on the list.
Mike

[terry14]

novak 13.5 only? is this rule set in stone , or will we be able to run any 13.5? if it's a done deal , why just novak? i have heard lrp's run cooler. i am going to invest in one so please let me know asap.
thanks
terry

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

terry14,

I second your thought... there's lots of 13.5 motors out there... not to mention Speed controls...this is what the PA Nitro Tour - 13.5 brushless EDM rules look like at first glance...

"any 13.5 motor (ie. novak, lrp, orion, MUST be able to identify 13.5 on can of motor) ANY speed controller. Any 2 cell LiPo or any 6 cell NiMh"

I personally hope the WDRA comes up with something similar to this so myself as well as many racers could potentially run both series with all the same equipment.... It would be a win/win in my book if that one class shared all the rules. The PA Nitro Tour is mirroring the USOW rules...

[terry14]

exactly....i can't afford to run both series if the rules arn't the same. one of the biggest selling points with brushless is cost. it doesn't help if the rules are all different.

[dylan]

not to speek out of turn for wally the speedos for the the 13.5 class he will probaly use the list he had last year. as for the lipo battery i would like to know what the pa nitro tour is thinking of using. so we can get on the same page.

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

LOL,

this debate on the brushless rules package has be on many forums this winter and I think the point that is winning out is pretty clear... The rules need to be the same for similar classes... Nitro racing has managed to find pretty common rules packages and even the Nitro Tour is taking steps towards a more regional rules package with the "limited" classes which require the use of common engines...they don't regulate the FUEL, Muffler, or other things thought that do make minor differences in HP & Torque...

Well in electric it's almost that easy...LOL For the most part a 13.5 brushless system with brand X speed controller and brand Y 7.4v Lipo will be "ABOUT" the same... Yeah there might be a slight different here and there but that's like saying the gravity at a given location might be different depending on the time of day.. Sure.. Maybe.. but does it affect how I walk down the street? heck no... To pick ONE motor,esc, and battery manufacturer is not only unfair to the "unchosen" manufacturer's out there but also will limit those who want to race in the series...

I for one am very BRAND loyal... Plus I'm a cost racer... I personally don't care for Novak. Their products until recently have been OVER-priced and I am a Traxxas and Mamba user... They until recently have cost a LOT less and work just as good... thus I own them... The Novak systems for YEARS where in the 250-275 range and that was simply TOO much... The Mamba systems started around $210 and now are widely available for $160 and the newest editions are under $150!!! GOOD STUFF...

So why limit us to ONE brand??? I say NOT for me... I hope they reconsider.... If not they are missing out on some of the crowd that will run the PA Tour under a more open rules package....

[Harris03]

The Brushless Motor will DEFINATELY be a Novak. We allowed the 13.5 last year so some racers already have one. One of the things Dylan and I are looking into is also allowing 17.5 and 21.5 motors (somedays a 13.5 is too much on a dry track and turning down the wick makes you faster in the end)

We are experimenting some with the lipo right now on the indoor tracks, but what Dylan and I are looking do to is follow the lead of some of the other series like the BRS. This looks to be leaning toward the Orion 2cell 7.4V packs.

The main idea here with the brushless class is to guys a place to run this type of lower maintenance technology and to put everyone onto a spec playing field. We dont wnat this to turn into a motor of week or battery of the month deal.

For this purpose the Novak motors and orion batteries will be spec. Over time other motors will continue to come out and they will be evaluated. The rules for 2006 are being changed for 2008 and Im sure that we will learn alot this year and that will be reflected in the rules made in the future.

[terry14]

thanks for the info. so 13.5 for sure , possibly 17.5 and 21.5 as long as its novak. hmmmm. nice to have options as long as its novak. my racing calandar just got smaller. is there any specific reason for only one brand?

[dylan]

thanks for the info. so 13.5 for sure , possibly 17.5 and 21.5 as long as its novak. hmmmm. nice to have options as long as its novak. my racing calandar just got smaller. is there any specific reason for only one brand?

right now there is mo manufacter specs like the roar 91 rules. so any manufacter can build any thing and put 13.5 on it. this is the only reason for the novak motor.

like steve said about the orion battery it already has the humps in the bottom so it will fit in our cars. this is new to us and we are trying to do the best we can so it doesn't turn into the flavor of the month.

as far as speed controls go if you can interface it with a computer you can't run it.

[signman501]

Final rules for the 13.5 brushless on the PA Tour are not final yet. We are going to look at what the WDRA does with their rules as well as what is out there. We would like to make the brushless classes as close as possible.

[Dan Gill]

The Brushless Motor will DEFINATELY be a Novak. We allowed the 13.5 last year so some racers already have one.

This looks like you just told a group of guys with "other brand" 13.5's in their box already, they can't come race unless they spend more money to have the exact same motor with a different name on the endbell - as far as car count is concenered, you may want to open this up to accept what these other clubs are doing as long as there are no apparent advantages....

[jeff@vinyltrix]

WALLY WHEN IS THE LIST GOING TO BE RELEASED FOR INELIGBLE SMALL BLOCK DRIVERS:confused: THANKS DAVE LOUGHEAD

dave your on that list already!! :D:);)

[hotshoe8t]

For Big Block EDM 19t, I would not limit it to one motor, allow the roar approved motors and also allow in the Checkpoint Money 19turn. The only Roar approved 19 turn spec motors on the approved motor list are the Cameleon 2 and the Komodo dragon by Trinity. I would definitly allow the CP money motor in though, a touch slower motor with better brush life over the long haul. Other than that everything looks good.

[Dan Gill]

right now there is mo manufacter specs like the roar 91 rules. so any manufacter can build any thing and put 13.5 on it. max this is the only reason for the novak motor.

like steve said about the orion battery it already has the humps in the bottom so it will fit in our cars. this is new to us and we are trying to do the best we can so it doesn't turn into the flavor of the month.

as far as speed controls go if you can interface it with a computer you can't run it.


okay - this all happened while I was typing - Thanks for the explanation Dylan, if this is the case, that makes sense, I'm sure you guys are looking at every angle, and the decisions you guys make will likely be supported.. I appologize for an uneducated statement about the 13.5's

[Bulldog_Wally14]

Guys:
Sorry for not chiming in sooner. I've been traveling with limited access to the internet in the past few days. I'll be home tonight and there will probably be quite a few more questions, but I'll try to get to them all in the next few days.

I just saw the 13.5 class for the Nitro tour, and I definately want to get the rules as close as I can. Like Dylan said, as much as we rip on ROAR, they do have a standard that brushed motors are built to, and we all use it. The brushless motors don't have that. I hate to spec out a single motor, but I don't want to get into the "motor of the week" war, because these things are expensive compared to a $40 stock motor.

Wally

[Rcer19]

i love this chit, LOL, look i know we would all like rules to be close and the same for everyone, and as cost effective as possible, but in REALITY restricting a guy as to what type or brand to buy is not good, Some guys work very hard at getting good at this stuff and are fortunate enough to get sponsorship, and they deserve to run their sponsors stuff, they EARNED that right

[racer34v]

i love this chit, LOL, look i know we would all like rules to be close and the same for everyone, and as cost effective as possible, but in REALITY restricting a guy as to what type or brand to buy is not good, Some guys work very hard at getting good at this stuff and are fortunate enough to get sponsorship, and they deserve to run their sponsors stuff, they EARNED that right

If your sponsored you can probably afford to buy a 70$ motor to be legal....

[Harris03]

The Brushless Class is not intended for Factory sponsored guys that are looking for a place to show their skills and talents...That class already exists, its called big block.

We are hoping to create a brushless Brushless class that is an intermediate class one for racers that enjoy the brushless technology and also for those running the existing classes that want a second class to run in as well. But the main hope is to introduce this as a spec class to keep things on the simple side of the tech table and competive for both new racers and veterans.

An Orion Battery and a Novak motor may or may not be the best product on the market and as the year goes on Im sure they will come out with even more stuff. What we need to do is pick a starting point and then evaluate new things as time permits and modify the rules as things are learned. But first we need a benchmark to start from that every single racer has the availability to get the same gear.

No rules are ever cast in stone. All rules can be changed as time goes by.

[terry14]

that all sounds great , it realy does. i am all for rules and siplicity. i also believe this can be done without being brand specific. it has been done for years. there isn't a brand picked out for stock , its stamped ,or not. the class sounds great. i have to buy a system in order to do it. i don't have a problem with that. the thought of the rules changing as the year goes on is scary. i just don't see the point in throwing that much money around because someone likes a specific brand.maybe i could understand it if someone could explaine the brand specific part ( it hasn't been done yet ) in a sensable manner. it wouldn't affect those who already have novak systems. a motor of the weak is not good , thats why it says 13.5 , its simple in my opinion. if a novak label is good , why are the others not? someone needs to realize the real issue here. its not the class , it sounds great , its the idea of brand specific. i run novak esc's in all my cars. i purchased them because of my choice. i purchase my motors according to rules , not someone elses opinion of a brand. i am fairly new to this hobby and can already see why most people say money is the issue. it is what it is. i am only the small guy who doesn't know much yet , but , i believe you are hurting the number of entries by being brand specific. sorry if some of this doesn't make sense , it's just my opinion. the sad part is if i had money to burn i would be watching this thread and laughing the whole time. the reality is if the racers agreed with this , this thread wouldn't be as long as it is.

[racer34v]

If 13.5 meant 13.5 that would be all good, however at this point theres no real benchmark or SAE type test that every manufacturer follows.....

Novak has historically supported spec oval racing the most. maybe the tracks/ series that run this class can work a deal with novak to sell the motors at a discounted "series" rate..... 5.00 or 10.00 off seems to make everyone happy.....

[racer34v]

I would also prefer to know that everyone is running the same motor..... If the rule is 300 cubes and i am running my 305 chevy and ford comes out with a 302 ford thats downright badass i dont want to have to go buy one to keep up

[cnyrcer]

excellent job as usual Paul...Dylan and Steve will also be a big help I am sure...kinda waiting to here from somebody who is actually going to race the series?...looks like you will gain back the drivers you lost due to the b/l controversy and gain a few more with the addition of the new class....great job!

[Bulldog_Wally14]

Ok, guys...trying to answer as many questions as I can at this point:
As a Newbie to the WDRA and Electric Brushless EDM racing.... I have a few Q's. The PA Tour just announced that they will be running the 13.5 EDM class as part of the PA Nitro Tour... (Which has re-peaked my interest in Electric racing)

Which 13.5 Novak system is legal? The GTB Pro Stock that retails for $260ish or the XBR Sport/EX system that retails for $170ish??? Or will both be?



Any of the Novak 13.5 motors will be legal....I believe there has been 3 generations/versions of this motor. As far as brushless speed controls, as long as it can't be interfaced with a PC, its OK.

[Bulldog_Wally14]

No Dave I'm not on the list.
Mike

Wanna bet? :D

[Bulldog_Wally14]

Some guys work very hard at getting good at this stuff and are fortunate enough to get sponsorship, and they deserve to run their sponsors stuff, they EARNED that right

Nick,
I couldn't agree more. The problem is that there is no "standard" that these things are built to, like stock motors are. These things seem to be in the $80-$100 neighborhood, so if everytime some manufacturer comes out with a motor that says 13.5 and is 2 tenths faster, we'll all have to go out and buy it. I really don't want that since these motors are roughly 2-3 times more expensive than a stock motor. I liken this to handout motors....If you are sponsored by Trinity, and the handout motor for a particular race is a Yokomo what can you do? Stay home?

This is not set in stone yet. I have a PM in to Sonny Brown of the Brushless Racing League, who I would consider to be an expert on this subject. Maybe he can even chime in here. BTW, the BRL mandates Novak motors and seems to be growing by leaps and bounds.

[Bulldog_Wally14]

that all sounds great , it realy does. i am all for rules and siplicity. i also believe this can be done without being brand specific. it has been done for years. there isn't a brand picked out for stock , its stamped ,or not. the class sounds great. i have to buy a system in order to do it. i don't have a problem with that. the thought of the rules changing as the year goes on is scary.

Once the WDRA rule is in place, there will be no changes until 2009.

i just don't see the point in throwing that much money around because someone likes a specific brand.maybe i could understand it if someone could explaine the brand specific part ( it hasn't been done yet ) in a sensable manner. it wouldn't affect those who already have novak systems. a motor of the weak is not good , thats why it says 13.5 , its simple in my opinion. if a novak label is good , why are the others not? someone needs to realize the real issue here. its not the class , it sounds great , its the idea of brand specific. i run novak esc's in all my cars. i purchased them because of my choice. i purchase my motors according to rules , not someone elses opinion of a brand. i am fairly new to this hobby and can already see why most people say money is the issue. it is what it is. i am only the small guy who doesn't know much yet , but , i believe you are hurting the number of entries by being brand specific. sorry if some of this doesn't make sense , it's just my opinion. the sad part is if i had money to burn i would be watching this thread and laughing the whole time. the reality is if the racers agreed with this , this thread wouldn't be as long as it is.

Since you havn't been in this hobby very long, you probably don't remember the days of "ROAR approved" stock motors and "Outlaw" stock motors. They were all 27 turn motors, but the Outlaw motors were quite a bit faster. Just because it says 13.5, we may not be comparing apples to apples. Currently there is no standard for wire gauge, rotor diameter/construction, etc. These and others are details that could easily make the "brand X' 13.5 much faster than the "brand Y" 13.5....when "brand Z" releases their 13.5 motor in the middle of the season, now we could be in a situation where you have to go out and drop 100 bucks to stay competitive. This is what I'm trying to stay away from.

This technology is moving very fast right now....so fast that it could price itself out of sight if we are not careful.

[rj14]

Nick,
I couldn't agree more. The problem is that there is no "standard" that these things are built to, like stock motors are. These things seem to be in the $80-$100 neighborhood, so if everytime some manufacturer comes out with a motor that says 13.5 and is 2 tenths faster, we'll all have to go out and buy it. I really don't want that since these motors are roughly 2-3 times more expensive than a stock motor. I liken this to handout motors....If you are sponsored by Trinity, and the handout motor for a particular race is a Yokomo what can you do? Stay home?

This is not set in stone yet. I have a PM in to Sonny Brown of the Brushless Racing League, who I would consider to be an expert on this subject. Maybe he can even chime in here. BTW, the BRL mandates Novak motors and seems to be growing by leaps and bounds.

I am assisting with the PA Nitro tour rules package, (this is in no way an official post) i have spoken w/ Dylan and it is our intent to work to a common rules package so we can "play together". I plan on talking w/ Paul and Dylan at the dungeon race in a couple of weeks (so i can further assist the PA Nitro Tour Comittee in making their decisions for a rules package). I am in the process of purchasing an inductance meter for us to use for our tech. I look forward to talking with everyone so this deal will be a viable and competitive class for both groups.

[RCRACR20]

Some 13.5 motors have adjustable timing. The Novak has a fixed, non-removable timing ring. I believe for this reason, it would be the easiest to tech.


Wally,

Question #1: Is the brushless/lipo class open to all drivers? As you know, all of the modified guys ran BB Stock also. I think they would all agree that it was in our best interest to run 2 classes due to how long we drove to get to some of these tracks and how long these events tend to last.

Question #2: In my opinion, last year was probably had the best and most consistent turnout in the modified class. There were 7 or 8 drivers running every event and in the running for the points until Chris and Chico Taylor dropped out of the season in August, as compared to the 4 or 5 the previous year. While some tracks are a bit small for full blown modified, it is still fun to run, and still provides some of the best racing in the series. I'd like to see this class remain on the schedule for both regionals, as well as the championship series, and I'm sure there are several racers who will agree. Therefore, any chance of keeping this class available?

Question #3: Upon doing some research for the brushless/Lipo class, and based upon what details have been given on this class, it has become apparent that the Novak GTB and the LRP Sphere TC are looking to be the only 2 HIGH END esc's allowed in this class. Correct? Also, it may not be known by some that the Orion and Peak Performance Lipos are identical. I know Dylan mentioned these batteries have the humps on the bottom of the battery to accomodate the slots in our chassis. Reedy also has a battery coming out, which appears to have a case similar to the Orion/Peak battery. SMC too is releasing a lipo, and I believe these should be considered when deciding on a rules package.


Also sending you a pm on a few other things.

[dylan]

matt i can answer questions 1 and 3. all drivers can run the 13.5 class. as for 3 any speed control with out computer interface. but most likely the novak and lrp ones are the ones most of us will use.

[shiboy]

wondering if the dates are going to be overlapping from east and west regionals or could i race at the two??? i like the 19t bb stock .. as matt said traveling the distance to race , two classes is nice ....so like to see where the brushless goes...

[WEG'S]

wally, where will the summer nationals be this year? :D

mike

[solly]

wally, where will the summer nationals be this year? :D

mike


Solly's Cato R/C Dreamworld

[Bulldog_Wally14]

Solly's Cato R/C Dreamworld

SCRCD is in the running, but I'm not sure I can legally haul enough adult beverage to meet the contractual obligations that are required.

[Bulldog_Wally14]

wondering if the dates are going to be overlapping from east and west regionals or could i race at the two??? i like the 19t bb stock .. as matt said traveling the distance to race , two classes is nice ....so like to see where the brushless goes...



I'm going to try and not overlap them, but I can't guarantee it right now. It won't do you any good in the points to run both, FYI.

[Bulldog_Wally14]

Some 13.5 motors have adjustable timing. The Novak has a fixed, non-removable timing ring. I believe for this reason, it would be the easiest to tech.
Yes, that and other factors.


Wally,

Question #1: Is the brushless/lipo class open to all drivers? As you know, all of the modified guys ran BB Stock also. I think they would all agree that it was in our best interest to run 2 classes due to how long we drove to get to some of these tracks and how long these events tend to last.

Yes, it will be, and I agree with you.

Question #2: In my opinion, last year was probably had the best and most consistent turnout in the modified class. There were 7 or 8 drivers running every event and in the running for the points until Chris and Chico Taylor dropped out of the season in August, as compared to the 4 or 5 the previous year. While some tracks are a bit small for full blown modified, it is still fun to run, and still provides some of the best racing in the series. I'd like to see this class remain on the schedule for both regionals, as well as the championship series, and I'm sure there are several racers who will agree. Therefore, any chance of keeping this class available?

I am not opposed to this. My thinking here is that at some of the tracks (the Dungeon is a perfect example) the 19t or even a stocker will be just as fast. If you guys don't care, I guess I don't care.

Question #3: Upon doing some research for the brushless/Lipo class, and based upon what details have been given on this class, it has become apparent that the Novak GTB and the LRP Sphere TC are looking to be the only 2 HIGH END esc's allowed in this class. Correct? Also, it may not be known by some that the Orion and Peak Performance Lipos are identical. I know Dylan mentioned these batteries have the humps on the bottom of the battery to accomodate the slots in our chassis. Reedy also has a battery coming out, which appears to have a case similar to the Orion/Peak battery. SMC too is releasing a lipo, and I believe these should be considered when deciding on a rules package.


Also sending you a pm on a few other things.

See Dylan's answer on the ESCs. All of these batteries will be considered.

[Bulldog_Wally14]

Guys, I've had some correspondence with Sonny Brown of the Brushless Racing League. For those of you who are not familiar with the BRL, it is a brushless pan-car racing organization based in the midwest, with a very big following. Their rules mandate the Novak motor.

Sonny suggests staying with one brand of motor at this time. Not all 13.5s are made the same way. Some may be wound as a 13.5 but might run as a much faster motor.

He also mentioned that usually the only racers that complain about the Novak rule are those that are sponsored by other companies. His core group of racers could care less and appreciate that everybody is on the same motor. He says it helps eliminate the guessing game and reduces cost in the long run.

To me the bottom line is this, as Sonny stated, "My guys are happy the turn outs keep going up so we will be keeping it the same for years to come". Thats good enough for me.

I am hopeful that in the future there will be a standard for brushless motors to be built to, much like we have with stock motors. That will open things up to other manufacturers.

[terry14]

that sounds good , i can deal with that. i just hope the rules don't change too soon. if i am going to invest in a complete system i would like to feel safe for a while. thanks

[RCRACR20]

that sounds good , i can deal with that. i just hope the rules don't change too soon. if i am going to invest in a complete system i would like to feel safe for a while. thanks

If you have never seen the Novak motor run, you have nothing to worry about. They run like a 19 turn.

Typically, when buying a high end ESC, it is usually a top of the line unit for 2-4 years. Example: LRP Quantum 2, although discontinued, it is still one of the best ESC's you can have in your car, and has been for approximatly 3 years.

[BarryWallace]

Someday i might be fast enough to post something that carries some weight:ha:

[WYD]

matt i can answer questions 1 and 3. all drivers can run the 13.5 class. as for 3 any speed control with out computer interface. but most likely the novak and lrp ones are the ones most of us will use.Just for the record the Castle Line of speed controls all can be programmed without using any computer and the Sidewinder don't have any computer ports. Using the laptop if one wanted wouldn't make them any faster anyways and is no different than guys with 300 and 400 hundred computer radios. Is the Nomadio line of radios going to be not allowed because you program it with a laptop?

[rj14]

Just for the record the Castle Line of speed controls all can be programmed without using any computer and the Sidewinder don't have any computer ports. Using the laptop if one wanted wouldn't make them any faster anyways and is no different than guys with 300 and 400 hundred computer radios. Is the Nomadio line of radios going to be not allowed because you program it with a laptop?

Brian-

Has the sidewinder been released, and does it allow for timing adjustments or is it locked to one setting?

[WYD]

Brian-

Has the sidewinder been released, and does it allow for timing adjustments or is it locked to one setting?I'm testing the Sidewinder now. The combo will be the Sidewinder speedo and Mamba 5700 motor. Speedo should also be sold separately. The release will be in a few weeks. It is actually a lower end speedo vs the Mamba Max but it has new updated software that the Mamba Max don't have yet but will be avaialble to download in the near future for guys that already have the Mamba Max.

The speedo itself can be set to low start timing, normal and high timing. It mainly changes how the power is applied. Kinda like have a punch control like many speedos have.

[rj14]

so it will have the update for the Novak or sensored type motor or not?

[dylan]

the speedcontrol rule is if it doesn't interface with a computer it is ok.

[WYD]

so it will have the update for the Novak or sensored type motor or not?
Well I will know more tonight. I'm running the Orion 13.5 which is a sensored motor. Bench testing went great with smooth accelerations. Will be testing with the Orion and other 13.5's tonight.

[WYD]

the speedcontrol rule is if it doesn't interface with a computer it is ok.Thats cool. My Mamba Max I use the laptop because it is quicker to adjust and the newe Sidewinder I program like most of you guys program your other brand of speedos.

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

WYD,

I agree... the PC programmable ESC's are no more of an advantage than a high end radio... 3PK, M11, Nomadio, etc... Althought MANY will swear up and down that a High End radio is not an advantage... I used my 3PM 2.4ghz radio to run my Mamba setup in electric and let me just say w/ ABS on oval electric racing it's VERY handy.... Tried a pack in practice w/o the ABS function on and then a pack with it on... BIG difference. Saw about a .3-.4 a lap difference because entering the corner I could drive it harder in and not worry about looping it by panic breaking...

I realize this isn't about the ESC BUT it is about the technology.... I see the MOTOR being more of a gain rather than a programable ESC..

I have to give the guys making the rules credit.. WHAT a task....

IMO... if you want to truly level the field...

Require 1 specific 13.5 motor, ESC, and 1 lipo pack... And I mean 1. SAME model and everything.... it will all but take the tech out of what is better here or there... If not you'll always have someone shopping for that slight advantage...

[kipp]

open mod electric. any brushless, any brushed and speed control. any 6 cell battery. easy to tech and no hassles.

[dylan]

open mod electric. any brushless, any brushed and speed control. any 6 cell battery. easy to tech and no hassles.


i don't think that was the debate

[BustedGFX]

Ok, guys...trying to answer as many questions as I can at this point:


Any of the Novak 13.5 motors will be legal....I believe there has been 3 generations/versions of this motor. As far as brushless speed controls, as long as it can't be interfaced with a PC, its OK.
I think thats a great idea, shouldnt be hard to tech at all and it gives everyone a choice.

[BarryWallace]

I think, um, um, nevermind, it doesn't matter what i think, I keep fogeting..... my bad!

[hotshoe8t]

Question #2: In my opinion, last year was probably had the best and most consistent turnout in the modified class. There were 7 or 8 drivers running every event and in the running for the points until Chris and Chico Taylor dropped out of the season in August, as compared to the 4 or 5 the previous year. While some tracks are a bit small for full blown modified, it is still fun to run, and still provides some of the best racing in the series. I'd like to see this class remain on the schedule for both regionals, as well as the championship series, and I'm sure there are several racers who will agree. Therefore, any chance of keeping this class available?



I agree on keeping the mod class on the schedule for all races. Mod was my favorite class to run last season and this year should be even better with the Stock class moving to a 19 turn. My only concern is with the birth of the new class for the brushless cars, are we going to be watering down the car count in the existing classes?

[solly]

I agree on keeping the mod class on the schedule for all races. Mod was my favorite class to run last season and this year should be even better with the Stock class moving to a 19 turn. My only concern is with the birth of the new class for the brushless cars, are we going to be watering down the car count in the existing classes?


It think it might water down the other classes, but you have to start somewhere...........bl/lipo is where the hobby is going. Right now, I only own a 13.5 bl and a few stock motors. I'd have to buy a 19t to run BB, and i plan on buying another bl motor to run mod.

[dylan]

I agree on keeping the mod class on the schedule for all races. Mod was my favorite class to run last season and this year should be even better with the Stock class moving to a 19 turn. My only concern is with the birth of the new class for the brushless cars, are we going to be watering down the car count in the existing classes?


i agree with the birth of a new class it will water down the classes. most of the small tracks (redneck little o and joes) you will run 19 turns anyway do i don't see the reason to run mod also at them. or running your 13.5 car in both brushless and mod. i think it just makes sense to run mod at the tracks that you can run a 15 turn or bigger.

[hotshoe8t]

i agree with the birth of a new class it will water down the classes. most of the small tracks (redneck little o and joes) you will run 19 turns anyway do i don't see the reason to run mod also at them. or running your 13.5 car in both brushless and mod. i think it just makes sense to run mod at the tracks that you can run a 15 turn or bigger.

I understand were Wally's heading with the classes. The only short track were I would want to see full open mod is actually at Radio Hill, other than that it don't really matter, and yes your right that at redneck,joe's and little O most all would be running 19 turn in both BB classes. Most likely I will dedicate one of the cars to brushless, running a 13.5 at the smaller tracks and an open brushless motor at the bigger tracks.