Help Me Keep The Rubber Side Down!!!

[racer37]

So every time I enter the apex of 3 and 4 the car just flips over! It does it every time unless I go really slow. I tried preloading the right spring more but that didnt help. I'm new to this and need some ideas! Thanks.

[twisted]

this is an inherit trait of the slider. theres alot you can do but ill start off with some basics so not to overwhelm you.

go to a thicker oil all the way around , this will help with body roll. i suggest starting with at least 40wt oil but i would recommend 60 in the stock shocks.

put the top wing on its lowest setting to lower the center of gravity.

one more and this is a secrete, lol... take a spring from a ball point pen and put it on the right front shock shaft on the out side of the shock. you will have to take the shock off the car, the spring and bottom shock end off and possibly cut the pen spring to the same length the shaft sticking out of the shock body is. save this mod for last. it may not be needed after you change the above.

hope this helps.

[racer99]

you may want to try turning the front wheel around which will put the right fr. out a bit-add spring spacer a thick one to left rear-also if you put rear springs up front that will also help since they are a bit longer-it sounds like car is rolling over and pivoting off rt. fr.-add much much thicker oil all around--oh are you on dirt or carpet or pavement?-we run hard packed clay in the midwest and these adj. helped me--racer99

[racer37]

are you on dirt or carpet or pavement?

I run on a tacky clay oval. I'm going to try some 40w oil (hobby store was all out of the 60w) and mess with my springs. Thanks for the helps guys. If you have any more ideas, let me know!

[supercreep]

If your racing surface is fairly smooth, get the car as low as you can. Put limiters in the front shocks and remove the bottom shock spacers on the rear arms.

[peanutsprint9]

If your racing surface is fairly smooth, get the car as low as you can. Put limiters in the front shocks and remove the bottom shock spacers on the rear arms.


My thoughts exactly!! I used fuel tubing cut in many different lengths, measured with dial calipers. This way I have adjustment if the car is TOO low at certain tracks we go to.

Carpet, or very smooth clay/dirt, I have mine pinned to the point of almost riding on the ground. At the same time, I am also using about 80w in the shocks. Wife took this car out for the first time and won on carpet. First time she had touched the car, and i could have tweaked it more from there.

[shoemaker]

A very simple fix: take a 1/8 inch strip of black electrical tape and wrap around the outside edge of the right front tire in a clockwise wrap. I use a heat gun to make sure the tape stick well. I also use 60 weight oil all around. This will induce a little push which is a good thing.

[peanutsprint9]

A very simple fix: take a 1/8 inch strip of black electrical tape and wrap around the outside edge of the right front tire in a clockwise wrap. I use a heat gun to make sure the tape stick well. I also use 60 weight oil all around. This will induce a little push which is a good thing.


Also have seen guys but a line of CA around the outer edge of the right front.

[racer37]

Due to the weather, I was unable to practice so last night at the races was the first time i could test it out. For the first heat I went with just 40W in the shocks all around. The car overall was better, but still had a habit of rolling over in the apex of 3&4. So for heat 2 I went with Twisted's "secret" i put the pen spring on the right front shock. he car again was better but still rolled over most of the time. The times it didnt, you could see the left rear coming off the ground. Due to time I was unable to change anything for the main. For next week i'm thinking of going with a set of the aftermarket shocks, but with the stock spring setup (heard that works best) and go with 60W all around. Any other suggestions would be awesome. Due to rules, I do not blieve that I can add anyhting to my tires (i.e tape or compounds)

Thanks again for all of your help!

[twisted]

yea sounds like your to soft all the way around.i would go to the heavier oil with the stock shocks. if you get the after market shocks ,get the losi aluminum ones and i have a set up that works pretty well ill tell ya about.

with the stock ones limit the shock length by adding some internal limiters.just a couple of mm is fine.

one more thing to do is move as much weight to the left side of the car. if your using a personal transponder put that over there.i would say move the rec. too but the servo wire from the steering servo is to short, you would need an extension.

does the rules allow you to change the inserts of the tires ?

[racer37]

yea sounds like your to soft all the way around.i would go to the heavier oil with the stock shocks. if you get the after market shocks ,get the losi aluminum ones and i have a set up that works pretty well ill tell ya about.


does the rules allow you to change the inserts of the tires ?

I went with Losi's aluminum shocks (not the threaded type, against rules) and 60w oil. Alos put a harder foam insert in right rear tire. The guys @ hobby town helped me with that one!

[legend15x3]

I run a very high bite flat asphalt track here in okc and we have all lowered our cars considerably...I believe my car sits at 6 mm on both ends. I added about a 1/4 inch of spacer to the inside of shocks with fuel tubbing to get the car lower and am useing the stock shocks with 100wt oil and some 10w30 motor oil( it only takes about 4 drops or either). Also am using the stock springs but have placed the original front springs on the left side of car and the original rear springs on right side of car. But all the cars in our classes that are going fast with sliders have the cars right on the ground and almost no shock travel in front of them.

[twisted]

I went with Losi's aluminum shocks (not the threaded type, against rules) and 60w oil. Alos put a harder foam insert in right rear tire. The guys @ hobby town helped me with that one!

sounds like you are going in the rite direction.

[red21]

Have you changed to a shock piston with less holes yet? That will help a little.

[babflyer]

100 wt oil all around. That is what the manual recomends for the stock shocks that come on the car. Just info for those that might read this and think they should try 40wt.

[racer37]

If I remember right, that "100wt" oil is a type-o I believe it was supposed to be 10wt...I think.
100 wt oil all around. That is what the manual recomends for the stock shocks that come on the car. Just info for those that might read this and think they should try 40wt.

[needthat22]

i run 70wt. front 90 wt. rear and a harder right front spring no traction roll at all running at bumps and jumps

[Streblowracing38]

ya you right....the stock slider comes with 10wt shock oil.

If I remember right, that "100wt" oil is a type-o I believe it was supposed to be 10wt...I think.

[ta_man]

ya you right....the stock slider comes with 10wt shock oil.
I've read that the 100Wt in the Losi manual was supposed to be a typo. But when I went to drain the shocks to put new oil in, it seemed to be coming out awful slow for 10 wt. So I put 100 wt in all four. Seemed to work great. The guy who beat me this past weekend drove my car and said it handled much better than his (he beat me on driving).

[twisted]

It seems that while everyone is concentrating their traction-roll concerns in the right front of the Slider, that is NOT where it comes from.
Fact of the matter, that with those narrow front tires these cars are fighting for their lives to turn at all. And the problem comes in when all the force has been transfered to the right rear tires and it rolling over on its side, finally sticking, and then traction roll occurs. (We have tape evidence of it)

But it can be cured to some extent with two rather inexpensive and easy fixes:
1) remove the rear tires from the rims, the stock CA seal seperates relatively easily, and replace the soft stock foam inserts with a set of hard foam inserts from Trinity.
2) CA the outside sidewall of the rightrear tire (and inside sidewall of the leftrear)... and if it shows, via the CA's tendency to ghost and not dry totally clear, use a black Sharpie or magic marker to paint the sidewalls and no one will be the wiser ;)

Otherwise, as with any form or racing, it all comes down to set-up.... you can ask around and see what the guys at your track are running (if they'll tell ya) but individual set-up comes down to two things: driving style (so mine likely won't work for you) and track conditions (what works at my track likely won't work at yours)
....and you'll find what works best for you via experimentation.

you are correct. alot of the traction rolling is the tires. i switched over to foams.before i did that though i did try the stiffer foam in the stock tire and it helped some.never tried the ca though.