Team Losi RTR Mini Sprint Car

[poolguru]

I got a chance to see a production Team losi RTR sprint car that will be coming out soon.The car will have a 2.4ghz system,full front and rear wing and rollcage.Its based off the Mini-t and it comes with all the goods to run this thing directly from the box and race.It handles well and should be announced for release shortly.Anyone else see this thing yet?Simply awesome!

[RivBlueNoma]

Anyone smell something? I think its SPAM!!!:rolleyes:

[poolguru]

Anyone smell something? I think its SPAM!!!:rolleyes:

I think its swine.The smell became apparent when you appeared in this thread and mucked it up you idiot.Assume what you want.Just a heads up because after seeing the car I was totally hooked on getting one so I can try my hand at Dirt oval.Not my fault this board gets spammed.Yur own fault for being paranoid.

[Butch Clay]

I got to see 2 of these last Saturday night, and they are cool. The conversion is done very well, and this could just be the entry level car Dirt Oval racing needed to get fresh blood into our sport. Hopefully they will be relatively inexpensive and in every hobby shop across the country. My hats off to Losi or who ever sold them on the idea. Besides, they just look like fun!

[poolguru]

Yup,I finally got to run one last night.The Losi engineer was there with the original prototype and 4 production cars.They were a hoot to race.I really think this will be an "in" for alot of people into the Dirt oval racing scene.I will see if I am aloud to snaps some pics.

I think you were at the same oval I was butch.In Fremont?

[chitty71]

Was the losi enginner Josh Alton, and if so thats cool that a local racer is designing a sprint car with a big rc company. Poolguru do you know how much the mini sprint is going to cost and do you know when the next time they will be running the sprint so I can check it out.

[Doug Carter]

Any photos?

Does it look like a truck with a sprint car body on it? :confused:

[poolguru]

Was the losi enginner Josh Alton, and if so thats cool that a local racer is designing a sprint car with a big rc company. Poolguru do you know how much the mini sprint is going to cost and do you know when the next time they will be running the sprint so I can check it out.


Yup.It was Josh.His brother Jake,his Dad,Harry Hananuchi,myself and Josh all had the sprints out last Saturday.I know there will be at least 3 there this Saturday if all goes according to plan.
I would imagine it will be in the 200 dollar range.It has a 2.4 ghz radio system stock if I heard right.Lets say that Nitro sprints that night were turning 4.6 laps.My fastest lap was 4.7 with a 4.9-5.0 average.I have never raced oval in my life and now I am hooked.Josh also showed me a EDM conversion that will be available too.I also think there may be a LM body they are also working on.That thing was sick! I can't wait.We also will be running these things indoor on our local indoor carpet track during winter.Should be a blast!

[poolguru]

Any photos?

Does it look like a truck with a sprint car body on it? :confused:

I will see if we can snap some pics.Maybe not yet.I will ask.

Its stretched at least 1.5 inches with a full cage.2 wings. Realistic body and driver head.And some nice looking realistic sprint car looking wheels.This thing looks the buisness.This should help spark some interest in Dirt oval for sure.

We all tested with brushless/lipo combos.It was fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Butch Clay]

Yep, same track. Doug, these look like little sprint cars, very nicely done. The proportions are right and they look cool. Some very clever engineering on the roll cage to make it fit around things and still look good. The ones I saw handled great, seemed to be very driveable. Of course we have the smoothest track in the world to play on with excellent traction. But overall, this could develop into the entry level, get some fresh blood into dirt oval vehicle this sport needs. And with the EDM bodies I have seen and now see McAllister offering late model bodies, maybe dirt oval can have its own "fad" car to attract new people.

[chitty71]

Thanks for the info poolguru, I will try and make it out this sat. to check it out. Butch If I go out sat. Im going to have Doug D. bring my electric sprint out and have him sign me up(i got to work on sat). Doug told me there was a good electric turn out last time. Hopefully I can turn some laps with you again
Greg

[chitty71]

Any photos?

Does it look like a truck with a sprint car body on it? :confused:
Doug I got to see losi mini sprint tonight and asked if I could snap some photos to post on here but they were not keen on that yet. But I can tell you that cage is a moulded cage like custom works (not like a home built bent nylon cage) and the body is vacumn formed to fit around the cage. The spint car is well portioned , and is one of the best looking mini sprint designs. They told me that should be releasing the kit around august, so hopefully some will allow some pictures to be posted soon.

Greg

[poolguru]

Jakes Mini-sprint was uber fast last night.

Hopefully we can get some pics up soon.18thscale was fun last night.

[17driver]

Any pic's or a release date?

[poolguru]

Late July/early August release.No pics yet.Stay tuned!

[Jeff Harper]

Sounds pretty neet....cant wait to see it.

[poolguru]

Just an update.Losi looks to be releasing with the sprint car some options.A conversion from a sprint to either an EDM or a Late model.Its kind of like the custom works cars and how they can be setup in different forms from one platform.I saw the new Late model body run this last saturday.Coolest mini LM body to date.Works killer 2.

[TeamHoagie53]

Is it this?

www.rclatemodel.com

[poolguru]

That is not it.Those are Micro T's.

[TeamHoagie53]

My bad. I didn't pay attentions to your first post.:rolleyes:

[poolguru]

Its cool.It will be less of a novelty and more of a race car TBH.

[poolguru]

I just got a call from my Horizon sales rep.They will be releasing the part number for the Sprint car and LM conversion tomorrow.The pics should be up shortly after he said.If this is something your interested in,let you LHS know whats up and that they should preorder these from Horizon hobbies because they will be a hot item.I will try to get some pics this weekend of the production car and LM body conversion.

[poolguru]

BTW they will be priced about 179.99 and thats rtr with a 2.4ghz radio system.Not a bad way to get going for the beginner.These cars are some of the fastest cars on our track right now.They are easily as fast as gas sprint.

[Roger161]

Poolguru: I'll try to snap some pics for us this saturday and post them saturday evening after the race.

[Sonny B]

It will be on the Horizon website tomorrow morning. It's pretty cool. :thumbsup:

[poolguru]

Nice! Thanks Sonny.

[Sonny B]

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=LOSB0205

[Doug Carter]

Awesome...

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo/Gallery/LOSB0205-Gal8.jpg

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo/Gallery/LOSB0205-Gal7.jpg

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo/Gallery/LOSB0205-Gal6.jpg

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo/Gallery/LOSB0205-Gal5.jpg

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo/Gallery/LOSB0205-Gal2.jpg

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo/Gallery/LOSB0205-Gal9.jpg

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo/Gallery/LOSB0205-Gal10.jpg

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo/Gallery/LOSB0205-Gal14.jpg

[TeamHoagie53]

You beat me to it Sonny!

Those are pretty awesome looking. Not so much the LM, but the "Slider" is pretty sweet! Someone's going to have to get the clear bodies going though so that we can paint them the way we want. I'm sure the first production run of these are already sold out!:D

[ezimmerman]

Ok they can do it in 18th scale, now can we get a 10th scale? That would be sweet!!

[EVLJSS]

Kudos to Losi for doing what no one else has the minerals to do. We have already decided to use these cars as an entry level class for our indoor oval. I want one NOW!

[chitty71]

Poolguru or Roger how many of losi sprints do you have coming to the shop. and when are expecting them to arrive. I need one to add to my sprint car collection.:D

[poolguru]

We placed an initial order. we are actually the first shop in the nation to be on the backorder list because we were the ones who new about it before any of the Sales reps knew about it.I placed my order yesterday.I think I will bump the order up a bit.I encourage people to take the part number to their local hobby retailer and have them preorder one for you.

Chitty71,
When we expect them in,I will let you know ahead of time to give you a shot at one.I suspect they will sell out quick.

[jenzorace]

Looks like a TLR conversion.. Ive gotta sell my minits!! So i can get one of these..:thumbsup:

[MiniT21]

Do you guys know if and what mini t upgrades will work with it? i got a mini t with cvd's, losi upgrade shocks, foam tires, and a hs55 servo.

[chitty71]

Do you guys know if and what mini t upgrades will work with it? i got a mini t with cvd's, losi upgrade shocks, foam tires, and a hs55 servo.

From what I saw and heard it based of mini T platform so i would think a ll of your up grades will work on it

[chitty71]

Do you guys know if and what mini t upgrades will work with it? i got a mini t with cvd's, losi upgrade shocks, foam tires, and a hs55 servo.


From what I saw and heard it based of mini T platform so i would think a ll of your up grades will work on it

[Roger161]

Thanks Sonny. Tell Matt ( horizon hobbies ) we said hello. Since the car is public info now, I will be taking some video along with photos of this car in action this saturday night at our dirt oval track. Stay tuned.

[SLIDER Racing]

I need to call Losi so i can start getting my kick back for using the name SLIDER!

[poolguru]

Get the Ball diff and Slipper and Alum shocks and springs and your set!You could also do turnbuckles but not absolutely needed.Ball diff and slipper very much needed if you run brushless.The wheelies on these things are crazy without the slipper.Very fast.I will make sure Roger gets some vids for you all.

[Gnarbeast]

That late model body looks kinda gross, but that sprinter looks amazing I really like it.
Hopefully they don't have a major weak spot in the chassis like the original mini-t did.
Hope it does good.

[olderacer]

well i WASN'T a mini fan! that just reaks of neato!

[Sonny B]

Hopefully they don't have a major weak spot in the chassis like the original mini-t did.
Hope it does good.


The main part of the chassis is made of fiberglass. About 3mm thick. Should hold up just fine.

[Gnarbeast]

thats good news, I remember when I had my Mini-t the chassis would always snap at the spot right before the front suspension assembly.

[Roger161]

Here are afew photos of last night racing. Team Losi R&D team was there doing some testing. Team Losi brought out a full production car that was very promising. The first photo is a prototype Losi sprint car. Very impressive design and it handles like it was on rails. I will also be posting some videos tommorrow of these Losi sliders mini 1/18th scale sprint car. Thanks Team Losi for displaying these cars for us at Fremont Raceway.

BTW: The 60 lap club is a club for elite racers. Only afew handful of racers have ever reached 60 laps in 5 minutes. Team Losi hit 61 laps with thier production Losi-Mini Slider sprint car. Way to go Team Losi !!!!!

My kit is already in backorder status.

[MuTheta9]

Ok, Associated... Losi stepped up to the pump with a production dirt oval car. YOUR TURN!

There is however a part of me that sees this ending poorly? What little parts are still available for some of the non B4 based oval cars, I can't help but seeing them discontinued when and IF (the big word) Associated ever throws their hat in the ring of dirt oval. They major manufacturers have for the most part been missing the boat and treating us as a "NICHE" group. What they don't understand is that we are one of the strongest contingents of racers nation wide. I applaud Losi for embracing this fact and finally producing a "Factory" ride for someone to get into the sport with. I have friends that don't want to get into this form of racing because they don't want to have to buy a factory kit, and then spend the same amount or more to convert over to an oval chassis. My oval brothers and sisters, NOW IS OUR TIME!

THANK YOU LOSI! THANK YOU!

[TrackKat]

Are there going to be clear bodies for these? :thumbsup:

[TrackKat]

Are there going to be clear bodies for these? :thumbsup:

[Roger161]

Yes, I believe that there will be a clear body so that you can paint your own paint scheme. BTW, the car comes RTR with a DSM 2.4Ghz radio system. Pricing should be in the field of $169.99 or up at your local hobbyshop. Goto to your local hobbyshop, provide them the part number for the car and have them pre-order. I know of one hobbyshop ( NorCal Hobbies ) have pre-ordered them for alot of their sprint car hobbiest and racers.

[Roger161]

Here's some footage of the 1/18th losi mini slider sprint car. I have more and I will post them later on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqpa5nW0m5k

[MiniT21]

what motors and batteries are they using in that movie? they look to be moving pretty good

[Roger161]

Here's another video of racing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgeNkfxBPog

[Roger161]

Hananouchi's 2-minute warm-up:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2Z3bgJweNAg

[Offutt Racing]

Thanks for the videos. Know it was alot of work. Videos were really cool. Was wondering what the wing size was and if that comes with the kit? Have they had a chance to try them on loose dirt track? Seen where it was 7 1/2". Is that centerline of the middle of the wheels or is that overall 7 1/2?

I enjoy racing the Mini-T at: Checkered Flag RC Raceway
Kansas Dirt Slingers RC Club
www.cfrkc.com (http://www.cfrkc.com)
Home of The Kansas Dirt Oval Championship
Official Test Track of the MAMBA Brushless Power System

Sure hope I can get one before the KDOC RACE in August 2, 2007

Thanks,
Gary Offutt

[Sonny B]

Thanks for the videos. Know it was alot of work. Videos were really cool. Was wondering what the wing size was and if that comes with the kit? Have they had a chance to try them on loose dirt track? Seen where it was 7 1/2". Is that centerline of the middle of the wheels or is that overall 7 1/2?

I enjoy racing the Mini-T at: Checkered Flag RC Raceway
Kansas Dirt Slingers RC Club
www.cfrkc.com (http://www.cfrkc.com)
Home of The Kansas Dirt Oval Championship
Official Test Track of the MAMBA Brushless Power System

Sure hope I can get one before the KDOC RACE in August 2, 2007

Thanks,
Gary Offutt

The wing will come with the car.
I will check the wheelbase for you tomorrow.

[MiniT21]

i dont know if everyone missed my post... but what motors and batteries are they using in those movies? they seem pretty quick....

[poolguru]

Some were running 2 cell Lipos some 7cell Nickel metals with Mamba motors ranging from 6800kv to the Dynamite C4 9200KV.The Mamba 8000 would be my choice.

The stock motor is not slow but you know how we all want more power!

[poolguru]

They indeed work on the loose stuff.Our track is very loose before the sun goes down and with the right tire choice it should hook up on multi surfaces.



Thanks for the videos. Know it was alot of work. Videos were really cool. Was wondering what the wing size was and if that comes with the kit? Have they had a chance to try them on loose dirt track? Seen where it was 7 1/2". Is that centerline of the middle of the wheels or is that overall 7 1/2?

I enjoy racing the Mini-T at: Checkered Flag RC Raceway
Kansas Dirt Slingers RC Club
www.cfrkc.com (http://www.cfrkc.com)
Home of The Kansas Dirt Oval Championship
Official Test Track of the MAMBA Brushless Power System

Sure hope I can get one before the KDOC RACE in August 2, 2007

Thanks,
Gary Offutt

[TeamHoagie53]

I'd like to see some action videos of just a box stock slider with no battery or motor upgrades in it.:D

[TomC]

Second that, it would help me sell the idea here.

[poolguru]

Probably not gonna happen until they are released.I can say with the stock motor one of those cars was only 1 to 2 tenths slower per lap on average.TBH the car will sell itself.It may not be for everyone,but once you see it run in person,a lot of people will become believers.I don't know anyone who owns a 18th scale car that ever keeps the stock powerplant anyways.

[TeamHoagie53]

It would be easier to control as a spec class if they left them stock, and I think that would interest more people, beginners at that. Plus, with the 2.4 GHz radio, you shouldn't have to worry about high-end radio equip or extra crystals. That makes it even easier to make it a spec class. People will only be able to blame their not doing well on their driving skills only, being that everyone will have the exact same equipment. That would take it back to setup and driving. Not who can afford the best motor and batteries.;)

[Sonny B]

Seen where it was 7 1/2". Is that centerline of the middle of the wheels or is that overall 7 1/2?



Thanks,
Gary Offutt

The wheelbase is 7.25"

[poolguru]

It would be easier to control as a spec class if they left them stock, and I think that would interest more people, beginners at that. Plus, with the 2.4 GHz radio, you shouldn't have to worry about high-end radio equip or extra crystals. That makes it even easier to make it a spec class. People will only be able to blame their not doing well on their driving skills only, being that everyone will have the exact same equipment. That would take it back to setup and driving. Not who can afford the best motor and batteries.;)

I whole heartedly agree with what your saying.Speed is not everything in racing.But the guys racing them right now have the Speed bug.I will see if one of them has a stock setup on 7 cells and see if Roger can video it.Like I said,only about 2 tenths slower per lap on average with that motor and battery combo compared to a brushless,Lipo setup.Alot more controllable too.But over a 5 minute race,obviosly you know where I am going.

[Roger161]

I think Mishaga has his in box stock form Poolguru. He won with his losi slider last time out pulling an incredable 59 laps. I think he'll be there this saturday. If so, i'll take some footage for us.

[poolguru]

When he won in the main,he had my Jwerks 8000kv in.:D

But......he wasn't slow with the brushed stock motor either.I think he won 2 of his three heats against the brushless boyz.

[TomC]

Thats the kind of info I need for here at home track. The stock MiniT was pretty slow accel wise, sounds like this is much better.

[sprint runer]

I think Mishaga has his in box stock form Poolguru. He won with his losi slider last time out pulling an incredable 59 laps. I think he'll be there this saturday. If so, i'll take some footage foe us.
that was just a loner car. thats why hes going lm associated. the stock set up with 6 cells is slow enough to keep pinned around the track and is advisable to run if you cant handle the hores power. once every one has their cars it will be aparent to get more power. bottom line the cars work bone stock and are more fun with power and have no problem handling it with right tires and stock set up!

[poolguru]

Amen.:tire::tire:

[poolguru]

Just reviewing lap times from last saturdays race,the Mini sprints have equaled the nitro sprints and electric sprints in Lap times and Overall times.The cars not even released yet and its all dialed in!

[joshalton]

The manual and exploded view are posted here: http://www.teamlosi.com/Products/TechnicalSpecs.aspx?ProdID=LOSB0205

[Offutt Racing]

Thanks for the info. It's just a little longer than the old mini-t think that a big help. Can't wait losing sleep in kansas city. Come on July.

Thanks again
Gary

[TrackKat]

Can't wait losing sleep
x2

[John Binz]

Only thing is stopping me on backordering one would be I would have to wait a month...:(

[digitalv]

was wondering if anyone has seen or heard how the Slider works with the late model body on it? pretty interested in this car but ideally would like to run a late model over a sprint.

[poolguru]

The LM slider conversion works very well.The guys testing the slider has a LM he's been racing and it's a bullet.

[digitalv]

The LM slider conversion works very well.The guys testing the slider has a LM he's been racing and it's a bullet.
That's really good to hear, might have to surely invest in one of these vehicles now.

[Roger161]

The LM slider conversion works very well.The guys testing the slider has a LM he's been racing and it's a bullet.

I agree. He was keeping up with the 4 wheel drive cars. Much fast :thumbsup:

[Flying Fossil]

I dont care I WANT ONE NOW!!! cant wait,lets run some here in Napa, Ca.:D

[venomone]

The Hidden Hanger has 12 on order, cant wait to check them out in person!!! Can afford a sprinter now!!! :skull:

[Roger161]

I got a chance to drive the Losi slider sprint car last night at our dirt oval track during a race. Granted that I was racing, I stuck in a Jwerks brushless speed controller with a mamba 8000kv motor. The car was very very stable and super easy to drive. I took afew tumbles to test out the durability, and the slider is built pretty strong. Considering that this was the first time I tried a 1/18th scale sprint car, it handled very well and I was very impressed. I can't wait to see or race a full 10 man A-main of these cars at our local dirt oval track :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: .

[MiniT21]

I got a chance to drive the Losi slider sprint car last night at our dirt oval track during a race. Granted that I was racing, I stuck in a Jwerks brushless speed controller with a mamba 8000kv motor. The car was very very stable and super easy to drive. I took afew tumbles to test out the durability, and the slider is built pretty strong. Considering that this was the first time I tried a 1/18th scale sprint car, it handled very well and I was very impressed. I can't wait to see or race a full 10 man A-main of these cars at our local dirt oval track :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: .

every time you guys post about these cars it makes me want one more and more... i can't wait till they come out

[TomC]

Got my order in.

[notSoMiniT23]

Got my order in.

where did you order yours?

[TomC]

RC Raceway and Hobbies in Waco, Tx. I just told Dwayne to get me one when they became available.

[Sonny B]

I took one to demo at Big Bill’s the other night.
I think it was a hit, lots of guys ready to get one.

[TomC]

Our idea here is to run them semi stock. We are considering no more than 1400 NiMh and stock Losi or Assoc motors with stock electronics (rec and speed control).

[Roger161]

Our idea here is to run them semi stock. We are considering no more than 1400 NiMh and stock Losi or Assoc motors with stock electronics (rec and speed control).

I like that. Keeps cost down and interest high with a semi-stock car. Racing should be good because of the cars being equal. It'll be more of a driver's race instead of a battery / motor race.

[jtodd]

I just b/o'd mine today, with a clear body, from 2 different hobby shops. CAN'T WAIT !!!!

[poolguru]

Yup....I checked Horizons ETA. 8/10..............BOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I told my sales rep it was gonna happen.Hopefully they don't blow it and push this thing out to much longer.Summer will be over before we know it!

[Sonny B]

For those in the Central Illinois area I will have a Slider with me at Allen’s this Saturday Night.

Every body that has seen it wants one, should be a big class this winter.

[MiniT21]

good.. i'll def. be at allen's this weekend just so i can see this... oh yah racing is fun too

[Doug Carter]

Ok, the complete thread hijack here has been cleaned up. Let's keep this on-topic, please. :rolleyes:

[poolguru]

Thanks Doug.

[TomC]

Thank you.

[JESTER]

Great To See Another 18th Scale Class Starting Up.

[17driver]

Can't wait to get one of these.Thanks Losi:thumbsup:

[Anemul]

I will probably buy one also . I would like to see one run though . Any chance of someone coming to R/C Raceway in Waco to demo one of these cars ?

[poolguru]

watch the videos on this thread.....nuff said.

[poolguru]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqpa5nW0m5k

[JESTER]

Doubt Those Were Stock ,way Too Fast.

[poolguru]

your right,but the stock car on 7 cells are no slug.I would say about 2-3 laps slower or 2-3 tenths slower per lap,in a 5 minute race.

[JESTER]

Can't Wait To See One Run At Rc Raceway , In Robinson .tx

[FULLT1LT]

bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo o
horizon website now says mid august

[poolguru]

booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo o!

Stuff happens I guess.:(

[97 ACME]

I stopped by Hobby Town USA in Orland Park, IL. They told me they have 6 on order.
And they will be in before the end of the month.
I've got my name on one.

Also, I was told that Ron at Monee will be starting two classes for the Sliders. One for box
stock and one for open.

[Sonny B]

Guys the latest information that we have as of today is the cars will likely ship to dealers the last week of July or first week in August.

If you're in Illinois look for a special event coming up in September. It should be a fun night of racing.

[wait a minute]

does anyone know where to see pics of this unit without the body on it? i'm curious to see whats under the body and see the inner workings of it. i cant remember but does this have a brushless system with it or some kind of brushed or closed endball motor?

[Arisnodle]

horizon website, search losi slider. scroll through the pics.

Chris

[TomC]

Lots of info and pics at www.teamlosi.com (http://www.teamlosi.com)

[INNERCHILD HOBBIES]

Hi Everyone We Have Three Sliders Coming From Horizon,they Should Be Here Monday The 6th,next Monday.they Shipped Them Out Today.i Know At Least One Is Spoken For.the Other Two Im Not Sure About.we Can Always Order More In .i Just Thought I Would Let Everyone Know . Later Don @ Ich

[INNERCHILD HOBBIES]

Well Guys Two Are Gone For Sure Now,SOME ONE Just Put One On Reserve. Thanks Sean ..... Later Don

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Hey Don,

Once you get the 3rd one sold we can have a Mini-Sprint class!!! LOL. What a trip... I'm going to need a race hauler soon... Mini Sprint, 18B, Electric and Nitro 1/10th oval, and MONSTER TRUCK.. MY GOD MAN! lol...:D And I'm sure Dad will want in on racing sooner or later...

(Now I can't wait until next week!!!!)

Sorry I can't be there this Satuday...

I GET TO GO SEE THE BIG BLOCK SPRINTS THIS SATURDAY @ PORT ROYAL!!!!!!!!

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Sean

[INNERCHILD HOBBIES]

I Think These Sliders Will Take Off.have Fun At The Races. Later - don@ich

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Well,

Next Saturday (Aug 11th) Mike and I are going down to Liberty Valley to the Races. If anyone down there wants to follow us Don I bet they'd have a blast! It's about 1h30min from ICH to Liberty Valley... Classes that you guys could race in would most likely be 1/10th Nitro and Gas truck.. must Run Street Tires in both classes...

Sean

[Therealhypermike]

What tracks are planning on running these things since they seem like they will take off in a second?

[bumps and jumps rc]

We will be running them - we have 12 coming in and 8 are spoken for.
I plan on taking one and making it a rental car - they seem like a great way to get started.
I hope to see my 8 year old with a controller in hand this year

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Hey guys!

Picked up my Losi Slider this evening at Inner Child Hobbies in Wysox, Pa. (I've just HAVE to give those guys a PLUG if you know what I mean!) I took everything out of the box and the drool was almost instantaneous! What an AWESOME job on the cage, body, and just flat out REALISM of the sprinter...

Folks you have to understand something. This bad boy has a fully adjustable Top wing like the Custom Works cars, Side Dams with the edges tapered, and the Lexan appears to be .030 AT LEAST. VERY durable stuff. The front wing is mounted between the front bumper and bulkhead nad would be a quick change if you'd need too. The cage has a 4 point mound and neat downtubes that mold into the front hood area. The sides even have molded headers and tips! Oh by the way the battery access hatch is the front hood which is velcro'ed in and comes out pretty easily. The chassis isn't plastic either folks she's fiberglass. Smooth and durable. (Now she's got some road rash!!! I can already see some slotting action to allow the battery to get some much needed air while running it. (I'll elaborate in a minute.)

So having everything out of the box I popped in the included "AA"s and the radio comes to life. No big frills but you've got 2.4Ghz Spectrum and a needed Dual rate nob for the steering. I set off the beaten path immediately with the battery rather battery charger. "SNIP" goes the connector and in about a minute I'm pushing 1.7amps into the included 1100mah 6-cell nimh pack. (BOY IS IT NICE to have a inline 6-cell finally! I can share ALL my AE RC18 battery packs now!!!)

After about 25 minutes on the charger the pack peaked @ 1048mah on a 7mV peak setting on my ICE charger and I couldn't get that pack in FAST enough and get out to the pavement! The battery is held in by a battery bar and being that it uses the SMALL e-clips make sure to have needle nose pliers handy as it's MUCH faster.

OK. Here we go..The Grrreeeeaat part! Power's on and we're off! WOW....

Did I mention WOW? I remember my first STOCK Mini-T and that was NOT EVEN CLOSE to the power this little monster has!!! It has a 280 size motor but I noticed some good stuff REAL QUICK. She has changeable brushes and springs much like the Reedy and Orion motors and BEARINGS to boot!!!! Hats off for a GREAT RTR motor to start with...
I took it easy at first just making some passes and then let her RIP! Accelleration is pretty darn good and I'd say top speed is around 18-20mph. NOT BAD for a RTR!!! The suspension is soft and the stretched chassis is a little heavier than the Mini-T but all the lends itself too is LOTS OF SLIDING power... Controlled drifts are REALLY a possibility with this thing! "Slider" is such a perfect name for this chassis that it was like FATE.

After about 5-6 minutes of screaming up and down the road I decided to go into the gravel. I was pleasantly demonstrated that even though it had street tires that it moved pretty good! (Much to my suprise!) I only wish that my track here was groomed and ready because instead of typing this review I'd be HAMMERING IT ON THE OVAL!!!! I would say the pack ran for about 6-7 minutes and gave up on me... (not bad for a 1st charge) Motor temperature was pretty heavy but considering the charge rate and how I was just SLAMMIN' on the brakes and sliding her around it was respectable. The ESC unit wasn't HOT HOT but did go into protect mode twice LATE in the run... A 4 minute race would be NO problem at all. Air temp here is about 80 and HUMID so factor that in..

Yet again praise for the SPectrum radio. Simple yet functional. I could run this thing almost out of sight and NEVER did I see any lag in control. You won't have to worry about run away here! Precise and crisp the whole time... (And it only takes 4 "AA"s!!!)

Final Thoughs...

This kit is what I am going to start calling the NEW KING of the Spec Class. It's priced VERY affordably, features bearings, oil shocks, good tires, decent RTR motor, and comes with EVERYTHING needed to hit the track. (Did I mention it LOOKS SWEET!) The chassis layout and design is VERY stable and rigid and from what I can see so far parts are easily replaced. Another great thing is that ALL of the suspension components are Mini-T. So the parts are already on your LHS shelves. Track Owners if you are looking to bring in the budget minded beginner THIS IS IT! No frequencies to cross, Great Price, and a LOT of fun to drive in STOCK FORM!!!

I give a hats off and a standing ovation to Team Losi. Job well... WELL done!

A very happy R/Cer. Sean OTR SPEEDWAY
http://www.otrspeedway.com/slider1.jpg

[MiniT21]

i should have mine before the end of next week... i'm pretty excited to get it. The local track is gonna run a spec class with them... Basically you pull it out of the box and race it, only mods allowed are tires, and those are gonna be a spec tire as well.

[Doug Carter]

Now I wonder how long it will take before there is a "pro" version with a clear body, foam tires, no radio, and all of the losi hop-up parts that come on the Mini-T Pro truck?


Sign me up for one of those... :D

[sprinter117]

Now I wonder how long it will take before there is a "pro" version with a clear body, foam tires, no radio, and all of the losi hop-up parts that come on the Mini-T Pro truck?


Sign me up for one of those... :D


You can already buy clear bodies and I am sure the rest of your request is right around the corner. :D I went to the Hidden Hangar to check them out tonight and I will probably have one by the time the winter indoor season begins :D

[MiniT21]

personally.... i think they should leave out the pro version for a while. Let this settle in and get a lot of people into dirt oval... Then bring out a pro version for people that want to step up...

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

well,

I'll tell ya Doug I hear that. Run a "Stock" class for the first season and get the interest up to having 8-10 guys running in the class... Then have an unlimited class. In stock form it's VERY respectable. However if you open the can of worms you'll have a $600 brushless car that is so fast that parts-breakage is a real issue. (I sold my Brushless mini-T w/ all the goodies to get this and out of my MADNESS Mini-T)

I honestly can say that " IF and When " Losi produces a 1/10th scale sprinter...
I WILL BE ON-BOARD. It would give All those $500+ chassis manufacturers a real wake-up call... A XXXT or NT with a custom oval chassis and sprint body and cage. YEAH BUDDY! Even if it wasn't quite a GBX or GSX in a "Custom Built Oval Chassis" the cost savings in "STOCK" form would be less than HALF. That is what I think would draw the budget racers into the frey...Plus if would provide a feeder class for the Full-On GBX, GSX crowd.

CAN'T WAIT. LVS people. I'll be down this Saturday. Anyone else down there have a Slider so we can put on an exhibition???

Sean

[Doug Carter]

personally.... i think they should leave out the pro version for a while. Let this settle in and get a lot of people into dirt oval... Then bring out a pro version for people that want to step up...





That's fine, but not everyone who wants one is a nOOb. I'd rather not drop $300 into a min upgrading the stock kit with an extra body to personalize, ti turnbuckles, ball diff, aluminum shocks, modified motor and dumping the radio and ESC I don't need. You could easily spend as much as the base kit getting the car up to a point where many will get VERY quickly.


nOOb classes are great, but cars will stay "stock" for a very short period of time--especially with the amount of aftermarket parts already out there for this chassis.

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

I hear you Doug, but...

IMO.... LET 'EM ROCK, LEAVE THEM STOCK. Sure allow for NON-drivetrain aftermarket parts but when it comes to powerplants(ESC, Motors, Batts) Don't allow ANYTHING out of the stock category. I'm all for regulars using their own Rx, mini-batts, etc. But keep a common powerplant, tire, and body. Form the rules so that if a newbie with a BOX STOCK car could be competetive against the regular given the same battery pack, etc. If you get my drift. You need to keep the Spec Class under raps.

If you can do that, I think this platform and others like it could flourish a WHOLE NEW GROUP into the hobby. One that is an occasional driver that would have a great time and not have to spend a lot of cash to have fun and race competetively... Even if it's once a month.

Sean

[races65]

Will there ever be a nation wide entry level class for Dirt Oval racing?

Or will the entry level classes ALWAYS be ruined before they get off the ground?

Just Wondering

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

" Will there ever be a nation wide entry level class for Dirt Oval racing?

Or will the entry level classes ALWAYS be ruined before they get off the ground? "

I AGREE 100% with that thought....

[TomC]

+1

[Sonny B]

Now I wonder how long it will take before there is a "pro" version with a clear body, foam tires, no radio, and all of the losi hop-up parts that come on the Mini-T Pro truck?


Sign me up for one of those... :D


No plans for a PRO version at this time. If it ever did become a project it would likely be at least a year or more.

[Smokinnitro]

That's fine, but not everyone who wants one is a nOOb. I'd rather not drop $300 into a min upgrading the stock kit with an extra body to personalize, ti turnbuckles, ball diff, aluminum shocks, modified motor and dumping the radio and ESC I don't need. You could easily spend as much as the base kit getting the car up to a point where many will get VERY quickly.


nOOb classes are great, but cars will stay "stock" for a very short period of time--especially with the amount of aftermarket parts already out there for this chassis.

I think a stock class is a GREAT Idea. I take offense at your (nOOb) attitude. I bet a box stock class will promote some great side by side racing. Past experience we had a TL01 box stock class had 20 to 30 racer show up every week. some noobs, some very experienced driver. Someone lobbied to allow hop ups and the class died as quick as it began. Doug I hope you get your wish but calling people that want one of these cars a nOOb is not right

[Doug Carter]

Thicken up the skin a bit, there. :p The discussion previously referred to this being predominantly "beginner" class of racing, and my request was "in addition to..."

"Track Owners if you are looking to bring in the budget minded beginner THIS IS IT!"

"Form the rules so that if a newbie with a BOX STOCK car could be competetive against the regular given the same battery pack, etc."

"If you can do that, I think this platform and others like it could flourish a WHOLE NEW GROUP into the hobby. One that is an occasional driver that would have a great time and not have to spend a lot of cash to have fun and race competetively"

"Will there ever be a nation wide entry level class for Dirt Oval racing? Or will the entry level classes ALWAYS be ruined before they get off the ground?"



"nOOb" is internet slang beginner or entry level, unless you are interpreting it differently. My point was ONLY that some of may want to own and even race this car as something other than an entry-level box stocker, that's all. I previously said that NOT EVERYONE who wants to race this car is a beginner, as earlier posts had commented this to be the perfect car for building an entry level class. I'm 100% behind the need for an entry level class based on a kit box stock car with only a few modifications.

We all know, however, that most of us cannot leave well enough alone. I highly doubt that this car will only see "spec" classes across the country. Just look at the early videos of testing for this car out west. Those weren't box stock beginner cars.

All I asked for is a version similar to the Mini-T Pro that doesn't have the radio, motor and includes the upgrades I'm going to buy anyway. I don't want to buy a $180 kit and then throw half of it away in the first week of running it (like most of us did with the original Mini-T). If the Pro version isn't in the works, then I probably won't buy one, that's all.



Geez, you girls are touchy in here lately. :confused: :p

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Well,

Sonny B. Is the stock gearing that comes with the "Slider" the same as the mini-t??? I ask because after a few runs on the stock pack the ESC is giving up earlier and earlier and shutting down... I have hit the motor with a temp gun and motor temps have been in the 110-115F range. (Not acting like over-gearing)

This is not a problem I experienced with the esc/rx combo unit of the mini-t even with an aftermarket motor... but this ESC seems to have issues and the more people that get these are experiencing IDENTIAL issues. I've already received a few PM's about it from here and on 2 other boards!!!!

PLEASE LOOK INTO THIS. I will be calling the LHS and having them place a call with Horizon as this could be a SERIOUS setback to a RTR that can't even run 5 minutes on a stock battery and motor...

Tonight i will be cutting some serious venting holes in the body to see if some airflow will help at all. I will post pics and feedback as that takes place tonight.

Sean (crossing my fingers) :confused:

[Doug Carter]

BTW, my previous "girls" comment was tongue-in-cheek, for anyone reading into everything I write as a literal interpretation.


:D :beer:

[Dlan44]

FYI, we (RC Pro) are already looking at a "BOX STOCK" class for these next year, only allowing springs, gears, and tires to be changed. This would really appeal to the fathers, sons/daughters looking over the fence. Cudos to Losi/Horizon. Thanks Sonny!

We need to get our hands on a couple of cars to try them on some different surfaces before we make a decision.

Dell Lanier
National Director
RC Pro Dirt Oval Series

[Doug Carter]

Great work, Dell.


This class would explode even more with a "demo" spec race at this year's Open Wheel race. ;)

[Dlan44]

Great work, Dell.


This class would explode even more with a "demo" spec race at this year's Open Wheel race. ;)

We are looking at a "demo" race as well!

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

well..

I will be at Liberty Valley this Saturday and I understand there will be a couple more guys there to run them.... FIRST HAND FEEDBACK for sure!!! I am VERY excited about this.

Sean

[Sonny B]

Well,

Sonny B. Is the stock gearing that comes with the "Slider" the same as the mini-t??? I ask because after a few runs on the stock pack the ESC is giving up earlier and earlier and shutting down... I have hit the motor with a temp gun and motor temps have been in the 110-115F range. (Not acting like over-gearing)

This is not a problem I experienced with the esc/rx combo unit of the mini-t even with an aftermarket motor... but this ESC seems to have issues and the more people that get these are experiencing IDENTIAL issues. I've already received a few PM's about it from here and on 2 other boards!!!!

PLEASE LOOK INTO THIS. I will be calling the LHS and having them place a call with Horizon as this could be a SERIOUS setback to a RTR that can't even run 5 minutes on a stock battery and motor...

Tonight i will be cutting some serious venting holes in the body to see if some airflow will help at all. I will post pics and feedback as that takes place tonight.

Sean (crossing my fingers) :confused:


It's the same gearing as the Mini Baja. The one I've been showing at the local tracks has run at least 10-12 minutes wide open with no thermal issues.

Not sure what's going on but I will check into it for you.

[TrackKat]

Heres mine. These things are sweet!
http://a670.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/103/l_f179fa7650c6f7f2bc9a3dc06e1a7bdd.jpg

[olderacer]

Will there ever be a nation wide entry level class for Dirt Oval racing?

Or will the entry level classes ALWAYS be ruined before they get off the ground?

Just Wondering


+1 more

[olderacer]

I honestly can say that " IF and When " Losi produces a 1/10th scale sprinter...
I WILL BE ON-BOARD. It would give All those $500+ chassis manufacturers a real wake-up call... A XXXT or NT with a custom oval chassis and sprint body and cage. YEAH BUDDY! Even if it wasn't quite a GBX or GSX in a "Custom Built Oval Chassis" the cost savings in "STOCK" form would be less than HALF. That is what I think would draw the budget racers into the frey...Plus if would provide a feeder class for the Full-On GBX, GSX crowd.



Sean


couldn't have said it better

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

well,

Today was a trial day to see if the ESC in the Slider would "thermal" and right on que it did. About 5 minutes into the run. Motor was running near 130 F and the ESC was hot. It shut off for around 35-40 sec. and then started back up. It then ran another minute or so with the same result... SO. Very dissapointed in this ESC. Air temp is about 80deg. here.

So I just got off the phone with Horizon Hobbies and I am left with yet MORE frustration. I talked with a gentleman named "Rusty" in Tech support and he was about as helpful as a rock in the driveway. (Well almost...LOL) I explained my troubles to him and his one and ONLY explaination was a "Defective ESC". Now I don't have a masters in engineering but I know what thermal overload protection is and trust me the ESC isn't defective. It just can't handle the load.(For whatever reason)
He proceeded to tell me that the ESC was several years old in design and had been a proven performer in the Mini-LST and the Mini-Baja. Furthermore he said that the ESC should not need any cooling slots, vents, etc because the heatsink was sufficient to cool the ESC without being vented...

SO. After all the he insisted that I sent the ESC in at my expense and after 4-6 weeks and "IF" the unit was found to be defective they would replace it for free... However if it was found to be "OK" then it would be returned at MY cost!!!! Ok now my blood pressure is up a bit...

Well... From the sounds of here and the other forums the stock ESC is NOT going to cut the mustard for this little guy... VERY unfortunate if you ask me. I don't know how they tested this thing but it must have been with blind eyes and a 4-cell pack!!! LOL

Horizon & Team Losi you've lost a brownie point with me. It appears you have a problem and so far your answers make it sound like you don't care... Shame on you.

Oh well.. Time to get a Novak ESC in this sucker and get ready for Saturday.

Sean Foote

p.s. I tried running this w/o the front cover on it to help with air... Didn't seem to help as it still shut down.

[MiniT21]

will it last a 4 minute race do you think? Like i said previously we are gonna run them box stock, but if they aren't gonna last a full 4 minute race then there is no point in this car as an entry level spec class, Cause you'll have to change things right off the bat to make it work....

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Well,

For now it thermals at about 4-5 minutes on average. Including the pack that is included with it I have 3. So I am going to convert all to deans, make some mods to the body to get airflow, and try to lighten it up a bit (Wing mounts) and do timed runs and see what happens. I'm also going to dyno the stock motor vs. a 280 Trinity Monster Stock and see how they match up.

I hear EXACTLY what you are thinking as am I. For this to work it needs to work BOX STOCK or it will open the can we are fighting so hard to keep closed. l think with some cooling, deans connectors to lower resistance, and maybe a GOOD battery then it might do better. I am in the process of cycling the stock pack right now. I'm charging Re-flex @ 1.7amps and discharging it with a bulb discharger and 5.0v cutoff.

If it would stop raining then I could get some REAL testing done.

More info to come as I get some more testing... 4 minutes is all we want! LOL.

Sean

[gambler72]

glad to hear Im not the only one with the issue... if thousands of us have the same prob. wht do you think will happen? Will Losi step up and admit it? Do they have a history of this?

Will out local hobby stores do anyhting? thoughts??? :tire:

[MiniT21]

Well,

For now it thermals at about 4-5 minutes on average. Including the pack that is included with it I have 3. So I am going to convert all to deans, make some mods to the body to get airflow, and try to lighten it up a bit (Wing mounts) and do timed runs and see what happens. I'm also going to dyno the stock motor vs. a 280 Trinity Monster Stock and see how they match up.

I hear EXACTLY what you are thinking as am I. For this to work it needs to work BOX STOCK or it will open the can we are fighting so hard to keep closed. l think with some cooling, deans connectors to lower resistance, and maybe a GOOD battery then it might do better. I am in the process of cycling the stock pack right now. I'm charging Re-flex @ 1.7amps and discharging it with a bulb discharger and 5.0v cutoff.

If it would stop raining then I could get some REAL testing done.

More info to come as I get some more testing... 4 minutes is all we want! LOL.

Sean

Sounds ok, Our local track owner and all of the racers seem to say that stock means stock, we are gonna pull them out of the box and race them. No deans, no different motor, nothing. Pretty much gonna be put some dirt tires on it and race it. Only mod we'll be allowed will be painting a new body. Maybe if there is a problem we will allow certain mods to get them up to par. I hope its just a deans connector away from being ok. Cause that would keep cost down still... I hope this doesnt turn into a dud.

[Rayden281]

As with just about everything in this world, first year production problems. I hope you get things figured out Sean and evryone else having this problem. BUT, I will be waiting a little longer before I buy one.

I think Losi will step up and resolve this problem, ( if not, I think they are leaveing it wide open for someone like AE,Traxxas, to step up and corner the market on DO rtrs) I really want this to take off, I cant wait to see a 1/10 nitro version. BumpsandJumps has a EDM or LM rtr for under $500, its just a matter of time for a sprinter.

Jerry

[cars4fun2004]

glad to hear Im not the only one with the issue... if thousands of us have the same prob. wht do you think will happen? Will Losi step up and admit it? Do they have a history of this?

Will out local hobby stores do anyhting? thoughts??? :tire:

I bought a mini lst right after they came out. Me and untold number's had problem with the diff gears shredding. They are set up with a very very tiny ring and pinion just like a full size car. I contacted losi and they sent me out a new set of gears. I did this 3 times. then about 1 month later the released a updated set of gears. Any one that had one could call and get a set for all 3 diffs on the truck. I still have that set but that is because I put aluminum lockers trough out the truck. Odds are that if there is a problem and it sure sounds like there is that losi will step up and fix it. I am not what you would call a losi man but I sure am glad to see them release this car and hope they make 1/10 scale.


Mike

[Flat Tracker]

I bought a mini lst right after they came out. Me and untold number's had problem with the diff gears shredding. They are set up with a very very tiny ring and pinion just like a full size car. I contacted losi and they sent me out a new set of gears. I did this 3 times. then about 1 month later the released a updated set of gears. Any one that had one could call and get a set for all 3 diffs on the truck. I still have that set but that is because I put aluminum lockers trough out the truck. Odds are that if there is a problem and it sure sounds like there is that losi will step up and fix it. I am not what you would call a losi man but I sure am glad to see them release this car and hope they make 1/10 scale.


Mike

Yeah but electronics are more expensive to replace than 2.00 gears.

[wait a minute]

i understand that the brushless technology would be a little more expensive expecially to a newby but i think it would be a whole lot better than the brushed motor and speed control. it most likely would have eliminated some of the problems too.

[Doug Gaut]

I think a stock class is a GREAT Idea. I bet a box stock class will promote some great side by side racing. Past experience we had a TL01 box stock class had 20 to 30 racer show up every week. some noobs, some very experienced driver. Someone lobbied to allow hop ups and the class died as quick as it began.


We experienced the same thing when the Tamiya F101 and F102 Formula 1 cars first came out. Running them box stock we had 25-30 guys every weekend and as soon as the rules were opened up to bearings, graphite/fiberglass axles, any battery, any motor the class died in three weekends. You were lucky to have 6 guys show up after that. It was incredible to see but what we were told is the fun was taken out and the money factor came in. True or not it really did not matter since the class died.

Bone stock cars short of bodies and whatever tires that work on your track (spec tires) should work fantastic and get the bigger numbers no matter if they are experienced racers or first timers. Speed is all relative to everybody else on the track. Let the driver be the difference.

[Blues Hockey]

Can anyone give me a part number or tell me what connectors are on the batteries, and speed control. I would like to make an adapter to a deans connector so I can charge on my Integy charger.
We have to use the stock connectors in the car at our local tracks.
My opinion is that the stock class will be awesome.
Should be close racing, and a ton of fun.

Thanks
Jason

[LUKE SLABONIK]

sold the dozen i got in will be up at liberty on sat hope we have enough to race :D

[97 ACME]

Picked mine up from Hobby town USA in Orland Park Ill. They still have for left.
I'm told that Roy will be running both a box stock and modified class for these.
Butch

[Smokinnitro]

I totally agree with you Doug Gaut. This need for speed has to stop. The nitro cars are going so fast even the best driver cannot avoid runnning in to others. Because the cars have become so fast it has taken away the side by side racing. If you look at the biggest orginized racing association in america (NASCAR) . They are looking at slowing the car down for 2 reasons: safety and competition. We all need our hobby to grow and attract new people if the only classes we have are for the elite drivers it will be doomed to fail.

[Dirtdog]

Our local track is in the process of slowing our guys down in hopes of attracting new players. He has taken a track that we use to run foams on and loosened the surface. Our lap counts have dropped from 50 in 5 minutes to 43 at best. The track has a drive line of 265 feet. The problem with racing R/C cars to me is this, it takes time to get proficent at driving these toys. No matter what you do to a class, the experienced drivers will always beat the new people. New racers need a class of their own so they can gain experience without getting creamed. The Losi slider like the Associated 18's will probably end up as a $600 brushless rocket ship class. I have an 18B set up as a mini sprint. It is a blast to race and our class is very competitive. It is not a class for a beginner. I hope people will keep the sliders stock or stock with needed mods to race for five minutes. We need to get back to side by side racing and not chasing the guy with the most bucks. I am one of those guilty of big bucks race cars. I miss the close racing.

[Smokinnitro]

Dirtdog you would be surprised. When we ran the TL01 class there were some kids that gave some of the more experienced racers a good run for the money. If we slow them down you will find that the cars are easier to drive, don't cost a fortune and the racing will be fun and friendly

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

I agree again 100%.

Slow the cars down and the "Driver's Ability" shines. Plus you have more time to plan your moves on the track. We run nitro and electric truck here at OTR Speedway and as awesome as the nitro's are on the 200' driveline the electric trucks and mini's for that matter are a real "DRIVER" class. They really lend themselves great racing.

What I've noticed is that if you make mistakes it's easier to not fall back as far from other drivers... which keeps the packs closer and is a LOT more fun than 6 cars on 6 different laps... (Because the Nitro's are so fast that make 2 mistakes and he's got a lap up on you already!)

I can't wait for saturday to get these Sliders on the track. I know I have already said this but I think this is going to be BIG. Team Losi if your listening GET A 1/10th SCALE SLIDER GOING!!! PLEASE!!! You are doing what All the others will not... and that alone will gain you HUGE support!!!

Sean

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Hey guys,

They say the 3rd time is a charm... Air temp is about 85F and it's sunny. I charged up the stock battery (1.7amps @ 7mV) and did some modifications to the body on the Slider. First thing was I opened the scoop hole on it and removed the front wing. It seem to block the airflow to the scoop. The second thing I did was to cut a hole in the lexan in a circle where the helmet is and then cut the front of the helmet off to act as a scoop. I'll post pics in a second.

I took it out and started to thrash on it. Hard braking, turns, backwards to forwards... ANYTHING to give it a work out. It ran for 6-1/2 minutes a full song and the pack started to die a little and ran for another 2-1/2. NO THERMALING OR CUTTING OUT! It ran beautifully!!! Aparently leaving the body on with some air directing at the ESC heatsink helped a lot. I haven't tried anything but the stock battery pack for now so tomorrow I will get one of my Intellect 1400's and see what happens when REAL juice is put to the ESC and motor.

The motor was in the mid 120's for temp at the end of the run and the battery pack was a smoking 143!!! Connectors were not hot and the heatsink on the ESC was barely warm.
Here's the pics of the cuts I made to the body... Sean "Git-er-DONE!" :D :tire: :D :tire:
http://www.otrspeedway.com/hotfix2.jpg
http://www.otrspeedway.com/hotfix1.jpg

[olderacer]

I can't wait for saturday to get these Sliders on the track. I know I have already said this but I think this is going to be BIG. Team Losi if your listening GET A 1/10th SCALE SLIDER GOING!!! PLEASE!!! You are doing what All the others will not... and that alone will gain you HUGE support!!!

Sean
i still got all my fingers and toes crossed sean! it's starting to hurt too! come on losi!

[CeO21]

Held my first Slider today. Very nice work by Losi. I started a "midget" sized project a couple years ago, using mostly Dual Sport susp. CF chassis and 4 cell power. My "Midget" project was very close size wise to the Slider. Lost interest, sold all of the DS parts.

For the Slider to take hold and become popular Y'all better use the KISS principle!

Cecil

[gambler72]

talked to my local hobby shop today and they think the slider is just geared WAY to high... out of the box it has a 16 pinion in it... I jumped mine down to a 13 robinson pinion... the track were going to race on is a pretty small bull ring... I have not had the chance to test it yet with the new gear... anyone have any guesses or thoughts on the gearing?

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

I'm not really sure about gearing it. I know it takes it about 40-45' to top out and the rule I've always had was you want the motor to top out at the end of the straight. I always push it to the point were the 5 second rule applies. (if you can't put your finger on it for 5 sec. it's too hot).

I'm really at a loss since I was running brushless in my Mini-T. 14t pinion and stock spur. Let us know how you make out. I acutally did get back out w/ the slider for a second pack and again had no problems. It ran for about 9 minutes again then dumped. The pack must not be too good of quality as it false peaked on me on the last charge and it gets VERY hot right after use.(could also be a simpton of over-gearing.)

Looks like with some air and gearing adjustments we have ourselves a real "Stock Spec" machine. I can't wait until Saturday!!! Who's all going to be at LVS???

Gotta run! I'm doing a body as we speak.
Sean

[Dlan44]

Just a question.........

If we start a "box stock" class for these, should we run stock batteries????

The way i look at it, if we allow optional batteries, then it will be motors, then electronics, and the first thing you know it will be a $500 race car.
I am just trying to implement the KISS method and keep the playing field level if we start a class for them.

Tell me what you think.......and remember what you have already said about keeping it simple before you do. i am looking for honest opinions here.

[catalinaflyer]

Just my opinion FWIW, I'm hoping that with Doug pushing and some others helping that we too can get a stock class of these going here in our area. We have a nice indoor facility locally that could be a perfect place for a class of these to run.

As for allowing changes to the cars, absolutely not other than the body so we can paint them to match our 1/10th's and tell each other apart and the battery. Batteries simply because it would allow for having packs ready to go or on the charger while your out running. Limit the size and type of battery to say a 1400 NiMh or smaller.

I like the idea of heading to the races with everything I need in a shoe box rather than filling the entire bed of a full sized truck and the idea of spending less on four cars for the entire family than I spend on spare parts for 1 1/10th nitro sprint is even more appealing.

Doug, you think we can get a class going out at the Ruin's as well??

[curtisp]

Well, I race at Brinks Speedway and although this is our off-season, a couple of locals have already shown a little interest in the Slider. We have two mini classes already that don't get many entries. But, I think that we will be setting up rules for a box stock Slider class. The battery issue is a question that will need to be resolved and I'm sure that half of those interested will be happy with the outcome & the other half will not be happy. I don't know enough about the Slider and the parts that it includes in the box, but I would like to see it stay completely box stock. To have a class that a person can get into for under $200 would be good for r/c racing (in my opinion). So, I would vote to use the stock battery. For the racers at Brinks that want to modify their cars, we have a class that they can run them in.



just my $.02


:tire: :tire: :tire: :tire:

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

lol,

7th full cycle and there apears to be a bad cell in the stock pack. It got up to around 170F late last night... Luckily my ICE stopped charging when it overheated. (And that was with a cutoff of 125deg on the temp sensor.)

I would love to use the stock pack but A.) they are like $40 bucks for another one from Losi. B.) I already need one and it's looking like mid-Sept. online to get one. C.) Just keep a cap on what packs can be run.

TRACK OWNERS THIS IS WHERE YOU COME IN. REGULATIONS of the rules!!!! And Driver's be nice. Just play nice here... We don't want Battery/$$$$ Wars.:D

Sean

[TomC]

If I remember correctly Integy has a 1400 NiMh pack that retails for around $20.

[bumps and jumps rc]

what do you guys think about a $25 claim rule for batteries?
The only thing I can think that could hurt this as a box stock class is people running killer matched zapped packs.

[TomC]

Agreed.

[Smokinnitro]

Chris I think it would be better to spec a miilliamp limit. In the TL01s we were limited to 1700s. I could not see a big difference between the people who ran matched pack and sport packs. But these were NiCads. It might be different with NiMh.

[mach51]

Raced mine last night, awesome little car. Ran it absolutely box stock, no added spacers in the shocks or anything. It drove REALLY well. Actually turned the same number of laps with this in the main as in my 19T truck and won both classes.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/goblues68/house_M03018.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/goblues68/house_M03018.jpg)

[fozzy767]

ok so we tweak motors then the cryin starts then comes ok run watever motor i have been doing this rc stuff for ten years rc racers are the biggest cry babies i have ever seen...im gonna sell my crap and go fishin 3 t4s cw sprint b4 hyperdive 510 and 2 tc 3s ne one interested

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

well,

That is what seems to happen when track owners and racers let thing get out of hand. I hear what your saying though and it does happen. I guess you just have to stay on top of it and try the best you can to regulate motors, batts, etc.

I see Tower has 1400 Intellect packs for under $20. And motors are cheap (ie. Stock Losi's) I guess if each track and then the "region" could stick to a comon rules package. (Much like the PA Nitro Tour) then you could keep the class "spec". I know Kyosho has tried this before, and Bolink. And Trinity. lol. BUT. I think the time has come and the area is right to make it happen.

As for a claim rule... SURE! I know there's ways of charging packs, and tweaking even the most STOCK of stock motors, etc. But if you have an enforceable CLAIM RULE then I think that would keep the "limit pushers" back. (as much as is possible) I'd endore a rules package where if one guy ran up front and won then you could claim his pack or motor for a set amount. (Then it would really be funny when he'd do it next week with YOUR PACK!) LOL.

Is it Saturday yet!?!?! Sean :greenflag: :tire: :checkeredflag: :D

[Flat Tracker]

Stock class never lasts someone always cracks and mods something:revs: Give you guys two weeksLOL.

[fozzy767]

i think they are awesome but the ohh he doesthis they do that gets old i love it so much but the headache overcomes the fun ne more

[TrackKat]

ok so we tweak motors then the cryin starts then comes ok run watever motor i have been doing this rc stuff for ten years rc racers are the biggest cry babies i have ever seen...im gonna sell my crap and go fishin 3 t4s cw sprint b4 hyperdive 510 and 2 tc 3s ne one interested

Got pics and a price on the sprint?

[gtboys]

I have 2 of these guys that are thermalling every 4 1/2 - 5 minutes. I wasn't content with what I've been reading in various posts, so me and 2 others who were having the same issue decided to have at it and see what we found out.

It does NOT appear to be an ESC issue. Immediately at shutdown we connected a new motor (not installed in the chassis, mind you, process took about 5 seconds to swap out wires) to the connectors and it powered right up. Motor temp was 132. Connector temp was 101 degrees! Add the ammeter to the circuit, showed 7.8 amps when we started, 13.6 at failure. So we kept running and testing until, on pack #3, the motor finally seized for good, as had the other motor.

I finally found some RX-280's today, and swapped it in, no problems at all. Note that the Hobbytown date code on these 2 new motors is May 2005. After 8 packs, still fine on both cars, though still very warm at 121 and 122 degrees. Maybe over-geared or underpowered, anyone got any ideas?

I called Losi this morning and talked at length with them. They have read the posts, but have thus far been unable to duplicate the problem, so I offered to send them mine ASAP and buy another one for my son so he can race on Saturday at Liberty Valley. They agreed, and our paying the freight to get this one back. They were outstanding to deal with, and made every effort to ensure that we could race on Saturday. I've read everyone's horror stories on Losi support, but Bill has always been outstanding to deal with. He made it perfectly clear that they do not want another MLST nightmare (My words, not his) and his actions have certainly backed it up. Hopefully this car will shed some light on it.

I asked, and he answered no, if anyone else had called in yet describing these issues. They do see the posts, but until they can diagnose a particular car, posting back is fruitless. If we don't call, they can't (and more importantly, won't) fix any issues that arise. I would encourage anyone having a problem to call Losi Ontario (909-390-5527) and ask for support. If you're not satisfied, ask to talk with someone else. Too many times we start bashing all these companies, when a simple phone call may have resolved the issue. And no, Losi did not ask me to write that .... LOL

Can't wait to get crushed by everyone Saturday at Libery Valley ....... :)

[chad423]

i tried adding a fan on the esc but still shutdown after 5 min. the motor was getting 145 degrees reading from endbell the esc 90 degees

[Flat Tracker]

I bet it's the motors, maybe the connections inside are coming lose from excessive heat. Try a different motor to see if thats a solution. I can't wait to get mine:tire:

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Man time is going too slow. Had to do some decorating.:D
http://www.otrspeedway.com/sliderA.jpg

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Well,

I'm bringing along my RC18B stock ESC and my Orion motor just in case mine goes sour. I've run in several times now and beyond the stock pack getting VERY hot it seems to run fine. Did anyone notice the battery getting VERY hot??? as in the 135-140 range???

Sean p.s. I think it will be "MINI-MADNESS" this Saturday at LVS. Losi would be wise to chime in online and get some serious feedback from the track this weekend...

[MiniT21]

looking good OTR, and if it winds up being the motor is the problem, that would be a easy fix for a spec class... Just run a baja motor or something of that sort as a spec motor. Each track can sell them at a discount price just so the class isn't a bust before it starts.

btw OTR SPEEDWAY how's that rc18 buggy holding up for ya?

[bumps and jumps rc]

I have not seen any overheat on the oval track - although last night a guy ran his offroad and the motor was smoking.
I Had someone put a transponder in one tonight - turning 6.3's
about a second slower than a stock sprint
I think we will see sub 6's after packs get cycled and people work on set up a bit.
The packs make a huge difference - a matched pack or atleast zapped will run away from a stick pack. If we go with the rules of a retail value of under $25 a pack and a $25 claim rule would that be ok?
What about sponsored drivers who run xyz packs and someone claims his pack for $25 then the next guy claims the pack - and so on and so on. Or is this just way over thinking these cars?

[MiniT21]

i honestly say that as long as they are ni-mh packs and have a gearing rule, then there shouldn't be much speeed difference between the cars... Or just ran the intellect 1400 packs, They are a good pack for right at 20 bucks, i ran those on the carpet and it was enough battery to keep up with the lipos in a 4 minute race.

[MK Race]

Hey Matt, speaking of carpet, do you think the guys will want to run them on the carpet at Hensley's this winter?

Do they have any more cars in stock at Maryville?

[FULLT1LT]

only ran mine twice thermalled both times took a reading batt pack 149 motor 138 after approx 3.5-4 min running with entire hood off ran 1 time in day once at nite same results and i am charging mine with the charger that came with it using their recommendations dunno shelf queen

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Hey there,

RC18B is holding up good. I managed to rip out a set of rear diff gear but other than that it's pretty quick. I put an rx in it so I could run my 2PL since dual rates are a MUST! lol.

Sean

[MiniT21]

mike,

go put your name on the list at maryville and you can get one... he's getting 6 of them in and 3 are taken so far. I'd like to run mine on the carpet, but i don't know if everybody else will...

[gambler72]

not sure if everyone\anyone knows about this site... Im assuming we could get them to work on R/C cars....

http://sites.nexusisp.com/lgsmirle/sprintpage.htm#yy004

:checkeredflag::cool::tire::trophy:

[97 ACME]

What if?
if the batteries are a problem how about using 1100 from an AE 18t.
if the motors are a problem how about a stock 18t motor. i'm told they are faster then losi's
if the esc's are a problem how about using o.e.m. from a 18t or vendetta.
these three things would keep the cost down. and keep things stock o.e.m. just from
other companies?

my two cents

butch

[poolguru]

Then it's no longer oem.....Why limit speedos,and parts on the car?...limit motors and batteries.Find a brushed motor thats reliable{Baja} and fairly inexpensive. Obviously the stock motor sucks.Had 4 go out on customers.Not a big deal for most as these same guys switched to better options.I see too much time wasted trying to cheap it up.It's racing for everyones sake.Just choose a reliable motor with some IB1400 that run 20 a pack and call it a day.

Most in our area are already running brushless which works for us.I think a "stock spec or brushed" class and some rules would be very good for some.Just like some don't want to go extreme and go to the Lipo/brushless extreme,the other extreme seems as pointless in the end.Open up the rules a little to allow hopups and limit the motor and battery to a choice thats better then the stock stuff.The battery and motor are poor quality and will have more failures quicker then the items I mentioned.If left to run the stock items only,you will see more people shelving these badboys then not.

[TomC]

The stock 18T motor runs pretty good, what are they..about $10? A $20 1400 pack. Cheap solutions. In over 25 years I have never bought any kind of rc car where everything on it worked perfectly or even as well as I thought it should. This one is no exception. Typical teething problems.

[TrackKat]

only ran mine twice thermalled both times took a reading batt pack 149 motor 138 after approx 3.5-4 min running with entire hood off ran 1 time in day once at nite same results and i am charging mine with the charger that came with it using their recommendations dunno shelf queen

Cheep solution 12 or 13 tooth pin.

[CShearburn]

In my opinion, the fact that the problem isn't happening for everyone makes me think that its the motor causing the overheating more than anything. I won't even go into my opinionated rant about having a brushed endebell motor in it :D

I'm sure Losi will come up with a solution fairly quickly, hopefully something that those who already bought the car can do to fix with little to no $$ or hassle.

Worst case scenario it may require rules to allow a different motor, or maybe a gear change. I'll agree though if it requires allowing different ESC's, batts, etc then the Ready-To-Run aspect went out the window lol.


Another note: Allen's R/C Cars in Rochester, IL is planning on running this class on carpet in the winter. Similar rules to the RC18R class which was the only changes allowed were adjustments already available on the car and shock oil. The main difference is I believe the intent for the Slider class is to also mandate the stock radio as well which eliminates the need for anyone to have to buy an expensive radio for all the neat little adjustments in it. Only possible because of the Spektrum feature with the car (thank you Losi).

Would be cool to have Maryville and other surrounding tracks to run the car also. Could be a fun class.

[rccars4scott]

Chris,

Maryville plans to run them. A smaller track inside the bigger one is in work (might be fun to run some stock sprints on the smaller track too). If it does turn out to be a motor problem, it might be a good idea to coordinate between allen's and maryville so that as guys go back and forth we don't have to make changes.

Scott

[CShearburn]

Actually I meant indoors which I guess is Roxanna... sorry. I heard about the smaller track down there, Allen is doing the same thing here which he claims should be ready by the time he races there again in a few weeks. I brought up the idea to run a wingless night with the regular sprinters on the shorter track before the end of the year just for the fun of it. I'm curious to know how many would be interested in something like that.

But yes I agree, the rules for the Sliders need to be universal between tracks, otherwise it just kills it. Hopefully we can get an idea of what they do tomorrow night.

[MiniT21]

yes most the people that have them said that they would race them on carpet in the winter time in Roxana. I know i'm game for it, just throw on some foams and race it.

[MK Race]

Matt, I don't think you'll need foam tires.

Does the Spectrum radio switch over for a lefthanded driver? If not, would a radio change be ok?

[MiniT21]

either way, i have a set for a mini t, so it wouldn't bother me anyway. I know the people at maryville are saying using the stock radio and everything, but i don't think it would be a problem.

[CShearburn]

We were going to leave the stock tires on it for carpet also. I think there will be plenty of grip with the rubber tires and should be a little more fun to drive.

Mike, I'm not sure about the radio. It looks like a standard Losi ready-to-run radio just with Spektrum in it. I don't know if it is reversable or not. As this point I doubt its a big deal about radio until things get organized. The intent was to keep people from having to buy a high dollar radio to be able to fine-tune with settings available now days.

[MK Race]

I think keeping them box stock is great. I just wish somebody now days made a cheap radio that is reversable. My son is lefthanded and has tried a right handed radio with no luck. We have an old Airtronics radio that he uses now.

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Well...

Converted the stock connector to Deans ultra 2-pin. Didn't seem to make a difference motor/battery temp wise. At least now I can run my RC18B packs...

Hope to see everyone at LVS tomorrow!

Sean

[bumps and jumps rc]

We ran them tonight - had 5 show up
1 broke a rim and didn't get started (the stock rims look cool but are brittle)
3 were having issues with the motor running hot - I wonder if the brushes or springs are the problem? :confused:
The best bet might be to allow the motor plate that allows the associated 370 motor
Anyone know who makes that plate and how much they cost?
The motors are cheap - $11 and run great, way faster.
I am also thinking of running a reduced race fee for this class
I think it would help make it more affordable for new racers (with any luck younger people)

Any thoughts

[sprint runer]

It's the same gearing as the Mini Baja. The one I've been showing at the local tracks has run at least 10-12 minutes wide open with no thermal issues.

Not sure what's going on but I will check into it for you.

WE HAD EXPERIENCED THE MOTOR BRUSHES HANGING UP AS THE ISSUE NOT THERMALING 115 DEG F. NOT HOT ENOUGH TO THERMAL MAYBE 200+

[sprint runer]

talked to my local hobby shop today and they think the slider is just geared WAY to high... out of the box it has a 16 pinion in it... I jumped mine down to a 13 robinson pinion... the track were going to race on is a pretty small bull ring... I have not had the chance to test it yet with the new gear... anyone have any guesses or thoughts on the gearing?

The gearing works fine with 16 or 17 pinion with brushless set up, need to try and gear up for stock set up!

[gambler72]

I down geared to a 12 pin and no more thermaling....

now here is the question.... Ive got Associated adjustable turnbuckles and ball cups on now but to lay the wheels flat its RIGHT at the end of the ball cup.... anyone know of an adjustable turnbuckle that is a tad longer than the associated ones? I would even take a longer ball cup instead of a longer turnbuckle... I CANT use the Losi ballcups on the associated turnbuckles because its a different diameter.... anyone have any thoughts or insights? Any of the manufacturers (big or small) going to pick up the ball and run with new mini T\Slider racing mod. parts?

Thanks

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Well,

VERY happy with the results of today at Liberty Valley running a class of Sliders. I talked to a lot of people and got a ton of feedback about the esc/motor issues. It seems that motor is more the problem but it appears that Losi is aware and will get things straitened out.

As for racing action. WOW. We had like 6 or 7 Sliders racing and man it was a crowd favorite! Those little cars are pretty darn quick. And to drive them feels like they are really going because of their size!!! I can not WAIT to run these at LVS on Memorial Day weekend!!! (Lucky #7 today! TQ'd and won the A-main :checkeredflag: :trophy: )

YEE HAW BRING ON THE SLIDERS!!!!!! :D Sean

[gambler72]

btw... on my wing I only have 2 screws (the 2 rears) that have O rings.... did everyone receive 2 O rings or did they get 4?

[sprint runer]

A lucky guy bought a slider and ran it bone stock all night, thermaling never an issue. To help retain the wing from falling off we have been using fuel tubing.

[leeasam]

so how are the stock rubber tires working on the Dirt. The track we have up here is hard packed clay that some classes run foams on. will these tires work well enough on hard packed?/

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Well,

At LVS it's a smooth hard-packed clay. 245' driveline. I didn't run any preload and I had a small on-power push exiting the corners. Ran 2 practice packs, heats, and main and tire wear was even across both rears. I like the tires.

Sean

[leeasam]

Well,

At LVS it's a smooth hard-packed clay. 245' driveline. I didn't run any preload and I had a small on-power push exiting the corners. Ran 2 practice packs, heats, and main and tire wear was even across both rears. I like the tires.

Sean


Cool. on power push is easier to control than no rear bite under acceleration. I can usually hang onto about anything but my two boys have not driven a RC car for years and need a car that will hook up somewhat. This is getting me very interested in getting 3 of these so I can race with my boys at our local track. I used to race off road years ago and spent WAY too much money on stuff. I could run the 1/10 scale but I could maybe only afford to run myself for expense so these new cars could be fun and we have a smaller dirt oval. here is a pic of Brinks track. I would think these would work well on this

http://brinksspeedway.com/gallery/New-Track-Layout/new_track_003

[CShearburn]

We had about 5 - 6 of them at Lincoln, IL last night and I don't know of any thermalling issues from anyone. Even though the track is a bit on the small side for 1/10th scale cars it was a pretty wide open track for these things though.

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Well,

I would have to guess that the straights at LVS are around 60' long. And the Slider w/ stock gears seemed to top out about 3/4 of the way down the straights there. But on a shorter track I'd bet they would benefit from a smaller Pinion gear. (that would help w/ some of the heat issues)

I plan to leave mine stock and run the stock or intellect 1400mah pack. In all honestly ran both packs charged @ 1.7amps / 7mV peak on my ICE and there wasn't a noticeable difference... Maybe a bit of fad on the stock pack but it has only been charger/cycled about 8 times since new. My intellect pack has been cycled over 50 times.

I hope to see this class grow here locally too. It's VERY affordable and parts are CHEAP. DIRT CHEAP. I think you can destroy the entire front end and be out like $10 bucks! LOL.

Sean

[sprint runer]

Well,

At LVS it's a smooth hard-packed clay. 245' driveline. I didn't run any preload and I had a small on-power push exiting the corners. Ran 2 practice packs, heats, and main and tire wear was even across both rears. I like the tires.

Sean

I had a push comen out as well so I moved the wing forward and down to the last 2 holes on top. Gave the car more steering into the turns and out of the turns but running lighter oil in the rear also helped. The stock tires on hard pack clay work ok for stock motor the BRP foam tires for the mini-t is what we run because of how soft they are.

[Dirtdog]

Yesterday I saw my first race where Sliders were raced. The guys raced them in stock trim except each Slider had a two cell LiPo battery pack made for helicopters. The cars were raced on an asphalt parking lot surface. (This was in Texas where it was 100 degrees in the sun yesterday) All the cars ran with the stock rubber tires. The racing was close and faster than with the stock Slider battery pack. The heats were five minutes long and everyone seemed to have plenty of battery left at the end of each race. No one had any of the issues that have been discussed here. The cars seemd to hold up to wrecks on a par with the other mini cars being raced. I think I may have to get one to race. There were also 18B mini sprints racing yesterday. They all were powered by either Mamba Or Teikin brushless motors /ESC's and 2 cell LiPo battery packs. The car raced on foam tires and were ballistic on the starights. The Sliders were no match for these mini sprints. The Slider guys proved to me this weekend, that you can keep a Slider stock, replace the stock battery with a $30 LiPo pack and have all the fun you probably can stand.

[White84]

I've also been thinking about getting one for myself to race for the first part of indoors this yr. My buddy has one and several others where we race outdoors have or are getting one for this winter. I'd like to be able to watch them all race first though before I make the buy.

[Dlan44]

well,

That is what seems to happen when track owners and racers let thing get out of hand. I hear what your saying though and it does happen. I guess you just have to stay on top of it and try the best you can to regulate motors, batts, etc.

I see Tower has 1400 Intellect packs for under $20. And motors are cheap (ie. Stock Losi's) I guess if each track and then the "region" could stick to a comon rules package. (Much like the PA Nitro Tour) then you could keep the class "spec". I know Kyosho has tried this before, and Bolink. And Trinity. lol. BUT. I think the time has come and the area is right to make it happen.

As for a claim rule... SURE! I know there's ways of charging packs, and tweaking even the most STOCK of stock motors, etc. But if you have an enforceable CLAIM RULE then I think that would keep the "limit pushers" back. (as much as is possible) I'd endore a rules package where if one guy ran up front and won then you could claim his pack or motor for a set amount. (Then it would really be funny when he'd do it next week with YOUR PACK!) LOL.

Is it Saturday yet!?!?! Sean :greenflag: :tire: :checkeredflag: :D


That is exactly what we have been kicking around. A reasonable claimer on batteries and/or motors. With us, only someone that finishes below you in YOUR MAIN can claim your stuff. That eliminates bargain hunters. Claimers keep people from doing stuff to motors that they may have to race against later..............same for batteries.

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

This weekend,

we talked a little about what things might be allowed to be changed. (ie. deans connectors instead of the stock ones, and the Intellect packs) I didn't see any improvement in speed or heat buildup running deans, and the intellect pack didn't really have that much more than the stock pack.

Right now Losi needs to figure out their motor issue so we can nail down a motor package. Be it a stock 280 motor, or replacement one by Losi or AE??? Just so we can get a feel for what the rules should be for a season long class this winter and next summer.

Sean

[Flying Fossil]

Recived slider on wk. end, charged batt. got a 17 min. run, amazing!! re-charged ran 5 min. and Thermaling, twice, now, nothing, some steering, no motor running, batt 6.7 volts everthing stock! should I just go ahead and go Lipo, and mamba. Horzion no help.:confused:

[CShearburn]

Have you guys tried messing with the gear? I know that gets away form the stock aspect a little, but we had 5 or 6 of them this past saturday night and didn't have nay issues. Although, the track we ran, even though it was small for a 1/10th scale, was still somewhat big for these things and was pretty wide open. Maybe a simple pinion change would fix it?

[bumps and jumps rc]

This is what I was thinking of allowing people to change - basically anything that won't be a performance advantage.

If it is not specifically listed below it must be retained in original box stock configuration

electronics - rx may be changed - original esc must be used - this would allow people who want to run it as a second class to not have to carry 2 radios

motor plugs, wires and battery plugs can all be changed or eliminated.

turnbuckles, ball cups and captured ball ends can be from aftermarket manufacturers.

Shock fluids can be changed along with springs, shocks may be modified with limiters and pistons.

Gearing may be changed as long as a stock size spur gear is used - aftermarket spurs are allowed but must be an original size from losi.

The stock rims can be swapped for the losi white or yellow rims, as we have mostly newbies running them so far we have had a couple break the center out of the stock chrome rims. Tire inserts may be changed to an aftermarket insert.

No matched battery's, the pack must not exceed $25 general retail price - not manufacturers suggested retail. Claim rule is in effect for the first person to lodge a complaint - $25 payable to the car owner. This also brings up another question. I ran a 6 cell brick pack originally made for the mini-t, do you think cells must be in an inline configuration or can they be 4 inline and 2 on the side?

I am still unsure about 2 things

The motor deal - The venom 370 now uses narrow holes that fit the motor plate, it is dirt cheap at $8 and a sealed endbell which I think would help to make it tamper proof, but it is also way faster. If Losi can make the motors not overheat that would be great, although having a replacable brush also has it's downsides - trinity makes the xxx brush for mini motors but they are pricey at almost $7, and although we wouldn't allow them, I am sure some people could make or get brushes that would produce more power. There is also the GP 280 motor that looks similar. http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXAHK6&P=7 The integy is to prone to being out of stock and may not be available at all times. I am sure there are other motors out there but this is probably the biggest obstacle to overcome. Maybe we would be better using the original losi 280 motor LOS b1089

Thoughts? Suggestions? Ideas?

I am also unsure to allow sway bars or not.

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

well,

Radio. Stay stock. It eliminates the guys who will use the fancy features that Spectrum, Nomadio, etc have to offer. I have already been told that you can program the stock Rx to a good radio already so KEEP the STOCK RADIO TX PLEASE.

As for durability upgrades, ball ends, tierods, etc sure why not.

Batteries I agree 100%. As for the configuration I don't see the big difference in a mini-t to a Slider pack. Might be able to move a little weight to the inside I guess.. Claim rule DEFINATELY! That way it will keep those $$ people from buying zapped packs for $40-$50 bucks... At least allow the guy to keep his connector though. (I run deans and wouldn't want to lose my connector for a stock one! $2 bucks is $2 bucks..LOL)

Venom? lol. I had one of those. one word. JUNK. I've never seen anything good come from Venom. Failsafes that FAIL, Battery dischargers that CATCH FIRE and MELT, cheapo batteries that have so much resistance that they get hot and melt the shrinkwrap. Sorry. JUNK JUNK JUNK. How about the Losi 370 motor? or the Associated Stock 370 motor? Both have plenty of zip and are like 15-20???

Here's my thoughts on the motor. If you pick a closed endbell motor that doesn't allow for brush/spring changes your tech gets a little easier. I know from the Kyosho Spec days there are still things to do to them but a TON less than allowing a motor that can be taken apart. Find a common closed endbell motor and buy hundreds of them and work a deal with the manufacturer. I personally like the AE 370 stocker.

Sway bars??? NO. Kinda like Foam tires in my mind. For those who have the knowledge to use them they just make that gap farther apart from those who don't. NOT STOCK. NOT NEEDED. DON'T GO THERE.

In short. I would and plan on at OTR keeping the Slider as Purely stock as possible. The radio, esc, and everything else is a great start on SPEC racing. (motors need work) but other than that you have an adjustable, durable platform for $180 bucks. KEEP IT THAT WAY. Let the class grow and MAYBE at the end of a sucessful season split the class into an open, anything goes class. ONLY WHEN THE CAR COUNTS SUPPORT 2 CLASSES.... I don't care how much the guys wine about "I WANT MORE" if you don't have a big enough field to split the class then DON'T DO IT.

Sean

[bumps and jumps rc]

Yep I agree on the keeping the rules enforced until the car count is very large.
The problem with the standard 370 motors from ae and others is that the bolt pattern does not line up with the holes in the stock motor plate. While most of us can easily modify the stock plate with a dremel - it is probably a stretch for newbies. You can get aftermarket plates but there is another $15 into the thing :(

[Smokinnitro]

How about we let Losi figure out the problem with the existing motor before we change the whole class. Box stock is the idea. New drivers having to buy a new motor for the car they just purchased? It would not give me much confidence in the platform I just shelled out $180 for.

Are the ballends and turnbuckles a problem? If not, why fix them.

Other Losi wheels good idea as long as the match the original wheels (eg. same offset and size). I think we need to use the K.I.S.S method.



Shock fluids can be changed along with springs, shocks may be modified with limiters and pistons

I agree with fluid. But that should be the only thing, open up the rest and they will be wanting to use different springs, changing ride height, sway bars etc etc etc. The emphasis of this class is to bring in new blood. let the the new guys develope driving skills before we put the car on rails



Chris why dont you run them for a month and have a drivers meeting to discuss the shortcomings of the car. Then you can get a base of what should be changed and what should not.

[brockh]

hmmm..

losi slider= 180
mamba= 150
servo= 35
cvd's= 20
mini spektrum= 80
new tires=35
upgraded shocks=30
springs= 25
bearing upgrade= 25
lundsford turnbuckles= 40
gears=15
steering/saver upgrades=15

now we have $650 in a rtr car and we are ready to go racin!!! sound crazy to you? lets keep it as stock as possible....you can ask youself "who in there right mind would dump that kind of money in a car thats worth less than 200??!!" come to kranzles this winter and take a look at the 6-7-8 hundred dollar 18th scale truck and buggies running around. and this is before you factor in the radio that is being used, the chargers/power supplies, batteries, and everything else associated with upkeep on the cars! Its a lot to swallow when you are trying to get started in this hobby knowing you aren't going to have any fun unless you drop a grand or more to be remotely competitive.


once the class grows then look at creating a mod class where there is no limit to what you do.

[Ultegra]

chris,

i'm buyin 1 (and i'm not alone) BECAUSE we heard at pitstop last sat that u were runnin em and more importantly KEEPIN THEM STOCK.

keep it all stock, shocks springs, even location on the towers. let em move the wing, set their toe, change shock oil, change connectors, cheap packs (w/buyout), use the STOCK RADIO (so no indepth radio/electronic tweaks).

then figure out a motor solution can-style if need be. http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0095p?FVPROFIL=++&FVSEARCH=21151

i might see u friday nite with 1.

take care

-R

[ctsieber]

location on the shock tower is going to far. And whats wrong with changing springs? Keep the stock hardware, esc, motor, battery. I dont see the big deal with the radio. If someone has a better radio, and is used to using that whats wrong with binding the receiver to your radio? One less thing you have to take to the track.

I love the idea of a spec class. I used to race Legonds, which used the trinity street spec stuff. EVen with that you had 3 tires to pick from, BUT only 1 motor, and 1 battery pack, and 1 speed control.

Maybe when the track owners and the tour meet this year, the track owners can work out a standard set of rules for this class too.

chris,

i'm buyin 1 (and i'm not alone) BECAUSE we heard at pitstop last sat that u were runnin em and more importantly KEEPIN THEM STOCK.

keep it all stock, shocks springs, even location on the towers. let em move the wing, set their toe, change shock oil, change connectors, cheap packs (w/buyout), use the STOCK RADIO (so no indepth radio/electronic tweaks).

then figure out a motor solution can-style if need be. http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0095p?FVPROFIL=++&FVSEARCH=21151

i might see u friday nite with 1.

take care

-R

[curtisp]

location on the shock tower is going to far. And whats wrong with changing springs? Keep the stock hardware, esc, motor, battery. I dont see the big deal with the radio. If someone has a better radio, and is used to using that whats wrong with binding the receiver to your radio? One less thing you have to take to the track.


I agree about the location on the shock tower. But, I have to disagree with allowing other transmitters to be used. With the settings that some of the higher-end radios have, that could be a definite advantage. And if the guys with the expensive radios are winning all of the races, how do you explain to a new racer that to be competitive in the class they will need a $180 car & a $300+ radio? :confused: By only allowing the stock radio, no one will have more adjustments to play with to make their car hook up better.





just my :twocents:

[bumps and jumps rc]

chris,

i'm buyin 1 (and i'm not alone) BECAUSE we heard at pitstop last sat that u were runnin em and more importantly KEEPIN THEM STOCK.

keep it all stock, shocks springs, even location on the towers. let em move the wing, set their toe, change shock oil, change connectors, cheap packs (w/buyout), use the STOCK RADIO (so no indepth radio/electronic tweaks).

then figure out a motor solution can-style if need be. http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0095p?FVPROFIL=++&FVSEARCH=21151

i might see u friday nite with 1.

take care

-R

Sounds good
I figure people will want to make them stiffer at bumps - they were a not all that easy to drive with all the bite - they tank swapped real easy, the other thing is the shocks have a tendency to leak pretty bad - but was told that another o ring in the bottom helps to fix that - but that also limits travel a little bit, I figure for the most part we can work on these as curt says after people run them for a month or so to figure it all out, but definately spec stock sounds great to me.

[bumps and jumps rc]

I just shelled out $180 for.



??180 where are you buying them

we got em for $165 :D

[LUKE SLABONIK]

??180 where are you buying them

we got em for $165 :D
179.99 is map pricing chris
all i can say is I had fun running the slider at lvs last weekend couldn't stop laughing there were 6-7 of them some with a different radio and one was running a lipo but lucky for everyone else his motor took a dump
dont know how were gonna set up the track yet for this winter either leaving it smooth concrete or putting down carpet but it should be ready by the end of sept or mid oct

[gtboys]

I'm in for the all stock rule for the most part and agree with OTR after racing at LVS with him this weekend. I think that any radio that binds with the stock receiver is fine, if for no other reason than it cut down on stuff we have to caryy, batteries, etc. With 3 of us racing parts count is an issue. For example, with allowing foams I'm now out $100 and the thinks just don't last very long. Keep the Losi Streat Meats; they track pretty well, wear well and are readily available. I think that any Losi-branded option parts being allowed would be a great idea; the Mini-T shocks (which DO fit, as finally confimed today) are much more a durability advantage than any performance advantage, for example. It helps us keep the costs down in the long run, which is what we want to be in for. People like us are rookies and we will break far more parts than someone like OTR who is an established racer. ANY aftermarket hop-ups just make the prices skyrocket, and we'll have a repeat of the RC18 situation. We love racing ours, we just can't afford to complete. If the race numbers get big enough, the add a mod class; do it now and I think you'll kill off the rookies like us for good.

The pinion gear might be the only place I would waver, as these plastic ones don't appear to be holding up well at all. Losi only has plastic for some reason.

I also think we need to let Losi work out the motor issues before we go too much further. We did a ton of testing for Losi over the past few days with the 6 sliders we have between us with a lot of different motors and will have some very well researched opinions once we know what they are doing.

As for driving, the stock config was fun to watch and pretty durable at LVS on Saturday! We did bend a bunch of front turnbuckles, a couple of shocks, popped ball cups and had a couple of outdrives pop. Not bad at all.

[Ultegra]

chris, u have em in stock? what about that ae motor, would that work?

i mentioned the shock position b/c if ur gonna limit people to the stock springs, that means u can only fool w/oil and piston. and u know people will tinker w/those and u can tech that stuff feasibly. force them to run same spring in same position, makes it better for the newer folks.

last thing u want is a few folks runnin around w/their black art book of tips and tweaks to make them win a 'spec' class every wk. kills the fun. if we all havent learned anythin from tamiya 540-based classes, then we'll never learn.

legends w/can motors on 4cells on the dirt oval, ah sweet mems.

R

[jenzorace]

I just bought one sunday. The first thing i see that needs done is glue the chassis. Grind an angle on the front of the chassis. Then ca it, to prevent splintering. Im sure the guys i will run with will be running stock. So im holding off raping my minit pro. Id love to see what a ball diff and a dual pad slipper would do for it. Or a good servo. I cant believe you guys want to put a associated motor in a losi. Isnt that like putting a chevy motor in a ford truck?

[Dlan44]

well,

Radio. Stay stock. It eliminates the guys who will use the fancy features that Spectrum, Nomadio, etc have to offer. I have already been told that you can program the stock Rx to a good radio already so KEEP the STOCK RADIO TX PLEASE.

As for durability upgrades, ball ends, tierods, etc sure why not.

Batteries I agree 100%. As for the configuration I don't see the big difference in a mini-t to a Slider pack. Might be able to move a little weight to the inside I guess.. Claim rule DEFINATELY! That way it will keep those $$ people from buying zapped packs for $40-$50 bucks... At least allow the guy to keep his connector though. (I run deans and wouldn't want to lose my connector for a stock one! $2 bucks is $2 bucks..LOL)

Venom? lol. I had one of those. one word. JUNK. I've never seen anything good come from Venom. Failsafes that FAIL, Battery dischargers that CATCH FIRE and MELT, cheapo batteries that have so much resistance that they get hot and melt the shrinkwrap. Sorry. JUNK JUNK JUNK. How about the Losi 370 motor? or the Associated Stock 370 motor? Both have plenty of zip and are like 15-20???

Here's my thoughts on the motor. If you pick a closed endbell motor that doesn't allow for brush/spring changes your tech gets a little easier. I know from the Kyosho Spec days there are still things to do to them but a TON less than allowing a motor that can be taken apart. Find a common closed endbell motor and buy hundreds of them and work a deal with the manufacturer. I personally like the AE 370 stocker.

Sway bars??? NO. Kinda like Foam tires in my mind. For those who have the knowledge to use them they just make that gap farther apart from those who don't. NOT STOCK. NOT NEEDED. DON'T GO THERE.

In short. I would and plan on at OTR keeping the Slider as Purely stock as possible. The radio, esc, and everything else is a great start on SPEC racing. (motors need work) but other than that you have an adjustable, durable platform for $180 bucks. KEEP IT THAT WAY. Let the class grow and MAYBE at the end of a sucessful season split the class into an open, anything goes class. ONLY WHEN THE CAR COUNTS SUPPORT 2 CLASSES.... I don't care how much the guys wine about "I WANT MORE" if you don't have a big enough field to split the class then DON'T DO IT.

Sean

I agree..........

If there is a motor or ESC problem, Losi will correct it. They have allot riding on this little car.

[JAC9]

I disagree with the battery rule I already have 6 matched packs so why sould I be not be aloud to run them and have to spend more money. If this is what you guys decide then I going to say I'm probably out.

[CShearburn]

The car comes with a battery. If you have any time at all between races you can get it charged between heats. In a 5 minute race it doesn't seem to drain much of it down to being with. Thats something I'll test next time out. How many heats in a row before it dumps :D Besides, if a spare battery is a concern then another $20 or so for a 2nd batt shouldn't be a big deal to those who have 2 - 3 matched batteries.

About the only thing I can see that can't be teched very easily is shock oil. I don't see a reason or the need to allow limiters or other modifications to the shocks. Sway bars are definitely not needed. Shock oil, ride height, and shock angle were the only things we could adjust on the AE RC18R (here locally) and we had a blast with it. I don't see why the same thing can't be done with the Losi. The 18R didn't even have adjustable turnbuckles lol.

The class rules shouldn't be tailored to make it easier for the already existing R/C racer to get into the class without much more expense or hassle. It should be tailored for those who are not already into r/c racing. Both groups should be able to race it together, but lets not adjust rules to acommodate those already racing.

Of course, rules will probably have to vary depending on different track/regions anyway. Whatever works I guess.

[Davey27]

The class rules shouldn't be tailored to make it easier for the already existing R/C racer to get into the class without much more expense or hassle. It should be tailored for those who are not already into r/c racing. Both groups should be able to race it together, but lets not adjust rules to acommodate those already racing.

Of course, rules will probably have to vary depending on different track/regions anyway. Whatever works I guess.


I say leave it box stock, at most a tire change to suit the surface your running on.You should be able to adjust what ever is adjustable on the car but not change parts.
you should be able to buy the car take it to the track and race.

when the 18-T came out we had 10 or 11 at the track, so I bought one next week 3 or 4 put brushless motors in them now we have 4 18-T's running.
everybody wants to go fast, nobody wants to just race, cept for the 6 or so cars that quit showing up because they didnt like getting laped 10 times in a 4 minute race,, just my 2 cents.

[Ultegra]

I disagree with the battery rule I already have 6 matched packs so why sould I be not be aloud to run them and have to spend more money. If this is what you guys decide then I going to say I'm probably out.

and that is why entry level classes (all classes in a way) die out. b/c 1st allowances are made on what can be done to the car to increase adjustability (doesnt help new folks, just helps experienced racers) and to go faster (same thing). from that some go out and spend more than the next guy, it ends up drivin every1 to spend more til they reach a pt when they say enuff, all the while people who'd like to check it out find out how much it all is casually walkin the pits or the shop, and in that moment how many people did we just lose from the hobby?

i'm guessin u didnt run out and buy 6 packs for this car but somethin else. so use those packs in that somethin else, and run this sprinter w/the basic pack. practice w/ur packs if u want if it helps get more laps in. help the hobby, help put on a great show. it helps chris, it helps the hobby, it helps dirt oval, it helps you.

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

curtisp,

I am 100% with you on the STOCK radio. Using ANY radio with more tweaks than the stock radio gives drivers an advantage in this and ANY class. ( I just bought a Spectrum Radio and YES it helps with control, smoothness, and those extra's which translates into BETTER PERFORMANCE. Sorry guys. If it was just about one less trans to carry you would buy a $70 Futaba 2PL that handles 10 models on AM 75mhz.. NOT THE NOMADIO or SPectrums, etc. Look at what a lot of guys use in all the classes. RADIO IS AN ADVANTAGE.)

gtboys,

I second your opinion on parts. I actually didn't break anything on the Slider even when tangling with the 1/10ths in practice. But I know from years of Mini-T that turnbuckles bend, break, etc on them. But parts are VERY and I mean VERY cheap for it. $20 bucks and you have doubles of all the "break parts". As for the pinion Trinity sells a pinion pack for like $15-$18??? has a nice assortment of GOOD gears.

I can see it's going to be a struggle to keep these guys stock but let's fight the good fight. As for the AE motor in a Losi.. That's just funny. These motors are all probably made in China by the same guy eating chinese for lunch..LOL. Not so much like a chevy v. ford motor in a Mustang. LOL....

For me this car and platform is about leaving the results in the driver's hands. For now the platform is on level footing and should stay that way. Adding trick radio's, upgrades in ESC's, Batteries, Motors will just stretch the playing field from beginner to intermediate to veteran driver. The close to "STOCK" you leave it the better the racing will be.

Sean

[mikey98]

Finally, someone has it right. Just have fun with these little guys.

Mike.

[hitman1965]

Guys, I think we will always have the guys that want to run mod from the get go. We need entry level classes, and we need them bad! thats just the facts. And if we dont enforce some kind of rules we will continue to have no growth in the hobby.

Dlan has made some rules for the new 1/8 scale class that I think will work very well here. I think the slider should remain 100% stock. I think you have to think long and hard on what to tech. The problem I see is how easy is it to tech a ball diff. Not easy it takes a while. So I say that everything that is not box stock is illegal but only if you are caught sorry guys thats just the way it is.
But Dlan has a way to control all of this. Put a claimer rule on it. Weather its the whole car a motor or a battery claimer rule I think we need something. I think the whole car claimer is the best. Make it like $180 for the whole deal radio included. That way if someone has an illegal part they will think twice about running it. So if you want to run an illegal motor or trany parts or even batteries you take the chance of losing them.

Also this will keep the radios in check. I sure aint giving my M8 Spektrum up for $180 plus the car. What do you guys think? I am a strong believer in the claimer rule. I have watched it work extremely well in the real racing world and I think its awesome for this class. Dlan can chime in for those that oppose. He and I have discussed this alot. I once asked Dlan how many claims they have had in the 1/8 scales on the national level. He said None.

I know many disagree with claimer rules but they are really great for the entry level classes!

Dont like the rules run the 18t class with all your mods.

[curtisp]

Sean,

You are right on! I don't know about other tracks that are thinking about setting up a class for the Losi Slider, but at Brinks Speedway we already have rules for two other mini classes. From what I have heard there will be at least 6 guys with the new Slider this winter at Brinks, and I wouldn't be surprised to see more. I think that this car would make a great spec class car. This is a car that RTR actually means Ready To Race! For the experienced racers that want to use a different radio, or change motors, or who knows what else, race them in an already existing mini class.

[hitman1965]

I plan to run one this winter at Crazy Boys south of Columbus Ohio. But I will run one bone stock. I did it back in the day with a RC10L3 with no reactive and one shock rear. We ran the trinty 4 cell spec packs and the trinty spec motors. We ran craftsman truck bodies with a spur and pinnion rules. It was a blast. To bad the track I ran those at closed it was so awesome. This place was a little Bristol the corners are at least 7 foot tall. Great memories!!!!

[corcarbill]

Just got done running mine up and down the road. This thing is fast out of the box.

Yes, we plan on running them at Crazy Boys this winter. BOX STOCK. 'nuff said :thumbsup:

Remember, it's just a hobby. Have fun racin'.

First to the :checkeredflag: wins.

[MK Race]

Box stock is great.

What do you do if the person is lefthanded????? Break the wheel off the transmitter and glue it on the other side????????

My son uses an old Airtronics 3PS that was given to us by a friend. Trust me, I don't want to have to buy my 14 year old son a $300 radio to run spec.

Also, could somebody PM me what adjustments to make with a new radio to make my cars faster. Maybe that's why I've been so slow.

[jenzorace]

New radio? I thought you would never quit running those ol futabas.

[OTR SPEEDWAY]

Well,

I'm not sure of "all" the diff's out there for the mini-t lineup but from what i can see they all use an outdrive hub like an AE. Which means if you pop a driveshaft then the hub stays. On the "stock" mini-t and now slider the hubs will pop out of the tranny case if you take out the driveshaft... So?? tech? Pop the camber link, remove the driveshaft, and pop the hub off?? And I even thing the stock ones are Chrome so anything that's not would give you a hint.... Tech on these little guys shouldn't be too bad. As long as you know what to look at.

I haven't seen aftermarket parts for the mini's in a while so if there is a upgrade diff that has removeable hubs while still assembled I would be interested to see it... (As I am going to need all the tech notes here at OTR as well...

Sean