Sliders...stock, Mod Or Both ?

[twisted]

just curious to what people think about this class seeing how the cars are becoming more and more popular..

do you think sliders should be ran as :

stock

mod

both

[shutes]

the class should be both however there should only be a mod class if there are enough to keep stock class alive if you add mod now the stock class will die there are not enough people running them yet to support a mod class

[racer37]

I think it should remain stock but with some hop-up options. I run the bull-ring in Oshkosh and I love the way they run it. Its a stock class with a handout motor but you can do mods that support durability such as: ball diff, shocks (except threaded body), and steering components. I wouldnt have a problem with a mod calss as long as there are enough cars to run a stock class. The main reason I run the slider class is that on any given night there are 20+ cars to race against.

:thumbsup: to Oshkosh for putting on a great show

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Racer37 has my vote...

Allow durability upgrades. The STOCK packs and motors are VERY quick for what the Sliders are and there is NO need to make them any faster. For those that want to upgrade the crap out of them stay or go to 1/10th Electric Sprints. This class is to help bring new blood into R/C... Not Price out the stock class, create a mod class, and eventually be left with just the mod class which has cars going twice as fast as they were intended too..

STOCK and STOCK alone. That's my vote.... All you MOD happy guys have over a DOZEN different classes to pick from to do your GO FAST modifications. Don't corrupt yet another platform!!!

LEAVE THE SLIDERS STOCK....

[siggy99x]

Stock there are plenty of other classes for the inventive and thse who want to spend money. leave this class staock and in a few years all the other oval classes will benefit. Its just like crate racing helping out the big dirt racing

[smokefan]

I think the question to ask about the sliders is stock considered just motor. or motor and battery. OR BOX Stock and run as is out of the box. Some tracks are running Stock motors and any batt and some stock motors and any 1100 batt and then there are tracks that are saying BOX Stock only. It would be nice if MOST of the tracks got on the same page with these. So that if people so choose they could run other tracks with out major issues.
Just my .02

[huffrcman]

Run them box stock but maybe allow the Losi hopups listed on the back of the box.Most of the parts are for durability like the tie rods.

[supercreep]

Competition RC in OKC is running a spec Slider class. Only allowed changes are shocks, gearing, and ball diffs (stock one seem to go out quick at our track). There is actually a $28 claim rule on the battery. The class has brought new people to the track as well as given the regular nitro guys a cheap way to race indoors. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: stock:thumbsup: :thumbsup: is the way to go.

[twisted]

Racer37 has my vote...

Allow durability upgrades. The STOCK packs and motors are VERY quick for what the Sliders are and there is NO need to make them any faster. For those that want to upgrade the crap out of them stay or go to 1/10th Electric Sprints. This class is to help bring new blood into R/C... Not Price out the stock class, create a mod class, and eventually be left with just the mod class which has cars going twice as fast as they were intended too..

STOCK and STOCK alone. That's my vote.... All you MOD happy guys have over a DOZEN different classes to pick from to do your GO FAST modifications. Don't corrupt yet another platform!!!

LEAVE THE SLIDERS STOCK....


i could argue all the things my slider has done to it were done for the purpose of durability....

brushless motor, stock motors have issues,brushes hanging up or what ever it may be..brushless,put it in and forget about it

aluminum shocks.... stock shocks don't hold a build more then 2-3 races

titanium tie rods, stock tie rods pop off and bend easily

ball diff, stock diff self destructs

foam tires...got me there, they just handle better.

1400/1500 packs... these batteries are CHEAPER then the losi ones and are better......no brainer there

so thats 4 out of 6 mods i have done for durability.

[dylan]

the stock class should only be goverened by motor and battery. just like any other class of racing. not saying there doesn't need any more rules. you don't race any other class how they come out of the box. why these.

[Davey27]

I voted for both mod and stock, but I want to say only alow mod if the stock class is growing and strong in car count. I have both a stock and a mod with a BL motor and better shocks,the mod is a handfull to drive unless you turn the motor down to just a little faster than stock :-)

[twisted]

I voted for both mod and stock, but I want to say only alow mod if the stock class is growing and strong in car count. I have both a stock and a mod with a BL motor and better shocks,the mod is a handfull to drive unless you turn the motor down to just a little faster than stock :-)

you aren't kidding, these cars are not easy to drive once you mod them. i managed to get it pretty good over a 4 week period.

i want it to be known im not agains one or the other as some may think.im just a veteran racer that prefers to spend less money but still have the excitement of a fast car.

i want to see this class grow in both forms, mod and stock.

[clodman765]

Stock slider needs to be left alone. We have to have at least one class that a noob can at least think that he has a "chance" to compete. The idea that we are only going to change one little thing is only the door opener. Look at stock truck--this used to be the stepping stone class, but allowed modifications, one at a time, have turned this into a bastard class that nobody runs. 19t truck the same--this started out as a stock truck class with foam tires and almost immediately turned into a mod class with a sort of spec motor. Now only a handful run that class. Allowing any changes to stock slider only opens the door to the next allowed mod.
If you want to go faster or add reliability items --fine, your now modified-- period. Oh, by the way, I just ordered 4 Trinity 1100 matched packs for some guys to run at the "any 1100 pack" tracks. Street price $44.99 each--there goes your econo class! TRI20504 is the part number and they are saying they will have some packs with higher voltage soon. Do you really want to go there?

[Doug Carter]

Oh, by the way, I just ordered 4 Trinity 1100 matched packs for some guys to run at the "any 1100 pack" tracks. Street price $44.99 each--there goes your econo class! TRI20504 is the part number and they are saying they will have some packs with higher voltage soon. Do you really want to go there?


Boy, I LOVE Trinity...

:mad:

[clodman765]

the stock class should only be goverened by motor and battery. just like any other class of racing. not saying there doesn't need any more rules. you don't race any other class how they come out of the box. why these.
It needs to be this class because this is the first vehicle for a long time that looks and acts like a race car in stock form. We don't have time to wait on something else to come down the road, if you want to modify it fine, I'm ok with that, but leave the stock class alone, race yours as a super stock or whatever you want to call it.

[huffrcman]

The reason why I am running Slatemodel is to not discourage the new racers.I have been racing for almost 20 years(sometimes it doesn't show) and don't want to see new racers give up because they can't run with the fast guys.

[Dlan44]

If you want to go faster or add reliability items --fine, your now modified-- period. Oh, by the way, I just ordered 4 Trinity 1100 matched packs for some guys to run at the "any 1100 pack" tracks. Street price $44.99 each--there goes your econo class! TRI20504 is the part number and they are saying they will have some packs with higher voltage soon. Do you really want to go there?


Cool......let them run those $$$$ batteries. With the RC Pro rules they will be claimed for $30 !

Honestly, we can all say "what this class needs" but practically there almost has to be two classes. Personally I would like to see a "PURE BOX STOCK" and a second class like we are hoping to try that allows you to upgrade your car for reliability yet limit the motor and battery. Sometimes as model car racers someone needs to protect us from ourselves. If not we will go the way of slot cars and end up with EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE bullets that will fit in our back pocket that less than a half dozen guys in each region can win with. Then racers will go away because the same two guys win all the time.
Either that or they will prove Doug's theory true (and it DOES have merit) and everyone else will make another class........till the hot shoes move over.........then they will make another one.

[twisted]

thats my whole point ! we need two classes. saying from the get go that we should just have one class imo is being narrow minded.

[racer99]

it seems to me we should start reasonably close to stock maybe gearing-any 1100 battery-maybe even the better dif-just with them few things we shouldn't hit the wall any harder and break the parts that losi didn't make strong enough to move walls-brushless mtr-higher mah batteries i don't think would go faster if the stock mtr and gear ratio were kept stock but should run longer-if you use more mah and gear up mtrs wouldn't hold up-add brushless mtr-more walls get hit -more parts get broke-seems there is all kinds of classes out there for guys to spend money and bend walls -MAYBE-it would be good to keep this slider class stock-racer99

[Speed]

I think it should be both. One Slider class could be for beginers. And the other class should be for veteran racers.:tire:

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

LOL.. call me crazy but MORE votes are in so far for STOCK than "both & Mod" combined!!! I guess you better keep a "STOCK" class around. All I can say to the BOTH voters... if the time comes when there are NOT enough guys running in STOCK class @ your local track... You have corrupted the SLIDER and it's intentions... It's sort of a cause and effect if you will... Here's how I see things from a track owners perspective and a hobby enthusiast in general... It's sorta like the "GENESIS of R/C" Here goes...

In the beginning... you will generally have a group of beginners.... Sliders, Buggies, Trucks, etc.... There's always and entry level class.. It has it's place and function. For the most part it is what should be the breeding ground for new blood and a place for the Slower Pack to learn more. Now in the real world if you corrupt, pollute, and kill of all the game in a "Breeding Ground" what do you expect to happen to the population as time elapses??? (this isn't a test so don't stress too much) The Population dwindles to the dominant few and eventually DIES... well in R/C it's much the same... If you choke out the breeding ground you will eventually lose the one place you get your drivers of tomorrow from. So I say to track owners and drivers.... Do whatever it takes to KEEP that breeding ground SAFE, SOUND, and Well fed like a fat kid in a candy shop screaming, "GIMME GIMME GIMME".

If it means you have 10 guys wanting to race a platform and they are split 50/50 on Stock or Mod... Make them run STOCK. That will take the money out of the equations and if the more experienced drivers are REALLY in it for the competition and fun.. Well that can come AT ANY SPEED so suck it up until there is a stong enough foundation in STOCK to perminantely FEED the mod class.... If not you are planting a Seed without water enough water to grow into a full grown tree... Yeah the sapling looks great until it starves for water and DIES... Sorry but analogies are just running rampent tonight! I guess the reason I still run stock classes and try to resist the URGE to go faster is because I find just as much fun racing a STOCK SPEC class where I am so equal to the next guy that ability and LUCK are the biggest factors...

[twisted]

LOL.. call me crazy but MORE votes are in so far for STOCK than "both & Mod" combined!!! I guess you better keep a "STOCK" class around. All I can say to the BOTH voters... if the time comes when there are NOT enough guys running in STOCK class @ your local track... You have corrupted the SLIDER and it's intentions... It's sort of a cause and effect if you will... Here's how I see things from a track owners perspective and a hobby enthusiast in general... It's sorta like the "GENESIS of R/C" Here goes...

In the beginning... you will generally have a group of beginners.... Sliders, Buggies, Trucks, etc.... There's always and entry level class.. It has it's place and function. For the most part it is what should be the breeding ground for new blood and a place for the Slower Pack to learn more. Now in the real world if you corrupt, pollute, and kill of all the game in a "Breeding Ground" what do you expect to happen to the population as time elapses??? (this isn't a test so don't stress too much) The Population dwindles to the dominant few and eventually DIES... well in R/C it's much the same... If you choke out the breeding ground you will eventually lose the one place you get your drivers of tomorrow from. So I say to track owners and drivers.... Do whatever it takes to KEEP that breeding ground SAFE, SOUND, and Well fed like a fat kid in a candy shop screaming, "GIMME GIMME GIMME".

If it means you have 10 guys wanting to race a platform and they are split 50/50 on Stock or Mod... Make them run STOCK. That will take the money out of the equations and if the more experienced drivers are REALLY in it for the competition and fun.. Well that can come AT ANY SPEED so suck it up until there is a stong enough foundation in STOCK to perminantely FEED the mod class.... If not you are planting a Seed without water enough water to grow into a full grown tree... Yeah the sapling looks great until it starves for water and DIES... Sorry but analogies are just running rampent tonight! I guess the reason I still run stock classes and try to resist the URGE to go faster is because I find just as much fun racing a STOCK SPEC class where I am so equal to the next guy that ability and LUCK are the biggest factors...

i never had a problem with a stock class. iam one that would rather see "both" classes. to me its the smart thing to do...

why ?

1, a seasoned driver is gonna whoop up on a newbie and possibly discourage the newbie from racing any more...

2, a newbie might be in the way of the faster guys (yes i know ,better drivers should know how to get around lap traffic but doesn't always happen that way) and the seasoned racer gets mad.

having two classes just keeps the above from happening.

now if there arent enough for two classes i would get a vote on what the racers want to run.if at your track its all new guys, then buy all means run stock.vice versa for mod.

limiting a class because of the car is stupid....support the driver and his/hers abilities and have class for them, not a specific car.

[rj14]

this time next year the class will be dead, so what does it matter.

[RocketRonbo]

when we built the first prototypes we were building a car that
could race with the 18t. Also josh and I are sprint car fans.
His car was 7 cell and mine was 3cell lipo (1320). They were
fast and fun, and as sprintcars with foam tires we were pretty
competitive with other 4wd cars. Then we were finally able to
get Horizon to buy into the idea and start the project.

Last year at the Racer's Haven west coast national josh's
brother and I raced them (josh missed the race working
on the project over seas)

At this race my slider was not as fast as the late models with
side dams, but I had made a offset chassis (fiberglass) and with a
late model body and won the race. The race rules were any battery
any motor any body. My car was a 9200kv motor and a 3 cell
lipo 1320 mah very fast. It would wheelie at will. I never used more
than 1/2 throttle or it would lift the front end off the ground.
I have one $40 battery and re-run it all nite. I have used it for over 80 cycles.

As for hop-ups required
Rear hubs, because e-clips are too small.
Front spindle carriers.Tie-rods
Diffs. I use the gear diff with the slipper adjusted
to slip alittle. I also added foam pieces to keep pressure
on the outdrives.

As for classes, that I feel is a track decision. If it can be
supported 2 classes. At this years racer's haven race they
had 2 classes limited by battery, 6 cell 1400 or unlimited.

Each track needs to listen to it's customers, they buy the parts
and enter to race.

Ron
(owner of proto-slider #1 or #2 need to ask josh)

[curtisp]

i never had a problem with a stock class. iam one that would rather see "both" classes. to me its the smart thing to do...

why ?

1, a seasoned driver is gonna whoop up on a newbie and possibly discourage the newbie from racing any more...

2, a newbie might be in the way of the faster guys (yes i know ,better drivers should know how to get around lap traffic but doesn't always happen that way) and the seasoned racer gets mad.

having two classes just keeps the above from happening.

now if there arent enough for two classes i would get a vote on what the racers want to run.if at your track its all new guys, then buy all means run stock.vice versa for mod.

limiting a class because of the car is stupid....support the driver and his/hers abilities and have class for them, not a specific car.

Geo,

You make some good points and I completely understand both #1 & #2. But, if there are two classes (stock & mod) of any class of cars (trucks, sprints, EDM, etc.) that doesn't keep newbies from starting way over their head by jumping into a mod class. I've seen it many times. A new guy comes to the track and thinks that it looks cool and wants to get into racing. He sees how fast some of the guys are and a few weeks later, the new guy is at the track as the proud owner of a vehicle that he has NO chance of controlling. He's built a bullet that has to be raced in a mod classes to fit the rules, so he's racing against the veterans, and getting in their way. Then the poor guy is lucky if he gets a full day of racing in before breaking his new ride or possibly rubbing someone the wrong way because he jumped in the deep end before he learned how to swim! (sorry for the annology, just following OTR's lead :D ) Then, how long will the new guy stick around if he can't drive the car? If it is soooo over-powered and he is getting killed weekly, will he stick around?

Now, I completely understand the seasoned racers wanting to modify their Sliders. But, do the veteran racers need to have a mod class just for Sliders or can they race their modified Sliders in a modified 1/18 scale class with other cars like the 18T? Reading Ron's post, I would think that they should be competitive against 18Ts and other minis.

I'm not a mini racer, and I don't plan on ever being a mini racer. I enjoy watching the mini late models and the Sliders, but I have no intentions on racing one. I'm not much on spec classes either, but when Losi released the Slider it became an affordable way to get new racers involved in dirt oval r/c. I would like to see it stay that way just to make it a good way to gain new racers and to keep racers from becoming discouraged.

In the end, it comes down to our local tracks. What do they want the rules to be? Until there is a nationally recognized set of rules for dirt oval racing, none of what we are discussing even matters, because rules vary from track to track.

[Doug Carter]

All good points and arguments. I have only one question...


Why are "seasoned drivers" racing Sliders instead of other classes?

[rj14]

All good points and arguments. I have only one question...


Why are "seasoned drivers" racing Sliders instead of other classes?

why do you think i posted what i did.....

already seeing it happen at tracks, experienced drivers are going out and dominating the class........

won't be long until another dead class hits the morgue of rc racing.......

[huffrcman]

Bang for the buck, buy a Slider, extra battery and a Losi fast charger for under $250.

[LASERMIKE]

All good points and arguments. I have only one question...


Why are "seasoned drivers" racing Sliders instead of other classes?

Doug,

I am in the process of building a gbx enforcer and it is not cheap. By the time you add up the car, radio, speed controller/brush-less system, batteries it adds up to tall $$$$$$ to be competitive. One could buy a slider, brush-less system and three 1600 mimh and still be less than half of what a 1/10 scale costs. If one can race mod class at half the cost, I can only see 1/18 scale growing. I cant wait until I finish up my nitro version of the car.;)

Mike

[Doug Carter]

I guess that's my only problem with the Modified class part of it, in that it's just going to be another class to cherry pick with a $500 carbon fiber, titanium, brushless monster that started life as a $170 plastic toy car.

I donno, I can see the need to modify anything—I enjoy making a kit my own personal style—but in this particular class, I think it will be a downfall in the long run if it isn't kept in check.

[Doug Carter]

So is the need for CHEAP racing or entry level racing?


And how soon before that modified Slider is worth as much as a kit GBX Enforcer?

[races65]

Cheap and entry level. Just the way it was meant to be.

I agree - Sliders should be for the beginners to see if they like dirt oval racing or not.

Guys that been running DO for some time if you wanna buy them to knock around with, that's cool. Just leave the competitive Slider racing to the newcomers.

How much do your 1/8 scale Sprints sell for Mike?

[Doug Carter]

Cheap and entry level. Just the way it was meant to be.


Bingo. :thumbsup:

[Dlan44]

All good points and arguments. I have only one question...


Why are "seasoned drivers" racing Sliders instead of other classes?



BECAUSE IT IS FUN DOOFUS !

I have had more fun racing my Slider than anything I have touched in the last 5 years.

In a price controlled class like we run...........

It is CHEAP

COST EFFECTIVE

COMPETETIVE

RELIABLE

You don't have to spend DAYS getting ready for the next race.

I can carry it everywhere I go with little/no hassle.

THAT EQUALS F U N IN MY BOOK!

(I WAS JUST KIDDING WITH THE DOOFUS COMMENT)

[Dlan44]

So is the need for CHEAP racing or entry level racing?


And how soon before that modified Slider is worth as much as a kit GBX Enforcer?


In "box stock" form it is easy for new racers to learn without spending allot of money..

In a limited stock class (handling/reliability improvements) it gives new racers a easy class to move into with experienced guys. At the same time it gives experienced guys a CHEAP, FUN, COMPETETIVE class to race in to get more track time without beating up their $1500 Nitro Sprint car on a weekly basis.

[RocketRonbo]

this argument has some of the same caracteristics (sp) as the over 40 class in 1/8 offroad. The older guy's want a class to race in but some oldtimers (like me soon to be 50) are discouraged from entering because we used to be fast (only half fast now)

I still see a need for a beginner class but most in this class are sportsman who's ego still want a chance to win. Problem is no one wants to be in the B main any more (I remember the 80's in electric off toad and 370 enteries in one class, there was a kk main.

So much for nostalgia
I am not saying there should not be a stock or limited class but that most that are argueing for it are not beginners.

The reason we built the first cars were because we did not want a $600 rolling chassis sprint car. We did not have an oval program here in socal ( now we do SVM) Some of the rules (no lexan cages for sprintcars) keep out beginners because of cost. You could take your 2wd electric car and put a body on it and race, but noooo not realistic enough thus keeping out beginners.

Remember this is supposed to fun.

Ron

I did try stock motor and 6 cells, not for me.

[LASERMIKE]

Cheap and entry level. Just the way it was meant to be.

I agree - Sliders should be for the beginners to see if they like dirt oval racing or not.

Guys that been running DO for some time if you wanna buy them to knock around with, that's cool. Just leave the competitive Slider racing to the newcomers.

How much do your 1/8 scale Sprints sell for Mike?

Considering the entire car is custom made. It runs $650.00 for a roller minus tires, motor and radio. I was trying to get 1/8 scale going again but the tire issue keeps killing it. I am $100.00 cheaper than my nearest competitor. I am not trying to be a smart Alec but what is your point? 1/18 scale seems to be the biggest growing scale out there. Not every one wants a 1/10 scale car. I have them all 2 1/10 scale sprinters countless 1/8 scale sprinters and now 1/18 and it is a blast. I would rather race 1/18 scale stuff over my 1/8 scale because there is tires, parts available at the hobby shop with out doing extra work to it and spending 800$-900$ for a 1/10 scale to be competitive. Look at monee and the prep you have to do to your tires just to make the car competitive. If you look at the magazines and the web sites 1/18 scale is growing fast, there is new cars coming out all the time. It just seems like people don't want the scale to grow because 1/10 scale is getting smaller. The die hard 1/10 scale guys use terms like "cute" and "toys" but i do not see it that way. Look at custom works. They started out as a proto car then turned into something big. Now it's a house hold name in the dirt oval business. Not to mention that Losi just introduced there new line of brush-less motors. How long do you think it will take for losi to start producing kits with brush-less? In my opinion brushed motors are on the way out, look at the classifieds thats all you see "going brush-less sale". You never see "going brushed sale".

Mike

[races65]

I guess my point is, if you can afford 2 or 3 1/10 scale cars, and countless 1/8 scale cars, why would you be worried about "costs"

[LASERMIKE]

I guess my point is, if you can afford 2 or 3 1/10 scale cars, and countless 1/8 scale cars, why would you be worried about "costs"

I am worried about cost. Who wants to spend 800$-900$ on a car. Do you think I was happy spending that much? No I was not, but that is what I had to do to race. when one can race a stock or mod class at half the cost and still have the fun factor(stock) or the competitiveness(mod), we all win. And the countless 1/8 scale cars is only because I make them.:thumbsup: :beer:

Mike

[smokefan]

The reason why I am running Slatemodel is to not discourage the new racers.I have been racing for almost 20 years(sometimes it doesn't show) and don't want to see new racers give up because they can't run with the fast guys.

Same here!!!! except for the racing for 20 yrs I've been at this R/C for about 7yrs and Yea I know like Huff it doesn't always show. ;)

[smokefan]

Bang for the buck, buy a Slider, extra battery and a Losi fast charger for under $250.

Once again Huff is right. All I can add is 3 kids enough said!!! LOLOLOL

[racer99]

from the guys i talked to at our midwest (MONEE) track i seems that the guys that want the mod class would probably still keep their stock slider and run two classes -now with car counts down that should make everybody a winner-i'm green at this slider class but if you like close racing and courteous passing moodys and sliders are the way to go-just a opinion from the old crowd

[twisted]

Geo,

You make some good points and I completely understand both #1 & #2. But, if there are two classes (stock & mod) of any class of cars (trucks, sprints, EDM, etc.) that doesn't keep newbies from starting way over their head by jumping into a mod class. I've seen it many times. A new guy comes to the track and thinks that it looks cool and wants to get into racing. He sees how fast some of the guys are and a few weeks later, the new guy is at the track as the proud owner of a vehicle that he has NO chance of controlling. He's built a bullet that has to be raced in a mod classes to fit the rules, so he's racing against the veterans, and getting in their way. Then the poor guy is lucky if he gets a full day of racing in before breaking his new ride or possibly rubbing someone the wrong way because he jumped in the deep end before he learned how to swim! (sorry for the annology, just following OTR's lead :D ) Then, how long will the new guy stick around if he can't drive the car? If it is soooo over-powered and he is getting killed weekly, will he stick around?




ive seen this happen myself and i don't have the answer to it. i can only say maybe this is where the track owner comes in ??

[supercreep]

All good points and arguments. I have only one question...


Why are "seasoned drivers" racing Sliders instead of other classes?



A lot of "seasoned drivers" lose their flavor when you take their high priced modifications out of the picture. And most won't stay in the class very long after they get beat by a newbie who can drive.

[twisted]

All good points and arguments. I have only one question...


Why are "seasoned drivers" racing Sliders instead of other classes?


man doug.....i race this class because tis FUN, the cars are neat and i like to race. did i mention they are cheap ?

[twisted]

Bingo. :thumbsup:


bingo??, how can you say the class was meant to be ran stock when ron just posted what he did ?

i don't think there is nothing wrong running them stock, i think its a good idea but i don't see the big problem in 2 classes if the local race community can handle it.

i agree with lasermike also, 1/18 class is only getting bigger.

[races65]

Ok Ok I give. Maybe I will go out and get a Slider to add to my arsenal, but I don't think I will ever be convinced to modify them.

Let's run em' stock and see what everyone has!!

[Doug Carter]

man doug.....i race this class because tis FUN, the cars are neat and i like to race. did i mention they are cheap ?

I get it. But what happens when it's not cheap anymore and guys have $600 Sliders? It's inevitable.



bingo??, how can you say the class was meant to be ran stock when ron just posted what he did ?

i don't think there is nothing wrong running them stock, i think its a good idea but i don't see the big problem in 2 classes if the local race community can handle it.

i agree with lasermike also, 1/18 class is only getting bigger.


Getting bigger at what cost? Are those guys filling the Slider class not running EDM, sprint cars, Bombers, Coupes, trucks or TC late models anymore? I'm already seeing it at some tracks. Sliders are getting bigger, at the sake of other previously strong existing classes. What did YOU race before Sliders, George? What other class(es) have you and others given up on?




I'm done with the debate, it won't matter what I say or do in the long run. The only thing that will prove any of these theories and hypothesis out is when they do or do not come true. I hope that the box stock class can survive for the sake of entry-level beginners, and I hope that the proposed modified class doesn't damage any of the existing other core dirt oval classes, but I fear the worst and a repeat of past class failures.

For now, track owners will dictate how they want the class structured, and like it or not, it probably is not going to be a global rule that everyone will follow. And mark my words, we're not that far from seeing a $500+ Slider setup.

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Doug,

You are Spot on with guys dropping another platform and running the Slider. "Guilty". I have since sold my Nitro EDM and my Electric MOD Truck is up for sale... I have decided to cut my costs of racing and the Slider fits the bill perfectly. It's realism is great, the racing in STOCK or MOD form is a LOT of fun. And the pit box and pocket book you have to take to the track is a LOT less that similar 1/10th scale classes...

It's sad but Since the Slider hit the scene I had changed my goals which had included Nitro EDM for '08 and WDRA possibly for Electric EDM. Since I bought the Slider and had so much fun I have 180 my plans since the Slider is cheaper and has more car counts and support because of it's appeal (Both size, style, and cost)

Sucks but CORE classes are suffering... For me I say control costs in those classes better and you'll have my attention again... But not until then.

[twisted]

Doug, as long as we are racing dirt oval does it matter what class ? i hope you are not one of those guys that look down on "other" classes.

you are rite, there prolly will be 600.00 sliders out there but it doesn't mean 600.00 will win a race.i mean alot of the stuff you can buy for the cars are aluminum items..thats not really gonna make ya faster.

what classes have i given up to race slider ? NONE. im a racer and iam always racing something or other.

last year i raced carpet oval and on road, during the summer i raced a bit of off road and did some rock crawling. year before that i ran all offroad. that winter i ran bb edm. i have a edm being built rite now... so ?

we are not taking away from do we are adding to it.

[Doug Carter]

Doug, as long as we are racing dirt oval does it matter what class ? i hope you are not one of those guys that look down on "other" classes.

George, you have completely missed the point.

Are YOU one of those guys who'd rather race in a class of 4 or 5 cars rather than a class full of 20 or 30?




No sense in arguing any of these points anymore for me. There will always be a select few individuals that want to be on an island, and they don't care how it effects anyone else.

[dylan]

George, you have completely missed the point.

Are YOU one of those guys who'd rather race in a class of 4 or 5 cars rather than a class full of 20 or 30?




No sense in arguing any of these points anymore for me. There will always be a select few individuals that want to be on an island, and they don't care how it effects anyone else.

everybody would like to race with 20 or 30 others. but people get discuraged and don't come back. either by junk cars or guys taking things too sreiously. there needs to have a place for everybody to have fun. multable classes fixes these problems. the box stock sliders are just there for new people not experinced racers. i own one and all i could think of is what needs to be done to make them better. this is what i think geo is thinking and i agree with him.

[twisted]

everybody would like to race with 20 or 30 others. but people get discuraged and don't come back. either by junk cars or guys taking things too sreiously. there needs to have a place for everybody to have fun. multable classes fixes these problems. the box stock sliders are just there for new people not experinced racers. i own one and all i could think of is what needs to be done to make them better. this is what i think geo is thinking and i agree with him.


thanks dylan.

George, you have completely missed the point.

Are YOU one of those guys who'd rather race in a class of 4 or 5 cars rather than a class full of 20 or 30?




No sense in arguing any of these points anymore for me. There will always be a select few individuals that want to be on an island, and they don't care how it effects anyone else.Doug im not trying to argue with you im just disusing what i think, maybe im not doing a very good job of it, im not hear to not make friends or tick anyone off.

iam i one of those guys that like to race against 3-4 racers ? yes and no. iam happy to be able to race and if its against 3 other people its fine.

i understand what you are saying about thinging the field down.its just that i have a different opinion on it then you do.

its good to have alot of opinions here, if we didn't we all would be running the same stuff all the time. what fun would that be ?

and i do CARE how things effect other racers. ask anyone i race with.

[wait a minute]

"its good to have alot of opinions here, if we didn't we all would be running the same stuff all the time. what fun would that be ?"

i believe this is called spec racing..is it not?

[twisted]

"its good to have alot of opinions here, if we didn't we all would be running the same stuff all the time. what fun would that be ?"

i believe this is called spec racing..is it not?

yes mike, running all the same stuff would be called spec racing. :confused:

[ScaryLarry]

So is the need for CHEAP racing or entry level racing?


And how soon before that modified Slider is worth as much as a kit GBX Enforcer?
Doug, aren't forums great! Lots of opinions! So here is mine. It needs to be cheap and entry level. I stand in the pit area and I see alot of 30 to 40 year old guys, some in their 50's like me. But very few kids. You know the guys who are going to be spending for another 20 years. I've also run across guys who have been away from the hobby for 20 or so years, like me, that are really put back by the high cost of todays cars. And then there are the pit walkers, those 20 somethings that are looking to get in to the hobby, who are also scared off by costs. People need a place to get started, younger peaple need a foot in the door. I got back in to the hobby by bringing a 25 year old scratch built offset EDM back to life. Then bought someones discarded old (new to me) chassis and some parts to at least be competetive with the back markers. Now I'm just finishing an all new EDM. Now I could have easily gone out and purchased everything brand new the first time around, but I would'nt have learned enough about the new EDMs. They're not what I hand built 25 yrs ago. All that being said, entry level bring in new blood at a cost they can afford. This new blood will want to go faster as soon as they learn how to drive. They will then move up to mod classes and spend lots of money, that keeps the shops going. And just like all of us, we need to try a new class of racer. Build it and they will come?

[twisted]

its easy as i said so many times....two classes.

[savageguy81]

isn't the purpose of the slider is to get people into dirt oval for a low price .if you make a mod class with brushless and lipos when you add that probally close to 400 bucks ready to race and if you have 1 class ,that alot more people to race with and alot of compition

just my 2 cents

[ScaryLarry]

isn't the purpose of the slider is to get people into dirt oval for a low price .if you make a mod class with brushless and lipos when you add that probally close to 400 bucks ready to race and if you have 1 class ,that alot more people to race with and alot of compition

just my 2 cents
Thats the idea! Give them a low cost car to get them on the oval. Once you get them started, and they gain more experience they will naturally was to mod their cars and move up. and maybe try another class of car. I think thats what happens to most of us. The Slider seems to be a great starter car, that even people with limited funds can get into racing. I have talked to guys that have been out of the hobby for 20 some years that are really put back buy the costs involved in todays cars, and they're going with the Slider.

Another 2 cents

[twisted]

who's says the car is meant for a beginner or is meant only for spec class racing... ? if you want to run mod and spend 400.00 on stuff for the sliders why not ?

funny just yesterday i heard of a track that was running a stock slider class and it dwindled to nothing as people were fed up with the stock cars breaking.... this is one mans words and could be just a rumor i don't know.

another example to look at...

say a racer wants to go fast but cant afford to buy an edm set up.400.00 dollars and he can go fast in sliders and have fun....(even cheaper)

shouldn't the classes be labeled for beginner or expert etc. and not the car ??? oh wait .......... it already is.

[savageguy81]

no i didn't say it was , because theres alot of expeireced racers that have them ,but i can kinda see where your coming from, so like you said and amature class or begginer and an expert

[nano cup]

Hey Guys, Just like real life 360s stock, 410 run what ya brung! Rich.

[Stivy]

I'm not sure why this is such a topic. Most places I've been, if you have four cars, you have a race.

I would like to think that people make the difference, not the rules. I remember the first time I started, it was the help and support from the local racers that held my interests. Not finacial help, but setup help and advice on how to drive. When somebody would come up and help me repair the car when I broke something. That is what kept me in the hobby.

Sometimes it's not the cost that keeps new people out, it's the lack of interest when you go to the race track and can't have any fun.

I myself would run the stock class or the Novice class, if that is what they still call it. But I would like the option to move up to a faster class without having to buy another whole car. In time, I would have the cash to buy upgrades, but maybe not a whole different car.

Just my 2 cents.

[twisted]

Sometimes it's not the cost that keeps people out, it's the lack of interest when you can't go to the race and have fun.



couldnt of said it better.

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Look @ bumps-n-jumps Slider class... Stock but with durability upgrades only.... LOTS of participants!!!! Looks like a lot of fun!

[clodman765]

We have chosen to stay with box stock with asc 1100's allowed, no other mods. This is the way the class will remain, right or wrong. The persons wanting to run modified are running late model bodies.
The stock class isn't and shouldn't be for everyone's taste. We will keep the stock class because for the first time, ever, when a parent or new person walks in the door of the hobby shop and wants to know what it costs to race, I can give them a straight answer without having to lie about it. Here' the box-everything you have to have is in there. Period.

[twisted]

We have chosen to stay with box stock with asc 1100's allowed, no other mods. This is the way the class will remain, right or wrong. The persons wanting to run modified are running late model bodies.
The stock class isn't and shouldn't be for everyone's taste. We will keep the stock class because for the first time, ever, when a parent or new person walks in the door of the hobby shop and wants to know what it costs to race, I can give them a straight answer without having to lie about it. Here' the box-everything you have to have is in there. Period.

so up untill the slider came out you were lieing to customers to get them to buy other kits ?? :confused:

[DarrinNumbers]

Can we not just be encouraged about having our sport grow? I would welcome anything that encourages more people to participate in DO racing... Most people start in classes that are available, and if they enjoy it, they move on to something bigger and better.... Guys this is a hobby and it is built on the "jones's" the desire for something bigger and better......

I build a 1/18th scale DO in my workshop this year for the winter season so we had a place to go indoors when it is cold.... Since racing sliders and the conception of this track, already 4 people in my area who race at my track have purchased CW GBX Enforcers for the summer race season!!!!!!! Man talk about getting something going..... Also, they are talking about building a 1/10 and 1/8 DO at our local hobby shop because of new interest in the sport.....

I will no longer have to drive 3 hours one way to race 1/10 scale because of the combined interest in putting a DO in locally,....... which oh by the way is a direct reflection on my 1/18th DO in my workshop!!!!!!

So for all you guys who have DO's around you, yup sliders are changing the way things are!!!! Alot of you see this as something bad because change is sometimes very hard to accept.... But if you see it from my perspective, it is growing our sport to places we have never been before, reaching people who previously had no interest!!!!! Now they are buy sliders, and 500.00 dollar CW GBX's!!!!

Gentlemen, lets just race and have fun! Let reach out to people any way that is effective! This sport is not going away, our hobby is secure! Because of the fact we love it, and will not let it go to the wayside! Do not fear change, but see where it takes us.... I think the new generation needs a little slider in thier life to spark the interest, and that spark will grow into what we know and enjoy so much of.... 1/10 and 1/8 Dirt oval racing!!!!

Just my thoughts....

Darrin NUmbers

[shutes]

so up untill the slider came out you were lieing to customers to get them to buy other kits ?? :confused:


i dont believe that is what he is saying if someone came up to you and said how much does it cost to get started in electric mod edm could you give them an honest and truthful answer no you couldnt why because as we all know this is an ever changing class and you dont know whats going to happen next with the slider hand them the box and tell them to go racing that simple

[fozzy767]

thanks charlie i was gonna stick up for him it seems you already did,i have raced cw sprint cars,19t trucks,stock trucks,sportsman cars,bottom line is i cant run with guys like mark corns,stetler,malicoat,dusty kemp,eugene ryder,stan willis,,i just cant do it.so why try??so looks like people like me just suck....or maybe im out to have fun....btw i have a slider worth 475 dollars,,and i can run with everyone in the class

[twisted]

i dont believe that is what he is saying if someone came up to you and said how much does it cost to get started in electric mod edm could you give them an honest and truthful answer no you couldnt why because as we all know this is an ever changing class and you dont know whats going to happen next with the slider hand them the box and tell them to go racing that simple


ok, maybe he used a bad choice of words but i do believe that is what he said.

if someone came up to me and was inquiring on the costs of racing and what they needed to get into the hobby i could give them an honest answer.i would also point them in other directions if that was out of their price range. i worked at walts hobby for 3 or 4 years and did it on a daily basis.

sliders are not the only cheap way into racing.look at trucks, night be a bit more but it is another option.

[twisted]

Darrin NUmbers, i agree with you.im all for the hobby growing and most of all about having fun.ask anyone where i race how much we have.

my whole interest in the slider debate is why just one class ?,why most don't want or think there should be two, mod and stock.it just makes me wonder and i like to hear peoples opinions.

nothing more or nothing less. debate is fun as long as its civil.

[bump draft]

some guys have mentioned doing certain upgrades, but the truth is that I've raced these Sliders all over the country and the so-called stock class has varied so greatly from one place to the next that it's impossible to walk into a new place on be on the same page. :thumbsdown:
4) if people are so adamant about running them how they come "out of the box" then that's what they need to do --- and have (or propose) running an actual PURELY STOCK or BOX STOCK class and leaving them as they are with NO upgrades (regardless of the excuse). :thumbsup: Otherwise they need to make room for everyone, and quit whining over the sanctonimity of stock racers (that are NOT actually running a stock vehicles either).;).

There's no "one-size fits all" answer to this, so it makes sense to leave it up to the track owners on a track-by-track basis. At my track, we get about 7 or 8 Sliders on a club night while a track in another nearby town apparently gets over 20. While they may be able to split their class and get away with it, we cannot afford to. In addition, our two tracks have different interpretations of what is "stock" and what "durability upgrades" are allowed, so it isn't like we can just walk in at the other track and start racing without seriously reading the rules beforehand.

For those that ache to race their Sliders in Mod form, why not get a group of local or regional tracks together and have have a series of Mod Slider races that are apart from normal club racing (where the beginners show up). I don't know about other areas, but we could probably do that here in WI pretty easily. Then you're not interfering with club night. Problem solved.

By the way, I am one of 4 people at my local track that bought a GBX Enforcer after buying a Slider. The Slider has been good for DO racing by bringing a lot of attention to it. Life is good.

Paul

[savageguy81]

wow this is an on going debate but i like bump draft's idea

[twisted]

3) some guys have mentioned doing certain upgrades, but the truth is that I've raced these Sliders all over the country and the so-called stock class has varied so greatly from one place to the next that it's impossible to walk into a new place on be on the same page. :thumbsdown:




very good point.

imo, places that are allowing certain upgrades are doing so because maybe they fear the class may die out if the weak parts keep on breaking and they are not allowed to upgrade them ??

im gonna stick to it...2 classes stock and mod. :thumbsup:

[latemodel13]

I bought a mod slider off dodc and it is a great rc racing car. I don't care if i get to race it or not. I will take it to the track and play with it during pactice. I have seen some good racers buy them and get bored with them then sell them. I'm with Geo . Why can't tracks add a mod class? No one is saying get rid of the stock ones. These cars can be modded and made fun to race.Like others have said it will give guys a place to move up to when there ready.

[twisted]

I hope you're kidding, or maybe it's that you've forgotten what things cost back in those good old days.

The reality of it is, not even including inflation, things now-a-days hardly cost any more than they did back 15 or 20 years ago --- and if you factor in things like inflation and consumer cost index, AND the fact that everything now is far superior than it was back then, and that almost everything now comes complete (RTR) and everything back then needed lots of parts just to get it up to speed - whew - and today's cars are downright cheap in comparison.

thats a good point.i remember begging my mom for a grasshopper kit,radio and battery plus charger. it took awhile for that to happen.i think it was about 200.00 all said and done.

the entry level cars and radios are so much better no its not even funny.

[shutes]

ok, maybe he used a bad choice of words but i do believe that is what he said.

if someone came up to me and was inquiring on the costs of racing and what they needed to get into the hobby i could give them an honest answer.i would also point them in other directions if that was out of their price range. i worked at walts hobby for 3 or 4 years and did it on a daily basis.

sliders are not the only cheap way into racing.look at trucks, night be a bit more but it is another option.


sliders are the only true cheap way to go racing take stock truck by the time you buy a kit,radio,batteries.motors,tires,lathe,decent speed control,decent charger
you could easily spend 800.00 or more forget the lathe and your still around 700.00 and when you tell a parent this they are most likely going to walk away and tell thier kids sorry we cant afford that but when you tell them here is the box with everything you need for 180.00 then the situation changes all of a sudden it is affordable add a 40.00 charger and its still reasonable in the above stock truck scenario im not counting gears or tools or anything of that nature or maintenance costs so yes slider is the only cheap class as far as stock and mod yes i stand by my vote of both but only if the stock class will be strong enuff to support itself and i also belive seasoned racers should be kept out of the stock class for the same reason you stated they will and do dominate the class, locally our seasoned racers are racing mod with latemodel bodies and brushless but with a breakout rule to keep things in check and to keep costs down

[twisted]

sliders are the only true cheap way to go racing take stock truck by the time you buy a kit,radio,batteries.motors,tires,lathe,decent speed control,decent charger
you could easily spend 800.00 or more forget the lathe and your still around 700.00 and when you tell a parent this they are most likely going to walk away and tell thier kids sorry we cant afford that but when you tell them here is the box with everything you need for 180.00 then the situation changes all of a sudden it is affordable add a 40.00 charger and its still reasonable in the above stock truck scenario im not counting gears or tools or anything of that nature or maintenance costs so yes slider is the only cheap class as far as stock and mod yes i stand by my vote of both but only if the stock class will be strong enuff to support itself and i also belive seasoned racers should be kept out of the stock class for the same reason you stated they will and do dominate the class, locally our seasoned racers are racing mod with latemodel bodies and brushless but with a breakout rule to keep things in check and to keep costs down

i agree with ya on the slider being the cheapest way to get into the hobby but its not the only one. your truck guesstimate's are off a bit.

rtr evedar ep 119.99 or evader st 149.99
proline striker tires 11.99 x 2
evader wheels x 2
duratrax piranha digi peak charger 49.99
duratrax 4200 39.99 x 3

total = $355.96

that was added up with the more expensive evader or you can go with the ready to run t4 for 234.99

[shutes]

maybe but your still at twice the money of the slider class and lets face it are you going to be competitive against the guy running a t4 matched batteries putnam stock motors ice chargers dsm radios etc even though its stock there are many variables with the slider class there are no variables there all the same chassis,motor,battery etc im not saying that the evader is not competitive cause ive seen them win against t4 and others im saying unless you spec it and make it all the same youll never be like the slider class and say with the setup you suggested what happens next week when the new hot motor comes out or the new hot speedo then there is more money to be spent thats the way this hobby works we know and accept that but if you stick with stock slider the replacement parts are cheap 15.00 for motor, then people are not as reluctant to get started in this hobby and we need new faces to keep the sport alive cause the same 10 or 15 guys every week is not going to do it, I continue to stand by my vote of both but stock class comes first.I also stand by the fact that is the only true cheap class

[twisted]

lets face it are you going to be competitive against the guy running a t4 matched batteries putnam stock motors ice chargers dsm radios etc even though its stock there are many variables with the slider class there are no variables there all the same chassis,motor,battery etc im not saying that the evader is not competitive cause ive seen them win against t4 and others

aren't you contradicting yourself ?

even if you buy a slider and race SPEC you still need a charger, your not gonna be racing and charging wit the stock wall charger. your also gonna need 2 more packs.


so 180.00 for slider
50.00 for charger
25.00 stock pack x 2
=
280.00

but regardless , this was never my argument. i never seen the reason not to have two classes, stock and mod. not one before the other etc, just 2 classes.

[clodman765]

Your right--out of 15 to 20 newbys, we get one or two, maybe, if we are lucky, 3 good racers that want to stick it out long term. The problem is getting the 15 or 20 newbys to try racing on any level. A spec class is the only way to accomplish that in our ready-to-run world. When most of us posting here started racing, the stock truck class was where you started. The trucks weren't nearly as advanced as they are now and a ready-to-run or even a box stock kit built were fairly competitive at local tracks. A "team" kit was state of the art! Today stock truck is one of the harder classes to compete in. You need the best motor, the best battery and you need the knowledge and ability to make a total package. Gearing has to be dead -on, etc. 19t truck is much easier to be competitive, it just costs more money and of course, the ability to drive a faster vehicle.

[clodman765]

aren't you contradicting yourself ?

even if you buy a slider and race SPEC you still need a charger, your not gonna be racing and charging wit the stock wall charger. your also gonna need 2 more packs.


so 180.00 for slider
50.00 for charger
25.00 stock pack x 2
=
280.00

but regardless , this was never my argument. i never seen the reason not to have two classes, stock and mod. not one before the other etc, just 2 classes.

"Slightly" used sliders are selling for $100 or less, Losi mini peak charger-$19.99, and an ASC 1100 pack for $21.99.

[solly]

I once won a touring car for free.

Touring car racing must be the cheapest form of RC racing

[mpb47553]

Motor and battery Stock all the way!!!! I have seen too many instances where a novice class is started. well then Junior wants to go faster, then everyone else has to follow suit to keep from literally getting their butts kicked. So then they all end up in stock. and novice fades out and 1-2 people are there but can't run. same thing happens there, then you jump to mod. And stock class starts fading out.

I have been there done that. You show up for novice. 3 weekends in a row just to sit and watch. So you shuck out the extra cash to keep from going 5-10laps down and quailify to run in stock meanwhile you aren't used to going that fast and break parts.

Then you sit there for another 3 weekends due to not enough stock to run. By this time most rookies say screw it and go home and sell out and find something else to do.

I know alot of track owners do this sort of thing as a hobby, but 2-3hours of practice one day a week on a track isn't enough!!!!!!!!!!!! I really wish there were more local tracks near me that would open practice more often. There is one track/hobby shop that is open 6days a week for a total of 26hours not including race day. They have one practice nite for 4hours!!!

You have to walk past the track area to get to the hobby shop area. and on practice nite nothing changes. no extra help no nothing. So why have a set 4hour evening to practice????

No I don't know the first thing about track maintenance, but it looks the same on practice night as it does everyother night. So why not let them pay to practice???? more money for the owner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry if I hijacked the thread, I just kinda went on a ranting spree......

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

well,

I wasn't going to chime in but thought I would put in my .02 from a weekend racing in the "stock" slider class. It was a BLAST first off. I have a bone stock slider with the stock battery. 1100mah.

There was not only sliders running, but RC18T's and a few other 1/18th's that were not recognizable. But the cool thing was that there were ALL ages there. One gentleman was in his late 30's and the slider was a Get back into R/C class for him. GREAT time running against him. But I did see one thing that was troublesome to me. There was about 3 guys that were faster than EVERYONE else. Maybe not on lap times because after looking at them the laps were maybe .2-.3 tenths quicker but MAN were they fast. I finished 4th and when I lined up behind any of those 3 guys they had at LEAST 8-10 car lengths on me. Wasn't even close if you know what I mean. I marshal behind one of their heats and after handing off one of the fast cars to the driver it seemed to be a stock slider. 280 motor, etc...

After listening in to conversations in the pits it was pretty clear what was happening... They were charging their stock packs WAY past what I would consider safe.... 3.0-3.4 AMPS!!! WHOA!!! Now I like to charge my packs @ 1.5-1.8 but WAY UP THERE???? I couldn't believe the packs could take a charge rate that high... And one of the guys running them that was charging @ that rate said, Heck I buy a new pack every week and throw them away if they go bad. I want to GO FAST!

As much fun as I had... I think the spirit of the class was lost with these few racers... They were walking ALL OVER the rest of us. Granted some were just plain slower but some that could drive and charged their packs at a "responsible" rate were not as fast... I wish there was a way to regulate this sort of behavior. I know it's almost IMPOSSIBLE to control charging rates but it seems that if that sort of thing continues, the class will suffer...

So.. Maybe a mod class would be a good idea if a track has a deep enough field of stock racers... So that the guys who want to throw away packs and spend the cash can do so... And those who need track time, and a little experience and confidence can race on a more level playing field...

Just my .02.

[savageguy81]

well,

I wasn't going to chime in but thought I would put in my .02 from a weekend racing in the "stock" slider class. It was a BLAST first off. I have a bone stock slider with the stock battery. 1100mah.

There was not only sliders running, but RC18T's and a few other 1/18th's that were not recognizable. But the cool thing was that there were ALL ages there. One gentleman was in his late 30's and the slider was a Get back into R/C class for him. GREAT time running against him. But I did see one thing that was troublesome to me. There was about 3 guys that were faster than EVERYONE else. Maybe not on lap times because after looking at them the laps were maybe .2-.3 tenths quicker but MAN were they fast. I finished 4th and when I lined up behind any of those 3 guys they had at LEAST 8-10 car lengths on me. Wasn't even close if you know what I mean. I marshal behind one of their heats and after handing off one of the fast cars to the driver it seemed to be a stock slider. 280 motor, etc...

After listening in to conversations in the pits it was pretty clear what was happening... They were charging their stock packs WAY past what I would consider safe.... 3.0-3.4 AMPS!!! WHOA!!! Now I like to charge my packs @ 1.5-1.8 but WAY UP THERE???? I couldn't believe the packs could take a charge rate that high... And one of the guys running them that was charging @ that rate said, Heck I buy a new pack every week and throw them away if they go bad. I want to GO FAST!

As much fun as I had... I think the spirit of the class was lost with these few racers... They were walking ALL OVER the rest of us. Granted some were just plain slower but some that could drive and charged their packs at a "responsible" rate were not as fast... I wish there was a way to regulate this sort of behavior. I know it's almost IMPOSSIBLE to control charging rates but it seems that if that sort of thing continues, the class will suffer...

So.. Maybe a mod class would be a good idea if a track has a deep enough field of stock racers... So that the guys who want to throw away packs and spend the cash can do so... And those who need track time, and a little experience and confidence can race on a more level playing field...

Just my .02.

wow you have got to be kidding me you have guys finding grey areas in the rule book justto be faster then every 1 else but when you go to radio hill its just a bunch of guy having fun LIKE IT SHOULD BE but im sure they couple of guy replacing packs every week are having fun but what about the guy that can't aford that ? idk maybe a mod class would be good for the guy that insist that they have to be fastest but at radio hill there was some guy crawling with his slider before the race, some 1 else jumping there car and another car was driving the track in reverse and during the race their racing but still joking around and having fun yea a mod class is needed for the guys like sean said that wanna waste their money away

[twisted]

wow you have got to be kidding me you have guys finding grey areas in the rule book justto be faster then every 1 else but when you go to radio hill its just a bunch of guy having fun LIKE IT SHOULD BE but im sure they couple of guy replacing packs every week are having fun but what about the guy that can't aford that ? idk maybe a mod class would be good for the guy that insist that they have to be fastest but at radio hill there was some guy crawling with his slider before the race, some 1 else jumping there car and another car was driving the track in reverse and during the race their racing but still joking around and having fun yea a mod class is needed for the guys like sean said that wanna waste their money away

how is it wasting their money ? thats your opinion. whats fun for one isn't always fun for the other.

p.s. periods are your friend.

[shoemaker]

I dont see a problem with drivers wanting both classes. On a light nite you can run both stock and mod together and seperate points for both classes because in my opinion most track running both classes dont see more than 2 to 3 laps different between the classes. It takes a little more care for the fast drivers but they seem to handle it very well. I have added a few allum up grades to my slider for durability and run the factory motor and factory battery and electrics and most tracks have let me run in the stock class. My car is a little heavy but handles well. I have been passed many times with a BOX STOCK slider but sometimes I win because the car finishes without any breakage. Most drivers that I have raced with are seasoned racers or racers from the past that are coming back to racing because you can get into competition very reasonable. I raced with a racer last night that buys a dozen of stock motors changes the brushes and springs made a lathe to cut the com and dynos the motors for to pick the fastest of the 12 motors. Then he buys a dozen of stock batteries and pumps them with 4 to 5 amps and they are only good for one evening of racing. He told me he runs legal and the cost is only 1/3 the cost as running his 1/10 EDM. If you want to win----- Forget the cost. That is his motto. He is very fast but he breaks a lot of parts. That is the only equalizer. Hobby shops that have a track should allway have a class for new drivers and do not put a new driver in with seasoned drivers or they will not come back after a couple times. Track owners should promote new drivers with advertising and special incentives such as trophies or race bucks or what ever it takes to keep the new drivers coming back. Keep the brushless and lipo out of the slider class in both stock and mod for another year or so. Keeps the cost down somewhat.

[rj14]

how is it wasting their money ? thats your opinion. whats fun for one isn't always fun for the other.

p.s. periods are your friend.

that's disgusting!

i have never met a friendly period. period!

[twisted]

that's disgusting!

i have never met a friendly period. period!

get your mind out of the gutter.

[savageguy81]

ok well bickering about it isn't get us any where . ok we need a mod class ,im sure twisted will agree. any body else agree?

[twisted]

ok well bickering about it isn't get us any where . ok we need a mod class ,im sure twisted will agree. any body else agree?

im not bickering just discussing. i agree 100%. we have a stock and open slider class at redneck. :thumbsup:

[savageguy81]

we need to develop some type of rule book that tracks will want to adobt . what do yo think of a series for the sliders? that would be good casue the series could make the rules , then were ever you race with the series you obey those rules . yes:thumbsup: or no:thumbsdown: ?

[savageguy81]

i cant belive they allowed the lipo on the oustide of the car. was it atleast hard shelled? That kind of stuff is what should be allowed , becasue thats past the "mod "point, and thats pretty dangerous .

yea thats what we should do is start a series .