Late Model or EDM?

[DaBearsNo13]

Ok, with the upcoming season approaching, what is going to be the more popular class. I wish I could run both, but I only have 1 car available & would like to go with the bigger of the 2 classes.

Thank you for your replies,
Russ

[ctsieber]

I would like to keep my car as a latemodel if theres going to be enough. If not I will switch over to an EDM also

[signman501]

There seems to be a lot of guys switching over to Latemodel's from the EDM's at Bumps. I think the Latemodel class will be just about as big as the EDM's when we get to the outdoors. I will stay with the Latemodel's unless it dosn't work out.

[brockh]

I anticipate there will be a huge decline in EDM and a large increase in late models. I have a feeling the late models will be larger than EDM and Sprints will still pull the largest crowd. I hope to see the late model class grow, especially with Chris at bumps and jumps playing around with a conversion that would get you into a complete RTR latemodel (including an eldora body!)for under 400 bucks....you can't buy a kit for under that then you need radio equipment and an engine on top of the kit price. I think its just going to take someone to shake this car down and find a setup for it and alot of people will have a very cheap in to racing dirt oval.

[ctsieber]

well get that car on the track and shake it down then ;)

I do think this is a great way for someone to get into dirt oval. Latemodels seem to be very stable and easier to driver then most other classes. And with these it actually looks like a dirt oval car, insted of starting out with a truck.

I anticipate there will be a huge decline in EDM and a large increase in late models. I have a feeling the late models will be larger than EDM and Sprints will still pull the largest crowd. I hope to see the late model class grow, especially with Chris at bumps and jumps playing around with a conversion that would get you into a complete RTR latemodel (including an eldora body!)for under 400 bucks....you can't buy a kit for under that then you need radio equipment and an engine on top of the kit price. I think its just going to take someone to shake this car down and find a setup for it and alot of people will have a very cheap in to racing dirt oval.

[thelandman]

I would have to agree that this will be a great class for dirt oval and will be very successful for the tour and all of the local tracks. I am currently putting together a late model to run this year. Not only for the small initial investment but the part breakage should go down with the body covering the car and the large bumper. Not that i break stuff.....

[ksj44]

The latemodels are definitly more durable, I have only broken one part since I have had my terminator out and it was an aluminum front stub axle in a t-bone hit. I've smacked the wall pretty hard and havent even bent it. It seems the body and the front bumper has take the most of the punishment.

Keith

[Devastator]

What designates an EDM from a Latemodel? Since this thread is in the PA Nitro Tour Section, I'm assuming you will be running "Street Trac" Style tires for the Tour. So, the tires being used will probably be the same for both classes, correct? The obvious difference is the bodies, but how is each one mounted? Both bodies will probably use the same rear "V" shaped carbon fiber mount, with possibly different height body posts. On an EDM, the front usually uses a small bumper mounted to the two holes at the front of the chassis with longer screws to use nylon nuts to hold the body on. A Latemodel still uses the same front chassis holes to mount a wide bumper with short body posts to mount it's body. The only other major difference I can think of is the shock/spring variations from chassis to chassis. Why not have two bodies, two rear body mounts, two front bumpers, two sets of shocks, and run both classes with one car? Are the cars this similar, or are they very different in chassis configuration?

[brockh]

What designates an EDM from a Latemodel? Since this thread is in the PA Nitro Tour Section, I'm assuming you will be running "Street Trac" Style tires for the Tour. So, the tires being used will probably be the same for both classes, correct? The obvious difference is the bodies, but how is each one mounted? Both bodies will probably use the same rear "V" shaped carbon fiber mount, with possibly different height body posts. On an EDM, the front usually uses a small bumper mounted to the two holes at the front of the chassis with longer screws to use nylon nuts to hold the body on. A Latemodel still uses the same front chassis holes to mount a wide bumper with short body posts to mount it's body. The only other major difference I can think of is the shock/spring variations from chassis to chassis. Why not have two bodies, two rear body mounts, two front bumpers, two sets of shocks, and run both classes with one car? Are the cars this similar, or are they very different in chassis configuration?
You are correct with most if not all of your post. Lets use the custom works car as an example.... the chassis is the same, the rear mounts you can run the longer body post and use them for both bodies, the front bumper is wider on the late model so that would have to be swapped out and usually there are body mounts on the bumper, and the mid mount body post can be arranged to be used with both bodies. So to answer your question YES you can run the same car with just changing the body and bumper. The cars will handle totally different so changing springs/shock posistion may be a big help! Tires are going to be the same for both classes. If you feel as if you are going to have enough time to make the changes you need to make by all means run the same car in both classes...and if you are going to do this let us know early in the day and we may be able to help you with the time factor by putting you in an early class and a later class so you will have the most amout of time possible inbetween to work on your vehicle.

[DaBearsNo13]

You are correct with most if not all of your post. Lets use the custom works car as an example.... the chassis is the same, the rear mounts you can run the longer body post and use them for both bodies, the front bumper is wider on the late model so that would have to be swapped out and usually there are body mounts on the bumper, and the mid mount body post can be arranged to be used with both bodies. So to answer your question YES you can run the same car with just changing the body and bumper. The cars will handle totally different so changing springs/shock posistion may be a big help! Tires are going to be the same for both classes. If you feel as if you are going to have enough time to make the changes you need to make by all means run the same car in both classes...and if you are going to do this let us know early in the day and we may be able to help you with the time factor by putting you in an early class and a later class so you will have the most amout of time possible inbetween to work on your vehicle.


I think that getting thru the heats is acheivable, but what happens when you get to the mains? Think about it, if you qualify for both A-mains, then what, thats a lot of scrambling around! :D

[rj14]

I think that getting thru the heats is acheivable, but what happens when you get to the mains? Think about it, if you qualify for both A-mains, then what, thats a lot of scrambling around! :D

If you are lucky, what about trying to run the alphabet, aka.. the "DeAngelis" method!:D

now then you would be scrambling!

[Devastator]

I'm going to do some more checking into the possibilities. If the race director at the selected Tour Tracks will work with me, like Brockh mentioned, I think it is workable. As for the mains, I've been scrambling around like a nut running single cars in multiple classes in electric for a long time. I think changing shocks, and body mounts would be easier than changing an electric motor, and battery. I would hope the race director could help me out with possibly placing maybe the Truck, or Sprint A-Main between the Latemodel, and EDM classes. Now if there are bump-ups involved, it may not be able to be done. If there are more people interested in trying this, there maybe more of an incentive to change the raceday program to accomidated them. If adjusting the program ends up being a big hassle, then I'll just run one class. Thanks for everyones input!

[Rcer19]

holy smokes, even in a LATE MODEL topic my name still comes up, LOL
thanks Keith, LOL
I really think i could win some races if i could qualify better

[thelandman]

I believe that racing a single class at a tour event would make for a more enjoyable afternoon of racing. I found it difficult to keep two cars maintained properly for a single event. I think putting emphasis on one class should make for better results in a given class. I'm not that familiar with electric racing but changing the motor and packs would not impact the handling characteristics of a car change when compared to changing from an edm to a late model body. Although someone at cooper's ran 3 classes with one car but you also have hours to make the changes. just my thoughts.

[crazynick]

I want to run in the nitro tour season w/ my GT converted, so I'm asuming you alow gt conversions in the edm and latemodel classes? What kind of changes do I have to make via , tire size , a-arm length, overall width? Please lmk so I can either get this one ready, or if I have to buy a chassis. I want to run edm or latemodel, I don't want to run truck class, need advice to be legal, thanks, Nick

[crazynick]

I want to run in the nitro tour season w/ my GT converted, so I'm asuming you alow gt conversions in the edm and latemodel classes? What kind of changes do I have to make via , tire size , a-arm length, overall width? Please lmk so I can either get this one ready, or if I have to buy a chassis. I want to run edm or latemodel, I don't want to run truck class, need advice to be legal, thanks, Nick

I also have rc10 a-arms and rc10 ds arms I need to know what width to be legal, i have all the kits to make somethin

[ctsieber]

I want to run in the nitro tour season w/ my GT converted, so I'm asuming you alow gt conversions in the edm and latemodel classes? What kind of changes do I have to make via , tire size , a-arm length, overall width? Please lmk so I can either get this one ready, or if I have to buy a chassis. I want to run edm or latemodel, I don't want to run truck class, need advice to be legal, thanks, Nick

http://www.dirtoval.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19356

[sprinter117]

Nick you have a PM

[Devastator]

There was a person running a Nitro Dual Sport as a buggy with pre-B2 RC-10 suspension in the nitro novice class at my local off-road track. The track doesn't have a buggy class, but he was able to run with the trucks in the novice class. If you had an old school GT with the aluminum tub with the bolt on style front suspension plate, you could just switch the plates to the RC-10 buggy to use it's front suspension. Then I would think you could use the basic Nitro Dual Sport rear suspension, but I would use the longer early RC-10 rear arms, and maybe carriers. I haven't seen the dual sport off-road car lately, so I'm not sure what components exactly were used. I'm not sure of the length of the wheel bases of the trucks and dual sports. You may want to get a nitro dual sport tub to use, because the truck tub may create too long of a wheel base. I'm not real familiar with the blue single plate chassis of the later GT's. You may be able to use all of the previously mentioned arm modifications on that chassis also. Go to the rules link that ctsieber posted to see what wheelbases and widths are allowed, and try out all of your arm configureations. I have may off-road people with GT's ask me about this conversion also, so please post back some specs/pictures if you come up with a solution?