Eastern series tracks weekly Nitro truck rules

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While the edm and sprint rules are for the most part the same from track to track in their weekly series races. I would like to ask that the tracks in my area and DirtOval.com eastern series Newville, Wileys, Staubs, Bumpsadnjumps. Take a look at their weekly class rules for Stadium truck and find some common rules for spoiler and side dam size. Some tracks are at 1 inch some are at 2 inches. I would think it would benefit all the racers for the body and spoiler rules and all class rules in general be the same from track to track as it would be one less thing for us racers to have to worry about, making it much easier for us to race at more than one track during the week.

Rules as they are presently.

Wileys 2 1/2" Spoiler. Side Dams: 8" long, 2" above the roof line

Newville 1 inch spoiler. Side Dam 1 inch above the roof line

Staubs 2 inch spoiler. Side dam Max 1" above the roof line

Bumps and Jumps 2 inch Spoiler. Side air dam can be from the rear of the cab to the rear wing and may not be higher than 1" above the roof line. (Corrected after Chris brought it to my attention in the post below)

[bumps and jumps rc]

I am easily flexible as to the rules of any class, but they need to be enforced once they are made. The rules listed above are wrong – all oval rules are at the bottom of the page. They are 2” rear spoiler and the Side air dam can be from the rear of the cab to the rear wing and may not be higher than 1" above the roof line. A common set of rules would eliminate manufacturers like McAllister making an illegal body – which it is in its current form – with the rear spoiler to long. Also EDM rules are certainly not the same from track to track.

I honestly think that the DO community is in dire need of a sanctioning body. I have not yet had the time to devote and take the bull by the horns to try and set something up, but since this is now my livelihood, I guess I need to find the time. This organization in my opinion should be financed from a conglomeration of manufacturers. Any one out there listening??? I don’t mind spending the time to do the research and polls to find what is a common set of rules we can all use, but I really don’t want to spend the dollars required for the web site, mailings, etc. I also don't want to do it alone. I know roar is not backed by any manufacturer, which in my opinion is a mistake. People do not want to pay to join an organization, and having a sanctioning body with money coming from the manufacturers would eliminate the need for yearly fees from its members. I also think that there needs to be national and regional events that are structured – and perhaps have a qualifying system for the nationals, and perhaps a point series for each region – not that you would turn people away but maybe have the top 5 people from each class from each region with a reward at the nats – possibly a better placement for the heats – or something. Just my .02 any other thoughts?

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Sorry Chris I didn't scroll down far enough to see the side dam line :)

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I have not yet had the time to devote and take the bull by the horns to try and set something up, but since this is now my livelihood, I guess I need to find the time.

You know an RC Oval Magazine would be nice also hehehehe :)

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Im on vacation this week so while the wife is packing cloths I got bored and figured I would post all the oval class rules from the tracks above all in one place.

GAS TRUCK

Newville

1/10 scale Gas Truck
Body Any truck body - no van bodies
Wings None
Rear Spoiler 1 inch maximum
Tires Any type - no silicon or foam tires are permitted
Motor Any .12-.15 sized motor
Side Are Dam Side air dam can be from the rear of the cab to the rear bumper and may not be higher than 1 inch above the roof line
Wheel Base N/A
A-arms Long truck arms only

Wileys

2 Wheel Drive Truck Class

Engines:.12,.15,.18(must be a RTR w/factory.18 engine)

Fuel Tank: Any
Tires: Street style on drive wheels (rear)
Weight: Any weight used must be bolted on....NO Zip-Ties
Bodies: Truck bodies only (No Van bodies)
Wheels: Stock size
Spoilers Rear:2 1/2" from deck lexan only, no metal or plexiglas
Side Dams: 8" long, 2" above the roof line lexan only, no metal or plexiglas
Wheel base: Stock max 13" min 12"
Throttle return spring on engines is a must.
No metal bumpers

Bumps and Jumps

TRUCK

Body Any truck body
Weight 54 oz minimum
Rear Spoiler 2 inch maximum. The McAllister body is legal, but may not be modified.
Tires Tire must be rubber or foam and readily avaliable.
Motor Any .15 sized motor or smaller
Side Are Dam Side air dam can be from the rear of the cab to the rear wing and may not be higher than 1" above the roof line
Wheel Base N/A
A-arms Long truck arms only - this applies to electric vehicles also

Staubs

Gas Truck

Body Truck Style w/ fenders
Wheel Base (determined where outside of tires touch the surface of the track) 11.5" to 13"
Must use long truck A-arms
Minimum Weight 4.0 lbs.
Tires 2.2 rubber street tires
No mini pins or ribbed tires
Motor Any .12 - .15 sized motor
Side Damp Max 1" above the roof from the rear of the cab to the rear bumper in length
Rear Spoiler 2" Max height
Wings (roof) Not Allowed

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Sprint Cars

Newville

1/10 scale Gas Outlaw
Body Sprint/Outlaw body
Wings Right Side: 3.5" x 7.5", TopSurface: 6.0" x 6.0", Left Side: 4.5" x 7.5"
Rear Spoiler N/A
Tires Any type - no silicon or foam tires are permitted. Must be buggy tires on buggy rimes. One exception for rear is, you may stretch buggy tires over truck rims.
Motor Any .12-.15 sized motor
Side Are Dam N/A
Wheel Base Max Width: 11.0"
A-arms Any type but must conform to wheel base specs

Wileys

Sprint Cars - Outlaw Class
Engines: .12, .15, .18
Fuel tanks: Any
Tires: Street style on drive wheels (rear)
Weight: No added weight
Throttle return spring on engine is a must
Bodies: Sprint/Outlaw
Front Wing (Optional)
Wheel Base: Max. 11" width 13"
Front Bumper: "Foam" Mandatory

Bumps and Jumps

SPRINT

Body Sprint body must have scale appearing cage and nerf bars. 18" - maximum length. Exhaust headers must appear on both sides of car in engine location.
Wings Right Side: 3.25" x 7.0", Top Surface: 6.0" x 6.0", Left Side: 4.0" x 7.0", minimum height of leading edge is 5.5" from ground
Weight 50 oz minimum
Tires Tire must be rubber or foam and readily avaliable.
Motor Any .15 or smaller
Maximum front Bumper 4"
Wheel Base 9.0" Minimum 11.5" Maximum, 11.0" Max Width

Staubs

Body Sprint car style body with or without rollcage
Wheel Base (determined where outside of tires touch the surface of the track) Max width 11"
Minimum Weight 3.25 lbs.
Tires 2.0 to 2.2 rubber street tires
No mini pins or ribbed tires
Buggy tires can be stretched over truck rims for the rear tires.
Motor Any .12 - .15 sized motor
Side Damp None
Rear Spoiler None
Roof Wing Max lengths:
Top Surface: 6.0" x 6.0"
Right Side: 3.5" x 7.5"
Left Side: 4.5" x 7.5"

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EDM

Newville

1/10 scale Gas Modified
Body Any Eastern Dirt Modified Body: 22" max. lenght and min. roof height of 5.5"
Wings None
Rear Spoiler Max. 3.0" but can not exceed the rear of the body
Tires Any type - no silicon or foam tires are permitted. Must be buggy tires on buggy rimes. One exception for rear is, you may stretch buggy tires over truck rims.
Motor Any .12-.15 sized motor
Side Are Dam Can not be above the roof's highest point
Wheel Base Max Width: 10.5"
A-arms Any type but must conform to wheel base specs

Wileys

Eastern Dirt Modified (EDM)
Engines: .12, .15, .18
Fuel tanks: Any
Tires: Street style on drive wheels (rear)
Rear Spoiler: Max 3.0" but can not exceed the rear of the body
Side Air Dam: can not be above the roof's highest point
A-arms: Any type but must conform to wheel base specs

No metal bumpers, or exposed metal edges.
Wheel Base: Max Width: 10.5"

Wings: None
Throttle return spring on engine is a must
Bodies: Any Eastern Dirt Modified Body: 22" max. length and min. roof height of 5.5"

Bumps and Jumps

EDM

Body Any Eastern Dirt Modified Body: 22" max. length, min. roof height of 5.5", maximum height of 7.5". No front wings allowed
Weight 50 oz minimum
Rear Spoiler Max. 3.0" but can not exceed beyond the rear of the body
Tires Tire must be rubber or foam and readily avaliable.
Motor Any .15 or smaller
Side Air Dam Can not be above the roof's highest point. Maximum Side or Sail Panel length is 17" and no part of panel can extend in front of the front axle. No additional lips or flaps are allowed with the exception of a 1/4" bend at top
Wheel Base 9.0" Minimum 11.5" Maximum, 11.0" Max Width

Staubs

Gas EDMs
(East Coast Dirt Modifieds)

Body East Coast Dirt Modified Style
22" max length, 5.5" minimum and 8.5" maximum roof height
Wheel Base (determined where outside of tires touch the surface of the track) Max width 10.5"
Minimum Weight 3.25 lbs.
Tires 2.0 to 2.2 rubber street tires
No mini pins or ribbed tires
Buggy tires can be stretched over truck rims for the rear tires.
Motor Any .12 - .15 sized motor
Side Damp Max height cannot be above the highest point of the roof
Rear Spoiler 3" Max height or roof's highest point whichever is lowest.
Wings (roof) None.

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The following 2 classes are only ran at the tracks below to my knowlege. Both look to be fun classes.



Ive watched this class run and it looks to be very fun. When my gears show up for my monster truck Im going to give it a try.

Wileys

4 Wheel Drive Truck Class

Engines: .26 (No Larger)

Fuel Tank: Stock
Tires: Street style on drive wheels (all 4)
Wheels: MUST use monster truck size...40 series OK
Weight: No after market weight
Bodies: Truck bodies only (No Van bodies)
Side dam: 8" Long No more than 2" above roof
Throttle return spring on engines is a must

4 Wheel Drive Unlimited Truck Class
Engines: Up to .28
ALL OTHER RULES REFER TO NORMAL 4WD CLASS




I have a Latemodel body on a Touring Car for this class. Planning to run it from time to time during practice at diffrent tracks to get more intrest in a Latemodel class.
I would suggest a 200mm to 210mm max width latemodel body with a 2 inch rear spoiler limit. Left side dam of no longer than 8 inches and no higher than 2 inches. No wings.
Rubber tires only.

Bumps and Jumps

Touring Car - Any 1/10 scale 4wd touring car chassis

Body EDM (see EDM body rules) or Late model or truck bodies only
Wings None
Rear Spoiler None
Tires Tire must be rubber or foam and readily avaliable.
Motor Any .15 or smaller
Wheel Base not yet determined
Weight 52 oz minimum weight

[Dlan44]

Gee............isn't DODC a sanctioning body?

Don't they have rules????

ROAR rules DOES have manufacturer influence. Why do you think .12 on road touring now has open engines and 30mm wide wheels???? If not direct influence......influence through IFMAR. Where do you think the 52oz rule came from??? The Kyosho Ultima was 52oz........the RC10 (reigning World Champ)was 54oz. Rule changed......Kyosho won. Then came the RC10 Worlds Car.............the rest is history.

I think that if there is any NATIONAL baseline set for rules (other than the one we already have), they should come from a committe of Track Owners NATIONALLY (not regionally) without influence from Manufacturers ........or US. We all have our own hidden agendas. Track owners just want higher car counts, to make money, and SURVIVE.

[Dlan44]

BTW...............I scanned all the rules you posted......and you aren't too far apart. I would like to input one thing. I like running buggy tires. Either on buggy or truck wheels. I DON't like running Truck tires. Buggy tire choices, and car tread choices, are getting scarse. Think ahead. If your track tends to Blue Groove, and foams will work, make them an option. They are cheaper, and last longer. Outlawing foam all together is not a good idea. ............IMO.

[bumps and jumps rc]

No DODC is not a sanctioning body - I think it is meant more for a common place for people to discuss isues and ideas rather than a sanctioning body.

I didn't mean that the rules come from the manufacturers - only the capital.
I bet if you ask Ernie how much input he has into the rules for roar he would get a good laugh :) Roar has it's probelms that I thin could have been prevented if it would have been set up differently from the start.

[Dlan44]

Well...........from past experiences, he who puts up the coin will have the final say. Rules have to be equitable, and flexable. That is kinda like Jumbo Shrimp. What works in Ca. may not in Pa. Same for Il. Fl. and Tx. Any national rules base and/or sanctioning body will have to consider the majority of the tracks ALL ACROSS the country. If not.........then you have a Regional Organization. Just out of curiosity, didn't B&J just have a big DODC event? Maybe it was at another track, but I always thought Pa. was a strong DODC supporter? I will admit, I would like to see a few changes in the DODC rules. As a baseline, it is a start......a damn good one. Why scrap what is working? Just work to make it even better.

I personally am looking forward to the day we have a MAJOR event here in Texas. Hopefully a DODC one, and we get participation rom all over the country.......Ca to Pa. We are perfectly located to draw from both coasts so you guys can compete against each other on a 295' high bite indoor oval. That would even be a good time for ALL the major players to get together and discuss the future of Dirt Oval racing. A face to face discussion for all the parties involved (racers, track owners, and manufacturers) is ALWAYS better than a two dimentional internet chat.
Always remember.......50% of communication......is LISTENING!

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Personally as a racer I wouldnt care if they all went to the DODC rules or the Roar rules or if they all got together and just agreed on a set of their own rules for all the popular classes at all the local tracks here. That way its just pack up and head to one of the ovals. Not well what do I need to change before I go here? Or is this going to be legal there?

[Dlan44]

There are NO ROAR Nitro Dirt Oval Rules..........

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There are NO ROAR Nitro Dirt Oval Rules..........


ROAR section 8.9.9 Are the electric body rules

There is no EDM roar rules however.
I was just making the point that it dont matter whos rules long as they is the same across the board.

[bumps and jumps rc]

In my preivious post I called DODC a dictatorship - it was not directed at Craig directly or meant as a slam against the site. I thought it would be best to come on here and make a public apology as it was not intented to offend anyone. My point was that a body of people would be better at making rules together and to handle problems together instead of relying on one person to handle the work load, also it does take money to do it properly and I don't see any one person footing the bill. I think it would be a full time job for one person - and one that would be unrewarding at that.

[kipp]

In my preivious post I called DODC a dictatorship - it was not directed at Craig directly or meant as a slam against the site. I thought it would be best to come on here and make a public apology as it was not intented to offend anyone. My point was that a body of people would be better at making rules together and to handle problems together instead of relying on one person to handle the work load, also it does take money to do it properly and I don't see any one person footing the bill. I think it would be a full time job for one person - and one that would be unrewarding at that.

how can calling dirtoval.com a dictatorship not be meant to offend anyone??? i think if it wasn't for all of craigs effort dirt oval rc racing wouldn't be on such a strong comeback. he deserves a pat on the back not criticism. so you didn't get a race your first year. there is always next year.

i think running a sanctioning body like a "club" would be a mistake. i really doubt you could get all the racers to agree on anything. in my opinion a sanctioning body should be run with a iron fist. gather all the data and come up with a good strict set of rules for each class. i feel like electric classes should be stock and open mod. the 19 turn stuff in my opinion is just another form of stock racing. everyone knows that you have to spend a lot of money to be competitive in stock class and i believe 19 turn would be the same. a open mod class would be less expensive and a lot more fun. let the brushless run with the open mods. the class would be easy to tech because anything goes!!
as for nitro... i raced a .09 nitro pan car this past weekend and i gotta say, they have something there. the engines are 50 bucks. no modifications allowed. i cant help but wonder how those engines would work in a nitro sprint car as a novice or beginners class. they are extremely reliable and easy to tune. we raced 100 laps on a 325' track and still had feul in the tank at the end. they are fast enough to have good racing but yet slow enough for a rookie driver to control. what do you think craig??

[bumps and jumps rc]

Kipp - it had nothing to do with the past, I have put that long behind me. I am thankful for Craig's efforts - so let me say thank you Craig. Again it wasnt meant to slam - it was referring to a sanctioning body and a set of rules, of which I doubt that Craig wants the sole responsibility for, and one that I doubt most DO racers would want one person to lead. Perhaps I am wrong in my thinking, but thankfully we have this public forum to discuss ideas - it only becomes a problem when things are taken out of context and taken personally. In my opinion this is what DODC is good for - opinions thank god not everyone has the same one.

DODC is a dictatorship - it is one persons in charge, and if it were my site I would run things as a dictator too - its not a bad thing. It should be a dictatorship, he put the effort into creating the site and maintaining it. I however don't think that a sanctioning body should be anything more than a small government - one that should be made up of more than one person . Certainly not run like a club. I think you borrowed from my site - relating to me that means when you race at my place I listen to the racer and does what is best for everyone, not my personal interests. That would obviously not be good for a sanctioning body to have rules that change frequently (unless your nascar which is just good for keeping the world talking about you). Kipp I personally think you should be president of the organization - or do you think things should just be left alone. My comments were made to provoke thought and response. Everyone has an opinion why not everyone discuss it? If there is one thing about me that everyone that knows me is that I wear my feelings on my sleeve and I tell people exactly how I feel, for better or worse you all know how I feel.

[kipp]

i dont want the job!!! lol. i dont have enough experience and i have to much on my plate now. i think things are going pretty good the way they are for now. eventually as the hobby grows maybe someone will step up to the plate and start working on some ideas on how to make things better. until then i think throwing ideas around on this site is a positive thing. it is so easy to unintentionally offend people on the threads because people just see words on a screen and not the true emotion or intentions behind the words. i remember awhile back when jerry landgraft was posting on here and he had some good ideas. unfortunatly he was chased away by the bickering and fighting as a result of his pride. people took him the wrong way i think.

[Anson Malfaire]

It seems to me that a regional set of rules would be a good place to start. The above mentioned tracks could all run under one set of agreed upon rules. This could encourage the current promoters to work together on projects. What about a PA Nitro Sprint SpeedWeek, for one!?!? The big boys do it, why not R/C racers? I think everyones goal is to grow the hobby, just slightly different ideas on getting there and maybe a little bit of insecurity too. Noone wants anyone else to steal "their racers." When I think of a sanctioning body, though, I think of all the problems the full size racers have had in recent years. DIRT for example.

[Dlan44]

JOB..............how much does it pay??? I can be bought..... 8>)


When it comes to weekly club racing rules, a track owner can NOT afford to turn ANY racer away........unless he is a problem.

National rules, DODC ROAR or otherwise are just a boiler plate for the track owner to help group his racers into competetive classes. If car counts are low........some classes may be combined. If they are high........he can enforce stricter rules to segregate classes. Every track should have a Mod/Outlaw class for those guys that don't (or won't) have a car that exactly matches their rules. A good track owner will NEVER turn a racer away, and his weekly racing rules should be simple, easy to tech, and cost effective. Having a Nationally accepted rules base would be a boost to the hobby. The owners would have that boiler plate, and the racers that have national aspirations have a rules set to build cars to so we can race locally or nationally.

[bumps and jumps rc]

I love the speedweeks idea. Any other track owners get on here? I will do my part to get it going for next year.

One of the problems I see is exactly what you are saying. Someone from Texas probably won't have a DO legal car at a track on the east coast, however any offroad , pan, or touring car can go to any track and have virtually the same set of rules any where in the world. Would it be all that hard to all work with the same set of rules from coast to coast? or are we too late?

[AceRacing8]

Are we to late, hope not. It would be nice to have the same rules at ever track so it would be easier to get set not wounder if you got to change the side dam or the back spoiler. So I agree with Chris and anyone else lets make the rules all the same & with out spending extra money.:confused:

[Dlan44]

Texas has DO legal cars.........and you just might see one in Monee......8>)

[rm-rf]

Are we to late, hope not. It would be nice to have the same rules at ever track so it would be easier to get set not wounder if you got to change the side dam or the back spoiler. So I agree with Chris and anyone else lets make the rules all the same & with out spending extra money.:confused:


For me its a time thing. Between keeping all my stuff clean and running properly and the family and work the last thing I want to do is have to change spoilers and side dams when going from track to track. To me its something that can be solved easily by the tracks standardizing their oval rules.