Pro Car question

[JimmyD]

I am building a pro car and want to know what other CW parts are needed besides the tranny? I know 2 of the CW little blocks (#2224 I believe) I have the terminator front end parts already and the tranny and the GBX rear arms and arm mounts (0-2 degree).Just curious about the traany mounts and such... Any help would be appreciated

Thanks
JimmyD

[JimmyD]

huh nobody knows??? Todd Putnam can you help?:confused:

[wait a minute]

jimmy...i believe its the same as a custom works car on the rear end. if u look at one of those it should get u going in the right direction.

[Doug Carter]

You will need the entire CW GBX rear end, with the exception of the lower tranny mount plate, as the Pro car doesn't use that plate (#2220). You will need a second #2224 Top Plate Block to mount the rear shock mount to the bottom of the chassis.



Considering Todd is a one-man-band at Putnam Propulsion, you're going to have to give him a least more than 24 hours to respond to posts in this forum. Unlike me, Todd doesn't sit in front of a computer all day (luckeeeeee). ;)

[Todd Putnam]

Jimmy: Doug is correct. You need the complete GBX rear with the exception of:
-the rear graphite shock tower (we include an upgraded tower in the kit)
-the aluminum brace that goes beneath the trans and rear toe blocks (that is eliminated)

The only additional CW part needed is an additional #2224 aluminum bracket. This mounts connects the bottom of the rear shock tower to the chassis after the aluminum brace is eliminated.

Doug is also correct with regards to my response time. I'll get on here as often as I can, but it will be once a day at best. If it is ever urgent, don't hesitate to call me at the shop M-F, 9-5 EST. (518) 452-0422
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[RCRACR20]

I am building a pro car and want to know what other CW parts are needed besides the tranny? I know 2 of the CW little blocks (#2224 I believe) I have the terminator front end parts already and the tranny and the GBX rear arms and arm mounts (0-2 degree).Just curious about the traany mounts and such... Any help would be appreciated

Thanks
JimmyD

Jimmy, here are the part numbers you need for the rear end:

CUS/CSW 2224 GBX Top Plate Block x2
CUS/CSW 2227 Transmission Brace Spacer
CUS/CSW 1238 Graphite Transmission Brace
CUS/CSW 3241 Rear Hubs OR Putnam Delrin Rear Hubs
CUS/CSW 1004 Graphite Rear Body Mount
CUS/CSW 2218 Camber Link Stand Offs


Everything else should be pretty much standard parts. If you have any more questions, email me at matto29@yahoo.com or get ahold of at the shop (315) 532-6826


Matt

[JimmyD]

Thanks guys I am getting close and dont want to buy anything I dont need...
Thanks again
JimmyD:)

[Todd Putnam]

Matt: Thanks for listing the CW part #'s...that's a big help.

Jimmy: You'll need a set of CVD's as well. #CW 7210. Also, you'll need (4) 3/16 x 3/8 unflanged bearings, (for the rear axles) if you don't already have them.
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[JimmyD]

got em thanks again...

[JimmyD]

Do I need 2227 trans. brace spacer or is that the part that is eliminated???

[Doug Carter]

Jimmy, here are the part numbers you need for the rear end:

CUS/CSW 2224 GBX Top Plate Block x2
CUS/CSW 2227 Transmission Brace Spacer
CUS/CSW 1238 Graphite Transmission Brace
CUS/CSW 3241 Rear Hubs OR Putnam Delrin Rear HubsCUS/CSW 1004 Graphite Rear Body Mount
CUS/CSW 2218 Camber Link Stand Offs




:tire:

[RCRACR20]

Do I need 2227 trans. brace spacer or is that the part that is eliminated???


Jimmy, you need ALL the parts I listed.

[JimmyD]

OK thanks Matto.... I was just making sure that wasnt the block which was eliminated... Not used to all this custom works stuff... ;)
I will probably give you a call at the shop...
Thanks again guys
Happy Turkey Day
JimmyD

[Ridley]

Jimmy, when you get the car if you need any help at the track with it just lmk ok.

[JimmyD]

Thanks Kevin... I am getting close to having enough parts... I will let you know...:tire:

[RCRACR20]

OK thanks Matto.... I was just making sure that wasnt the block which was eliminated... Not used to all this custom works stuff... ;)
I will probably give you a call at the shop...
Thanks again guys
Happy Turkey Day
JimmyD

Ill be at the shop tomorrow from Noonish til 5ish, then at the dungeon til 9. We do not have a phone hooked up in fulton so if you need to get ahold of me, do so before 5. If you have any questions concerning setup, etc, dont hesitate to ask.

[Todd Putnam]

..Thanks guys for covering for me while I was MIA.
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[JohnBoy72]

can I get a guesstimate how much $$$ to put one of these cars together? I saw Dougs and I'm impressed...the LHS is running CW and I want to show them you don't have to follow the herd! Have a Cobra Nemisis and plan on running that a little while putting together a sprinter and EDM....

[Todd Putnam]

It depends if you have a GBX to convert or not. If you want to discuss it in detail, call me at the shop 9-5 EST M-F...
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[RCRACR20]

can I get a guesstimate how much $$$ to put one of these cars together? I saw Dougs and I'm impressed...the LHS is running CW and I want to show them you don't have to follow the herd! Have a Cobra Nemisis and plan on running that a little while putting together a sprinter and EDM....

Johnboy, to build one, and build it right...your looking at somewhere around $650-750 for a roller, give or take. Keep in mind....when I say build it right...I mean purchasing the best of everything. Also remember that with the exception of the pro car, which is a partial conversion for the CW GBX (partial meaning that you still need to purchase front end components), these cars are pieced together. If you have an old RC10 B2 or B3, then the conversion will cost you a bit less because you already have the transmission, bearings, cvds, and about half of the tierods.

[Doug Carter]

I just put together a relatively complete list of EVERY part used in building the Putnam Pro-Car that I raced last weekend.

I pulled the street prices off of my list, just for the sake of putting together a complete list for this car. The way I did it, the listed prices from many of their online sources totaled exactly $900 for a VERY complete roller minus servo, receiver, transponder, ESC and motor, but that takes into account parts and pieces that I already had in the toolbox and didn't need to buy for the car, like tires, shock springs, and stuff like that. You could probably do it cheaper, depending on the parts you decide to use (hint: buy stuff used), and you can definitely sink more cash into the car, using the new CW machined diff cases and things like that. You could knock off ~$150 off of my final price by using Associated TC shocks, standard diff balls, B3 rear arms, a used Stealth tranny and a few other places to cut corners safely. Then again, if you've "got a guy," you could get off for a lot less than that, too. ;)

Yes, it's sick cash for an electric car, but when you're done, you'll have one of the finest dirt oval cars ever conceived. If I may make a suggestion, though, DON'T EVER sit down and add up how much money you spent on any particular R/C car or hobby. It will definitely make your stomach ache. And whatever you do, don't let your wife see the spreadsheet. :o




Putnam Propulsion Parts:
Putnam Propulsion PRO-CAR, Chassis & Rear Shock Tower
Putnam Propulsion TER-FST Front Shock Tower
Putnam Propulsion TER-FSM Front Suspension Mount, Delrin Only

Custom Works Parts:
2224 GBX Top Plate Block (2)
2227 GBX Transmission Spacer Brace
1238 GBX Transmission Brace
3241 GX Series Rear Axle Carriers
7209 On-Center King Pin Kit
1004 Graphite Rear Body Mount
2218 GBX Camber Link Stand-Off
2214 Hex Spacer .250" for CRC/TC3 Shocks (2)
7208 Custom Works Rear Wheel Spacers .125" (2)
7204 Intimidator/Enforcer rear Axle Drive Pins (10)
7210 Custom Works CVD Kit for GBX
2225 Custom Works GBX Motor Mount Plate
2221 GBX Rear Tow Blocks, 0-2°
2226 Custom Works Spur Gear Eliminator
1488 Outlaw Springs, 8 Lbs. (front)
5213 Ball End for Top Link
4350 Complete B3 Stealth Transmission Kit w/bearings

Terminator Parts:
OHP/GoFast Terminator 20 Degree Nose Plate
OHP/GoFast Terminator Aluminum Front Arms
OHP/GoFast Terminator Delrin Bellcranks with Posts
OHP Terminator Titanium Turnbuckle Kit
OHP Terminator Titanium Hinge Pin Kit

Team Associated Parts:
ASC7221 Associated B3/T3 Front inline axles, aluminum (2)
ASC7212 Associated B3/T3 Front block carriers, 25° (2)
ASC7220 Associated B3/T3 Front steering blocks (2)
ASC1581 Associated buggy front shock spring set (4 pairs)
ASC7217 Associated shock rod ends, nylon
ASC6473 Associated shock bushings (4)
ASC6475 Associated shock spring cups & preload spacer

Team Losi Parts:
LOSA6001 Losi 3/16" Ball Studs with rod ends (10)
LOSA6015 Losi Super Duty Ball Cups, white (16)

Miscellaneous Parts:
Serpent RCC shocks:
- SER903164 Shock-set RCC, Front
- SER903165 Shock-set RCC, Rear
Kimbrough mini servo saver
PRS64104 PRS spur gear-104 Tooth, 64 Pitch
Dynotech 6/6 Nylon rear B2/B3/GBX rear arms
Carbide 5/64" thrust washer diff balls
Ceramic 3/32" diff balls
Body post kit (4)
Aluminum steering servo mounts
RC4LESS dirt oval front tires, pink (30-shore)
RC4LESS dirt oval rear tires, pink (30-shore)
CDKM006 Deluxe dirt modified body kit, .030
CDKM033 cdk front nose and bumper kit

+ various screws, nuts, washers, spacers, e-clips, lubes, oils, etc.



Total: approximately $900

[JohnBoy72]

Thanks guys...That's really what I needed to hear, the CW and AE parts...Like I said, just saw the chassis on there and didn't have a clue as to what to make it complete. Doug, you spoke the gospel truth, I try never to add up any of my stuff...now with that said, I'm going to have to take this thread and burn any shred of evidence, caught the wife looking at my "wishlist" on towerhobbies.:D

[RCRACR20]

I just put together a relatively complete list of EVERY part used in building the Putnam Pro-Car that I raced last weekend.

I pulled the street prices off of my list, just for the sake of putting together a complete list for this car. The way I did it, the listed prices from many of their online sources totaled exactly $900 for a VERY complete roller minus servo, receiver, transponder, ESC and motor, but that takes into account parts and pieces that I already had in the toolbox and didn't need to buy for the car, like tires, shock springs, and stuff like that. You could probably do it cheaper, depending on the parts you decide to use (hint: buy stuff used), and you can definitely sink more cash into the car, using the new CW machined diff cases and things like that. You could knock off ~$150 off of my final price by using Associated TC shocks, standard diff balls, B3 rear arms, a used Stealth tranny and a few other places to cut corners safely. Then again, if you've "got a guy," you could get off for a lot less than that, too. ;)

Yes, it's sick cash for an electric car, but when you're done, you'll have one of the finest dirt oval cars ever conceived. If I may make a suggestion, though, DON'T EVER sit down and add up how much money you spent on any particular R/C car or hobby. It will definitely make your stomach ache. And whatever you do, don't let your wife see the spreadsheet. :o




Putnam Propulsion Parts:
Putnam Propulsion PRO-CAR, Chassis & Rear Shock Tower
Putnam Propulsion TER-FST Front Shock Tower
Putnam Propulsion TER-FSM Front Suspension Mount, Delrin Only

Custom Works Parts:
2224 GBX Top Plate Block (2)
2227 GBX Transmission Spacer Brace
1238 GBX Transmission Brace
3241 GX Series Rear Axle Carriers
7209 On-Center King Pin Kit
1004 Graphite Rear Body Mount
2218 GBX Camber Link Stand-Off
2214 Hex Spacer .250" for CRC/TC3 Shocks (2)
7208 Custom Works Rear Wheel Spacers .125" (2)
7204 Intimidator/Enforcer rear Axle Drive Pins (10)
7210 Custom Works CVD Kit for GBX
2225 Custom Works GBX Motor Mount Plate
2221 GBX Rear Tow Blocks, 0-2°
2226 Custom Works Spur Gear Eliminator
1488 Outlaw Springs, 8 Lbs. (front)
5213 Ball End for Top Link
4350 Complete B3 Stealth Transmission Kit w/bearings

Terminator Parts:
OHP/GoFast Terminator 20 Degree Nose Plate
OHP/GoFast Terminator Aluminum Front Arms
OHP/GoFast Terminator Delrin Bellcranks with Posts
OHP Terminator Titanium Turnbuckle Kit
OHP Terminator Titanium Hinge Pin Kit

Team Associated Parts:
ASC7221 Associated B3/T3 Front inline axles, aluminum (2)
ASC7212 Associated B3/T3 Front block carriers, 25° (2)
ASC7220 Associated B3/T3 Front steering blocks (2)
ASC1581 Associated buggy front shock spring set (4 pairs)
ASC7217 Associated shock rod ends, nylon
ASC6473 Associated shock bushings (4)
ASC6475 Associated shock spring cups & preload spacer

Team Losi Parts:
LOSA6001 Losi 3/16" Ball Studs with rod ends (10)
LOSA6015 Losi Super Duty Ball Cups, white (16)

Miscellaneous Parts:
Serpent RCC shocks:
- SER903164 Shock-set RCC, Front
- SER903165 Shock-set RCC, Rear
Kimbrough mini servo saver
PRS64104 PRS spur gear-104 Tooth, 64 Pitch
Dynotech 6/6 Nylon rear B2/B3/GBX rear arms
Carbide 5/64" thrust washer diff balls
Ceramic 3/32" diff balls
Body post kit (4)
Aluminum steering servo mounts
RC4LESS dirt oval front tires, pink (30-shore)
RC4LESS dirt oval rear tires, pink (30-shore)
CDKM006 Deluxe dirt modified body kit, .030
CDKM033 cdk front nose and bumper kit

+ various screws, nuts, washers, spacers, e-clips, lubes, oils, etc.



Total: approximately $900








Doug, not that it does you any good now....but if you had gone through Redneck RC....you wouldve saved at least $150

[Doug Carter]

Those prices were street prices that were calculated to give a general idea of how much it would cost to build a car like that as a complete roller, not best sale price on every component. Some items like a complete B3 gearbox can be had far cheaper than the $95 retail price that CW gets for one. I didn't pay full price for a lot of items, and didn't need to buy a lot of it, but I also purchased most, if not all of the parts needed on my car from DirtOval.com advertisers and forum supporters. That's more important to me than the best deal, sometimes. RedneckRC doesn't advertise or support the forums here, so they aren't one of my first choices.


Though, I would be interested in knowing where their prices would have been lower on many of the items in that list. $150 from a $900 car is a big leap. Show me...

[RCRACR20]

Well, Shannon Pitcher recently put together a car...Ill try to see if I can find all the old invoices....granted, it was a Pro-Terminator, not a Pro-Car, and he had a few other choices in the lines of brand of parts used, but it was considerably cheaper.

As far as advertising on here.....shoot me an email at matto29@yahoo.com with all the info regarding that.....and a price.....

[JohnBoy72]

Shannon just needs to sell me his car...he don't need it.

[RCRACR20]

if he didnt have it, he wouldnt have a car to race


are you looking for a new car....or just a used terminator that can be converted to a pro-terminator, or ???

[JohnBoy72]

Leaving for Iraq in Jan so I'll be looking for one soon...going to start shopping like this summer...

[JohnBoy72]

Well just picked up a Kranzels Term today. Well let me be honest, the wife says "Stay off Ebay!" But I just got my buddy hooked on R/C and he's been ordering up trucks and stuff. So I worked a deal with him to pick it up for me and I'll give him my "allowance" every payday....Pretty sad but effective.